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Posted: 1/17/2008 6:40:21 PM |
To keep your ass safe and well...that's what they died for
History says otherwise. The world was a lot safer place before the US interfered in the middle east. Stalin, Roosevelt and Churchill met in Tehran for a conference. Do you see that happening today?. The US has a 50 year history of destabilizing the middle east and Bush has done more to destabilise it than any ther president.
Concerning US contractors....they keep you (and everybody else's kid) from getting drafted
Think about it, the military spends billions on recruiting. If they could draft people they'd save that money. Why do you suppose there's no draft?
Because in an all volunteer army means nobody can complain. And as long as it's comprised of marginalize people there's fresh meat ands new cannon fodder. As soon as you draft the middle, upper middle and richer classes the same thing will happen as happened in Vietnam - game over and the profits stop; at that point the populous cares. And the worse the economy is the more marginalized poeple there are. With the US being the economic disaster it currently is you have to wonder who benefits from this. But you don't have to lok to far - bankers and the war machine that's who. Oh right they're the same people. It's a good thing they aren't in control of what actually happens or you might suspect they're doing this on purpose. Oh right it did happen in 1902, 1920 and 1931.
Think about it, for every one we kill now, thats how many thousands that wont be born in the future.
No, for each one killed there's 3 or 4 with a vendetta, a hatred of America and nothing left to lose. This is a terrorists wet dream. From 1953 to the present moment to country on earth has done more to promote Islamic terrorism than the United states.
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Posted: 1/17/2008 6:50:31 PM |
when we fight a foreign country,we usually grab a piece of land for free and make a base
187 bases in 135 countries so far with 13 more being built in Iraq.
These are the foreign entanglements George Washington warned gravely about and are exactly what caused the downfall of the Roman empire. They had to put so much money into maintaining their presence in foreig lands the econmy back home was ruined.
Hows's the US economy doing right now? Oh yeah, it's pooched. Notice that no other G7 country is doing badly, in fact Canada is dong a bit better than average; you can't blame anybody the global economic climate.
But cheer up, you can tell your kids you were there to watch the decline and fall of the American empire. I hope you can say it in Cantonese. | |
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Posted: 2/5/2008 11:30:04 PM | sad? mis informed? do you talk/chat with 'em over there? I do....every day....
And yes...Clinton got us into this...at least this second one....perhaps even the first.
Nobody will ever knowhe truth because nobody really knows the truth...they just spout talking points from wherever the hell they get 'em from...and claim them as gospel....
The libs pointing their fingers at the cons...while the cons (conservative to you), sit back and take it....
And NO there won't be "an end" to this war until the iraqis get off their
asses and start defending themselves against their own...or some other muslim fanatic....and even then...IF a miracle should occur and they DO actually grow a brain and get ambitious...we'll be there til hell freezes over ...(see Korea, Germany, Japan...and probably a few other places) But until they stop thinking their "mosques" (you know, those 6 times a day thingies) are the government over there....they won't do it....why? because they believe everything they hear...sound familiar?????? And don't try to tell me it's a frickin religion...we don't need any more religion in this world...we need people with brains...the kind that don't follow each other off the cliff...or are not so frickin greedy (my part of the religion is better than your part)...in essence all they're having is a pissing contest...with us cleaning the bathrooms. That's, of course, if they KNOW what a bathroom is. Can you say bathroom...
But it would also help if our media didn't instigate a lot of what's going on over there....you know...traitors?????
and there will always be bad guys in this world....always....it's called free will (to be a good guy or a bad guy)....
This is in essence trying to be better than the Joneses next door..one upmanship....as I recall , we did the same thing for over 100 years after we were formed...you read your history, right? You passed it? The Brits kept sticking their nose in where it didn't belong ....well...they did it again right after WW2 and formed up this imperfect country we now know as iraq,.....this time...they're trying to actually fix what they screwed up...but that's debatable...oh never mind...you're a lib anyway....it's useless trying to make you comprehend the REAL history of the area. And until we do, we can't help them solve their problems without killin somebody....sorry I went thru all this trouble for nothing...
But try getting on skype and searching for our guys over there...ask them what THEY think of the situation as they now know it. | |
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Posted: 2/5/2008 11:59:26 PM | sad? mis informed?
And then this .......
Clinton got us into this...at least this second one....perhaps even the first.
That is so sad it's funny, then followed up with:
And NO there won't be "an end" to this war until the iraqis get off their asses and start defending themselves against their own.
and it's the US that is the invading force that pushed the country into civil war for it's own purposes and now you blame the people for not attacking the ones trying to get the out of their country.
Outstanding .......... and for a finale :
because they believe everything they hear...sound familiar??????
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Posted: 2/6/2008 1:36:24 AM |
Isn't 187 the police code for murder?????
How ironic, it would appear that in the US it is, as well as slang for it:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/187_(murder) | |
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Posted: 2/6/2008 1:43:11 AM | But try getting on skype and searching for our guys over there...ask them what THEY think of the situation as they now know it.
Ok, I did. They said it's hot, the dope is great and they don't understand why they're still there in the middle of a civil war between the shia and sunni.
They also said anyone who thinks US soldiers should be there is a "fucking nutjob that doesn't understand shit" | |
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Posted: 2/6/2008 2:04:02 AM | I bet they have better access to heroin there then those that rode the white tiger in Vietnam. And I hear the Hashish is better then Thai bud.
A gateway to a whole new world. Personally I wouldn't mind trying some raw opium, eating it. Smoking it your supposed to see the dragon. A person could do both before prohibition. ??? Follow the money.
Luckily though those kids over there would never smoke a little opium in a country that doesn't have alcohol they will wait for they're R&R and get drunk. | |
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Posted: 2/6/2008 9:03:12 PM |
Ok, I did. They said it's hot, the dope is great and they don't understand why they're still there in the middle of a civil war between the shia and sunni.
Because the US troops, under the direction of the US government with the support of it's citizens invaded and destroyed a country for it's own means; in doing so created a power vacuum that they knew would destroy the country, as it helps spread the blame to Iran.
Now they are caught in the mess of their own doings, and it's the Iraqi people who have to pay the price for US (typical) ignorance and aggression. The only people who are denying that are the ones that haven't been there or listen to people like BillO to make them feel better about believing the lies.
Yet still, you get americans posting here (as above) saying "When the Iraqi people sort themselves out" ...... pathetic, it's america, it's army and it's people that have done this in the first place, and continue to let it happen. The so called "insurgents" are people defending their country from an occupier.
If only the roles were reversed and it was Iraqi troops in a position of military power rolling though the streets of NYC, kidnapping and shouting at people in Arabic to do what they wanted before taking them to torture camps ......... oh how the cries of "freedom fighters" and not "insurgents" would come out then .......
As for the black water and other hired killers & torturers being paid by the US to do as they please, that's a whole different and even worse state of affairs.
There was no plan, but to invade, destabilise and to capture and protect the oil, as they have done. From that point of view its was ideal.
They also said anyone who thinks US soldiers should be there is a "****ing nutjob that doesn't understand shit"
That should of been there in the first place I think is the poignant bit ..........
As for the OP, the documentary was some what balanced though not really graphic enough to show the actual physical side of it over there I thought; or engaged the people enough to show the massive increase in suffering that the US has inflicted on them by destroying their country and it's physical and social infrastructure, without a care in the world, or a thought to what to put in it's place, apart from blame, just to add insult to injury. | |
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Posted: 2/8/2008 2:07:58 PM | | I have seen the documentary and it is eye opening so was Baghdad hospital and Gunner palace apologies if this is a thread hijack but for those interested I highly recommend reading chasing ghosts Failures and Facades In Iraq: A soldier's perspective by paul rieckoff.Or Generation Kill by Evan Wright. | |
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Posted: 2/8/2008 7:06:26 PM | I read all of the comments on this forum.
I conclude that this situation is a very bery big mess.
Sadam Hussein was a brutal leader. Nevertheless, I do believe that the inevitability of the civil war was there. (Sort of like a volcano ready to erupt at any time...)
Honestly, it was a matter of time.
The US decision on invading Irak basically made the volcano erupt. The US needed an excuse hence the weapons of mass destruction (that were never found by the way) and the 9/11 attack on US soil, was the perfect timing from the US 's pespective to go and destroy a country in a far away place to show their strenght???... The whole process backfired on them....
There is one man that I VERY much admired... He is Colonel Powell. I understand that he stepped down because I believe he just could not play along with the lies and bullshit from the white house... (That is what I heard in the news through political analysts...)
I found it very commical to replace a man of that caliber with Condolisa Rice. I mean, women have lower value than livestock in the middle east. I also was told by a middle easter man that in many places in the middle east, the darker the skin of the woman, the "less" value she has.
What is about to follow is only from my perspective, and I do not mean to be racist or unpolitically correct.... Just an honest opinion from a bored woman still fighting with the snow monster... (Ontario, Canada)...
Anyway, here is a petite black woman who is going to these tribal leaders, kings, princes ruling very much like medieval ways, (where there is no democracy...), and she goes there to tell them that they must learn to "work and play nice" with each other.
This just cracks me up... 
I realize that the US is a superpower... They may make themselves believe they will win the war or wars they create but not once have I seen that they have clearly won any battles. I come from an interesting background. In my neck of the woods, if you are going to "war" then go for the kill. Finish the job and deal with your guilt. Hopefully, you took the best decision for the time it happened. (It is easy to clearly see the problem after the fact.)
It seems that the US 's war strategies are good at creating havock but always stop short of following through.
Also, the animosity towards american citizens throughout the world is problematic.
At least, the little I have seen throughout my travels.
Like a poster said .... Follow the money... I mean, I do not want to sound rude, but since when did the US do anything for anyone if there was no oil, money or whatever else they needed.
Let's not forget, the US is a CAPITALIST country. Sadly, only money matters.
I see that there is some level of change though. I mean, the Roman Empire collapsed...
Again, I do not mean to insult any law abiding american citizen. I am only offering a perspective from my angle.
My heart goes to all the suffering people in those countries. The soldiers are brave. I hope their moral is good. I mean considering the mess their government put them in.
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Posted: 2/10/2008 4:36:05 PM |
Honestly, it was a matter of time.
Not at all.
It seems that the US 's war strategies are good at creating havock but always stop short of following through.
Stop short ............. mind telling that to a million dead and four million displaced Iraqis ........... | |
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Posted: 2/10/2008 5:06:19 PM | There may come a great day where the consciousness of mankind abandons the futility of war for the sake of his own soul; the only part of us that survives life on earth, our greatest treasure, yet we stain it with hate and murder so it is unacceptable and incompatible with a higher state of existence.
There is hope for change but it is only through acceptance of the true reason we remain existent in this demon infested reality; and mustering the strength to resist the forces that hold us here. | |
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Posted: 2/11/2008 8:18:55 AM |
And NO there won't be "an end" to this war until the iraqis get off their asses and start defending themselves against their own...or some other muslim fanatic....and even then...IF a miracle should occur and they DO actually grow a brain and get ambitious...we'll be there til hell freezes over ...
That's what the opponents to this war have been pointing out over and over again. The one's making the excuses were this administration. You' know, the ones that said it was going great until.....it wasn't.
The ones that didn't like timetables.
(see Korea, Germany, Japan...and probably a few other places)
Wrong comparison. None of those places had insurgent movements, and all of them had their military (even the Nazis and Japanese) involved in security early on. Unlike Iraq, where that same army was fired by Bremer, they simply vetted out the bad guys and kept the rest to assist in control.
I guess that's one of the reasons they worked out so well. Who knew ?
But until they stop thinking their "mosques" (you know, those 6 times a day thingies) are the government over there....they won't do it....why? because they believe everything they hear...sound familiar?????? And don't try to tell me it's a frickin religion...we don't need any more religion in this world...we need people with brains...the kind that don't follow each other off the cliff...or are not so frickin greedy (my part of the religion is better than your part)...in essence all they're having is a pissing contest...with us cleaning the bathrooms.
This coming from someone who lives in a country where the President actually think God placed him in power ?
The same one that told the world that democracy is God's gift to the world ?
President George W. Bush stood before a cheering crowd at a Dallas Christian youth centre last week, and told them about being 'born again' as a Christian.
'If you change their heart, then they change their behaviour. I know,' he said, referring to his own conversion, which led to him giving up drinking.
Behind Bush were two banners. 'King of Kings', proclaimed one. 'Lord of Lords', said the other. The symbolism of how fervent Christianity has become deeply entwined with the most powerful man on the planet could not have been stronger.
Few US Presidents have been as openly religious as Bush. Now a new book has lifted the lid on how deep those Christian convictions run. It will stir up controversy at a time when the administration is keen to portray its 'war on terror' as non-religious.
The book, which depicts a President who prays each day and believes he is on a direct mission from God, will give ammunition to critics who claim Bush's administration is heavily influenced by extremist Christians.
Bush is already under fire for allowing the appointment of General William Boykin to head the hunt for Osama bin Laden. Boykin, who speaks at evangelical Christian meetings, once said the war on terror was a fight against Satan, and also told a Somali warlord that, 'My God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God and his was an idol.'
Bush has also been accused of a 'creeping Christianisation' of federal government programmes. In September, the government made more than $60 billion available for religious charitable groups. Critics say the groups will be able to use the cash to promote their religion. One group that benefited from previous grants was an Iowa prison project that entitled inmates to televisions, private bathrooms and computers - in return for Christian counselling.
Now Bush is likely to face intense scrutiny. The book, The Faith of George W. Bush, was written by Christian author Stephen Mansfield. It details numerous incidents where Bush's faith has been shown to be at the centre of his political thinking.
Among Mansfield's revelations is his insistence that Bush and Tony Blair have prayed together at a private meeting at Camp David. Blair has previously denied this.
Mansfield, however, says that, while there were no witnesses, aides were left in little doubt as to what had happened. He told The Observer: 'There is no question they have shared scripture and prayed together.'
The book also shows that in the lead-up to announcing his candidacy for the presidency, Bush told a Texan evangelist that he had had a premonition of some form of national disaster happening.
Bush said to James Robinson: 'I feel like God wants me to run for President. I can't explain it, but I sense my country is going to need me. Something is going to happen... I know it won't be easy on me or my family, but God wants me to do it.'
In another incident, Mansfield recounts how, on Palm Sunday last year, Bush was flying back from El Salvador aboard the presidential jet Air Force One and seemed to be destined to miss church.
However, knowing that Bush hated to miss a service, some officials suggested they worship in the air. Bush agreed, and soon 40 officials were crammed into the plane's conference room. The service was led by National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice, while the lesson was read by close Bush aide Karen Hughes.
The author also proves anecdotes about Bush that had previously been dismissed as false. Rumours that he had prayed with a young soldier who had lost a hand in Iraq were thought to be myth, but Mansfield tracked down witnesses and a hospital chaplain who said that Bush had prayed with the man, ending by kissing him on the forehead and telling him he loved him. 'For me, that sums up Bush's beliefs. He really believes Jesus is taken up in his heart and soul,' Mansfield said.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/nov/02/usa.religion
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Posted: 2/12/2008 7:53:43 PM | 2/12/08 ; Great News !! I accidently viewed some of Pat Robertson's 700 Club today
he's got the latest skinny ~ Things are going great in Iraq today ~ Film footage showed happy people with big smiles, dressed in sheets and towels helping Gi's ~ do ~~~ things?.
That ~~~ it might be hard to believe ~~~~ but this very neighborhood was a hot bed of violence just 48 hours ago ~ and now ~ street vendor and happy faced towns people are out moving about and finally understanding GI good ~ al Quada bad! ~ And the American people will also begin to understand what George Bush has been trying to do ~~ all along.
I just knew ~ everyone would ~~ be ~~~~~~~~~~~ happy hearing that. I could hardly wait to tell you ~ ~dar | |
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Posted: 2/25/2008 2:59:16 AM | Damned straight...we own the night and the day in iraq now...however, there are hotspots popping up all over the frickin place..Africa has 3 alone.
just read a thingy on how the muslims plan on taking over small part of european countries, including israel, spain, france(goes without saying), and the list goes on.....the muslims plan on taking over the entire world a little bit at a time. If israel makes the mistake and sides with the muslim takeovers (by adding their name to a list of those countries who approve of such things)....europe is GONE...
And you know who's paying for these small takeovers? Saudi Arabia....lock, stock and barrel. We are not bothered in iraq anymore except for a few lobbed mortars...just to keep us on our toes and give the libs here in usa something to **** about. Not to mention make Bush look bad. (Hell, they've already started in on McCain - but are repubs fighting back? No...we take our lumps - true or imagined - and go on with business....the libs are reduced to the equivalent of pesky mosquitoes...only around to remind you it's summer time)...
If you wish I will post the article....it isn't that long and is OH SO informative. The step by step process the insurgents have (and Saudi Arabia) is laid out in that article. Even tells you which countries are next.
If our guys are not allowed to cut their hot water off to a cold drip....we're all dead, or speaking Arabic...which would you prefer. I say let our guys do their thing, leave 'em alone without any criticism...they know best. We're just armchair quarterbacks...."Bush shoulda done this....he shoulda done that"...well, woulda shoulda coulda don't get anybody anywhere. If the libs hd a better idea, why didn't announce it instead of taking their hate out on Bush (instead of the enemies we have)....otherwise, they need to shut up and sit down and learn how adults do things ....stop acting their shoe size...and trying to find every little detail that they "would have done different"..well, now they're in power..and they haven't lifted a finger. That smacks of stupidity. We can cure ignorance (hell, even the iraqis - some of them - came to their senses...but stupidity is terminal...and our libs and their insurgents are travelling the same road....can you spell traitor?
I've chatted with our guys and even Iraqis ....for over 2 years...what have you done (addressing the libs and the media)....not a damned thing except **** and find fault with the only person who had an idea (good or bad doesn't matter - having an idea is paramount and shows SOME intelligence) | |
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Posted: 2/25/2008 3:16:33 AM |
just read a thingy on how the muslims plan on taking over small part of european countries, including israel, spain, france(goes without saying), and the list goes on.....the muslims plan on taking over the entire world a little bit at a time. If israel makes the mistake and sides with the muslim takeovers (by adding their name to a list of those countries who approve of such things)....europe is GONE...
Heh this is an interesting new version of the "Jewish conspiracy" except it's muslims now. Tell me, how do you have this incredible insight on what all Muslims are thinking? Does every muslim get a handbook? Did you get a copy of this manuscript? or are you just reading too many free republic/christian evangelist newsletters, when was the last time you were in fact in europe for that matter?
And you know who's paying for these small takeovers? Saudi Arabia....lock, stock and barrel. We are not bothered in iraq anymore except for a few lobbed mortars...just to keep us on our toes and give the libs here in usa something to **** about.
Actually the US in january had it's first increase in fatalities in awhile, I suppose you minimizing that as "a few lobbed Mortars" probably just shows the usual level of support from Republicans.
Not to mention make Bush look bad.
The guy just hit less than 20% aproval rating, and your economy is in the dumps. If you think that Iraqi insurgents give a crap about a president who isn't going to be in power no matter what in a year, you need to give your head a shake. Either that or you just wrote poorly and you are saying the Liberals want to make Bush look bad, well hell the shody state of both Iraq and the USA does that quite nicely now doesn't it?
(Hell, they've already started in on McCain - but are repubs fighting back? No...we take our lumps - true or imagined - and go on with business....the libs are reduced to the equivalent of pesky mosquitoes...only around to remind you it's summer time)...
Yes yes the Republicans never "Fight back" jesus lady what world do you live in? I guess you didn't see all the Republicans shitting themselves over Michelle Obama's comments, including editing her speech to make it sound worse? Or how about the constanty Hillary hate machine. Hey who do you think buys these t-shirts democrats?
http://www.thoseshirts.com/anti-hillary-shirts.html
If our guys are not allowed to cut their hot water off to a cold drip....we're all dead, or speaking Arabic...which would you prefer. I say let our guys do their thing, leave 'em alone without any criticism...they know best.
You have no evidence for this entire "all dead or speaking Arabic" nonsense, but you've already shown a pretty poor grasp of the situation with this post.
We're just armchair quarterbacks...."Bush shoulda done this....he shoulda done that"...well, woulda shoulda coulda don't get anybody anywhere.
The bullshit component of this phrase is that some of us were stating that the Iraq was was a bad idea before the invasion. Now you pretend that nobody was saying that and "Who could have known?" You know who knew? The peace protestors, the international community, France, Germany, and every country that said it was a stupid idea. Better an armchair quarterback than a cheerleader who can't stand to admit they were wrong.
If the libs hd a better idea, why didn't announce it instead of taking their hate out on Bush (instead of the enemies we have)....
Bush has shown himself to be worse for your country than any Iraqi. After all, how many Iraqis were on the planes on 9/11? How many constitutional freedoms were over ridden due to Iraqi people?
otherwise, they need to shut up and sit down and learn how adults do things ....stop acting their shoe size...and trying to find every little detail that they "would have done different"..well, now they're in power..and they haven't lifted a finger.
Well actually they arn't in power, they can't pass anything in the face of a veto, and they know it.
That smacks of stupidity. We can cure ignorance (hell, even the iraqis - some of them - came to their senses...but stupidity is terminal...and our libs and their insurgents are travelling the same road....can you spell traitor?/quote]
LOL welcome to 2008, Now WMD's were found, Iraq is a freaking mess, the US economy is in shambles, wiretaps without warants, torture of people who've never faced a trial, 18% aproval rate.
Calling people a traitor for not supporting your idiot president only makes you look foolish. Your post is full of absolute innacuracies and an almost scary level of dellusional thinking in regards to the political process. Which I suppose is how you end up being one of the 18% who actually support Bush. | |
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Posted: 2/25/2008 5:27:57 PM | .
We are not bothered in iraq anymore except for a few lobbed mortars...just to keep us on our toes and give the libs here in usa something to **** about. Not to mention make Bush look bad.
Do you have access to any accurate information?
55 minutes ago
As of Monday, Feb. 25, 2008, at least 3,972 members of the U.S. military have died since the beginning of the Iraq war in March 2003, according to an Associated Press count. The figure includes eight military civilians. At least 3,228 died as a result of hostile action, according to the military's numbers.
The AP count is four higher than the Defense Department's tally, last updated Monday at 10 a.m. EST.
The British military has reported 174 deaths; Italy, 33; Ukraine, 18; Poland, 21; Bulgaria, 13; Spain, 11; Denmark, seven; El Salvador, five; Slovakia, four; Latvia, three; Estonia, Netherlands, Thailand, Romania, two each; and Australia, Hungary, Kazakhstan, South Korea, one death each.
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The latest deaths reported by the military:
• No deaths reported.
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The latest identifications reported by the military:
• Marine Lance Cpl. Drew W. Weaver, 20, St. Charles, Mo., died Thursday during combat in Anbar province; assigned to the 3rd Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion, 1st Marine Division, I Marine Expeditionary Force, Twentynine Palms, Calif.
• Army Spc. Keisha M. Morgan, 25, Washington, D.C., died Friday in Baghdad of a non-combat related cause; assigned to the Division Special Troops Battalion, 4th Infantry Division, Fort Hood, Texas.
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On the Net:
http://www.defenselink.mil/news/
Suicide Bomber Kills 40 at Iraq Highway Rest Stop
By SOLOMON MOORE and SABRINA TAVERNISE
Published: February 25, 2008
BAGHDAD — A suicide bomber on Sunday attacked a crowd of Shiite pilgrims heading toward the city of Karbala to visit the Shrine of Imam Hussein, killing at least 40 people and wounding at least 100, Iraqi officials said. The American military said that at least 60 people had been wounded.
"Funny" bombs going off everyday more american and iraqis dying I'm glad to hear the U.S.military is not "bothered in Iraq anymore.
Oh Turkey was in Iraq today also...By Sam Dagher
Mon Feb 25, 3:00 AM ET
Amadiyah, Iraq - Peshmerga Gen. Muhammad Mohsen took down his American flag, folded it up, and placed it in his office corner Sunday, reflecting the growing anger in Iraq's Kurdish north with US support for Turkey's campaign against separatist rebels operating in the region.
The intermittent offensive against the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) reached a crescendo Thursday when ground troops crossed into Iraq in a campaign involving nearly 8,000 soldiers. Officials here say it is Turkey's most significant strike against the rebels in more than 10 years.
Frustration over the Turkish incursion cuts across the spectrum. Many average Iraqi Kurds sympathize with the PKK rebels' aim to form an independent Kurdistan and officials say Turkey's real goal is to destabilize its semiautonomous government, the leaders of which have long been American allies.
"We think the United States is making a big mistake," says General Mohsen, who once led Iraqi Kurdish fighters alongside US forces when they entered the northern city of Mosul during the US invasion of Iraq in 2003.
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Posted: 2/28/2008 1:32:55 PM | absolutely...well said - ah the mechanisms of the global scam.
Amazing that the US gov seems surprised they are in a recession when it was planned (rather than ineptness) although not saying the "planners" are the US gov, the manipulations abound | |
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Posted: 2/29/2008 12:06:34 AM | I personally support the war, but I just couldn't help but comment on this post.
Damned straight...we own the night and the day in iraq now
just read a thingy on how the muslims plan on taking over small part of european countries, including israel, spain, france(goes without saying), and the list goes on.....the muslims plan on taking over the entire world a little bit at a time. If israel makes the mistake and sides with the muslim takeovers (by adding their name to a list of those countries who approve of such things)....europe is GONE...
There's a grain of truth somewhere in that mound of BS.
It's true, and not AT ALL a recent development, that radical Islam seeks to create a worldwide Muslim theocracy. But it's obviously not all Muslims.
We are not bothered in iraq anymore except for a few lobbed mortars...just to keep us on our toes and give the libs here in usa something to **** about.
Beyond your ridiculous belief that Iraq is a very secure place, you're suggesting that the (currently Republican) US government allows US troops to be fired at in order to give the opposition party at home (the Democrats), something to rally around? That doesn't make sense even from a conspiracy theory viewpoint.
Not to mention make Bush look bad.
Ah yes, because the political left certainly needs help in that area. (sarcasm)
but are repubs fighting back? No...we take our lumps
You sure about that? The way McCain has people around him referring to "Barack HUSSEIN Obama"? Republicans fight dirty better than anybody else, stop being a sucker for a party.
If our guys are not allowed to cut their hot water off to a cold drip....we're all dead, or speaking Arabic...which would you prefer. I say let our guys do their thing, leave 'em alone without any criticism...they know best.
If they know best then how do you justify your having just given military advice to the rest of us?
Besides, what you're basically suggesting is to give the military a free pass to do whatever they like, cut off from the people. This is a republic, the military is not an independent arm of government.
We're just armchair quarterbacks...."Bush shoulda done this....he shoulda done that"...well, woulda shoulda coulda don't get anybody anywhere.
Actually, it does. As Scott Ritter, former Marine and weapons inspector said in his debate against Christopher Hitchens
I will tell you this: as an intelligence officer who spent 12 years wrestling with difficult issues, including trying to solve difficult problems, you can't solve a problem until you first define the problem. Any solution void of a definition is no solution at all because what is it you're trying to solve?
If the libs hd a better idea, why didn't announce it instead of taking their hate out on Bush (instead of the enemies we have)
Obviously the plan for Iraq wasn't to **** up at seemingly every step of the way. The country trusted the administration to conduct a competent war and they haven't.
....otherwise, they need to shut up and sit down and learn how adults do things ....stop acting their shoe size...
How can you call yourself an American, and I ask that with no drama? What you're asking for is a KING to rule over everybody, and whomever disagrees shouldn't exercise their right to speak, they should sit down and shut up. You're just begging to be ruled over.
well, now they're in power..and they haven't lifted a finger. That smacks of stupidity.
While I agree that the Democrats have been very disappointing to their base, it's important not to underestimate the power of the veto Bush still has.
We can cure ignorance (hell, even the iraqis - some of them - came to their senses...but stupidity is terminal...and our libs and their insurgents are travelling the same road....can you spell traitor?
2004 called, it wants its lame right-wing talking points back. | |
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| Iraq war documentary No End in Sight
Posted: 2/29/2008 9:45:28 PM | I saw it. It was a good documentary. I am cautious to accept it as total fact but even if half of that documentary is true OMG!! I voted for President Bush - twice. Side note: I voted for him BUT I am off the hook because both times I voted for him the electoral votes went to his opponent! LOL!! So don't blame me. :P Back to the point....
I was slightly suspicious about the people who were interviewed - did they have an axe to grind? As I said, if half of this documentary is true (and I believe more than half of this is true) what arrogance and plain stupidity the way it was planned errr not planned!
I was in the first Gulf War and I am pissed we did not take Sadam out then. In fact, it was PERFECT to do so. But Papa Bush played politics and wanted the worlds support and a stupid coalition. We should have done the right thing which was get Iraq out of Kuwait with or without the worlds approval AND capture or kill Sadam. Or get the worlds apporval and coalition then after the war not let Sadam keep his helocopters; Gen Schwartzkoff WTF were u thinking??? Sorry, no need to repeat history. 
The documentary was great. The only thing I did not like was they showed that one of our soldiers called a kid a little shit for throwing a rock at their truck. So what? It's not like the soldier chased the kid or worse shot at him. The soldier kept driving and called him a name. This should not have been in the movie as I felt it had no relevance. Also, I did not like it when they showed our troops rounding up people. Those guys were following orders. Go after their chain of command. Leave the foot soldier alone unless they commit a crime.
I will say I support the war. My support has waivered. But has been restored with the additional troops and decrease in violence. BUT 20,000??? Those 20,ooo should have already been there. Having too many troops would have been better from the begining that not enough.
Good movie, rent it.  and order a pizza too  movie night! | |
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| Iraq war documentary No End in Sight
Posted: 3/1/2008 12:36:54 PM | "I was against the invasion of Iraq from the begining. I thought it was a very bad
idea for a lot of reasons. "
Good. That's common sense, but it's sad that you have to even mention it. Most people should of realized.
" it was a savage regime, "
The secular Baa' athist regime was nothing compared to what the Bush adminstration has installed over there. Believe it or not, Iraq had the highest literacy rate, highest number of PHDs and most modern health care system in the middle east, before they were bombed back into the stone age and education was free (before first gulf war).
"Not because I was wringing my hands about Iraqi's getting killed, I could care less."
So if its not your family getting killed, its ok to be for war right? Sad thing is, most Americans like you aren't against war itself, you're only against war once it starts affecting you personally.
"If we are at war with Islamic Fundamentalism, which we are,"
Actually you're not. Americans are really at war with their current political leaders who are using the war on terror as an excuse to take away all your personal liberties here at home. Aziz with his world war 2 era AK in Fallujah is not a threat to you despite what you may think. What if I told you Bush could suspend the 2008 elections, declare martial law and deploy the military and other militias on American soil against the constitution. Would you believe that? Well, it's true.
"That being said, we are there, and at the very least we are killing Islamic Fundamentalists."
Unfortunately you're not killing these "mythological" super caveman who can avoid all the world's intelligence services in caves in the eurasian continent. Its mainly civilians that pay the price in war, always have mostly and always will sadly.
"They have been streaming in from Syria, and Iran and dying in large numbers. And that is a very, very good thing. "
When a so called insurgent gets killed, a 100 more take their place as in Vietnam. I can't stand when you armchair generals just make these generalized stupid statements that require no actual in depth analysis.
"Till such time that we start to kill them at the source."
East for you to say when you're not in uniform cruising the streets of Iraq right now. Most people in the military are sick of Bush's war and want to come home. Iraq is basically a big pie for rich corporations now to exploit. Hopefully more people will wake up. | |
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| Iraq war documentary No End in Sight
Posted: 3/1/2008 6:42:56 PM | I think JEJE knows exactly what she is talking about. She seems to be in the ear of the president helping him create his policy toward Iraq. They sound as if they are related.
I got a new policy for you JEJE . Why don't we send "wrestlers" of the WWF to Iraq and I'll bet this war will be suplexed in no time. Will get them to surrender their oilfields while Rowdy Roddy Piper holds them in a figure-four-leg-lock. And then George 'the Animal' Steele can piledrive the Iranians all the way to Satan's livingroom. Maybe the British Bulldogs can come off the top rope and dropkick the Saudis. Then The Iron Sheik can put Syria in a camel-clutch while Nikolai Volkoff stomps on their kneecaps. Then all the oil will be free.
Sound rediculous? I'm merely echoing the validity of your comments. | |
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