| | Should alchoholics be given DLA?Page 4 of 5 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5) | Widsy - Im really sorry about your situation. Thats disgusting and very typical of the benefit system. Are you not entitled to some kind of carer's allowance as opposed to the DLA?
"it seems sickening that self inflicted damage is rewarded with a high claim. I know people have problems but my child was born this way.. "
This - is my point.
Tinhathead - copy and paste away. x
Approximately a year ago my work colleage went home for her lunch and to check up on her alcoholic mother (of 15 years).
She found her dead in bed. She'd had an alcohol induced fit.
My friend at the time was barely 30. She'd continuously pleaded with her mum to get help, if not for her sake.
Her mother refused.
I have all the time, care, help in the world to give to people who want it.
The people who dont just remain to destroy their families lives along with their own.
Im sorry, I have no sympathy for this and never will have. | |
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| Should alchoholics be given DLA?
Posted: 9/7/2007 8:05:27 AM |
Tinhathead - copy and paste away. x
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I have all the time, care, help in the world to give to people who want it.
The people who dont just remain to destroy their families lives along with their own.
Im sorry, I have no sympathy for this and never will have.
Lots of people care and give time to those who want it, professionals/unpaid volunteers use their time and use that time available to help ALL regardless of whether they want it or not and try to get to the root of the problem, just because someone is an alcoholic does not mean that they dont deserve equal care, people need to look at the reasons as to why someone became an alcoholic, by not giving them equal time and care could destroy their families even further if they have one.
Taking away their DLA in my opinion is not the answer to the problem and as mentioned in previous posts people may have been receiving DLA for another illness that led to them becoming an alcoholic. | |
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Posted: 9/7/2007 9:52:33 AM | My son was a heroin addict but he didnt get a penny and I'm glad even though he stole the clothes off my back and sold half my possessions. In the end he sunk so low the only way was up and even though he'll always be recovering he goes to college and has a part time job. If he had received DLA I think he would probably be dead by now as he would have injected the whole allowance into his veins. True, he stole to support his habit and ended up in prison but he has pulled himself out of the gutter and with a little help from me is standing on his own two feet.
The thing with addiction, it cant be beaten alone, the addict really must have counselling. Even though its around 2 years that my son has been clean he still has counselling and finds it invaluable. There is help out there. Im not saying that everyone with an addiction shouldnt receive DLA but they really should ask for help as Im sure many do. You cant really generalise on a subject like this because every case is different and should be judged on its own merits.
Perhaps I should add that one of his acquaintances who is a heroin addict receives DLA for 'depression' and has done for years. He pays very little rent or any other bills and the majority of it goes on drugs. He has never tried to make good because he has a regular allowance and although this thread is primarily about alcoholics, before someone mentions it, the principle is the same. | |
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Posted: 9/9/2007 3:45:01 PM | So should addicts of whatever addiction be it alcohol , heroin or tobacco be given funding to perpetuate their addictions?
I think not, yet this DLA money could possibly be spent more wisely on programes to wean people off or prevent access to their suppliers. I think the americans call it the tough love method in some cases.
I have experience of seeing some of the best upright people become addicted to alcohol and or drugs some by sheer convenience some by peer pressures and some people who's characters had a self destructive tendancy. (several years on the isle of Ibiza to be exact showed me this) and the only assured cure (if thats what its called- it may simply be avoidance) is initially by abstinance, ( sometimes involuntary )usually by getting beyond the reach of easy supply and where necessary being prevented from their habits by friends or families or third party groups.
DLA doesn't do this at all. the one thing this soft country is getting good at is saying that no one is to blame and throw pity on the individual which allows the addict of whichever vice to go into denial.
Which of course doesn't help anyone.
So does DLA help anyone- it keeps crime figures down I suppose with less addicts commiting crime and also keeps the underfunded health centers and antidrug dependancy clinics from being inundated but thats about it.
To summarise DLA monies should be better spent by tackling the problem head on. but of course the individual needs to want help, to make this work. so lets limit their alternatives. | |
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Posted: 2/24/2009 4:58:42 PM | i myself am a recovered alcoholic of 6yrs,.and it took what seemed a lifetime of agony ,total loss of marriage family friends job income,dignity and self worth..i volentary take still suffering alcoholics thru a 12 step program of recovery,those who want sobriety bad enough do it,and with hard work they can rebuild there lives..and those who play at it usualy die and thats there choice..should they be given DLA???.NO they fukin shouldnt,its not the government or the NHS,s concern..its the week minded pisspots who cry how bad the world treats them and how they,ve fell victim to a life threatening addiction fukin jokers..(NO VICTIMS JUST VOLENTEERS)..leave the NHS to get on with what they do best by treating sick n needy ppl..alcoholics get off your arses get yourself to an AA meeting find yourself a decent sponsor, and work for your sobriety...life will get better DLA is material,life isnt.. | |
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Posted: 2/24/2009 5:08:58 PM | Alcoholics are ill and subsequently need money for essentials.
Unfortunately no one can police what they spend the gas money on.
However little money they have, some would still fund their addiction.
Should they get extra DLA? I've no idea.
Maybe it would be an idea to just give them all a thousand pounds so they can all drink themselves to death instantly.
What a lot of money it would save the NHS and Social security!  | |
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Posted: 2/24/2009 5:10:20 PM | The problem with the admistration of DLA is that it gets paid directly to people who are then supposed to pay for their care with the money.
I've been in the situation where people I've worked with have applied for DLA and been entitled to it, possibly not because they are alcohol dependant but because of associated illnesses. I don't disagree with people getting DLA who need it, what I disagree with, is the fact that the Government has a system in place that doesn't allow for the money to be paid directly to the people who are providing the care that's needed.
Obviously that causes a dilemma, if people who abuse substances apply for DLA and get it, they risk spending it on drugs or alcohol.
DLA though isn't easy to get and as far as I'm aware, there are few people on DLA who are on it for life, the exception I think are people who are suffering from a terminal illness.
It's reviewed randomly and people have been taken off DLA, it's by no means a lifetime award of money.
DLA forms are also a nightmare, if anyone is applying for DLA, a welfare rights officer is the best person to assist.
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Posted: 2/25/2009 1:13:48 AM | No they should not!
Alcohol abuse is their own doing so why whould they be classed as disabled.
I know a few genuinely disabled people who cannot get a brass farthing from DLA.
A relative has a daughter who has severe seizures and she isnt able to recieve DLA as apparently severe seizures are not a bad enough disability to warrant DLA.
DLA isnt paid to the carers,that is carers allowance.
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Posted: 2/25/2009 1:31:10 AM | Alcohol abuse is their own doing so why whould they be classed as disabled.
Should the same be applied for those with eating disorders and other obsessional disorders ?
A relative has a daughter who has severe seizures and she isnt able to recieve DLA as apparently severe seizures are not a bad enough disability to warrant DLA.
Dont alcoholics also suffer seizures, strokes and paralysis ? | |
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Posted: 2/25/2009 1:36:15 AM | Should the same be applied for those with eating disorders and other obsessional disorders ?
yes
Dont alcoholics also suffer seizures, strokes and paralysis ?
Probably but the point is the child didnt do anything to cause the seizures,the alcohol abuser did.
She has 10+ seizures a day sometimes,she is 5 years old.
The alcohol abuser chose to drink the alcohol,she didnt choose to have a condition that causes seizures.
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I don't see where i said that,also that wasnt the question and i am entitled to my own opinion thanks | |
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Posted: 2/25/2009 1:41:09 AM | yes
The alcohol abuser chose to drink the alcohol,she didnt choose to have a condition that causes seizures.
So you are saying that people suffering with mental Illness should not recieve DLA ?
I don't see where i said that,also that wasnt the question and i am entitled to my own opinion thanks
Alcoholism and eating disorders are mental illness's , you have said both should not be given DLA , I'm unsure of your confusion of your own posts ??
You are entitled to your opinion as I am entitled to challenge It on a debating forum !!
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Posted: 2/25/2009 2:38:30 AM | To the person who wrote that A.A is religious based. What a load of bull. It is a spritual programme NOT religious. It works a 12 step programme and it does NOT disempower you. The 12 step programme is the first 3 steps surrender to the illness in other words stopping fighting it and this brings freedom step 4 and 5 is itinary step 6 and 7 is change and dealing with life on life terms. step 10 11 12 are the maintainance part of the programne. Their is so many misconceptions about A.A it is unbeleivable.
Lets face it if you have lived with alcoholic misery then people who are sick and tired of being sick and tired would do anything even if it was religious which A.A is NOT. It is the only walk of life where people from every creed race and background mix and make it work because they want freedom from the old misery | |
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Posted: 2/25/2009 3:19:18 AM | Don't be confused Macforty,it's simple really.
I don't think alcoholics & people with food disorders should be entitled to DLA.
Just because I don't think they should doesnt mean that they wouldnt or don't. I'm not confusing myself or contradicting myself either.Just voicing my opinion just like we all are. | |
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Posted: 2/25/2009 3:33:38 AM | Don't be confused Macforty,it's simple really.
I was'nt , you were remember by your own posts ??
I don't think alcoholics & people with food disorders should be entitled to DLA.
Or people with the other mental obsessional disorders I mentioned too eh ?
What Is the difference between someone suffering from one type of recognized mental Illness and another ......you cant have a foot In both camps can you ??
You either suffer with mental Illness or you dont surely?? | |
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Posted: 2/25/2009 3:37:22 AM | I wasnt and still am not confused.i have my opinions and so do you.We just have different ones that is all.
The thread is about alcoholics so i am talking about them.When the thread appears regarding other mental issues i will then add to them accordingly.
No,i don't suffer with mental illness,thankfully.
Drinking alcohol is a choice.Having a disability like the one i mentioned isnt.My opinion only.Note i said MY opinion only.
\/\/\/\/\/ I take it you are the only one allowed to add input.I have stated what I think,so have you.Don't attack me for mine.HTH
\/\/\/\/\/\ yes i have realised it.i might not be a long time member of this forum unlike many others but i do add my opinion and accept other peoples.
Aitchem......I was being facetious as i find it so much better than being argumentative :) | |
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Posted: 2/25/2009 3:43:32 AM | The thread is about alcoholics so i am talking about them.When the thread appears regarding other mental issues i will then add to them accordingly.
The mental Illness angle Is extremely relevant In this debate considering Alcoholism Is a recognized mental Illness however your Input of a child having seizures/fits may not be !!
HTH
\/\/\/\/\/ I take it you are the only one allowed to add input.I have stated what I think,so have you.Don't attack me for mine.HTH
Have you realised you are on a debate forum yet ?..................People are allowed to disagree and challenge your opinion thats the general Idea of being on here!!
You were not attacked , your posts were .......'tis allowed!!
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Posted: 2/25/2009 3:48:56 AM | IMO this is a really tough call, unless you know the whole picture of the individual case then how can you judge.
I do not think any one "decides" to become an addict or get an eating disorder there are times for some when they lose control of their lives.
There are thousands of alcoholics holding down jobs who might jump at the chance to go into treatment if the stigma were removed. Perhaps if the DLA money was paid to treatment agencies instead of individuals it might go a little way to helping those who want to help themselves. | |
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Posted: 2/25/2009 3:51:56 AM |
No,i don't suffer with mental illness,thankfully.
Erm? I don’t think Macforty was asking or suggesting that you personally have a mental illness but that people either suffer with a mental illness of they don’t…. | |
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Posted: 2/25/2009 4:01:20 AM | IMO.. whilst alcoholism is a mental disorder, it is also surely a social disorder, and the exception that some people seemily are taking, is that whilst other mental disorders seem to strike indescriminatory, alcoholism, as with drug dependancy has its ORIGINS in choice..
not that you choose to become either dependant on drugs or alcohol, or any other substance..
so whilst i agree that, as with other mental disorders if DLA is payable it should only be payable whilst actively seeking/receiving treatment and not just as a matter of course... | |
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Posted: 2/25/2009 4:02:15 AM | no i dont think they should get it why cant they go out mugging like drug addicts have to
or perhaps more help to sort themselves out rather then giving them money to kill themselves | |
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Posted: 2/25/2009 4:47:24 AM | so whilst i agree that, as with other mental disorders if DLA is payable it should only be payable whilst actively seeking/receiving treatment and not just as a matter of course...
Excellent point and one I wholeheartedly agree with !!
We should not enable and fund those that do nothing to help themselves !! | |
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| Should alchoholics be given DLA?
Posted: 2/25/2009 4:47:42 AM | No one forced a bottle into their hands just like no one forced a heroin addict to stick a needle into their arms. Any underlying mental disorders would have already been festering, and THOSE are the issues that should have been treated.
Regardless if an alcholic has a mental illness , the illness be treated first? If they are drinking to forget sort the cause of the problem not give them DLA to piss up the wall.
I have every sympathy with someone who has depression severe enough to make them want to turn to drink to forget their woes, maybe the government should spend the money wisely and invest in a prominet rehab scheme. Those who dont want to participate dont have to, let them drink themselves to death, more resources for everyone else. The issues with eating disorders Im afraid are the same, the problem with modern society is that we always treat the symptoms and not the cause.
Im not very empathetic today  | |
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Posted: 2/25/2009 10:37:45 AM | Slightly off topic but related to previous postings:
For some reason a lot of children seem to have been dragged into this thread about alcoholics, mainly accompanied by complaints about the level of DLA that they are awarded.
Can I just explain that DLA is awarded to pay for care over and above normal care that would need to be given to an individual. Thus very young children would be expected to need (parental) care day and night for the first years of their life in normal circumstances, so DLA care payments aren't appropriate. A child under the age of normal walking ability won't get DLA mobility payments for the same reason.
And to the poster who complained that an elderly person couldn't get Carer's Allowance - this money is paid because the carer is unable to work because of their caring responsibilities. Someone over retirement age and claiming their retirement pension and/or Pension Credit is not a worker and therefore CA can't be paid - there are no "lost wages" to compensate for!
Normal service may now be resumed! | |
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Posted: 2/25/2009 10:44:12 AM | Can I just explain that DLA is awarded to pay for care over and above normal care that would need to be given to an individual. Thus very young children would be expected to need (parental) care day and night for the first years of their life in normal circumstances, so DLA care payments aren't appropriate. A child under the age of normal walking ability won't get DLA mobility payments for the same reason.
DLA is paid for children.My brother gets it for his 7 yr old son.This is why the other parent i refered to applied for DLA for the child who has seizures.
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I agree with whoever it was who said the money should be used to assist the alcoholic get off the drink but not pay the money/DLA to the alcoholic. | |
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Posted: 2/25/2009 10:51:22 AM | We currently do give DLA to people who don't or can't help themselves. Or the Govt does. I managed a project for people with long term drink issues, many of whom had been in and out of rehab and in and out of AA over a long number of years. Many of the men were entitled to DLA, the money was paid directly into their bank accounts, they were supposed to give the money to care agencies who helped them with personal care etc, but as time went on, a lot of them lost interest in paying those bills and spent the money on other things, not just alcohol but some of it went on booze.
So, due to the way the DLA was administered, there was an argument for saying that the benefits they were entitled to were actually making their lives worse and not better.
Surely there has to be a way of paying out this money so that people can get care they need if they need it and not put themselves at risk at the same time.
Whether someone can or can't help themselves isn't a factor in deciding who gets and who doesn't. It's a lottery as to who gets and who doesn't anyway. | |
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