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Posted: 5/12/2005 9:12:20 AM | kudos to the author of this thread.
I suggest he/ she just ignore those who do not understand its value
and continue.
This disorder is more common than people realize. These characteristics and people who have them are the predators of society. They are drawn to the internet to seek new victims. They prey on others... sometimes the very young or less sophisticated people.
We see it on the news all the time. They have such disregaurd for others, they sometimes turn into serial killers.
Ted Bundy and a long list of others are on this list.
so sad.... the victims of these predators.... so very sad. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2005 9:12:31 AM | darren, i scoped you pretty thoroughly, and you show none of those traits. that's why i love you...
thanx msreddress. most of the threads are not really useful, as far as relationships go. if only one person who is the victim of a sociopath understands what they are dealing with from this, then it's been helpful. wish i hadn't spent 4 years with one. it almost killed me. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2005 9:18:46 AM | You have to wonder....
Been reading the posts to this thread. Anyone who is offended by this information may be
a sociopath or pychopath.
Author is giving information and clarifing it.
thats all. Your offended or dont understand it... go to the sex forums where you belong and read threads you can understand. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2005 9:25:43 AM | If he had been a real sociopath, you wouldn't be here.
You fill your minds with fear of the wrong people. Which only draws you closer to the ones that you should fear.
As far as being a troll. It is far easier to label that which you do not understand. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2005 9:34:12 AM | eccentric.... come on, based on other posts I have seen from you... you are most likely not as screwed up as you seem to want people here in this thread to think.
In fact, I bet you love your child very much..... (it is a guess, but I BET I’m right on the money), which pretty much precludes yourself from such a 'label'.
It’s fun to be wacky and out there sometimes, but let’s get a grip.
Stop acting like an ass (opps, label) and move on. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2005 9:34:47 AM | My point is that with such a vauge list of qualities makes it easy to point anyone we dislike out as a psychopath or sociopath... and vice versa to those we favor. Don't get me wrong, I love psychology, I just don't think it is to be so closely followed word for word... no matter the camp.
The thing is, most people could easily self diagnose themselves under those conditions given if they were brutally honest about themselves... though that is something most people lack, true self cognizance. Which is why we relate ourselves through the similar actions of others. Many of those qualities listed depict human nature.
I would also address how the article only uses the words "us" and "they" as the only main form of comparison. As a sort of black and white, good and bad simplification. It doesn't entail what the author thinks normal is, simply things he or she thinks are wrong that point towards a variety of mental complexes. What is considered normal is something as diverse as the moral/damnation belief structures of the many religions and cultures. Perhaps there is further elaboratin on what this person thinks "normal" is, but I'm just working with what you gave us  | |
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Posted: 5/12/2005 9:37:29 AM | This is like the classic confrontation between good and evil in Platoon. Next we will see giggleparts from above as he runs wounded into the open being chased by enemy soildiers. Later eccentric will be blown away by friendly fire just as he is about to brain Charlie Sheen with a shovel.
I give it two thumbs up! | |
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Posted: 5/12/2005 9:41:32 AM | @ author
Since you are posting this type info... how about doing some stuff on the NUEROTIC...
which is the psychotics cousin :)
Mental disoders can be psycotic or neurotic. Mental illness is based in one or the other of these forms.
and has degrees.
I'd like to read some posts on the neurotic, and see which women get highly offended and storm out.
lol | |
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Posted: 5/12/2005 9:41:33 AM | I do love my daughter, but she is the ONLY thing that keeps me going along with society.
The greatest misconception about sociopaths is that they lack emotional capacity. It is there but it well guarded and very specific.
For those that think I am joking, I would like to show the detailed plans that I made at twelve years old on how to kill and get away with it.
You have no idea the hours in my life I have fantasized about killing all of society, except a select few.
We are everywhere, but we do not show our ass as easily as the OP would have you believe.
Only when people realize that it is society that creates us and it is society that allows us to hide will they even begin to understand the immense complexity of a sociopath. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2005 9:48:16 AM | the quotes came from a variety of sources on the net. the lists are very specific. sure, you can find or ascribe those qualities to people one or two at a time, but the average person doesn't have a lot of them. none of them are very nice. if you don't like someone, it should tell you to think about WHY they are distastful to you. what this list describes is not annoying but changeable things, but basic personality traits that usually require careful observation to uncover. these people are EVERYWHERE. that's why i posted this. sure, there are degrees, but a great many people show signs of this personality type. how many do you know? one way to begin to identify them is by observing the path of emotional destruction they usually leave in their wake, due to their total lack of concern for others. they will also never take any blame for the chaos they cause.
if you think that these lists depict "human nature" then ask yourself what you think it means to be truely human. everyone has his or her little quirks, and will get on someone's nerves from time to time. that's not what this is about. it is about being more able to identify a truely dangerous personality type. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2005 9:49:20 AM | @sid...While I agree that an intellectual evaluation of a prospective partner CAN be done....I just don;t believe that it's very likely when you add into the mix the intensity of human emtion floating around when a rpimary realtionship is in the initial stages...
a good example would be a friend of mine who is 22 years sober from drugs and alcohol, has the benefit of therapy, workshops, books, knowledge GALORE about what a drug addict/ alcoholic looks like, how thay behave, etc...But, funnily enough, she STILL managed to MARRY an ACTIVE addict!!!
That's the main reason, that I believe that the solution to not finding yourself in a relationship with someone psych unbalanced, is to clean up enough of your own stuff so that you can get a better "sense" of where sombody's coming from, and the type of person they are without looking through the filter of your own crap! You KNOW when someone doesn't "feel" right...and should learn to pay attention to that!
As for women making excuses for people's behavior...yes, that's the "crap and issues" that I'm referring to....Dee | |
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Posted: 5/12/2005 9:52:03 AM | @author- none of them are very nice?
did you read what you posted?
They are charming. Dont try to soothe peoples egos, you are just sharing info.
Also with all due respect... you are not qualified to play shrink, diagnose anyone and say who is psycho/ sociopathic in forums.
If you had the ability to diagnose you would have to have a PhD and would certainly not try to do it in a forum.
Just give the info... it is worthy for those who see the use in knowing this info. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2005 9:55:24 AM | @ eccentric:
I don't think one need adopt for home use any of these pschological lables. they are clinical models used for specific purposes, such as developing policy, designing therapies, and conducting further research. Being outcast and misfit in some way, a person can identify with what they imagine "society" (a figment of imagination) would label them. Circumstances can result in developmental problems, some people have organic differences that predispose them to difficult socializing, and so on. I think it is equally absurd to label people as it is to adopt a label from a clinical text.
The psychological problem of being set apart in one's own mind from what one percieves to be a normal society is a syndrome. It is just one way people model their relationship with the world at large. Like most meta-structures it is an abstraction, while in real life every one of its concrete problems has a simple solution. Being unable to relate with others is mitigated by learning how to realte with others. The thing that stands in the way is the idea of being different. The actual difference dissolves when one learns how to be the same.
Everyone inside is different than the normative outside. So anyone can sense that they are not normal. This is about the difference between inside and outside. Nobody is normal on the inside, or, being abnormal on the inside is normal, to put it another way. It is only when one compares their inside to everyone else's outside that the contrast can be mistaken as sociopathy. Living inside out creates conflict, confirming the adopted identity of one who is doomed to suffer conflict. then the world is dealt with by violent fantasies to change the world so that one's inside-out life would not meet resistance.
It is better to recognize that the outer normative expression of self is exactly to provide a common ground where we all meet, to facilitate a common goodwill, in support of our own various unique insides. Do not feel any different from other people; learn how to speak the intermediate language and get along in the marketplace. Once that aspect of socialization is mastered, then you can negotiate relationships that allow intimacy, which is what we call being able to be ourselves, or, being who we are inside with each other. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2005 9:55:43 AM | | eccentric, there is a definite difference between not liking or fitting into society, and sociopathology. i have not much interest in society in general, and agree with a friend of mine who often compares it to the borg. THE DEFINING CHARACTARISTIC OF A SOCIOPATH OR PSYCHOPATH IS A LACK OF EMPATHY. if, as you say yourself, you are capable of truely caring for another person, then you do not fit the profile. you may have other issues. i don't know. don't take on labels that may not fit. many people, including myself, have thought about killing people. it's not uncommon. doesn't make you a psychopath, though. being a social misfit isn't always a sign of psychosis. very often the people we are discussing fit in very well. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2005 9:56:06 AM | @sidheanwwyn
Though your information is fairly accurate on the TRAITS (not symptoms) are fairly accurate you should also realize that a sociopath is a totally separate being. Though both mental illnesses have similiar traits the biggest difference is psychopathic behavior is more of a biological illness where sociopathic behavior is more produced from the environment. Hence, "socio", meaning social. Another difference between the two illnesses is that psychopathic behavior can be treated to some extent, with medications and psychiatric care. Sociopaths on the other hand are more difficult to treat medically. The sociopath shows no remorse for whatever actions he/she commits. They also feel that what they are doing is completely logical and acceptable. A perfect example is Ted Bundy. In his mind, he believed that he HAD to kill all of those women because he felt they were weak and submissive as he had seen his mother be his whole life. He felt that if a woman was inane enough to get into a vehicle with him or fall for his charms that he should have complete control over them and deserved to die. The sociopath will defend his line of thinking and very rarely will change his/her thought pattern unless the sociopathic traits are caught early in childhood. The psychopath on the other hand will fight these feelings of wanting to commit vile behavior even as an adult. Most psychopaths that are not treated as children will live with a mental battle until adulthood and come to a breaking point and explode. An example of this would be a person that walks into a random restaurant and just starts gunning people down.
Now less face the facts here, your list is very detailed and is accurate regarding the traits that a psychopath have. We all carry maybe one, two or even three of these traits within us. To say that we do not is ludicrous. That does not make one a psychopath. It is when you carry most or all of these traits along with a chemical imbalance in your brain that a proper diagnosis of psychopathy can be diagnosed. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2005 9:59:45 AM | BLAH... just more generalizations without explanations.
Again the purpose of this thread is to what??? Self diagnose as a sociopath or psychopath? Humans inherently shy away from admitting fault within themselves.... good luck!!! | |
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Posted: 5/12/2005 10:00:21 AM | Albert Fish murdered and ate children, yet his daughter who loved was never even aware of his actions.
The BTK murderer from here in Wichita had a loving wife and family, while he bound and killed women. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2005 10:06:56 AM | When looking at society as a whole, one has to come to terms with a simple fact.. Society is made up of individuals that have their own perspectives and motivations.
However, that being said, there is something called a group/mob mentality. People can be led to think or feel certain things by the speech and actions of those around them.
This is also evident in how we project our own self-concepts onto other people and how our self-concept is shaped by those around us.
You can't blame society for the world’s ills (in your view), it would be more fitting to blame the actual working of the human brain.
I been saying for years that society's worst enemy is society.
Our minds are designed to be affected by certain stimuli, we can be turned into monsters by some definitions, because of situational/environmental onslaughts. But, even the most broken mind can find clarity in the sanity of insanity. The only time it is ever too late to follow a different path, is when the seeker has given up on the chance for redemption from themselves.
If you can not forgive yourself your troubles, than what good are you, to anyone, least of all yourself?
Knowing something and understanding something are two different things.
As an example, you say you have been planning the death of all of us and yet you have never gone through with your plans. Some people might joke that you 'never follow through', but that would be their ignorance. You don't kill people, because there is at least some kind of voice no matter how weak it may or may not be, in that head of yours that's stopping you. Even if that only thing stopping you is the love of your child.... that's something.
I don't know you and I don't know your problems, but there are degrees of sanity.
Perhaps you have found your handhold and that is all that matters.
As to the nature and presentation of your posts, well, you are being dramatic and that's okay. But I still don't think you are as far gone as all of that. I’m not saying you are not being serious in that you have had and still do have issues with that, BTW.
PS. I thought planning how to get away with murder was normal... I do it once and awhile myself.
PPS. I loved the Platoon post | |
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Posted: 5/12/2005 10:07:04 AM | msreddress, never said they were nice, only can seem that way, especially at first. not many psychiatrists are very good at diagnosing people on any level, as their inability to get past their own preconceptions of the way people "should be" gets in the way. the general public usually puts way too much faith in any kind of doctor. i have worked with enough of them to know better. also think a thread on neurosis would be fun. enjoy tweaking the noses of those who take themselves way too seriously.
random, the above applies to what you are talking about. everyone has their own ideas about what's normal. there is a big difference, however, between abnormal and psychotic. never claimed to be "normal" myself, and often choose to associate with those who fall outside the norm, as they tend to be more interesting to me. would anyone call thoreau "normal"? i don't think anyone would call him a psychopath either.
in agreement with dee. that's exactly what i was talking about. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2005 10:16:05 AM | @giggle
You are right in that I found my handhold.
Perhaps it appeared as dramitization, but it is a venting of things that have been welling up in my mind.
I have to vent my sadism on a regular basis, otherwise I would lose control. I have on average 7-10 sadistic fantasies per day and those need to be expelled outward so that they don't turn inward.
When I mention killing, I don't mean bang your dead. When I mention killing I mean bounding torturing and slowly killing over several days.
This is the biggest reason that I avoid inimate relationships, if I were to be become completely involved in someone they would never be capable of handling the reality of the way my mind works.
I choose to avoid treatment because I am gambling that my "issues" so to speak will lead to genuis inspiration. I have found throughout history some of the most profound people were twisted dark people. | |
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Posted: 5/12/2005 10:25:12 AM | | There are some really good therapists who can help you find replacements for those kinds of thoughts. The thouyghts are optional; you have a choice in this. The process begins with talking through your thoughts out loud with another person. Online it might be venting, but in therapy it is acknowledging how your mind has become over time, as a way of changing direction. Once things are said in the open then new ways to understand yourself, your history and your relationships begin. Building these new understanings to replace the home-grown festering fantasies is how to go from being almost snapped to healthy and positive. Nothing quite maintains a case of antisocial identity like being a hermit does. If you are fantasizing about hurting people, that sucks, so get it taken care of. Life can be different than you can now imagine it to be, but only by using the help that people have trained themselves to be able to offer. I would think it is unhappy knowing about yourself that you have such thoughts. But maybe it's not. It's over my head, that's all I know. | |
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