| | Should alchoholics be given DLA?Page 5 of 5 (1, 2, 3, 4, 5) | My best mate was an alcoholic drug user.
He was one of the nicest kindest guys ive ever met with a heart of gold.
The extra money he got went on a bit of blo an E now and again cheap white cider that not only rotted his gut but also ruined his liver.
He didn't eat particularly well but without the extra money i expect he would have starved and become very ill.
He couldn't handle life "sober" and think i can say that if he was forced to sober up he would have killed himself.
So it was left as it is with ever alcoholic to get help to dry out in there own time.
He moved to his sisters in Glasgow to get away from some of the more unsavory characters around here.
His sister couldn't handle it so he moved into the homeless shelter.
I remember chatting with him on the mobile he told me he didn't like it there as it was full of pissheads
I got a call from his sister the next day.
He had washed shaved put on a collar and tie his best suit and hung himself in his room.
I cried like a baby. | |
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| Should alchoholics be given DLA?
Posted: 7/27/2012 6:24:16 PM | | no simple its self inflickted and just gives them more to spend ,if the damage is done and they no longer drink but have permanant bad health then anyone deserves care | |
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Posted: 7/27/2012 11:57:23 PM | ARGHHHHHH NO they should not get a penny. I have no time for alcoholics and druggies. Zero tolerance.
I am "addicted" to shoes, but I don't expect anyone else to buy them! | |
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Posted: 7/28/2012 12:18:19 AM | | No they shouldn't give them DLA its like giving candy to a baby. all they will do is drink them selfs to death, | |
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Posted: 7/29/2012 2:44:30 AM | Of course they should, they should be given every help and assistance they need. Alcohol is by far and away the worst drug of all of them and those who are unfortunate enough to become addicted need all the help and compassion we can spare them. It is sad to read all the sanctimonious posts who want to remove all their help and assistance in here from people who almost certainly did exactly the same things every alcoholic did in their pre-acoholic days. It is only someones pre-disposition to alcohol and their addictive personalities that caused them to become addicted and those in here who express such distain were 'lucky' they too did not become addicts themselves. No-one has any way of knowing if they will lose control over their drinking and we should all be thankful that it is not us that has fallen so far.
Society is geared up in such a way that consuming alcohol is the norm. Every family occassion or social get together usually involves drinking and getting drunk. From wetting a babies head at birth, to celebrating weddings, funerals, coming of age and other parties, drinking with meals, religious ceremonies, nights out with mates etc. etc. etc. We have all participated in these events and we have all been drunk on many many occassions. The line between us and them is one we cannot see and cannot know if we will ever cross. The lack of empathy and understanding is sad to see.
Just because alcoholics choose to drink as their drug of choice should not exclude them from the care and help they need. To do that would be a very dangerous step IMO. If we are to withold money or medical care to people on the basis of their affliction or injury being wholy or partly self inflicted then just where would we draw the line?. Should we refuse to help cancer sufferers who smoke or have a poor diet, should we deny health care to obese people, fail to treat people hurt in road accidents for stepping into the road without looking or driving without due care and attention?. Should people who hurt themselves through their own stupidity or in an deliberate attempt to harm themselves be denied the help they need?. This list goes on and on and on. Every single poster in here who has expressed a view that alcoholics should somehow be singled out for punative treatment would do well to look at their own medical histories and those of their families and loved ones, they too will have incurred costs to the welfare system for things that they are 100% at fault for and for things that they could have prevented had they changed their behaviour in some way. Singling out people addicted to alcohol is probably their way of wagging their metophorical finger at others when in reality they could very well point those fingers at themselves..... | |
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Posted: 7/29/2012 4:12:13 AM | ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
Couldn't have put it any better myself. Anyone who has become close to an alcoholic and witnessed first hand the terrible and frightening effects it has, plus the anguish the alcoholic goes through at their own helplessness, would know it isn't a lifestyle of choice. In addition, the alcoholism is bad enough in itself, but what are worse are the other matters underpinning it; they are never straightforward or easily solved and they alone merit support and understanding from those fortunate enough to be free from the affliction.
Alcholism is usually the symptom of another serious underlying problem and then there are two issues to be dealing with.
People shouldn't be so pompous and judgemental when they don't really know all that goes with it. Isn't the measure of a civilised society the way they look after those less fortunate? | |
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Posted: 7/29/2012 4:42:09 AM | | I grew up in a household with a father who happens to be an alcoholic with mental health issues. HIS father killed himself in his car with a hose attached to the exhaust before I even came into the world. Without the help and care my dad recieved he may have went the same way, who knows. Point being it's never a clear-cut issue, and if my dad hadn't had the care he got at the time then maybe I would never exist. Luckily I'm not a big drinker, never have been. However I did suffer depression at one stage and could so easily have fell into that cycle. Without the care and love of friends and family around me I probably wouldn't even be here. I'm not the kind of person who asks for help on such things as I feel like I'd be a burden. However to stay silent on such issues will only do more harm than good, not only to yourself but to the people around you who love you and who you love. | |
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Posted: 7/29/2012 8:20:42 AM | It is not moral to expect the taxpayer to finance people that made poor choices, however neither is it moral to simply ignore those that make mistakes. As someone has pointed out it is difficult to know where to draw the line, the damage an alcoholic inflicts on themselves is self-induced, but then what of most people that end up in hospital?
Medical treatment should be free for the user, because that is the promise for which tax was exorted. But we should not be expected to pay the rent and food for people that have rendered themselves unfit for work. Private charities, friends and families can do that. | |
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Posted: 8/1/2012 1:47:08 PM | MikeInNorthWales Msg101
I’m sorry for your loss.
As Graffiti Poet says,
The lack of empathy and understanding is sad to see.
Graffiti Poet Msg105
To be honest the OP and most posters are not against alcoholics getting treatment or assistance, just the way in which they are able to spend their DLA benefit on drink.
Of course they should, they should be given every help and assistance they need.
But to what purpose?
To help them overcome their “disability”, or to speed up their own demise.
I have certain reservations about DLA being given to alcoholics.
1 - There is no incentive for them to address their problems.
2 – I feel uneasy about giving money to an alcoholic primarily to feed his habit.
On a personal note, if your partner, brother or sister asked you for money to feed their drinking habit, how would you feel?
Would you give them the money?
I fully agree with paragraph 2 of your post. Society needs to get to grips with this (likely to be increasing) problem. | |
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Posted: 8/1/2012 5:42:51 PM | | Should middle England be allowed to vote? I wish they couldn't. Clueless illogical selfish maniplated herd. | |
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Posted: 8/1/2012 5:56:09 PM | again most people are actually making judgments with out knowing the actual facts ...
disability living allowance is based on what "care" the person requires and needs, not on the actual illness they have, which works out the more "care" a person needs the higher rate of disability they get.
in theory a person suffering from alcohol problems should not see a penny as it should go to the carer to pay for the actual care.
read into that what you will as goes straight across the board for those others suffering from smoking, being over weight etc ....
d.l.a needs to be changed radically and quite quickly as the money is going to people who dont have any care but those who do require are not getting it. plus in reality at least 3 signatures should be on the form gp, social worker, physico etc but at the same time it may cost to much to investigate a false claim then actually hand money over. | |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 6:19:48 AM | no change will be made .
this is the gov,s plan.
you have a "low life" who drinks life away and will prob be the same for rest of life.
taxpayers are feeding them drink for what purpose?.
it aint rocket science is it!!
in time they will die and no longer be a burden non the state.
increasing dla due to liver disease says it all. | |
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Posted: 8/2/2012 12:39:56 PM |
no they should not ALONG WITH FREE BUS PASSES,UNLESS THEY ACCEPT ON GOING TREATMENT
Really…? Would you prefer to see an active alcoholic behind the wheel instead? All passes of every type have restrictions from travel during peak hours and so where is the harm in being on a bus/train that is following the route anyway, even if completely empty because it has to adhere to the timetable?
Neither should the collective terms ‘they’ or ‘them’ be used, as though a different species; we are talking about individual people here.
Mostly an alcoholic has a pre-disposition to addictive behaviours, hardly self-inflicted. I’ve never known one who didn’t have one, or both, of his/her parents who were also alcoholic.
An alcoholic evolves that way as a result of discovering that a drink or two dulls the pain of another underlying problem, self-medication if you like, until gradually more is required for the desired effect and furthermore, it works for a while. Eventually the body is so accustomed to the intake it can’t manage without it. Withdrawal is a terrible thing to witness, indescribable to those thankfully unfamiliar with it and can lead to death – ironically not from drinking, but from not drinking. People don’t realise that after a while – a point that is never recognised until it’s too late to change – it is the alcohol that is keeping the alcoholic alive, also he/she probably will be unable to eat by this stage and a drink will be the only calories being consumed.
But we should not be expected to pay the rent and food for people that have rendered themselves unfit for work. Private charities, friends and families can do that.
How much money do you think private charities, friends and families have? Being an alcoholic is an expensive business. In addition, it is sometimes impossible for families and friends to continue being involved. It’s nearly as hard for them as it is for the alcoholic, often taking them to the brink of insanity themselves with fear and worry every time you put the key in the lock not knowing if you’ll find them dead or alive, sometimes the two are barely discernible.
I have certain reservations about DLA being given to alcoholics.
1 - There is no incentive for them to address their problems.
2 – I feel uneasy about giving money to an alcoholic primarily to feed his habit.
1 – There is every incentive, life depends on it, but it’s impossible without the right support.
2 – The money isn’t feeding ‘the habit’, by the time there is an entitlement to DLA it is actually keeping an alcoholic alive.
On a personal note, if your partner, brother or sister asked you for money to feed their drinking habit, how would you feel?
Would you give them the money?
Actually, if you cared enough you would. You’d even go and buy it for them because there is a risk of death without it. Until someone has experienced a close involvement they will never understand this; I didn’t.
in time they will die and no longer be a burden non the state.
It isn’t easy to gain admission to a detox unit, often with long waiting times, months in some areas and it’s the DLA that keeps the alcoholic alive. I’ve attended the funerals of a few friends my own age who were alcoholic and each one was sensitive, caring and with an above average intelligence, as are those still alive. Alcoholism is ticking time-bomb, gaining momentum daily.
The bigger burdens in society are the dim illiterate people with closed minds who pass judgement and make sweeping statements on matters they have no experience of. | |
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Posted: 8/10/2012 2:02:09 PM | absolutely not
also, they should have there driving l;cences taken away
many deseases your local g.p. has to inform the dvla and they suspend your licence, not so with an achoholic, how crazy is that | |
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Posted: 8/11/2012 8:52:11 AM | Personal Independence Payment will replace Disability Living Allowance (DLA) for people of working age (by this we mean people aged 16-64 on the day Personal Independence Payment is introduced) from April 2013.
from next year everyone that is getting DLA will have to reapply for this new benefit unless you under 16 and over 65 | |
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| Should alchoholics be given DLA?
Posted: 8/12/2012 5:55:21 AM | | They shouldn't get DLA, these drunks that get it are more than likely people that take the easy road in life, it's astounding the amount of money they get for it too. | |
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Posted: 8/12/2012 6:05:05 AM | I might have missed something, but what is the connection between DLA and free bus passes?
I wasn't aware that these came as part of the benefits package, unless the person is over retirement age, and that has no connection with DLA.
Sounds like someone might be gently heading into benefit rant mode?
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Posted: 8/12/2012 11:30:56 AM |
They shouldn't get DLA, these drunks that get it are more than likely people that take the easy road in life, it's astounding the amount of money they get for it too.
And the easy road to an early death. Rest assured, your financial expenditure you are against will be short lived.
Sadly I would like to bet that those posted against will more than likely be first in line to see what handouts they are entitled to.. self inflicted or not.
Some people sadly suffer some very traumatic events, some are fine and some never recover and turn to drugs becoming totally dependant. Why would we not wish to help those people, its the drug addiction/needs that changes personalities... | |
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Posted: 8/14/2012 4:50:40 AM | My friend kicked booze by joining the gym, he said he wish he hadn't been given so much benefit money as he'd probably still have a decent liver. As for how he got to the gym, it was me I paid his membership for him. He started off just sitting in the jacuzi but eventually went on to swimming and then weights. Now he's off drink and works full time. Sickness benefit done nothing to improve his situation, it made him worse and nearlly killed him. If I hadn't intervened and just left it to his social worker he'd be dead now.
The problem with this country is we have liberals making up the rules and all they care about is political correctness. If you said to an alcoholic you are not getting a penny until you do 50 laps round the gym, they'd go. The best form of repair for the body is excersise that doesn't matter if you are taking cider or crack.
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