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Posted: 8/27/2007 1:14:31 PM | Who said there was an assessment? If the kid became a distraction, you remove the distraction. Simple. The teacher neither has the time nor the desire, at that exact moment, to engage to find out why L'il Johnny won't sit in his seat. To save the rest of the class she negates the distraction. People complain that the 'system' has gotten worse. Why is that? Did your teacher have a psychological probe when someone acted out in your class way back when? No, she dealt swift and deliberate actions. That is what is missing from today's class.......teachers have no real authority anymore they have a pseudo-authority that may be quashed at the drop of a hat; by principals, parents, trustees, PTA stay at home moms who think their kid is an angel. What happens? Disillusioned teachers. Whats the result? A whole class that suffers.
Give the schools control back.........that which works for suburban middle income school is not going to work for inner city school and vice versa..........different influences, different methodolgies, etc. Let teachers teach, let principals administer and let parents parent.........if one of the three can't do their job.......find the distraction and deal with it. | |
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| Third day of Kindergarten phone call
Posted: 8/27/2007 4:03:25 PM | ^^^the OP said there was an assesment made about her child after only 3 days. That there was also one sent home in his back pack.
Teachers have plenty of authority imo. It is one of a teaching role. They should displine but do so in a productive way not one that requires force.
Problem is too many teachers have a violent disciplinary role as well. 22 out of 50 states in the USA allow corporal punishment. 
Personally i am glad teachers in Canada do not have the contol they have in the US.
Look how much less violent Canada is compared to the US.
I am all for parents having the control in the schools. Let teachers teach. That's it. There recommendations for ADHD meds is a cheap way out for many of them facing some hard work. | |
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Posted: 8/27/2007 7:43:31 PM | Oi Vey!
You're killing me, East. What about the kids with whatever needs they may have & be suffering from? Don't they deserve to learn also?
He was assessed on the third day of school by his teacher. Read back. | |
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Posted: 8/27/2007 10:37:42 PM | East I am curious, if it was your son in question would you not try to find the answers that the op is trying to get? Your son or daughters teacher made an evaluation about your child after 3 days, would you just sit and say "yea ok you're right" or would you want to ensure they didn't jump the gun?
I am not denying that like everything else in the world, parents do have alot more pull in schools then they did ten yrs ago, just try to be in any schools shoes when it comes to taking a simple field trip and the paper work that now is involved at least here in Canada. Times have changed, there is no doubt about that, I see it every day, on both spectrums, however all anyone here is saying is like anything in life, whether its in school, a court room or between family members, make sure you have all the facts and can provide documentation or some sort of proof to what you're saying before you do, and even IF this teacher in question is right, there is something called professionalism and sensitivity when talking to parents about such issues. | |
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Posted: 8/27/2007 10:54:19 PM |
even IF this teacher in question is right, there is something called professionalism and sensitivity when talking to parents about such issues.
And the bottom line is this is a five year old kid in a completely different environment. And she scared him.
This is an individual story. How did it become a mass of talk of "lala land" and giant generalizations? Those of you that were fortunate enough to make it through school unscathed, count your blessings. | |
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Posted: 8/27/2007 11:42:34 PM |
This is an individual story. How did it become a mass of talk of "lala land" and giant generalizations? Those of you that were fortunate enough to make it through school unscathed, count your blessings.
Because sweatyheart hadn't read what we said properly about us backing the "good" teachers, because some others were making it seem as if all teachers are "bad". She then made a bit of a rude remark saying we must be in lalaland, that's how that started. So she thought we were backing the "bad" teachers and mentioned how "we didn't care" about this little boy. But anyways, I'm not here to do personal attacks on anyone. Let's just say that the majority of us (to my knowledge) were trying to keep it to the individual story. | |
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Posted: 8/28/2007 12:44:33 PM |
He was assessed on the third day of school by his teacher. Read back.
I checked his backpack today to find her assesment from the dr. She has made several judgements based on FOUR eight hour days of my son & his skills
Which is it 3 days or 4? First it was a Dr., now its the teacher.
And what about the kids that have NEVER been in preschool?
......what about them?.......are their parent's brain broken? They weren't asking your son for E=mc^2 before coming to class.......he needs to recognize letters......education doesn't start and end at the front door of the school.
He is stubborn & does better when given a choice in anything. Some kids learn outside the box better if given the chance.
Guess what the public school system is? A box. A cookie cutter. A generic collection of curriculum that a school board approves that they believe the majority children need to know. It is taught in a prescribed way best suited for the 'generic' syudent. If your son needs to be outside the box, there are other systems to accomodate this. Do not expect the system to bend to you. If you must use it, you must realize how to best utilize it.
East I am curious, if it was your son in question would you not try to find the answers that the op is trying to get?
It was my daughter in question (as stated previously) and I did do something about it. What I didn't do was fly off the handle and make wild accusations of incompetance and unfairness. (Not you OP but others in this thread) I went in calm cool and collected....assessed the situation....gathered all the info.....came up with my own assessment/gameplan.....worked with the school and produced a successful student. What I didn't do was throw up my hands blame a system and say "whatever shall I do?" I was in charge of my daughter's education from Day 1 and I knew exactly what to tweek in her curriculum and exactly what to tweek in her behaviour. Both were at fault and both needed fixing.
And the bottom line is this is a five year old kid in a completely different environment. And she scared him.
~20 other students were in a completely different environment too yet they didn't decide to disrupt the class........bottom line......the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
And just for the record;
She removed him from class, meeting the principal in the hallway. The principal sat him in the chair beside her, turned to move a box, & when she looked up, he was gone.
If that scared your son enough that you think he's scarred.......he's got more problems than not colouring a l'il man in class. | |
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Posted: 8/28/2007 1:46:37 PM | He was kicked out on day 3, given a on the spot assesment by the teacher, taken to a dr that eve. Day number 4, his assesment (given to me the previous day by the dr. & given to the teacher by me the morning of day 4) was returned in his backpack on day 4.
"If that scared your son enough that you think he's scarred.......he's got more problems than not colouring a l'il man in class. "
After yesterday's assesment, he was found to have ADHD & ODD. Therapies start immediately w/ the counselor @ school-3-5 times a week, group 1-2 times a week, & family sessions 1-2 a week as needed.
There won't be any medicine given until everything else is tweaked & tried. We're starting with an IEP to bend the system, then going into therapies, iq guided activities ...it will all be tried.
Thanks, all. I'm sorry it turned squishy & stressed in the thread also. I feel like each had the best intentions.
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Posted: 8/28/2007 1:52:54 PM | JuJuBee,
Since some doctors are a little quick to diagnose ADHD, have you gotten a second opinion? It never hurts, since if that isn't the problem, if treat for it and it doesn't resolve because you're treating the wrong problem, then you would be guaranteeing he would need to be on meds. There are things out there that can share several symptoms/ behavioral issues.
Just a check, before going down a long and difficult path.... | |
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Posted: 8/28/2007 2:32:54 PM | | I would get a seccon opinion. One days worth of assesment WON'T give you an accurate diagnosis. I know that for a fact, as it took mom a bit before I was diagnosed with ADHD and same for my bro. Imo, it just seems to quick for that sort of diagnosis. Do you have a Children's Hospital there? If you do, go there as they usually have got psychiatrists there. And chances are, they know what they're talking about as they deal with special needs all the time. There have been kids out there diagnosed with ADHD when they never even had it. Now, reading on ODD has gotten me understanding why they diagnosed him with ADHD too. Chances are it's the coexisting dissorder to it, but getting a seccond opinion won't hurt a thing. The ODD does fit in with what he's doing. I wish you luck and good strength that all will turn out good for your boy. It's not easy when special needs comes into play. | |
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Posted: 8/28/2007 2:38:48 PM | Holy cow, that is awfully fast to make a diagnosis of ADHD.
I would defintley get at least a second opinion. Meds should be a last resort. | |
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Posted: 8/28/2007 7:04:48 PM | | I am in complete agreement. Self research and 2nd opinions are in order. This kinda stuff will direct your son for the rest of his life.......if you love your son like I think you do.......do everything you can to get to the truth of this......... | |
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Posted: 8/28/2007 7:21:25 PM | | I'm awaiting a call back from another dr. in Children's Hospital that might be able to shed some light. I'm not sure I'm willing to lay down on this one quite yet. | |
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Posted: 8/28/2007 8:14:58 PM | Well sorry for yourproblems, I had a very long post but I really feel the child needs to learn to respect his elders, thats teachers,principles etc.
I really dont think you need a Dr or a prescription, the child needs some stern disipline.
But you probably think I am wrong and we both have opinions.
When I was in school I could and did get paddlings, and trust me if I got it at school for doing wrong I got it at home to.
Time outs and standing in a corner only work for minor infraction,,, like a fine for speeding, but if you get caught doing 160mph your gonna get jail time.
I really think the issue is how to punish the child to teach him rather than not teaching him.
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Posted: 8/28/2007 8:17:03 PM | That's good...You're one of the prime examples of a good parent. Won't just lay down on the first quick answer. I know there are parents out there who want a quick answer and when they get it, they go right for it. Then the troubles begin because the child wasn't rightly diagnosed.
Keep it up, and never forget this: Go with your gut instinct. Trust me it is the best thing you could ever do. A mother's gut instict is 99.9% correct. Had my mother not followed her gut instict when I was very young, I would've needed a kidney transplant. Not all drs know what they're talking about. Long story short, the one we delt with was so stupid, he couldn't figure out that I had a serious bladder infection and downright told my mom that I was lying to her. Above all things, that's all he could say, lying of all things.
You go for it girl. Your little boy will know he's got a good mother who doesn't settle for a quick answer. | |
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Posted: 8/28/2007 8:20:40 PM | | Monza, that's fine as you have your own opinion. But do a little research on ODD. I think that's a good diagnosis on that although that too is a little fast, as I looked it up to find out what it was. MANY disorders CAN cause this sort of behaviour to come out, and the child just can't control it no matter what the parent does. It's got to do with how the brain is wired. Sometimes things are just wired differently and it causes problems like this. You CAN'T jump on the conclusion that it's a parenting problem. Gosh a lot of people seem to blame parents right away from kid's behaviours. It's too much of a judgement to be made for that. Researching on disorders will help uncover the fact that it's not only parenting that causes "bad" "defiant" behaviours to come out. | |
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Posted: 9/3/2007 1:26:33 PM | Well folks a good lady friend of mine had had her daughter in school for what all of 2 weeks or so and so far they have shoved her into a slow learning class, sent her "file" over to a school approved psycoligist and such.
She was refered to a doctor and he wrote a scrip, without ever seeing the child.
So far the mother is now fighting to keep her out of school and she will continue to teach her at home till she is old enough to go to a higher grade in school.
Well the lady has gotten 3 warnings that the girl will get kicked out of school if she doesnt start behaving.
The girl was simply n the other room with piano practicing her bars, quietly
So this is the 5 yr old little girl who reads books to me when I am over, she can add ,subtract, multiply and divide.
She is VERY smart and not at all any trouble as I have baby sat for her.
so my friend has sent her to a Sylvan center and the therapist asked why she was there.
she said a 7 yr old didnt need kindergarten therapy.
Then she reread the girls profile.
She was astounded and told Katie(the girls mom) that she was well ahead of the other kids and was simply bored.
The school has thrown every road block they could at the mother to keep the child in the school to keep numbers up, in our opinion.
The child has been tested at another school and could get into either an advanced 1st grade or regular 2nd BUT she is too small and young .
The attorney has taken all info to a judge to have mother gain control over her daughters scolastic career.
Just take a breath and also a little work on helping your child in group situations might go a long way.
I am all for professional help too.
Good luck.
As for teacher having too much power or too little I feel the schools ability to report to other agencise and doctors and such without a modocum of parental input scares me.
UNLESS the child is being a bused at home.
As for children not having outside play time is rediculous. and all day kindergarten will compound a lot of these problems for some kids.
The state I live in has had some schools go to all year school and it is failing miserably.
Seems that some schools and teachers are lacking but I do stand behind all of the good ones.
Again I wish you luck and also talk to your child and let them know that bad behaviour will have negative results at home like no video games, or TV.
Dont get me wrong I dont believe a spanking is needed for everything but ruling it out as child abuse is absurd too.
anyway good luck and a few prayers will come your way too.
God Bless
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Posted: 12/7/2007 6:16:02 PM | So, the highly Educated Professionals, the teacher, b.Ed, whom is trained to recognise and diagnose behavioural; learning; physical, and cognitive disorders is then backed up by a Medical Doctor, M.D. and most of you, except the parent, still think the highly educated professionals are wrong?
Sounds to me that the child in question is NOT the only poor soul that is in need of assessment and treatment.
I also see that those that think that the highly educated professionals CORRECT diagnoses is STILL incorrect have their own personal issues and axes to grind with the Education System.
That said the USA is failing its students et al, as you fall below acceptaable OECD standards; the USA ranks 29th in the world, Canada number 3.
The US ranked 29th, behind countries like Croatia, the Czech Republic, and Liechtenstein, and ahead of just nine other OECD countries; out of 57.
This has nothing to do with teachers down South, but with the sheer lunacy of the neo-Cons Bushleague approach of No Child Left Behind, it is destroying the future of the USA's youth.
Yes I am a teacher with a dual degree bEd/b.Sc. working on a masters in Ed. Psych. | |
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