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| how do you go about gentley telling someone their dog needs to be put down? Posted: 9/6/2007 5:16:03 PM |
I work for animal control and have worked in a vet office. What that owner is doing is not just cruelty it is criminal neglect. The dog obviously has cancer, and it is slowly killing the dog. To any one who thinks it is none of her affair, Let me ask you this, Would you turn a blind eye, if you knew that a child was sick, hurt, and being neglected by so called loving parents? Pet owners are legally required to provide medical care for there pets, not to mention licensing laws their breaking , along with the rabies, parvo, distemper vaccinations needed each year. It sounds to me that, since it is left out side to sleep, has had no medical care, shots, or anything , that they don't LOVE the dog and want to keep it around, their just to cheap and stingy to do anything to hep the pour thing. You need to call your local animal control, and report the abuse, and they will do the caring thing. the owners may be brought up in charges,and have to pay a fine, YOU need to be ok with that. Cruelty, and neglect is evil, it is EVERY BODYS BUSINESS. All evil needs to flourish is for good people to do NOTHING. I don't know how important your relations to your neighbor is, if keeping friends with them means more to you than helping that dog out of this life of pain, then do nothing. It will die, the question is will you let it die in agony and pain or will you help ease it peace fully? I personally have euthenised many hundreds of dogs, and cats, I'm a huge animal lover, but when their quality of life diminishes that much it is time to do the loving thing .
Amen, my sister in animal protection. | |
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| how do you go about gentley telling someone their dog needs to be put down? Posted: 9/6/2007 10:08:14 PM | Point out to the owner how much the dog is suffering. I, too, would like to hear the dog's age but in general if its over 8 put it down. It's up to the owner to do the right thing no matter how hard that is to do.
One saturday I saw a rabbit in a neighbor's yard acting all weird. Jumping over this other rabbit. Several other rabbits were around, concerned, as if something had just happened. I watched this odd behavior for awhile until I realized the stationary rabbit had its rear legs broken. I dunno how. Maybe an animal, maybe it got run over by a car or fell asleep under one. Anyway I put on a pair of leather gloves, gently brought it behind the garage and finished it off with a shovel & buried it. The rabbit was in such shock from having its legs broken it never even tried to run from me, a wild rabbit. It was quick and painless like it never knew what hit it. It was the right thing to do. It wasn't going to last and why let it suffer?
Talk to your relative and convince them to do the right thing. The dog is using the dirt like we would use an icepak, it probably helps alleviates its suffering because its cooler. But sick animals sometimes eat dirt or plants, too.Its not unusual for animals to do things like that when they are sick that is why you never approach a skunk(or any other nocturnal animal) if you see them during the day. They will do unpredictable things when sick.
Tell your relative if they really cared about fido they would shorten its inevitable suffering and why let it suffer?
Is your relative ok? No offense intended but they sound like they might be in a fog or depressed or in need of some help themself, perhaps? Because most people will not let an animal suffer, much less a personal pet; one that they love. | |
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| how do you go about gentley telling someone their dog needs to be put down? Posted: 9/6/2007 10:16:31 PM | | If a dog is old and suffering then I think it is cruel to keep them alive, they may have a stong heart but there body around it is giving up,my old dog is 15 years old and is like my best friend but if she starts to suffer I will help put her out of the pain and suffering much like many humans have been asking for the right to do to themselves. | |
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| how do you go about gentley telling someone their dog needs to be put down? Posted: 9/7/2007 3:20:41 AM | How sad this all is. May I suggest that you recommend your family bring the dog to the vet to simply see if there are medications to improve the poor dog's symptoms and improve his eating. If you can convince them to do that, maybe the vet, when seeing the physical state of the dog, will be able to explain the peaceful, painless and humane relief that the dog should receive. To love the dog is to give him the ultimate, most unselfish act of relief. Vets are expereinced in dealing with this.
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| how do you go about gentley telling someone their dog needs to be put down? Posted: 9/7/2007 5:38:51 AM | How sad.
Only they can make that decision though. And as heart wrenching as it is, it is ultimately up to the owners. A vet can only make the suggestion, not decide.
I used to be asked "how will we know it's time?" (I used to work in a clinic) Just like the reasons you gave:
when the dog eliminates in the home because they no longer have control extreme weight loss and loss of appetite normal everyday activity is no longer enjoyable or unable to do happy to see you return home?
This is truly the last gift you can give to your best friend. Really loving a pet also means sometimes accepting a sad reality: sometimes it has to be done. Many people 'allow' their pets to remain living for their own selfishness. Pet owners need to place the pet's welfare before themselves.
If only we could help "euthanize" those humans who are holding on, but are obviously 'ready to go' (aka assisted suicide). If only we could be that humane to our human loved ones.
It doesn't matter how old this dog is - his quality of life is BEYOND help from a vet. No surgery or medication will help him. Plea with the family. If they will not listen, call animal control, then, they will wish they had listened. It may be the owners right, but when it's neglect, that's a whole different story. | |
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| how do you go about gentley telling someone their dog needs to be put down? Posted: 9/8/2007 5:50:32 AM | | In an attempt to keep feelings in check, I still believe encouraging the owners to get the dog to a vet is a good solution. Having a knowledgable, impartial person tell the owners, what to everyone is obvious, that the dog should be euthanized may work. Confronting the owners has not worked, and is causing hostility. Under the guise of getting help from the vet, the owners may listen to the wisdom of the vet when faced with the fact that nothing can be done to relieve its pain. | |
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| how do you go about gentley telling someone their dog needs to be put down? Posted: 9/10/2007 1:02:36 PM | I keep checking back at this thread, to see if Paws , has gotten back with an update. I still think about this poor dog out in the yard, I hope that something has been done, to relieve his suffering, either a vet check has been done , and he has had a diagnosis. So the pain and suffering was either treated or ended.
OP, when this is taken care of please post in here, I realy hope that he has been checked out. :-( | |
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| how do you go about gentley telling someone their dog needs to be put down? Posted: 9/10/2007 8:12:02 PM | | Why don't you print out all of the reasonable and valid replies here, the harsh and not so hard worded ones (maybe put a short not so harsh sounding one on top), including the ones that point out obvious neglect and the legal conseqences, complete with the headings and dates. You can probably copy to Word without the profile names and even edit out any items that indicate the comments are about them specifically. Mail them or even better just drop them in their mailbox so that they feel this info is coming from a close neighbor or friend and you have no doubt it was received. Include a note that says "Love can make you selfish but there is no excuse for neglect, there is not a doubt you are in this situation and you need to say your goodbyes NOW...." If they continue the suffering, you should go with the suggestion to contact the proper authority and say so in the note if you like. It's not like then they weren't warned of the legal consequences of their actions (or lack of action). My reply might be different had it been seen by a vet recently and been allowed to go home from there. | |
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| how do you go about gentley telling someone their dog needs to be put down? Posted: 9/11/2007 11:46:34 AM | Grind up about a cup of pure cacao and make it a nice little meal. No problems. My parents have two dachshunds both of which are sixteen years old. Completely blind, deaf, no bowel control, constant diarrhea and vomiting, one's rear legs dislocate on a weekly basis. The list goes on forever. I hear Ibuprofen does a dog real fast as well. It just floods the brain. Fast, simple, and I suppose painless. It must feel like a migraine for a minute and that is all. unfortunately laws are so odd about pets and their owners. Some states if they think your dog is past it's years they can and WILL bust down your door, slap a jail sentence on you and take the dog off to be put down anyway. I am completely appalled by animal cruelty however if I were in such a state... Being butchered alive might be a better trade-off. I am not suggesting murder, maybe by making a mountain out of a molehill might do the trick. I dunno. I have seen a case a few houses down where their dog had half the problems of my folks. Two squad cars of animal police armed with M16 assault rifles and Mossberg 500 shotguns loaded and at gun point arrested the owner because the dog would often be seen by neighbors who felt it was suffering. It was old and blind but apparently that awarded my neighbor with a year long jail sentence and a hefty fine. True the animal may not feel pain sometimes but I don't recall comatose victims complaining either.
Hope I did something. Probably not. lol Good luck. | |
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| how do you go about gentley telling someone their dog needs to be put down? Posted: 9/11/2007 2:16:18 PM | Well here's another update for all of you that care,
The poor guy is still alive but not doing well. He has stopped walking now, if he has to get to a water dish he drags himself. It took him about 20 minutes to move 10 feet. I spent the weekend at my family's house and I spent the whole time out in the yard with the poor guy. It was brought to my attention that I had forgotten to state his age... He will be 16 in December (if he makes it that far) and he is a shepherd cross. This old guy has been around since I was 6 years old and I used to play with him every weekend. I know this dog better than his owners do. I was the one that took him out to play when they lived in a subdivision. I'd take him to the hill behind their house in the winter and he'd pull me on my sled, in the summer he's drag me around on my rollerblades, we'd play fetch for hours... He was a freak when it came to fetch, he'd bring you a piece of mud or a blade of grass to throw if he couldn't find anything bigger, now if you throw a ball to him he wont even pay attention. He used to bark his brains out until you threw whatever it was that he brought you, it was actually really annoying at times, but now he wont even try to play, and hasn't for a few years. (that's when I knew that there was something wrong with this dog, he was like the energizer bunny, he would never quit!) His stomach is so bloated that it looks like it's going to pop. He's still not eating, except for the mushrooms he finds growing under the trees and the mud and roots of grass chunks that he pulls out of the ground (he doesn't eat the actual grass, just the mud and roots) Another thing I forgot to mention is, I know this is going to sound a little bad, but bare with me. This dog used to be obsessed with beer, almost as much as his ball fettish, meaning he's actually steel beer if it was within reach. If you put your beer on the ground, bench, or anywhere he could reach it, he'd grab it and take off with it. He could hear a beer being opened from a mile away and he'd be right there drooling over your feet until you gave him some, or until he managed to steal it from you. (he'd even sneak up and lick the top of your can/bottle so you'd give it to him) Well the other weekend when I was here they decided to give him some beer (as a pain killer they said) and he wouldn't touch it... If you knew this dog you'd know that he must be really sick if he's not even touching beer. I did manage to get him to eat/drink some food this weekend, I think his mouth may be sore too cause I've tried to get him to eat kibble and he wont, but I decided to go out and buy him some canned food and I mixed one whole can with hot water and made it like a soupy stew and he slurped it all up (could have been cause he's never gotten wet food before so it was new, but he seemed to like it) I told his owners that they should continue to try to get him to eat some of the wet food everyday, even to soak down his kibbles before they give it to him but they said that if he was hungry he would eat, he's never had a problem with his kibble before, why does it matter now...
I too have worked in a vet's office and I've seen dogs in better shape than this guy being put down because of ailments that were untreatable. If I can figure out how to post a pic of him on here I will. I brushed him yesterday and he was loving it, but I found 7 more lumps on his bellly and back. he also has a few on his face that don't look friendly, they kind of look like warts, moles, pimples, skin tags, all rolled into one. The last time he saw the vet she said that he should be put down in a few months... That was 4 years ago. I did offer to take him to the vet for a check up because they only have pickup trucks and it's hard to get him in them, but they said that there was no point cause the vet would just tell them there's nothing they can do for him and it would be a waste of money to take him. Plus he's always been afraid of the vet and taking him there now would probably kill him. I decided at the beginning of the summer that I'd take him to the beach for a good swim cause that way he could still fetch (like he loved to do) and the swimming would be a lot easier on him than walking or running. I finally got him in my car and we started driving, but he was shaking so bad that I thought he was having a seizure so I turned around and took him home... he got out of the car, went to his dog house, and went to sleep. this dog also used to love car rides so i was a little suprised that he didn't like it. I called the vet just to get a price and they said that to have someone come out, euthanize him, get him privately cremated and for us to get his ashes back, it would cost aproximate $315 Canadian. I don't think that's too bad, but they seem to think that's a little much to pay.
(I have to admit that I've been sneaking him glucosamine and advil everytime I see him to help a little with the pain and stiffness.)
Well I think that's enough insight for you so you understand why I'm so upset that he's still alive. I will keep you updated as to what happens with him though. thanks for all your input! | |
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| how do you go about gentley telling someone their dog needs to be put down? Posted: 9/11/2007 3:19:23 PM | http://neuro.vetmed.ufl.edu/neuro/DM_Web/DMofGS.htm
Paws, my German Shepard was diagnosed with Degenerative Myelopathy. Unfortunately she was also diagnosed with Cancer at the same time. I felt I had no choice to do, what these people are refusing to do for their poor dog. Before I knew about her cancer, as the blood work hadnt come back, I figured I could change her diet , exercise and give her some homopathic remedys, that might slow down the progression of the disease. That was unil I found out the only treatment for her form of cancer was chemo, with only an extension of life by a few months, if it worked! I decided she could not go through the treatments to extend her life by a few months, if the treatment and also this unknown (until that point) disease too.
What I was told by my vet was that this disease, also known as canine MS , makes a dog, in many cases German Shepard dog, lose all sensation of first their hind quarters, then it moves up the spine, into their front legs. And then they can not walk at all. They lose all use of their legs. Then it attacks the bladder, and then the remaining organs, until it kills them . To me that sounds like a horrendous outlook for any dog. Imagine , as you said, this poor dog has enjoyed all of life. And then all the sudden little by little his body just starts giving up on him. I am not sure if this MS is painful, as they lose all sensation as they lose the use of limbs, but it has got to be so emotionally upsetting for this poor boy. I would guess by your last post, if it is this, it is now moving up his spine, as he is dragging himself.
My girl had also cancer and very-very painful stomach pain, and loss of appetite etc. etc. She was sooooo unhappy, it broke my heart. She would get up and fall over. She always had hip pain and gloucosamine was a regular in her diet. But this was not arthritis or hip displasia, this was worse. It would eventually attack all of her organs. Now that sounds painful to me. I did not want to euthanize her, as you can only imagine, and she wasnt even ten years old yet. This canine MS is often mis-diagnosed as hip displasia, because it is not that often thought of. I know I never heard of it before. I reasearched it, and found out what I could do to extend the period, though the end result would be the same. Until I found out about the cancer, and to me, that was enough suffering for my girl. She was miserable, because she could not protect us, she took her job as watch dog very seriously. She could not even walk out to the yard, to relax in the sun, without falling over. I was litterally carrying her most of the way. Not unlike this boy, it sounds.
This is why I say these people have to have this dog checked out, or someone has to report it. Even if he isnt in pain, which I have no doubt he is, with Cancer. He is miserable, and helpless and sad. The poor thing just wants to lay there and die. He needs somebodies help.
I wanted to send you an e-mail instead of writing all of this on the forum, but your restrictions would not allow me to. I put the link on the top of this post, so you can read about this disease, incase you want to know, what exactly it is. I know you own a dog daycare, so if for no other reason, I am sure you will find it interesting. But it could very well be, that this old boy, has the two things that took my girl away from me. | |
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| how do you go about gentley telling someone their dog needs to be put down? Posted: 9/11/2007 3:49:16 PM | Thank you summerbout for your insight. I didn't know that dogs could get MS, or doggy MS. Now that you say that, and list some of the symptoms, that definately sounds like what he has. The vet did tell his owners 4 years ago that he had hip dysplacia and arthritis but now as he's getting older and his problems are getting much worse, I believe you are right, he's probably got this Degenerative Myelopathy desease. I will print off that website and give it to this guy's owners and see what they say after that. Maybe it will hit home because MS runs in our family and we do have a few members of our family who are suffering from it right now, so maybe that will open their eyes to his suffering and then maybe they will be more willing to listen and understand why I say it's time for him to go. Thanks again and I'll let you all know tomorrow how they take this new info. | |
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| how do you go about gently telling someone their dog needs to be put down? Posted: 9/11/2007 7:51:05 PM | Dogs can get a lot of the same medical issues humans can. I know of a neighbors dog who was diagnosed with epileptic seizures.
15 is very old and unusual for a dog. My first dog, the family pet, lived to 15 and the end was a little rough. She would go downstairs and then bark to come back up... first few times I thought she wanted to be carried. Later I realized she barked because her cataracts had gotten so bad she could not tell if the door at the top of the stairs was open or shut!
Finally one evening she had trouble breathing, went by her bowl and tried to stay standing as she died. I held her, told her I loved her and that everything would be alright. I wrapped her in her favorite blanket, put her outside, and buried her below a tree in the back yard the next day.
We used to give her aspirin in her food. When I came home from college she had huge growths(tumors?) across her back, like several basketballs. I said put her down but my sister selfishly wanted her alive. A thousand dollars later afte surgery that left her looking like they had cut her completely out of her skin and put a new dog in... I mean the scar was literally that long. About 3/4ths of her body length. She lived for years afterwards much to my surprise!
pawsforthecause, it's a good thing you are doing and trying to do. I totally know what you mean when you say the owners don't know their own dog as well as you do. For years a neighbor's dog "Pepper" for her black and white fur, also one brown eye and one blue eye, would follow me on my walks when I left my house. Eventually the dog would sit on my concrete steps like it belonged to me rather than them(because they cared so little and that walk was maybe the only real attention that dog got). Finally this musician went away on a gig one weekend and the only light on in their whole house was one in the laundry room(with a floor drain) of their basement. I suspect the dog died there, all alone and heartbroken.
I would have gladly taken care of her, for nothing, when he went out of town. But some people's pride prevents them from even asking! You need to find a way around their pride. That gentle dog did not deserve to die like that, probably confined in the room with the floor drain.
What is your sense of why the owners won't put her down? You need to find a way around their pride be it a bullet or poison or a pillow over its head while it sleeps. If the dog does not drink it will be dead within three days now. | |
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| how do you go about gentley telling someone their dog needs to be put down? Posted: 9/11/2007 10:58:11 PM |
If you really wanted to, you could likely tip off the local SPCA as to what's happening, and they could go in, and seize the animal for neglect.
I totally agree with this suggestion if you cannot find another way to communicate with them that their dog is suffering. This may sound harsh as i do believe the guardian really does love their dog and just can't let go but the DOG IS SUFFERING.
I have had many friends in this same situation not knowing what to do and when it is time and the ones who waited too long with the dog/cat suffering because they couldn't let go, actually had many regrets long after that they didn't do it sooner. Retrospect can be haunting in these cases.
As a witness to this situation and knowing the suffering, do the compassionate thing for both the dog and the guardian and tell them or call the SPCA asap. | |
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| how do you go about gentley telling someone their dog needs to be put down? Posted: 9/12/2007 9:51:14 AM | Well last night I printed off the info that was posted by summerbout and i gave it to them. we read over it together and they have agreed, that if I pay for half of the vet bill, they will have the vet come out to the house to have a look at him and see if they think that's what it is. If all goes well with the vet I'm hoping that she will tell them that they have to put him down. I made his appointment for next friday, the 21st of September, so if things don't happen before then I will let you all know how it goes.
Thank you all for your helpful hints, I did also mention that if someone from the SPCA or animal control did come out that they would most likely seize him and put him down anyways and that they would probably much rather have him die at home than in the back of a van/truck. I think they are finally realizing how bad he is now, so here's keeping our fingers crossed that the vet tells them they have to put him down. | |
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| how do you go about gentley telling someone their dog needs to be put down? Posted: 9/12/2007 1:32:23 PM | Paws, I am so glad you were able to convince them to have the dog looked at. Maybe if the vet agrees with you, that is what needs to be done to help this poor boy , they will be more willing to listen. It is sad, I feel bad for the dog. Since it came down to you having to offer to pay half, it sadly sounds like the expense was part of the reason why they put off doing anything. Thank you from this boy and all of us doglovers for making them listen , when they tried to look the other way. The 21st is still a ways off , and there is still a chance he may not make it until then, so I guess now it is in God's hands. If he is that bad, I wish the poor thing would just fall asleep, and it would be over. I just hope he doesnt have to suffer too much until the vet comes to see him. Thanks too for letting us know the progress , up to this point. | |
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| how do you go about gentley telling someone their dog needs to be put down? Posted: 9/13/2007 10:23:07 AM | Well last night Ozzi had a seizure, not a bad one, but it was enough to shake him up a bit. He's been moving very slowly today (I'm staying with my family right now just to keep an eye on this poor guy). I think I may call the vet again today and find out if they can come sooner rather than later because I doubt he'll make it until the 21st, plus I'd rather him be put down nicely where he just gets a little needle and falls asleep rather than passing of a seizure or something worse.
Thank you for all of your concern and I will let you know what the vet says and when he goes.... | |
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| how do you go about gentley telling someone their dog needs to be put down? Posted: 9/14/2007 9:57:46 AM | I'm glad you got the family to agree to the vet visit. God its tearing me up inside thinking of that poor fella. He sounds like he was an amazing dog, a fantastic friend, and such a good guy. It's just time to do what's right for him, I thank you for all your efforts and helping the family to understand whats right. I'm sure it's painful for them as well.
Please keep us updated and let us know when the old fella is finally at rest. My thoughts are with him, hoping he doesn't suffer until then. | |
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| how do you go about gentley telling someone their dog needs to be put down? Posted: 9/17/2007 3:01:54 PM | Well Ozzi has taken a turn for the worst. He's not walking at all anymore. They have dicided to just let the vet put him down on friday rather than just coming out for a check-up. It's going to be hard for all of us, but it's best. they have finally realized how bad it is now, he fell down 3 times just trying to walk 5 feet on saturday so they have dicided that the time has come for him. I told them that if it was a money issue that I would pay for the whole thing. I also asked the vet to have him privately cremated cause i would like to keep his ahses. (they just said to get rid of the body) It's going to cost $320 so that's not too bad, I thought it was going to be a lot more.
I will quickly give an update on friday after he's gone, just to let you all know that he is gone. Thanks for all your concern, comments, and helpfull hints. | |
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| how do you go about gentley telling someone their dog needs to be put down? Posted: 9/24/2007 9:07:30 AM | Well Ozzi is gone now, his offical DOD is friday, september 21st at 4:52pm. Eventhough the vet said that it takes about 10 seconds from the time the put the needle in to the time he passes, it took about a minute and a half for him to actually let go. He knew it was happening, he looked at my brother (who was there) and the other family members, then he looked back at me (I was sitting behind him) and he stared at me for a few seconds, then he put his head down and that was it. it was sad, but at the same time I felt a huge load off my shoulders, I know he's not suffering anymore and he's thanking us for finally going through with it.
Thank you all for thinking about him and sharing your kind words and just helping me come up with an idea as to show these people that it really was time. | |
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| how do you go about gentley telling someone their dog needs to be put down? Posted: 9/24/2007 9:16:56 AM | Just this side of heaven is a place called Rainbow Bridge.
When an animal dies that has been especially close to someone here, that pet goes to Rainbow Bridge. There are meadows and hills for all of our special friends so they can run and play together. There is plenty of food, water and sunshine, and our friends are warm and comfortable.
All the animals who had been ill and old are restored to health and vigor; those who were hurt or maimed are made whole and strong again, just as we remember them in our dreams of days and times gone by. The animals are happy and content, except for one small thing; they each miss someone very special to them, who had to be left behind.
They all run and play together, but the day comes when one suddenly stops and looks into the distance. His bright eyes are intent; His eager body quivers. Suddenly he begins to run from the group, flying over the green grass, his legs carrying him faster and faster.
You have been spotted, and when you and your special friend finally meet, you cling together in joyous reunion, never to be parted again. The happy kisses rain upon your face; your hands again caress the beloved head, and you look once more into the trusting eyes of your pet, so long gone from your life but never absent from your heart.
Then you cross Rainbow Bridge together....
Author Unknown
You did the right thing. I'm sorry for your loss but Ozzie will wait for all of you. Thanks for keeping us updated. | |
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| how do you go about gentley telling someone their dog needs to be put down? Posted: 9/24/2007 5:59:25 PM | A Dog's Prayer Treat me kindly, my beloved master, for no heart in all the world is more grateful for kindness than the loving heart of me.
Do not break my spirit with a stick, for though I should lick your hand between the blows, your patience and understanding will more quickly teach me the things you would have me do.
Speak to me often, for your voice is the world's sweetest music, as you must know by the fierce wagging of my tail when your footstep falls upon my waiting ear.
When it is cold and wet, please take me inside... for I am now a domesticated animal, no longer used to bitter elements... and I ask no greater glory than the privilege of sitting at your feet beside the hearth... though had you no home, I would rather follow you through ice and snow than rest upon the softest pillow in the warmest home in all the land... for you are my god... and I am your devoted worshiper.
Keep my pan filled with fresh water, for although I should not reproach you were it dry, I cannot tell you when I suffer thirst. Feed me clean food, that I may stay well, to romp and play and do your bidding, to walk by your side, and stand ready, willing and able to protect you with my life, should your life be in danger.
And, beloved master, should the Great Master see fit to deprive me of my health or sight, do not turn me away from you. Rather hold me gently in your arms as skilled hands grant me the merciful boon of eternal rest...and I will leave you knowing with the last breath I drew, my fate was ever safest in your hands.
--Beth Norman Harris
RIP Ozzie,... peace at last. Good dog. | |
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