| Older women should be treated like the goddesses they are
Posted: 1/2/2008 6:12:22 AM | Sorry susu to be straying of topic here a bit...
I find older women to be very appealing. I have been with a couple that were 15-20 years older than I, and they were wonderful experiences that I'll never regret. In fact, one of them I was seeing , I couldn't hope to keep up with her; she was a real firecracker. Still absolutely gorgeous at 47, as many of you still are.
My young male friends, experience is a good thing. Trust me on this.
Though it's not really what I'm looking to do ultimately (LTR), I certainly wouldn't mind spending some time with an older woman again. The profound wisdom they can share has already helped me out in how I lead my life. And I've found the pillow talk wisdom these lovely women have afforded me is so much better than the nuggets you garner when talking in a normal setting. (did that make sense to anyone?)
I'd certainly be interested in susu's idea. I fear though that I'm hitting that cusp where I'm no longer the "younger guy". Have I grown too old to fit that bill? Ladies? | |
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larhz
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| Older women should be treated like the goddesses they are
Posted: 1/2/2008 3:16:17 PM | | when reading the forum posts in nearly all of the sections that i've come across. I have a hard time believing the bs that people put up in response to some of the questions. I just don't see the need to be fake. Is it too hard for people to just be themselves. Like guys pretending to be that overly sensitive and saying everything exactly right. I realize that is what the internet allows people is the ability to be whoever and whatever they can think of. I know i'm ranting but just irritated with it. And in closing i know this isn't just limited to the guys. But to all of you out there that are being true to yourselves, preach on... | |
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Posted: 1/2/2008 6:26:26 PM | larhz - was that directed at me? So you know me?
I just take offense to being considered a fake/liar. I post what I feel and make no apologies for doing so. Feel free to check my other posts. 100% genuine me.
Apologies my friend if I misunderstood you there. | |
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Posted: 1/5/2008 9:44:27 AM | I, myself, would be rather interested in a site like that. Even at the age of 28, I find most women lacking hard in maturity, which is what pushes me towards older women.
I believe the term "cougar" is defined as older women simply looking for casual sex with younger men, and not anything real. Which I can see why it would be insulting.
In any case, if something comes about, let us know. | |
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Posted: 1/6/2008 7:50:22 AM | Yes there is a site www.cougarspice.com, this site is looking to get events started, such as meet and greets, cruises, exclusive parties, etc..
it's free to join.
They are also offering A free 7 day membership for the next 50 people who want to try it out, just register and post a picture.
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Posted: 1/6/2008 8:00:07 AM | I have checked out this site, and they are a good one. I have met alot of beautiful down to earth woman. the forums are great and they have where you can upload video, and chat.
I'm telling everyone I know. | |
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Posted: 1/7/2008 6:20:59 PM |
Although I will agree that "cougar" is sort of a strange term... (and very illogical, as cougars are not "old cats" but simply a different *kind* of cat)..
Cougars are very aggressive animals. That's the analogy. Older women tend to know exactly what they want, have a clue how to get it, have a better sense of time urgency, and aren't appolgetic about how they do it.
I disagree with the sentiment that 'cougars' are preditary and ONLY want one thing from a man. The portrayal of that in the media is unfortunate, and isn't how it's ever been used around me growing up on the east coast. Namely it was always used in the context that a 20 something and a 40 something put in the same social situation would behave completely different. i.e. When faced with a guy they like, the 20 something would tend to be 'flaky', coy, non-commital and the 40 something would go for it, within the bounds of being appropriate.
MILF I just tend to find insulting to the woman, and demeaning.
I still have very fond memories of a late 30 something that took a shine to me when I was 19. I was under no illusions that I was anything other than 'eye candy' for her at social functions. God bless her though, that woman educated me more about how to be a man than anyone ever has. | |
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Posted: 1/21/2008 1:53:59 PM | 1) I have never had to get along with someones birth certificate.
2) Most older women don't need a man for money due to successful careers etc.
so there is more room for intellectual and emotional intimacy and less financial
strain on the relationship (More common ground)
3) Women don't age at the same rate as men making the REAL gap much smaller.
Men age quick, women slower per decade.
4) Fertility is extended and there is always adoption. People have sometimes
already had children.
5) There is already considerable data on the subject. The most common age
differences are 9-14 years younger (much to my shock, YEAH Demi Moore) an
the most successful marriages of all time are where the man is 7 years younger.
Most women married to a man 10 years yournger are probably going to out live
or live to take care of the guy. (Reality)
6) 80-90% of communication is non verbal and if I can believe my classmates
my maturity and the way I now carry myself due to my lif experience makes
me "smoking" compared to when I was younger.
7) I have opened up and I can have friends of any age. Aristotle Onassiss's only
son had a lifelong love for a woman 16 years his senior and had his father not
forbidden it he have been a grandfather before his son died in an airplane crash.
8) I aggree "Cougar" is not a complimentary term. No one says a thing about a
MUCH older man and aVERY young woman. | |
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Posted: 1/21/2008 3:17:36 PM |
5) There is already considerable data on the subject. The most common age
differences are 9-14 years younger (much to my shock, YEAH Demi Moore) an
the most successful marriages of all time are where the man is 7 years younger.
I've seen this firsthand. My mother is 9 years older than my step-father. It's been working out very well for them for a very long time.
No one says a thing about a
MUCH older man and aVERY young woman. I will disagree with this. Usually the man is referred to as a perv or cradle-robber, and the woman a gold-digger. The insults against the man are sometimes pretend-polite "what, you can't handle mature women?" "mid-life crisis much?" but usually not. The difference is that it is quite a lot more common, and more public, when it is an older man. But people do say a lot about it, and very rarely anything good.
What I think is funny is how often men complain that they get called cradle-robbers or pedophiles, and women complain that it is supposedly ok for men to date younger women. There's a huge amount of "the grass is greener on the other side" in regard to this subject. | |
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Posted: 1/22/2008 11:05:55 PM |  I am laughting so hard at your post --seattle artist. what a bunch of prejudicial statements. give me a break. I get young guys from 19 on up asking me out constantly. I prefer men my age. You are making a lot of assumptions and i am mystified as to why. Older men go after younger women all the time. If older women prefer dating younger guys -- who cares. You forget many older woman are grandmothers and are currently raising children regardless of whether they have given birth to them. I love children and although i cant bear them i still have VALUE in this society. I would love to meet a man with children. Stop making assumtions about older people--- your gonna be one eventually.  | |
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Posted: 2/3/2008 2:35:32 AM | Oh I have always loved the mature woman, strong and confident. They know how to walk
in high heels, how to dress sexy and yet still be modest. Their voice, filled with confidence
and passion. Someone that you can have a real conversation with on a platitude of levels. | |
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Posted: 2/3/2008 9:06:26 PM | Seattleartist said:[As women get older, their beauty tends to fade]
I am going to digress, but I am puzzled by this statement. I studied art, and spent long hours painting and drawing nude models, males, females, of every age, race, condition and degree of physical fitness. What I discovered is there is beauty in all humanity at any age.
The hourglass figure in women, and the almost prenubile image used for marketing purposes simply is unatural and makes people unhappy, because 99.99% of the female population doesn't have genes like those of a body a top model at any age.
Our American "youth cult" and the obsession for "seeming younger" is sometimes considered strange and even degenerate in other cultures.
That much said, I do believe that there can be mutually satisfying relationships with some older women and younger men. All relationship have challenges, but many posters have pointed out that women do tend to outlive men and take better care of their health.
The knowledge, poise and the gung-ho of a mature female that knows what she want and is self confident enough to get it can be very attractive to some younger men. | |
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Posted: 2/3/2008 11:54:59 PM |
The hourglass figure in women, and the almost prenubile image used for marketing purposes simply is unatural and makes people unhappy, because 99.99% of the female population doesn't have genes like those of a body a top model at any age. I'm not sure that you know what you're saying.
Prenubile = too young to have children. I believe that you meant either "adolescent" or "nubile". Unless you're talking about Kate Moss in her first few photo shoots. 
The image can't be unnatural unless you're proposing that all models have had plastic surgery to look the way they do. Most of them really do just look that way. Rare is not unnatural. But even so, your premise lacks logical backing. Do you propose that we stop respecting Rembrandt and Michelangello because 99.99% of artists lack the skill the equal their work? Or Shakespeare, Chaucer, and Milton because 99.99% of writers aren't on the same skill level as they are and never will be? Ideals are not meant to be common. The problem is when the ideal is held up as a standard instead of an ideal. Not many art students really compare their painting against Renoir or Picasso--and if they did we'd call them either arrogant or a prodigy. But because of the media, far too many people DO compare their looks to those of models (male and female). The fact that those looks are rare is really not the issue. The fact that people are crazy enough to try and achieve them is the problem.
And models are very famously short on curves thus not the hourglass figure. They're usually 5'10+ and a size 0 or 2. Take a look at Adrianna Lima, currently the top model for Victoria's Secret. Compare her to say Eva Mendes, Salma Hayek or Jayne Mansfield. Those women have curves. Models don't look like them. Models are beanpoles with pretty faces. Hence the whole anorexia/bulemia issue. If enough people actually did prefer the hourglass look, then much heavier women would be models since curves are largely composed of fat. | |
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Posted: 2/4/2008 12:11:02 AM | I find that being younger doesn't necessarily mean you have a good bod, just as being older doesn't always mean you'll be saggy and out of shape
Salma Hayek is beautiful but she ruined her breasts by getting implants | |
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Posted: 2/4/2008 1:54:26 AM | I do apologize to the OP for departing from the topic of the original thread, but I do want to respond to Khamya: Please do read my post carefully. I wrote "almost prenubile" and yes, I meant what I said. Please read my statement in context to the whole post.
Comparing a "rare" (does that meen better?) body type to the achievements of Michelangelo, Rembrant, Chaucer and Milton seems rather a stretch to say the least.
There is nothing "wrong" with a woman having a healthy amount of body fat. (Note that I said healthy.) It is a natural genetical adaptation to insure that a mother can comply with the immediate nourishment requirements of her unborn children and those sustained by breastfeeding. So your statement "Rare is not unnatural" is 100% correct, although it is a blanket catch phrase. Consider that any unfavorable mutation (one that threatens the survival of a species) isn't "unnatural" either.
Models and actresses don't "just happen to have" their "good" looks. What we as a society consider to be atractive may be unatractive in another cultural context, and as far as I know, all models and actors and actrices work hard to achieve the current "ideal" stereotype that we fixate on as a society.
I thought this post was about "older women and YOUNGER men?  | |
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Posted: 2/4/2008 3:46:31 AM | These types of replies are the reason I wanted to end this thread. Look at the irrelevant, inane comments posted by the uniformed.  | |
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Posted: 2/4/2008 12:59:53 PM | Susu, your thread here stayed on topic for almost 4 months. That's close to unbelievable in any online community. Now people are having fun with the concepts. Conversations are living, they drift onto tangents. That's how they are. And isn't it one of the most common ways to learn by sticking your foot in your mouth and being corrected?
"Ah, well, I am a great and sublime fool. But then I am God's fool, and all His work must be contemplated with respect."--Mark Twain
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Fairsong, Yup I did miss the "almost" good catch. I did read the whole in its context, I only called out the bit that I disagreed with. Though it was late and I forgot to mention that the rest of the post made good points. Which of course isn't helpful of me is it?
Comparing a "rare" (does that meen better?) body type to the achievements of Michelangelo, Rembrant, Chaucer and Milton seems rather a stretch to say the least. I think it is a very apt comparison. In any competative field, there are those who are beyond the ability of most to equal. Be it the ability to write, run, sing, or lose weight without killing yourself. Writers, sometimes even famous ones, have driven themselves nearly to death (Lovecraft for example), usually via alcohol, over comparing their work to the masters of their craft or their own earlier works. No different than young women and men doing horrible things to themselves chasing the looks of someone who they cannot match nomatter how hard they try. How often do you hear artists of any kind called their own worst critic? The competition in the fields, the glamour of success/fame, the negative health and self-esteem, and the sheer difference between the few who can reach the pinnacle and the masses who cannot are all similar. We don't like to think of changing our appearance (be it losing weight, gaining muscle mass, dressing, or anything else) as a skill, that part does make it an odd comparison, I'll admit. But in many ways it seems very apt. Even you mentioned that "as far as I know, all models and actors and actrices work hard to achieve the current 'ideal' stereotype that we fixate on as a society." Is working hard on their looks really that different from working hard at anything else? I could work as hard as I wanted for years, dump hundreds of thousands into steroids and personal trainers and I'd never be good enough to compete in professional basketball. It would just destroy my body in the process. I could train with Boccelli, and there's still no way that I'd ever be a world-class singer. Trying would achieve nothing but destroying my self-esteem (assuming I was deluded into thinking that I needed to be his peer to be valuable as a person--very nearly the delusion that young men and women suffer regarding physical ideals). In both cases, I lack the genetics to make it possible. Just the same, I'll never appear in an Ambercrombie & Fitch calendar, no matter how much muscle I change my muscle-to-fat ratio. In that way, I think the comparison is very much like people trying to match the looks of the very few who actually CAN pull it off. I stand by my statement:
The fact that those looks are rare is really not the issue. The fact that people are crazy enough to try and achieve them is the problem.
And I agreed, and still do, with your conclusion. I just differed on the argument that got me to the same place.
It was about older women and younger men. But it's tough to talk about one side of any equation without the other being brought up. Plus, the Washington forum is so slow, it's nice to have anything to talk about. Usually there's only 5 or 6 posts a day. | |
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Posted: 2/4/2008 2:17:20 PM |
the Washington forum is so slow, it's nice to have anything to talk about. Usually there's only 5 or 6 posts a day.
Hear, hear! | |
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Posted: 2/4/2008 5:11:42 PM | | I have no idea what body type has to do with this thread. Some of the assumptions here are just unbelievable. Being a middle aged woman does not mean we are ready for the old folks home. A lot of us are full of energy, attractive, articulate, intelligent, financially secure and responsible individuals. These are all characteristics that real men, younger men are seeking. Most of us have learned how to dress appropriately for an occasion or event. Most of us think about sex every minute and a half, which is not the case with our male counterparts of the same age. Most of us are height weight porportionate, not beauty queens, but how many men out there are looking for a beauty queen or model or could actually attract a beauty queen or mode? | |
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Posted: 2/4/2008 6:34:01 PM | GO COUGS...oh wait..this isn't a football convo?
sorry wrong forum.. | |
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Posted: 2/4/2008 9:40:47 PM | [The fact that those looks are rare is really not the issue. The fact that people are crazy enough to try and achieve them is the problem.]
No, I still want you to reconsider that statement. I believe that there are people willing to try to achieve those look isn't the problem in itself. Rather, the problem lies in our fears as a society of not being young enough, attractive enough. Insecurity piles on insecurity when we are bombarded with the underlying messages of mass media, that want us to believe that we will be attractive, successful, loved and accepted if ONLY...we buy the face cream, the new car, hang out with the "right" people, make enough money to...Keep on buying... so we won't have time to feel or think!
Leaning to love is an ongoing process. I want to learn to forgive and love myself, and put down the frozen mask of self concealment so I can be at peace with myself. In doing so, I will ready to warmly welcome others to my life, and rejoice at their personal successes and forgive their foibles.
How does all this relate to "older women, younger men"?
I believe that this self acceptance and developing a sense of humor, along with having a definite life project is the very essence of the allure and appeal that a mature woman might have. Add a healthy body (not an "ideal" body...Who is to set a beauty canon)? and a pleasant disposition, and you have a person that can be considered an asset in any relationship.
Happy Fishing!
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Posted: 3/13/2008 10:52:16 AM | | Just wanted to bump this a bit. I wanted to keep this thread alive! Plus, as someone said, never much happening in WA forums. ;) | |
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