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| Michael Vick defended by the NAACP
Posted: 8/25/2007 12:11:58 PM | Personally, I would never hunt unless for necessity for survival. I stopped dating a man with a big buck head trophy on his wall and will not date any man that kills for pleasure, even if they make good use of the meat.
Last night, I had a Portebella Burger for dinner and that worked for me.
I know plenty of people that kill for pleasure.
However, while I question the mentality of the persons that kill for pleasure, I do have to throw in this card for the deer hunting advocates. They are seriously overpopulated. Which is better...a mercy bullet to the head or slowly starving to death? | |
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| Michael Vick defended by the NAACP
Posted: 8/25/2007 12:34:09 PM | naacp! ha! pickin and choosin only the issues which will grab a headline! oh! bye the way,surprised we havnt heard fro the 2 reverends! well.they didnt jump on the newark executions,hmmmmm. they better keep their yappers shut on this one! not a matter of race,just plain ole human decency. hey did ya all know that aside from humans,dogs are the only other animal that can anticipate pain. 
throw the book at the SOB i say! | |
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| Michael Vick defended by the NAACP
Posted: 8/25/2007 12:38:56 PM | | This has thouraly (im a bit drunk be quiet lol)pissed me off. He should get same sentence as that for killin a human, after all life is life. Just because that life is not human doesnt mean you can take it. And as for the NAACP or whateverthefukitis trying to get the courts to allow him to play football??? Thats part of his life, TAKE THAT FROM HIM, also take 90% out of his bank account and give it to his local community..... ruin his life, at the end of the day he TOOK lives wether it be human or not....... | |
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| Michael Vick defended by the NAACP
Posted: 8/25/2007 1:01:41 PM | Will you please post the whole story next time, people! I feel like the NAACP's reason are valid and not irrational like some (some white guy) make it out to be. I assume the NAACP are out to defend any black man so they don't get lynched by an angry mob or made to look like the stereotypical evil black man that Americans will remember for the rest of their lives. I'm pretty sure the NAACP is there to make sure Vick is treated like any other man on trial and given a punishment like any other man regardless of race.
This doesn't even compare to what Imus said. What Imus said is worse! | |
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| Michael Vick defended by the NAACP
Posted: 8/25/2007 2:16:06 PM | Msg. 79.....Mr. Ivan..... You said to PLEASE POST THE WHOLE STORY. Okay!
Some are born into greatness, others fall into it or work hard to obtain it. Michael Vick was always a natural athlete, running circles around and through those who would get in his way. He drew national attention while playing at Virginia Tech and became one of the highest paid professional football players of all times when he hit the ground running for the Atlanta Falcons. The number “7” was not only on his jersey, but on millions of others sold around the world. Everyone wanted to be like “Mike.”
Number 7’s fall from greatness has more to do with his fumbles off the field than on. Vick initially proclaimed himself innocent when investigated by federal authorities for gambling on pit bull dog fights involving animals that he and his so-called friends raised and trained to maul and kill other dogs. He now, however, has seen the light and has agreed to plead guilty to these charges, but only after others involved in this criminal enterprise rolled over on their “friend” Vick.
“What’s the matter with Vick,” “what was he thinking,” some might ask, while others would protest that there was some sporting quality to raising dogs to kill other dogs while their human owners placed wagers on the action in the dog ring in front of them. Dogs that succeeded lived and were treated specially by their owners and trainers. Dogs that faltered were cut from Vick’s squad by Vick and others hanging them, drowning them, or slamming their bodies to the ground until they could no longer move, or breath. Mr. Ivan, a man who has admitted to doing these things does not deserve to be defended by the NAACP.
Why? Why with everything going for him did Vick turn to dog fighting with purses of about $1,500 for the winning dog’s owner, not even gas money for the wealthy Vick who had endorsements coming at him, with an initial $3 million signing bonus with Atlanta, followed by a $130 million, 10-year contract with the Falcons.
There is a sense of entitlement that some people are born with and others develop. They come to believe that they are above the law; that the laws are made for the ordinary citizen like you and I, but obviously not for them. Michael Vick probably believed that the laws concerning gambling and engaging in dog fights were not meant for him. Unfortunately for him, Vick and his dogs were found out. He and his dogs were bad news, made even more newsworthy when Vick lied to NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and the American public about his involvement in this sad saga. Considering Vick's actions, once again at the risk of being repetitive Mr. Ivan, he does not deserve to be defended by the NAACP.
Michael Vick was not brought down by racism, as the NAACP would have you believe. He was tackled hard, blown off the field by a sense of entitlement that others had bestowed on him and one that he readily accepted. Arrogance is a partner of entitlement, and Vick will now find himself standing before a federal judge who will know Vick’s history, how Vick lied to the world, and how he thought he could get away with lying to the criminal justice system.
As a result of what Vick has done he will not be playing in the Super Bowl. He will play in the sentencing bowl, one in which he may get penalized 12-18 months in prison. We may be witnessing a career so full of promise that was cut down in the mid field of his playing time due, perhaps because after having all the money, fame and fortune that the world had to offer, Vick needed another outlet for his time off the field, one that could win him $1,500 a dog fight. This is such a loss in so many ways, and such a lesson for others to learn, hopefully not the hard way that Michael Vick is learning it. Let us hope that Vick's sentencing befits his crime --- no more, and no less.
Incidentally, the NAACP does not have to defend Vick or appear in court to ascertain that he is treated fairly or to stop him from being lynched, as you ridiculously suggest. Thanks to money and a team of high-priced criminal lawyers, Vick will get a much lighter sentencing deal than you and I would for the same misdeeds. Neither will Vick be characertized as "an evil black man," as you state. He will be remembered as a superb athletic who threw away a brilliant career through arrogance and stupidity. | |
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| Michael Vick defended by the NAACP
Posted: 8/25/2007 3:18:01 PM | dgei, the reason you have not heard from the rev.Jackson is because he is proberly still to ashamed to come out after such strong support he had for the accuser, Crystal Gail Mangum ,in the duke lacrosse scandal. He proberly just wants to get the facts before making a fool of himself again.
This doesn't even compare to what Imus said. What Imus said is worse!
Mr.Ivan,are you saying you would rather be hung,beaten or drowned rather than be called a racial name? | |
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| Michael Vick defended by the NAACP
Posted: 8/25/2007 4:51:53 PM | Mr. Ivan.... This is a postscript to my Msg. 80, which responded to your Msg. 79. You claim Imus' racial slurs were/are worst than Vick's involvement with dogs.
Here are the facts; both men had contracts. Imus' contract was to be controversial and insulting, which he was. No one was spared when Ismus used his barbed tongue to hurl biting criticism/putdowns. He went after politicians, members of all religions, famous movie personalities, those in the music world, those in the sporting arena, the bright and the stupid, the guilty and the innocent, and on and on. Unfortunately, for him he went after an accomplished girls' sports team. The public was outraged and rightly so.
However, in reference to the above, Imus sued those who fired him and won. The reason he was awarded 20 million dollars was that Imus' contract stipulated that he was to be controversal. In other words, he was paid to insult everyone and anyone as a means of drawing big ratings, which he did. Big ratings translate into huge revenues through commercials.
On the other hand, Vick's contract was the opposite of Imus'. Vick was supposed to act in a dignified way and to be a role model so that people would want to come to see this guy who was not only a fantastic athletic on the football field, but also a great guy. Vick tainted/ruined his public image by engaging in the dog fighting/gambling/killing business. He broke his contract by his actions, and the Falcons suspended him. In opposition to Imus', Vick cannot sue, but the Falcons/NFL can and they are. Vick's suspension was not only over public outcry but by removing Vick from the Falcons' team, it gives the Falcons/NFL the legal recourse of suing Vick in hope of taking back part or all of the bonus money and the ten-year $130 million they awarded him in his contract. | |
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| Michael Vick defended by the NAACP
Posted: 8/25/2007 5:39:23 PM | ''This doesn't even compare to what Imus said. What Imus said is worse"
Imus comments were stupid and ignorant but not criminal.
See- this is just as IM saying- instead of arguing from the standpoint that justice is not equal and saying that spears, hilton, and lohan should get a real punishment, it becomes a- well my guy should get off because yours did or irrational statements comparing vick to Imus.
Vick -who pleaded GUILTY. He himself by his plea said Im guilty. The NAACP's resonse is essentially: shut up, no your not, you dont know what your talking about. | |
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| Michael Vick defended by the NAACP
Posted: 8/25/2007 5:48:06 PM | | hackalot I liked your answer. This is a most cruel inhumane thing to do to these poor dogs. I personally feel they can't do enough to punish this very mean spirited man, although I bet he doesn't really pay for his wrongdoing. | |
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| Michael Vick defended by the NAACP
Posted: 8/25/2007 6:42:25 PM | Ok so I have been reading and yes I read ALL the posts including that one guy who got a scholarship from the NAACP and all he could show for it was a lame a$$ comment....obviously he hasn't looked in the mirror to see a non-white person staring back. Anyways......
I don't profess to be a big lover of dogs and cats etc. but I do have serious issues with people who mistreat them. My philosphy is if you can cause a living innocent creature harm, what is to stop you from inflicting the same kind of harm on a human being next time?
It really boils my blood when I see pets in the cars outside in hot humid weather, just as badly as when I see people kicking or starving their pets. Animals are a responsibility and just like children they depend on us to take care of them and just like children they didn't ask to be brought home so if you are willing to lay down the cash to buy a pet or at the time have the heart to adopt one, then you are definitely responsible for it in every aspect.
If this man is responsible then he should not only go to jail but it should be a message to other people out there who are mistreating their animals. It is disgusting and appalling and animal cruelty needs to stop!
I am black and could care less is this man was black like me, white as snow or green like a freakin martian.....colour has nothing to do with crime. You do the crime, then your behind needs to do the time.
The whole issue of the NAACP standing up for him, well that's just their can of soup and the NAACP does not speak for all people of colour. That being said, it is natural for the group to want to defend one of their own I mean either way it's a catch 22. They defend him, they get backlash from society especially non-blacks and if they dont defend him they have the black community to deal with.
I say it's tough being in their shoe but the bottom line is if they are gonna lock him up, they better start locking up everyone they find guilty of the same crime! | |
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| Michael Vick defended by the NAACP
Posted: 8/26/2007 1:40:14 AM | I can only imagine the courts in this country must think if you let a rich black man commit any felony he wants regardless of the crime all black men can feel justified for their immoral behavior.
Thanks Ginger or Mary Anne for prefering Conquistadors, wouldn't want you to have the added confusion between being "Latina" but categorizing yourself as " Caucasian" in attempt to get what you want. No wonder the American educational system is in crisis! 
As for OJ, you and the rest of the world need to get over it. If that case did anything, it accurately reflected the chasm of bigotry and classism in the country. For many it earmarked the slippage of implied privilege, while triggering emotions of blind restitution in others.
But to get back on topic, Vick's actions were clearly deplorable. Vulf in post #38 was his normal scintillating self in explaination about the NAACP position, and OP, for your information, the organization with the "antiquated" name has a demonstrated and proven history of action that has benefited Americans of every ilk.
Admittedly, they are currently going through some transitory issues, but OP, you identify the essence of the problem in your polarized categorization. The NAACP is part of America, not just hyphenated history. When your following accepts and embraces this concept, only then, will our collective put us on the necessary path of national cohesion and global competiveness. | |
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| Michael Vick defended by the NAACP
Posted: 8/26/2007 4:22:59 AM | So I guess it's the police dog that's biased.....
That could be what happened. Friday night around midnight, I was awoke by a comotion outside. I looked out my window, Dogs of all breeds were dressed in KKK robes and in black panther cloths. Black labs were in panther cloths and siberian huskies were in KKK robes. Oh, yea, german shepherds were wearing swastikas They were all barking at each other until police dogs came to arrest them. All dogs were taken to the city pound. | |
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| Michael Vick defended by the NAACP
Posted: 8/26/2007 6:07:29 AM | If the person who had committed this crime was a non rich, non famous, non-black man who didn't have any organizations to stand up for him. Would you people still feel the same way?
I mean it seems like some people are all caught up with this man's money, his race and his status in life and who he has that can represent him. So the question stands. Had this been a white man, with no money, no celebrity status would you all feel just as strongly?
My answer would be yes, but I think some people are basing their arguments on all of the above rather than what happened. And what the hell does OJ Simpson and his murder trial have to do with this.......because they were both rich black men their cases should be compared?
The fact is, this man committed a crime and he shoul dgo to jail but like I said before if they are gonna lock him up, they better be lockin up all the non-celebrity people who abuse their animals too. Fair is fair, all else be damned! | |
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| Michael Vick defended by the NAACP
Posted: 8/26/2007 6:48:55 AM | Well the non-rich, non-famous, black or non-black man has consistantly recieved his fate from the justice system. Asside from the irrational position of the NAACP, its an issue of money.
As for the Vick case its too early to make the call on the justice sysyem, his sentance has not been handed out. But if its following the got-money-walk free theme (of which Hilton, Lohan, and Spears recently participated in) then of course people are going to have issue.As for the NAACP, they had more options than just supporting or not supporting Vick. The leadership could of said that they support justice, but wants to see all get fair justice such as the the Paris, Spears, Lohan train. This of course would be rational and still save face in the organization. | |
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| Michael Vick defended by the NAACP
Posted: 8/26/2007 7:19:26 AM |
If the person who had committed this crime was a non rich, non famous, non-black man who didn't have any organizations to stand up for him. Would you people still feel the same way?
What's your point? Rich ,poor,or middle class I do not care. What does he need some organization standing up for him for? Isn't he smart enough to hire a lawyer or law firm that's capable of knowing the law.
I think people or most do not understand we have a justice system, you break the law your on your own..He broke the law and truly went against morals.
Didn't he lie to his team,the team owner,the league,his family and to every fan he had or ever hopes to have? And is he still a role model if he ever was one? Not in my honest opinion he isn't and never will be.
Pete Rose did the same thing and I do feel he should still be in prison. PETE ROSE is not only a liar but insane because the guy had a great opportunity about three weeks ago to help some kids he was speaking to but he started his usual tirade and lying and spitting out words that the kids parents were angered over.
So,once a liar always a liar? Maybe Mr Vick can get a job while in prison petting Pit Bulls telling them how sorry he is for hanging several, then allowing them to buried on his property....
Yes,the police dog that exposed him is biased,it was one of his siblings that Mr Vick hanged.....
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| Michael Vick defended by the NAACP
Posted: 8/26/2007 7:51:51 AM | | Well, Vulfie, the facts of the case speak for themselves. Vick has accepted a plea. By his own admission he is guilty of murdering and torturing these dogs. This "representative" of the Atlanta chapter of the NAACP chose to make statements like "all the facts haven't come out," "the story is skewed," as well as objecting to the fact that he "MIGHT HAVE HARMED AN ANIMAL" etc. Perhaps you need to work on your comprehension and learn to read between the lines. Making an excuse for someone is a defense regardless of obligatory remarks like, "We do not condone the abuse of animals..." It is still looking at A) the race of a man and B) suggesting to the NFL that he shouldn't be suspended. My point here is that if Michael Vick was white do you think they'd be involved? The NAACP was infuriated over what Don Imus SAID and it pales in comparison to what Michael Vick DID. They chose to go after Imus and were a big reason why he lost his job. Given the same logic cited above, shouldn't Don Imus have been allowed to work too? However, this same organization and this particular individual who uses his position as a member of the NAACP is incapable of acknowledging Vick (a man who had everything) did this to himself by engaging in an illegal and barbaric activity would put his career in jeopardy. | |
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| Michael Vick defended by the NAACP
Posted: 8/26/2007 8:23:15 AM | TheGuest...maybe if you had read my previous post or really read and understand what I was saying you would get the point.
I could care less what color he is the fact is most people are basing their judegment on a few certain characteristics....ie: race, money, celebrity status etc.
What he did was deplorable that's not debatable I just want to know if the case would be getting this much attention had he not been famous...... | |
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| Michael Vick defended by the NAACP
Posted: 8/26/2007 8:51:13 AM | | NocturnalPrincess: Am not questining Barry Bonds homerun records becuse of his race. Remember when he was the Pittsburgh Pirates, Bonds did not have the build until after he was with the SF Giants. | |
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| Michael Vick defended by the NAACP
Posted: 8/26/2007 9:02:32 AM | | Hi Mikethewriter, I see your point. The NAACP seem to want the black people to get as light a sentence as possible, no matter how bad the crime, but want white people to pay highly for the simplest things. Brings up a question, does the NAACP want equal rights for blacks and whites or more rights for blacks. No need to answer that, the NAACP have answered that with their actions. | |
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| Michael Vick defended by the NAACP
Posted: 8/26/2007 9:30:13 AM | Mike the writer, first thing If Vick was white the NAACP wouldn't be involved ? no
Every time I read this thread I go away shaking my head, thinking wow I'm glad I live in Canada, I for one don't care about things like the NAACP, like every good thing in the beginning it ends up being corrupted, Affirmative action, civil rights, native rights, bill or rights, rights to bear arms the list goes on and on , where does it stop?
The NAACP as a whole from what I understand doesn't support Vick's action, just a small faction in the NAACP who thinks they are protecting Vick's right to earn a living, to me is a crock of shit, that whole Imus thing, who the f*ck cares what he thinks, thats his job stirring up controversy
Only in America ( this isnt a knock) where one ethnic/race can have their own Television network, B.E.T, Latin Network, Asian Network, Islam Network, Native Indian Network
United Negro College, American Islam college, Jewish Schools, where does it stop? equal my ass
Im willing to bet if a Caucasian fellow wanted to start Caucasian Entertainment Television, he would be branded a racist, or a Chinese guy wanted to start a network strictly dedicated to Chinese, would he be considered a racist? or would civil rights group be up in arms | |
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| Michael Vick defended by the NAACP
Posted: 8/26/2007 10:17:32 AM | We have to many mouths ivolvind in this SOB's action involved in this madness/////// Perhaps this year's Super Bowl half time spectial they should set a gold post,mid field surround the area with chain link fence, Drag the Foolish Falcon (Vic) butt ass naked and hang him up there. Fill the fenced in area with half strved pit bulls, and the lower him dow about an inch at a time! And this NASCAR crap they are defending about his right to make money...Damn isn't $1,500.000 enough !!!!!
Better back 0ff NASCER or ol Jr will be driving for Kool Aid #8 !!!!!!!!!!! That sould take care ao the blood lust into something really. To all you a*ss holes who suport this carazy crap.... I hope your caves have cable. | |
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