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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 12/30/2006 3:07:56 PM |
.... If you don't follow the God of the bible.....you are not worshiping the same God!
Agreed.
But who has the right to decide which is the correct manner in which to follow? Just because someone follows in a different way than you doesn't mean they aren't following, they just aren't emulating you. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 12/30/2006 4:42:34 PM |
If you don't follow the God of the bible.....you are not worshiping the same God!
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/story/emergence.html
http://www.deism.com/biblevotes.htm
Catholics created your bible.
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 12/30/2006 6:21:27 PM |
Christian means a follower of Christ...it is not an umbrella.
Yeah... good thing I didn't say that! 
Don't take it out of context. I said that it's an umbrella THAT INCLUDES CATHOLIC, PROTESTANT, AND ORTHODOX. :) | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 12/30/2006 6:46:43 PM | ^^^^^ He wasn't taking you out of context. He was telling you that you're wrong.
As far as he's concerned the only person who has the right to refer to themselves as a Christian is a person that follows whatever books of the Bible he thinks they should be following. As far as I know he has yet to provide a list of the books which he insists are the only valid 'words of God'. Conversely, he's spent a great deal of time outlining that which he doesn't agree with and misrepresenting the beliefs of faiths to which he does not belong.
Apparently, Catholics don't follow whatever version of the Bible to which he claims fealty.
He doesn't even think they pray to the same God that he does. I suspect he may actually be correct in that thought, but not for the reasons that he thinks.
However, he's doing a good job of answering the OP's question. Clearly, one of the reasons that Christians are so against Catholics (which is a bizarre question in and of itself; sort of like asking what do clowns have against the circus) is that some of them are horribly misinformed and misguided. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 1/14/2007 6:33:59 PM | They created the bible, in the first place. You can't say that Catholics aren't Christian...and then change it and say that their bible is!!!
Catholics created the Bible. Al Gore invented the internet.
Catholics assembled some of the great books, and canonized them, and called them a Bible, but were they even the first to do so? I wouldn't doubt that the Nicolaitans had a Bible, but since they no longer exist, it's hard to say. The Catholics managed to destroy a great number of the old books and subjegate the people. The only proof of existence of some sects are the arguments that early Christian leaders made against them.
What are the basic precepts of the Marcionites? The Libertines? The Valentinians? The Arians?
"Catholics" not only took the Bible from Marcion, they made sure that Christians would only have a certain set of his writings to read. So-called "Christians" have adopted the only version that the Nicene Bishops allowed to propagate, and proceeded to declare the rest of us "heretics" in tandem with their Catholic Brothers.
"Council of Nicaea" is just another way of saying that 300 men came together to decide who God is. God laughs. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 1/15/2007 2:27:25 AM | ^^^Quite right.
Catholics created the Bible. Al Gore invented the internet.
Catholics assembled some of the great books, and canonized them, and called them a Bible, but were they even the first to do so? I wouldn't doubt that the Nicolaitans had a Bible, but since they no longer exist, it's hard to say. The Catholics managed to destroy a great number of the old books and subjegate the people. The only proof of existence of some sects are the arguments that early Christian leaders made against them.
What are the basic precepts of the Marcionites? The Libertines? The Valentinians? The Arians?
"Catholics" not only took the Bible from Marcion, they made sure that Christians would only have a certain set of his writings to read. So-called "Christians" have adopted the only version that the Nicene Bishops allowed to propagate, and proceeded to declare the rest of us "heretics" in tandem with their Catholic Brothers.
"Council of Nicaea" is just another way of saying that 300 men came together to decide who God is. God laughs.
Exactly. I totally agree. The bible, that World was left with, was created by the Roman Catholic Church. Thank you.
Didn't think I really needed to explain that I was talking about The Bible, as opposed to some possible former book that may, or may not, have existed sometime before the Catholic created bible, in use today.
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 1/15/2007 8:12:44 AM | The Fate of Marcion and his beliefs are similar to the actions of the thought police of the present day. My interpretation of the Bible was assisted by the reading of "The Gospel of Thomas," and the realization that the writers had posed embellishments as paths to enlightenment, while true enlightenment is found when the embellishments are stripped away, and words like these are accented:
"Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."
Interpretation:
He carries the truth, and he will strip the embellishments, and burn the lies in the fire, and promote education and the benefits that the truth will bring.
I, therefore, avoid trifling over superstitious embellishments; and tend to focus on the earthly truths, Justice against the truly evil, and God given Liberty. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 1/15/2007 8:16:58 AM |
There are some people who are far more proud of their denomination than they are of the gospel of Jesus Christ.
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong... I was under the impression that the Gospel of Jesus was only available as part of the Nag Hammadi find and incorporated as part of the Gnostic Gospels.
In fact, this particular gospel is one of the gospels that the Roman Catholics actively sought to suppress, along with the gospels of Philip, Thomas (Jesus' brother), Mary, and Judas as well as the Secret Book of John and the Gospel of Truth. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 1/19/2007 11:14:56 PM | | I know many Catholics who are Christian. Will be a pleasure to serve with them in heaven. Just because, I disagree with certain doctrines preached by the Catholic church, does not negate their beleif there faith that Christ died on Calvalry to pay for their, and mine, sins. Doctrine is a matter of interpretation, personally, I think we will find all of us are wrong in one aspect or another. Thank God, he forgives us our mistakes and sins. His son died, not for the perfect, but for the rest of us, regardless of denomination, race or silliness. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 1/22/2007 1:04:23 PM | Originally posted by dunrich, page 12
I know many Catholics who are Christian. Will be a pleasure to serve with them in heaven.
You know many Catholics who are Christian? What exactly does that mean? Do you think that some Catholics are not Christian? If so, I'm afraid you have some learning to do. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 1/25/2007 9:34:37 PM |
"Christians",had a different name during Christ's time,,they were called Pharisee's.
Uh...
What?
*tumbleweeds....crickets...* 
Dear sir, the punchline you were expecting has been lost in transit...please remit 2 cents to the Acme Laff-O-Matic Joke Company for a trace. - Staff.
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 2/2/2007 10:03:12 PM |
Dear sir, the punchline you were expecting has been lost in transit...please remit 2 cents to the Acme Laff-O-Matic Joke Company for a trace. - Staff.
I have to admit that I almost missed it, and thought he might have meant "Catholics had a different name in Christ's time," but since most Christian dogma follows the trinity concept, and mimics the Catholic church in more ways than it disputes it, he has a legitimate point. I hesitate to call myself a Christian, and lean further toward the Gnostics, but I do follow Jesus and the philosophy he taught. I don't set myself down in the street and start praying like a Pharisee would have, but many Christians would. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 2/2/2007 10:32:06 PM | | Well I say the bible says one day all religions will convert into one religion.Im putting my money on that it wont be a christian religion....Not when christians are at war with themselves.Im thinking jewish | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 2/2/2007 10:57:35 PM | Funny you should mention...
Prophecy of the Messianic age made in the Book of Zechariah that goes a little something like this:
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Thus saith HaShem of hosts: It shall yet come to pass, that there shall come peoples, and the inhabitants of many cities;
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and the inhabitants of one city shall go to another, saying: Let us go speedily to entreat the favour of HaShem, and to seek HaShem of hosts; I will go also.
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Yea, many peoples and mighty nations shall come to seek HaShem of hosts in Jerusalem, and to entreat the favour of HaShem.
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Thus saith HaShem of hosts: In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold, out of all the languages of the nations, shall even take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying: We will go with you, for we have heard that G-d is with you.'
Just putting it out there
Everybody Hora! Havah nagilah, Havah, nagilah, Havah, nagilah venism'chah! | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 2/2/2007 10:58:58 PM |
Well I say the bible says one day all religions will convert into one religion.Im putting my money on that it wont be a christian religion....Not when christians are at war with themselves.Im thinking jewish
Jesus said: " The truth will out, and it will be 100 times better than any lie you have ever heard" Ok, so I paraphrased a metaphorical parable. Here is what he actually said:
"Listen! A sower went out to sow. And as he sowed, some seeds fell on the path, and the birds came and ate them up. Other seeds fell on rocky ground, where they did not have much soil, and they sprang up quickly, since they had no depth of soil. But when the sun rose, they were scorched; and since they had no root, they withered away. Other seeds fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up and choked them. Other seeds fell on good soil and brought forth grain, some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. Let anyone with earsa listen!"
So if the Jews start to listen before the Christians, and figure out where the real truth lies, then we all might convert to Judaism. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 2/3/2007 10:28:16 AM | ENOUGH! craw, do you realize all the while the media and you folks were attacking the chruch because of the actions of a few! ( those accused just about made over 1 % of the priest in this country) but there were many minsters and and preachers that were also accuse and arrested. and not reported by the media or by you. one must understand that this occupation you speak of is one of a calling! how about being fair?
craw the fancy costume that you speak of is of tradition dating back to the days when it was not considered fancy. and by the way the pope only wares it on high holy days! so all the good Blessed John Paul was pretending? you must be the only one who thinks that!
now Christ told peter that he was going to be the rock that his church would be built on, well, peter was the first pope , the church exist, keys? please its a medaphor for the leadership of the church and it is hand down to each pope that is elected! | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 2/4/2007 9:39:52 PM |
Christ told peter that he was going to be the rock that his church would be built on, well, peter was the first pope , the church exist, keys? please its a medaphor for the leadership of the church and it is hand down to each pope that is elected!
Actually, it's a metaphor for the truth given by God unto his followers. You will never find a stronger rock to build upon than the rock of truth. To place the fate of the world on the shoulders of any man would be silly.
You also might want to read the story of St. Patrick and his opposition to the Catholic Church while he lived. That is, before the Church assimilated his memory. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 2/5/2007 8:25:33 AM | Well, I try to find common ground among believers. Therefore, no matter our differences we Christians all believe in Jesus. I post the following website. It is Steve Harvey's introduction of Jesus Christ our Savior!! This is beyond awesome!! God Bless us all!!!
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=1759934191
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 2/5/2007 11:09:39 AM | gotta: let see "theIRISHpoet" could be that i am of the irish? do you not think that where i am a irish catholic that i have read everything i could find on the patron saint of ireland?
and be the facts known that his oppistion to church laws, at the time, was for a mere decade, as a the college of cardnials and the pope adjusted to the position of St.Patrick.
now i have a question for you, why did Christ told Peter directly that he is the rock that Christ Chruch would be built on? | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 2/5/2007 11:28:14 AM | ^^
Because Jesus asked Simon bar Jonah; "Who do you say that I am?," and Simon replied to him that he was the Son of God, so Jesus named him after the rock of truth which represents his philosophy and his Church. You have to be able to accept that the rock is truth, or you live your life pursuing lies and misconceptions. The parables spell it out, and demonstrate consistancy in the pursuit of truth. The parables don't name Peter as the pope but refer to truth within veiled metaphors. Jesus later told Peter; "Get thee behind me, Satan." Can we assume that the Pope is Satan based on this phrase, or would you prefer to think that the rock is truth? | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 2/5/2007 11:46:14 AM | gotta: but, again why did Christ direct that statment to peter? please i have read the gospel
Christ when he was in the disert for for days said get behine me satan, how did peter get there, when the good book say he was alon? | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 2/5/2007 12:05:54 PM | Matthew 16:23. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
Mark 8:33. But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men.
The Catholic Church will tell you that Satan isn't Satan in this instance, and that the Pope is still the rock. I prefer to avoid the mental gymnastics and refer to truth as the rock. Your views may differ. There is no possble way that you can know that Jesus was not pointing at a rock when he said "On this rock I will build my Church" while speaking to Peter. It would be another form of mental gymnastics to suggest that he was or he wasn't. It just isn't that clear. What is clear is that truth is represented in the parables that Jesus taught, and that truth when applied to commerce or science yeilds "sixty to one hundred fold." Therefore, I declare that truth is my rock, and that mental gymnastics are the work of Satan. | |
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