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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 8/31/2006 8:29:33 PM | | Really now that was way below the belt! Pedifiles are prevalent in all faiths. There are Baptist preacher pedifiles too!!!!!!! and the same goes for the rest of the denominations..... | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 8/31/2006 8:34:17 PM | Lets also not forget the slaughter of the French Heugenots
It was Catherine de Medici who persuaded her weakling son Charles IX to order the mass murder, which lasted three days and spread to the countryside. On Sunday morning August 24th, 1572 she personally walked through the streets of Paris to inspect the carnage. Henry of Navarre's life was spared when he pretended to support the Roman Catholic faith. In 1593 he made his "perilous leap"and abjured his faith in July 1593, and 5 years later he was the undisputed monarch as King Henry IV (le bon Henri, the good Henry) of France.
When the first rumours of the massacre reached the Vatican in Rome on 2 September 1572, pope Gregory XIII was jubilant and wanted bonfires to be lit in Rome. He was persuaded to wait for the official communication. The very morning of the day that he received the confirmed news, the pope held a consistory and announced that "God had been pleased to be merciful". Then with all the cardinals he repaired to the Church of St. Mark for the Te Deum, and prayed and ordered prayers that the Most Christian King might rid and purge his entire kingdom (of France) of the Huguenot plague.
On 8 September 1572 a procession of thanksgiving took place in Rome, and the pope, in a prayer after mass, thanked God for having "granted the Catholic people a glorious triumph over a perfidious race" (gloriosam de perfidis gentibus populo catholico loetitiam tribuisti). | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 9/1/2006 6:18:04 AM | i suppose i must have been about 8...spending the summer with family friends in baltimore. i was playing jacks with the daughter (same age) of these people. as we giggled about school and so on, i said 'and then the nuns made us...(do whatever it was)'
she got this crazed look on her face and shrieked, 'NUNS!?!?!? YOU'RE CATHOLIC!!!!!'
i said, 'well, yeah.' i guess it never dawned on me that not everyone was.
well...she kicked me, threw the jacks at me and wouldn't speak to me the rest of the day.
it was a huge eye-opener. i had not a clue that catholicism was something to hide....that there was something wrong with it...fortunately, i rarely encountered that sort of ignorance again...until yesterday. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 9/1/2006 8:15:16 AM | Lets get this strait. Technically and historically, Catholics are Christian, Eastern Orthodox are Christian, Protestants are Christian,
Now Mormons, ( I know I may get an online spanking for this) but Mormons from what I heard and seen on tv, are NOT Christians, IN AND OF THEMSELVES!! as it relates to their doctrines which are no more Christian then Mohammeds Islam is. NOW this is not saying that there are not INDIVDUAL Mormon people that are not true Christians, I'm sure they are. But if you beleive in what Joseph Smith taught and claims, then that is not consistant with the Bible, neither is Johovahs Witness, Gnosticism, Arianism, Utilitarianism, Christian Science and others.
BUT Catholics, Protestants and Eastern Orthodox are Christians , as long as they base their central message and them and faith and doctine etc around Jesus Christ and HIS work for our Salvation. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 9/1/2006 3:44:38 PM | ^ I agree about Christian Scientists,they are not Christians because they base their religion on aliens and not Jesus:
http://www.carm.org/christian_science/doctrine.htm
LDS(Mormons) are a grey area,they believe in Jesus and the Bible but they have extra books that say Joseph Smith is a prophet:
http://www.mormon.org/question/faq/category/questions/0,8789,895-1-16,00.html
BTW...I'm not saying one religion(or denomination) is better than another.
@junipermoon,
As a Protestant I'm sorry that happened to you,children mimic what their parents teach them and obviously they were bigots.When I was growing up most of my friends were Catholic and Jewish...I was the outcast. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics? Catholics are Christians
Posted: 9/3/2006 11:15:25 AM | | Catholics are Christians. They are not similar. They are SAME. I have never heard anyone else that I have been acquainted with say otherwise. I wondered in what area of the country you Life. When I say the same I mean SAME Christ, Same Lord, Same Salvation. I am not in the Catholic Church however, I have had MANY Friends who were/are Catholic and we are all Chrisitan. All Church Organizations within any "denomination" or Non-Denomination are different in some of their periphreal beliefs and practices.. it is the Main Beliefs that matter most. (God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.. Salvation through Faith in Christ) Not the different organizational practices. I am sorry you have had such bad experiences with Christians and maybe even Catholics. That is a shame really. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 10/1/2006 3:14:40 PM | | "Catholics and Protestants are Christians. Christian Evangelicals are just arrogant." Sorry msg 241, but evangelism is a duty to christians acccording to the bible. I find the more (any in truth) forcefull types to distasteful, but it depends on the individuals interpretation as to what their duties are regarding this. So they are not arrogant, despite how they come off to you, or how they make you feel, they are just following thier book. | |
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mrgone
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Joined: 7/18/2006
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 10/1/2006 5:29:03 PM | | Well it's not just that they worship gravin images of Mary. Really it is the Jesuit order of the Catholic church that is problem. It is Mystery Babylon Mother of Harlots. The harlots are the what has become the different denominations of the so called protestants. A true Christian is a follower of the gospel of the Lord Jesus and is of know religion even if they do find a good church which is rare today. Most of your organized religions have signed onto to "THe Unity Doctrine" which is headed up by the Catholic church even handing down directives to teach to the various 501c3 churches. Wait until you find out what the Jesuit order has in store for us. Ever here of the Casini space craft? Bill Cooper gave a good description in his book "Behold a Pale Horse". | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 10/1/2006 10:32:21 PM |
Well it's not just that they worship gravin images of Mary. Really it is the Jesuit order of the Catholic church that is problem. It is Mystery Babylon Mother of Harlots. The harlots are the what has become the different denominations of the so called protestants. A true Christian is a follower of the gospel of the Lord Jesus and is of know religion even if they do find a good church which is rare today. Most of your organized religions have signed onto to "THe Unity Doctrine" which is headed up by the Catholic church even handing down directives to teach to the various 501c3 churches. Wait until you find out what the Jesuit order has in store for us. Ever here of the Casini space craft? Bill Cooper gave a good description in his book "Behold a Pale Horse".
Can you explain on what you mean? How is the Catholic Church handing directives to the other Churches?? | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 10/2/2006 8:00:54 AM | Junipermoon
PLEASE show me "bible scripture" where it says that Mary can intercede for us to our Father in heaven. PLEASE show me "any scripture" in the bible where "any" Catholic saint can intercede. There are "NONE". Note: NONE!.. and I study the KJV.
If studied, the bible clearly states that Jesus and the Holy Spirit (being of same accord) ...is the ONLY one who can intercede for our sins.
I know in one message here on the board a person stated that they had never heard a Catholic pray to a saint. Well, I have. I have heard different Catholic friends pray to St. Anthony, (even calling him "Tony"), to find things they have lost. NO WHERE in the bible did Jesus teach us to do such an absurd thing. In my own heart I feel Jesus must find that disgusting when any of us believers would pray to ANYONE but Him for any forgiveness or help. Any of us who have studied the bible know that many will perish from lack of "knowledge". We should all follow God's "word" not man's doctrines.
I am a Christian and "NO" I don't hate Catholics. I just don't like some of their doctrines or beliefs that are found nowhere in God's scripture. The same as I don't like some of other's (religions) or churches that do not follow the word of God but bring into their churches.. "man made doctrine". | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 10/2/2006 8:28:56 AM | Hi Ratero,
I'm definately not here to spank you. lol I just have to share this with you.
My grandmother was the most awesome Christian woman I've ever known in my life. Never, and I do mean "never" have I "ever" been around another human being since her death that lived a more Christian life than she did. (Not to say that there are none or ever have been others like her that lived such a true Christian life) All of those who knew her say the same. Unfortunately she died when I was 7 years old. I wish I could have known her longer. NEVER in all of her years had even one person EVER even heard her talk about "anyone" in a negative way. I talked to "many" who knew grandma and asked them about her after her death when I was older. Never was she "ever" heard of "gossiping" about anything. I know this sounds too unreal but it's the truth. She loved Jesus and followed His teaching.
My grandmother was a Mormon and attended a very small Mormon church in the small town where I grew up. SHE is the one who taught me about Jesus Christ. SHE is the one who because of her, I believed in Him as my Lord and Savior. I know she was a Mormon (by church) of her choice, but she DEFINATELY was a true Christian in her heart and spirit. Funny, but she never even mentioned Joseph Smith. This is one reason that I myself believe that there can be true Christians in different denominations that we may feel are not true Christians at all. Only God knows the true heart of another.
No, I myself would ever become a member of a Mormon church, only because of my own preference. I myself prefer non-denominational churches, who follow Jesus' teachings without leaving any out. But.. I do know my grandmother was a Christian and wish there were more just like her that I could be close to today. The world would be such a wonderful place.
God bless!
"Lov" | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 10/2/2006 8:57:58 AM | I don't go against Catholics. My emotions are up and down, I brood. So I sometimes get angry with the bullying of Catholic leaders with me when young and vulnerable. I am still injured, finding it hard to walk with Jesus. But protestants hurt me badly too.
I don't see Catholics as one.
But some were inquisitors and today some would be if they had the opportunity.
It is just some teachings and claims I go against, I try to remember the good I got from being one and like somethings essentially Catholic. I pray and meditate with Catholics still today.
I think some people just shoot off their mouths when in a bad mood... "darn mice", darn Catholics"... and John Cleese jokes about them having seven children in a family.... not using sheaths... | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 10/3/2006 6:33:39 AM | Hi
There was a time when I though Catholics were dead wrong.
A few years ago though, after being injured in an accident, was stuck in bed for 4 months with out the use of my hands or arms, I started watching a tv show called "Our Daily Bread", produced by the Catholic Church. Was very surprised to find out I received more Bibical guidance from that show than I did a lot of Evangelical shows.
In fact, a lot of evangelical shows were dead wrong about the Bible. God does not guarantee you riches on this earth, and he does not always grant miracles, whether your faith is strong or not. His will , shall be done, and for reasons we will only know on judgement day, sometimes bad things do happen to us in this life.
My perception of Catholics changed dramaticcly after watching the show. Yes, there are doctrine differences , but discovered that they are not as great as between a lot of protestant churches.
Have met and talked with many Catholics the last few years, and will be seeing them for sure in eternity!
One of them was a lady with 5 kids, lost every thing she had in New Orleans last year. Even with all her troubles, she took the time to pray and witness for me, even the week following Katrina.
She even mailed me literature and books that I had been looking for from New Orleans. When I received them 2 months after wards, and saw she had post marked them from Missisipi on Aug 16, was amazed! The sales slip from the New Orleans Book Store showed she bought them on the 12th, as she was leaving New Orleans. To think of some stranger from Canada at a time like that, shows what a remarkable Christian attitude she has.
Nobody can ever tell me that Catholic Lady is not Christian! | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 10/3/2006 6:50:21 AM | | Sorry, my previous post had the wrong dates. Wrote it by memory, and was wrong. Got it mixed up with the power outage which occured on the 14th of August. Will have to dig the receipts out and check when Katrina hit, I think the 27th or 28th? | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 10/5/2006 6:33:08 PM | "BUT Catholics, Protestants and Eastern Orthodox are Christians , as long as they base their central message and them and faith and doctine etc around Jesus Christ and HIS work for our Salvation."
"Catholics are Christians. They are not similar. They are SAME. I have never heard anyone else that I have been acquainted with say otherwise. I wondered in what area of the country you Life. When I say the same I mean SAME Christ, Same Lord, Same Salvation. I am not in the Catholic Church however, I have had MANY Friends who were/are Catholic and we are all Chrisitan. All Church Organizations within any "denomination" or Non-Denomination are different in some of their periphreal beliefs and practices.. it is the Main Beliefs that matter most. (God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.. Salvation through Faith in Christ) Not the different organizational practices."
"Catholics and Protestants are Christians."
-would strongly disagree on all the above statements as a whole.
The "Protestant" reformers protested against the false doctrines and practices that were contrary to the teachings of the New Testament. They demanded a return to the purity and simplicity of New Testament Christianity. Protestantism did not begin with Luther and Calvin. It began with the Gospel, with the life and death and resurrection of Christ. It teaches what the New Testament teaches, nothing more and nothing less.
It was not founded on the writings of Luther, or Calvin, or any of the later writers, although those writings proved helpful in the work of the church. Evangelical Protestantism cannot change greatly, for it is founded on an unchanging Book, completed in the first century and declared in the creeds of all evangelical churches to be the Word of God. The names of Protestant churches are not very old, and the denominations differ in regard to some doctrines; but the churches are in quite close agreement concerning the essentials of the faith, (though there are those who's positions are now more compromised than ever before) each attempting to hold its purity the teachings of Christ and the apostles. The disagreement and conflict which Rome attempts to picture as existing between Protestant denominations is for the most pat exaggeration, and is due largely to Rome's failure to understand what Protestantism really is.
How, then, do we know whether or not any particular system sets forth true Christianity??
By comparing it with a recognized standard, especially with the Bible which is the ultimate authority. Judged by that standard evangelical Protestantism is the same system of truth that was set forth in the New Testament and practiced by the first century Christians. (again, there are some now that have compromised this) All accretions, such as purgatory, the authority of tradition, the priesthood, the papacy, the worship of the Virgin Mary and the saints, the veneration of relics, auricular confession ("auricular"- pertaining to the ear; auricular confession, therefore, means confession to the ear of a priest), penance, etc., are totally without Scriptural basis and should be branded as false IMO.
Such false teachings would be akin to a cult IMO.
"Well it's not just that they worship gravin images of Mary. Really it is the Jesuit order of the Catholic church that is problem. It is Mystery Babylon Mother of Harlots. The harlots are the what has become the different denominations of the so called protestants. A true Christian is a follower of the gospel of the Lord Jesus and is of know religion even if they do find a good church which is rare today. Most of your organized religions have signed onto to "THe Unity Doctrine" which is headed up by the Catholic church even handing down directives to teach to the various 501c3 churches. Wait until you find out what the Jesuit order has in store for us. Ever here of the Casini space craft? Bill Cooper gave a good description in his book "Behold a Pale Horse"."
~ would completely agree.
She (religious system) is described very well in Revelation chapter 17, 18 &19 in all her "glory."
It is important to note that God instructs the people to- "......Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities." Rev. 18:4-5.
" And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth." Rev. 18:24 | |
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mrgone
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Joined: 7/18/2006
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 10/5/2006 7:46:51 PM | Can you explain on what you mean? How is the Catholic Church handing directives to the other Churches??
Didn't you read my post? The "UNITY DOCTRIN". Almost all protestant churches have signed onto it. Yes they write like lesson plans that they send out to the churches telling them what they expect to be taught. See, it's all a corporate money making process these days. Virtually all your churches have signed a pact with the devil known as 501c3. Why do they do it? Because they wont have to pay taxes to the US gov't. But in that contract it says that you may not speak out against the gov't. They just came down hard on that, I believe it was a Lutherine church out there in California last week for speakng out against the war. They violated their 501c3 contract. Preachers use to be the voice shouting from the house tops against wrong doing and tyranny. Not anymore. As for the Catholics. Oh yes there is a world hierarchy. Have you even seen the president greet the pope coming off the plane at the airport? The first thing he does is bend over and kiss his ring. But even though the Pope is just a figure head of power, I still incist it is the Jesuit Order of the Catholic church that is really in charge.
Dunrich
I agree with you that the Catholic church does many good works. That is great! At that level most of them have know idea just how evil the church is at the higher echelons. And they have the money to do these things. All roads lead to Rome. Seems the great Roman empire never did fall completely. Somebody still had the money. That could be a topic for another thread. I have a few thoughts on that one. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 10/7/2006 9:07:06 AM | msg 263:
i never claimed to quote a bible scripture. i merely related what the catholic church teaches.
please go back and read more carefully. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 10/7/2006 7:27:44 PM | mr gone I agree completely with what you wrote.
How ever, the hierchy of many protestant churches also condone abominations and rebellion against God. They as well have preachers and adherants, though, that do much glory to God, even though their chioce of church and doctrine are questionable. 30 years ago, I might have knocked the Catholic Church for their beliefs. How ever, with how far so many Protestant churches have fallen, in their mad rush to preach mans philosphys in an attempt to be popular, well the Catholic Church seems to reflect Gods message more than they do.
Never would have said or thought that 30 years ago. The fact is, there are many born again believers that are Catholics, I have met them. At one time, I would have have been amazed at this. But lets face it, a lot of protestant churches with members who are redeemed also do not preach Gods word.
Protestantism is guilty of what we traditionally have knocked Catholicism for. Preaching mans philosophy rather than Gods.
Right now, I attend a church that does not really reflect my doctrine, but they show me Gods love ,in a way that the closest church that does come close to my doctrine doesn`t!
Another thread maybe, why do so many churches seem cold to divorced people? Is it just me?
Anyway, I disagree with charismatics, I disagree with the United Church, I disagree with the Anglican Church, even the Nazerine Church I attend. But know many Christians from all of them that I know I will see in heaven.
There will be many Cathillocs there as well! | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 12/29/2006 10:29:07 AM |
The Catholics teach that you need a mediator (Pope, Priest, etc) to get to God
This is not true! In fact, during the 5 months I spent in Seminary (not as a student, but as a lay observer), I learned _how_ to speak with God directly.
In addition, Catholics do NOT worship Mary. When we pray to Mary and other saints we are asking for their intercessory prayers. For example when we say the Hail Mary we ask, “Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death.” This is similar to asking any Christian to pray for us but, since Mary and the saints are in the presence of God, their prayers are even more efficacious
http://www.catholic.com/library/Praying_to_the_Saints.asp
Posts like yours clearly show that people do not understand the Catholic faith. Many people are not afraid of the Catholic church, but what they think they know about the Catholic church. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 12/29/2006 11:12:05 AM | This is not the only example of "a snake eating its own tail". Look at the extreme examples of Jews killing Lebanese women and children, Muslims blowing up Israeli tourists, and Christians "marching as to war".
Christians, Jews, and Muslims all descend from the same religious branch of Abraham. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 12/29/2006 1:13:14 PM | The "Christians" that tend to be the most against the Catholic Church tend to be of the charismatic "born-again" variety that are convinced that they and their ilk have the exclusive truth of God's nature/word/intent what have you. They also tend to be convinced, usually by dint of their freshly washed brain that EVERYBODY else, no matter what their faith path is, is destined for the Pit or is in league with the Devil against them...
There tends to be a martyr complex in such individuals that helps to re-inforce their own self-identification with the saviour of mankind and feelings of persecution. I'm sure that if papers haven't been written - and I'm sure they have - there is a psychological gold mine to be worked on here.
They also tend to be singularly uneducated regarding the history and background of their own and everybody else's faith...if not the world around them and like to quote scripture from whatever translation of the Bible they have handy or failing that, the KJV as the authoritative - for who knows what reason except that King James English sounds so much more like how people imagine God speaks.
Notions of real history, archaeology, documentation, logic, religious evolution, ecumenicalism, mythological language and metaphor vs. historical narrative, etc. are all viewed as dirty lawyerin' tricks and tools of the devil.
As such, Catholics are merely viewed as pagan idolatyrs and most interpretations come straight from Jack Chick or the KKK.
And they wonder then why most people find it difficult to take them and their critiques of Catholicism seriously?
Especially amusing are claims of only being "Bible Believers" with none of the Catholic traditions amongst Protestants who still cling to Trinitarianism or other areas of dogma that are strictly additions of tradition that are establishments or conventions that are extra-scriptural.
*CLANK* The glass on my irony meter just broke. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 12/29/2006 6:06:55 PM | Cleopatracutie....I don't think Christians are against Catholic people, but against the non Biblical teachings they have whilst still calling themselves Christians.
For Example.......changing the ten commandments, indulgences, pugatory, the popes word being above the bible(the word of God), Celebacy, etc...
You can't call yourself a vegitarian if you eat meat.....and you can't say that the bible is the infallible word of God...and then change it and teach things that the bible doesn't!!! | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 12/29/2006 11:05:04 PM |
Why are christians so against catholics?
I'm a Christian, and I have no problem with Catholics. Also, a little off-topic, Catholics ARE Christians. "Christian" is the umbrella that includes Catholics, Protestants, and Orthodox. They are all different, but are all Christians. :) | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 12/30/2006 12:26:23 PM | Cleopatracutie....I don't think Christians are against Catholic people, but against the non Biblical teachings they have whilst still calling themselves Christians.
For Example.......changing the ten commandments, indulgences, pugatory, the popes word being above the bible(the word of God), Celebacy, etc...
You can't call yourself a vegitarian if you eat meat.....and you can't say that the bible is the infallible word of God...and then change it and teach things that the bible doesn't!!!
They created the bible, in the first place. You can't say that Catholics aren't Christian...and then change it and say that their bible is!!!
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