| Sex with minors
Posted: 2/18/2008 6:35:58 PM | | I think we should be fair all around and declare that nobody is allowed to have sex under any circumstance *LOL* | |
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| Sex with minors
Posted: 2/19/2008 7:03:15 AM | You see Christopher, now Im convinced you're just straw manning the thread to a comical degree, and since reading isnt something you appear not to do so often Im going to slow it down for you bub.
Who said anything about 42 year olds marrying 17 year olds? You're using extreme examples to muddy the discussion. first thing slick I was talking to Your loss Girly MSG 770 , but nice try though.
A 17 year old marrying a 23 year old isn't the same thing as a 17 year old marrying a 42 year old, either. gee really??? I wouldn't of guess that ?
Using "ask someone in law enforcement" as your backup isn't good enough. Illegal doesn't mean wrong. Laws are man-made, one-size-fits-all rules and often they don't fit every single individual's circumstances. again, wasn't talking to you but since you answered it YOU'RE WRONG, if its illegal it means its wrong bub.
The age statue doesn't make it legal for an adult to have sex with a minor. It's when the minor is legally allow to have sex at all...
In my area the age of consent is currently 14, with the government pushing legislation to increase it to 16. Does this mean I pursue 14 year olds? No. Do I think 20-somethings *should* be having sex with 14 year olds? No. I don't even approve of two consenting adults meeting in a bar and having sex the same night. That doesn't mean I'm going to demand that it be made illegal. you make no sense at all Young Jedi, re read the laws again but slowly this time. What does two consenting adults having sex one night have to do with sex with a minor?
16 and 21 will be acceptable, but 16 and 22 will not. who said 16 and 21 is acceptable, I know a lot parents who would allow their 16 years old to be with anyone over 19 years old. | |
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jf468
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Joined: 12/4/2007
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| Sex with minors
Posted: 2/19/2008 8:09:02 AM | I think pretty much every guy fantasizes about some attractive female teacher or other older woman in his teens.
A lot of my male friends in high school certainly had a crush on some much older women. A teacher, a neighbor, or in some cases a friend's mom!!. | |
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Posted: 2/19/2008 10:22:07 AM | I do not understand why everyone uses the "she is mature for her age" debate.
If it is maturity is a quality in a woman you seek, you would not be looking for underage girls in the first place.
Very redundant. | |
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Posted: 2/19/2008 10:26:32 AM | In response to jf468. Yeah I admit to having a crush on one of my teachers when I was in highschool. She had just finished college and it was her first teaching job. I asked her out several different times but alas no success. Oh well. | |
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| Sex with minors
Posted: 2/19/2008 10:29:23 AM | Go bang your head on a brick wall until you come to right answer.
Anyone who would even debate this issue, is not all there. 
Kids are kids, leave 'em alone and let them grow up without having a
stupid adult mess it up for them. | |
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Posted: 2/19/2008 1:38:02 PM | | i bet the pedophiles are licking their chops right now. this is a dangerous thread. very touchy subject. the young girls nowadays look older and dressing sexier than ever, but i'm n0t into teenagers. i like women with a mature mind with substance. teenagers can't hold a mature conversation. i get bored very easily, a woman has to have good mature conversation. | |
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| Sex with minors
Posted: 2/19/2008 2:58:50 PM |
again, wasn't talking to you but since you answered it YOU'RE WRONG, if its illegal it means its wrong bub.
No it does not. It was illegal in Taliban-ruled Afghanistan for a woman to show her wrist or ankle in public, but that doesn't make it wrong for her to do so.
The age statue doesn't make it legal for an adult to have sex with a minor. It's when the minor is legally allow to have sex at all.
This statement is simply wrong. I spelled out the laws of my jurisdiction for you. If they're too hard for you to comprehend then that's your problem, not mine.
re read the laws again but slowly this time.
You really need to take your own advice. It's obvious you haven't done the same. I spelled out the laws for you and you weren't able to understand them. Again, that's not my problem it's yours.
What does two consenting adults having sex one night have to do with sex with a minor?
They're both sex acts I don't personally approve of, but I am not about to support State intervention to stop it.
who said 16 and 21 is acceptable, I know a lot parents who would allow their 16 years old to be with anyone over 19 years old.
Who said? That would be the Conservative Party of Canada, based on the legislation they are currently pushing through in Parliament, but once again this was too difficult for you to understand. I'll simplify it for you:
OLD Age of Consent: 14 can legally have consensual sexual activity with anyone else over 14. B/c of urbanization, the new economy, higher education needs, womens' lib, and the internet, this is no longer an acceptable age of consent.
NEW Age of consent: 16, with a five-year allowable gap. Maximum age a 16 year old can LEGALLY have sexual contact with will be 21, max for a 17 year old will be 22. At age 18, consensual sexual activity with anyone over 16 will be LEGAL and acceptable under the eyes of the law.
Is that simple enough for you? I can dumb it down even further if you want. | |
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| Sex with minors
Posted: 2/19/2008 3:58:49 PM |
I'd like to ask what everyone thinks of the reverse situation; what first comes to mind for me are all the recent scandals involving female teachers with teen-aged students.
I can understand women disapproving strongly of such affairs, but I've been a bit surprised at the disapproving attitudes I've heard from some guys. After all, I think pretty much every guy fantasizes about some attractive female teacher or other older woman in his teens.
Okay, so what does everyone think?
of course it's every boy's fantasy, but that is exactly all it is, fantasy. a teenage boy isn't any more mature than a teenage girl. a female teacher molesting a boy is no different that the reverse. child molesting is child molesting, no ifs, ands or buts | |
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| Sex with minors
Posted: 2/19/2008 4:20:36 PM |
again, wasn't talking to you but since you answered it YOU'RE WRONG, if its illegal it means its wrong bub.
The age statue doesn't make it legal for an adult to have sex with a minor. It's when the minor is legally allow to have sex at all...
THAT is the irrefutable reality. teenagers don't have any right to have sex with teenagers, much less adults
you have to be pretty dense to not be able to comprehend the simple fact that when something is wrong it's illegal, and vice versa | |
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| Sex with minors
Posted: 2/19/2008 11:15:08 PM |
THAT is the irrefutable reality. teenagers don't have any right to have sex with teenagers.
They don't have the RIGHT? Are you kidding me? | |
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Posted: 2/19/2008 11:20:12 PM |
good lord Skippy are you serious?
Yes I am.
You stated that if something is illegal, that makes it wrong.
So if the Christian Heritage Party took office and legislated Mormonism illegal, then being a Mormon would be wrong? You would agree with this?
If the NDP took office and legislated all employment be unionized. Not working for a union would be illegal, therefore it would be wrong?
The long-gun registry is a horrendous waste of tax dollars and does nothing to reduce crime. So refusing to register one's guns? That would be "wrong"?
You'd approve of the government monitoring your phone calls, even if you aren't under suspicion for a crime? You'd be fine with this? If it were legalized, that makes it right?
Right and wrong are not subject to the whims of a hundred and some-odd MP's in a Parliamentary chamber.
Laws are meant to reflect right and wrong. Sometimes legislators get it right, sometimes they get it wrong. | |
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Posted: 2/19/2008 11:36:50 PM | Sadly at 17 she is not a child......and you say the post said he had a crush on her...a crush is different from SEX....!!!!
at 17 if she hasn't been intimate with a Man/boy she is one of the few who haven't...
Your Daughter is 16.....trust me I am sure she would have already "Thought" about it..wether she has actually done anything about it only she knows.....
What age is acceptable for sex..??? nowadays anywhere after 14 years seems to be acceptable......Moral codes have changed.......maybe the 17 year old was an intelligent equal to the 25 year old.........all situations have there own agenda...... is 17 and 25 any different from 27 and 35....how can you put an age criteria on this......
The only consolation you have with your daughter is......if you have brought her up to respect herself then hopefully she will wait until she finds the man she loves.....but again trust me...she will do it..when she is ready ..irrespective of what you or anyone thinks......and AGE will have nothing to do with it.... | |
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Posted: 2/20/2008 9:13:50 AM | Good lord Christopher, why are you now discussing suppositions? So if the Harper Government makes into law that People who claims they've seen Elvis after 2007 is illegal for discussing it, should that be wrong too?
Lets stick to the topic in hand, I believe adults having sex with minors is wrong, I already stated way back in this thread why ( my opinion) and you have your opinion
end of story. | |
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Posted: 2/20/2008 10:37:36 AM | Sex with a minor while being an adult in our day and age = stupidity. The laws are against it. Laws prohibit it. Get busted doing it and you will (in the USA) get a rap sheet that will never ever go away even if you do it one, single , time. You will do time...you will have to do programs especially put together for sex offenders to deprogram your type of thinking. Once out you have to register as a sex offender. Don't register as a sex offender and you can be put back in jail. In some areas you have to tell your boss what you have been branded as and in other areas you have to notify this info to anyone you are renting from so they can alert the neighborhood.
Of Chris93 his point I believe is one that many are making in comparison to how things were and how they are and how it was ok then but not ok now or it was not ok then but it is now.
Young old relationships have existed prior to our time since humans came into being. A variety of factors allowed the practice in varying centuries to be acceptable and not so acceptable. Economic factors played a heavy role in young-old relationships. Ever watch Fiddler On The RooF? A prime example of familys marrying off young to wealthy old for an economic advantage. That was a way of life through out most cultures on this planet.
We can go back as early as the 50's when it was still acceptable for a guy 20 or older to call on a girl of 14 or older for marriage or to hook up with one and go do their thing.
Some real research has been done on this issue. One of the logical conclusions for why we see these relationships as unacceptable in our time is that we have became an era of laws. Many many times in our day and age it is not about a society coming together and finding a problem within itself and then deciding to pass a law to allow or forbid as it once was done. Many laws now have been passed not because a certain thing was harmful or injuring to the populace at large but because that thing had injured or harmed a small percentage and someone decided a law should be passed to keep everyone safe. Like mandatory seat belt laws. Drinking laws. Smoking laws, etc.
Were an age of abstracts. There are tv commercials sponsored by state and federal goverment projects teaching young guys of the 18 to 21 bracket that sex with a girl of 15 or 16 will get you into jail. Yet the same goverments do nothing about the media that shows in movies and tv shows that young/old relationships are quite all right! That it is perfectly normal for the highschool girl to have a crush on a teacher...college guy...etc. We want to teach our youth who are minors that sex between themselves is wrong and they are not ready for it. Yet shows like the Simpsons and other shows and movies perpetuate young to young relationships and glorify how great they are to be involved in.
It's against the law to kill a human. Yet if you want to go that way all you have to do is become a military person or cop of some kind and society has given you the legal right to kill anyone you deem worthy of killing in a legal setting. Yet if your an average Joe or Jane and you kill someone in self defense....you will go to jail. You will see a court room setting. You will have to so prove you had no other option to take their life. Even if it ment you taking a severe beating sending you to the hospital.
Our country allows drinking in homes and bars. In Texas if a cop comes in a bar and finds you drunk you can be tossed in jail for public drunkedness!
There is no one solution for any of this mess.
But concerning minors....their are so many people 18 and older to have a relationship with that you should never have to even consider crossing that line. | |
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| Sex with minors
Posted: 2/20/2008 1:40:21 PM |
Chris, "captain defender of the right of underage girls to have sex everywhere"
If an underage girl had sex with someone her own age, you would throw her in prison?
People have a right to have sex in a healthy, mutually-beneficient context. The latest bill in parliament lays out reasonable restrictions on sexual interaction between young people.
Just how far do you want Big Brother to interfere in our lives? | |
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custis
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Joined: 3/16/2005
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| Sex with minors
Posted: 2/20/2008 2:37:47 PM | There are plenty of adult women out there and the guy needs to just get over it and pick someone older before he gets his ass in trouble. Or, if the girl feels the same way about him, they need to just be patient until she is 18 in a few more months. In any case, if they do anything about it before she is 18, he will be sent to Sing Sing and she will have to spend the next several years thinking about what all the hardened criminals in Sing Sing are doing to her beloved.
I keep thinking about all these 12 or 13 yr old schoolboys who get "molested" by their gorgeous young blonde teachers. Lucky little bas-tards. Where were these hot teachers when I was in elementary school? I think I got ripped off. | |
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Posted: 2/20/2008 7:37:13 PM | | my older son (20) was talking to me on the phone tonite. he and his girlfriend (19) of 4 years broke up about a month ago. he told me about this girl that he knows (19) has the hots for him and has been trying to grab his attention since he was with his girlfriend. she also has a friend that's (17) that's also very interested in my son and my son is interested in her. he asked me a question with regards to the age and statutory rape and what the age is? i told him that as long as if and when you do have sex that it's consensual. i told him that even though she is 17 she's still not a child and knows how to speak up accordingly. i told him that the age is anyone under the age of 18 even though teenagers are all experimenting things. i told him that it's best not to just have sex especially unprotected and to wait until the time is right and he's with that special person. i told him that i know that he's not going to listen to me and do what he wants to do (he doesn't live with me) but i want him to do what's right. i told him that it's not cool to just have sex because he has the itch to get laid, that's what the palm is for. if my son was more than 4 years older than her then i would tell him to back off because of the age difference with the statutory laws here in pa. ie. if the boy is 16 and the girl is 12-15 then that would be considered as statutory rape, since kids these days are experimenting sex in their teens they have a set age for 18. | |
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| Sex with minors
Posted: 2/21/2008 1:26:08 AM |
a 16 year old boy can be prosecuted for unlawful intercourse with a 16 year old girl just as well as a twenty year old boy. that's REALITY lad.
This reality of yours is abuse of State power. Nothing less.
Just for interest's sake, what does the 16 year-old girl get charged with?
Does California law assume that boys are the only ones who initiate sexual activity, or should be held responsible for their "criminal" actions?
A great love story called 'Juno' is currently in theaters, a story about two best friends who have sex at 16, resulting in pregnancy.
California law would take this healthy sexual interaction, albeit having led to some real-life challenge and hardship, arbitrarily turn those two innocent teens into criminals and throw them at the mercy of a criminal justice system.
Not only is this none of the criminal justice system's business, but to any reasonable human being this persecution is obviously and undeniably, morally wrong.
What two teenagers do together with their own bodies is absolutely none of the State's concern. America's criminal justice system is overtaxed as it is. Creating laws to persecute innocent, moral human beings (such as two teenagers engaged in consensual sexual activity) is not the answer to society's problems.
just for kicks, read California penal code starting with section 261.
I don't live in Cali and I don't plan on going there any time soon.
Why don't you read the penal code of New Zealand? South Africa? Tunisia? Nunavut? You know, just for kicks.  | |
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| Sex with minors
Posted: 2/21/2008 7:53:20 AM | | im 20 and a girl who use to liveby me is 16 soon to be 17 she likes me.. , i see what your saying but im not sure under 18 migth lead to problems... and if in your case a 25 year old man with at 17 year old girl.. it depends on how fast she matures, what if it was reversed and teh man was 17 and the ladie was 25? how would you feel about it then? | |
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Posted: 2/21/2008 8:20:51 AM | | If one is of age and one is considered to be a minor, under 18, you are putting yourself in a position to have problems. OK the 21 yr old man dates the 16-17yr old it's all good and consenting, then lets say he breaks up with her. Now what if she cries about it for revenge or her parent found out and decide to press charges as she is still a minor!! | |
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Posted: 2/21/2008 9:11:48 AM | I met my husband when I was 17 and he was 22. I guess by a lot of the laws, it would have been illegal. I never dated men my age-I always went for the older ones - 4-5 yrs older-they seemed more mature and more in sinc with me. Lucky for me my Dad really liked him. My Dad was a career Navy man and worked around many 18-20 yr olds. He knew exactly what men young men were looking for.
Maybe the difference was the fact that the husband wasn't just looking for a notch on his belt...or maybe he was and he just fell in love. Either way it worked for us for 23 yrs till he died.
Personally, I think 14 yrs old is way too young to be having sex. Children are not as mentally mature now as young teens as they were 30+ yrs ago. Now that my sons are 14, I should probably read up on our state's laws regarding underage sex.
One of the more well known female teachers (back in the 80's) - Pamela Smart - was from NH. It sickened me to think she used those young teens to murder her husband and coerced them by having sex with them. Even without the murder, it was still wrong to have a person in authority misuse that same authority by having sex with minors. JMHO
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| Sex with minors
Posted: 2/21/2008 10:05:22 AM | | Unacceptable, especially in this country. | |
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custis
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Joined: 3/16/2005
Msg: 799 | |
| Sex with minors
Posted: 2/21/2008 10:21:13 AM | | I wanted sex when I was seven. I was just not smart enough to figure out how to get it until I was fifteen. | |
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Posted: 2/21/2008 11:40:14 AM | | ok here goes,,,,i was 34 when i met my now ex, who was 17.NO i didnt go looking for a 17 year old ,i just fell for her .Now we are split after 7 years together and two beautifull children.I still love her but she dont love me. i often think it was the age,, so on reflection maybe we shouldnt have got together? but then i wouldnt have my 2 lovely children..the moral off this story is..it work both ways,she was in the end old enough to hurt me | |
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