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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 5/17/2005 6:22:34 PM | Just me:
Very interesting but my only question is why are you so mad?
That's not your only question, you posted two questions in that post alone. On the other hand, maybe they are your only questions, because the rest of your posts on the topic are clearly not 'asking' anything, but instead are intent on trying to prove to everyone how 'right' you are.
As for your two questions there: I didn't say I was 'mad', I said I was in a bad mood. You didn't even get that right. Aside from your (once again) miscomprehension of written words, the answer to the first is it's really not any of your business why I'm in a 'bad mood'. As to, do I think that is right? Yes, I do. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 5/17/2005 6:24:49 PM |
Nothing can be found about a place called purgatory in the sixty-six books that make up what is called the Canon of Scripture - the Bible? Is it because the Roman Catholic Church had to add extra books, called the Books of the Apocrypha, to their Bible, in order to support the teaching of purgatory (see Unger’s Bible Dictionary)? Why don’t people know that the teaching of purgatory didn’t even begin until around the year 1438 A.D?
See? Another question.
Add extra books? How about remove books and lines FROM THE ORIGINAL TEXTS that didn't agree with divorce, etc, which led to the creation of the Church of England and from there all the other Christian sects? | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 5/17/2005 6:26:39 PM |
The Roman Catholic Church teachs that no one can know for sure that they are going to heaven?
Read the original version of that book you are so fond of quoting. 'Knowing' you're going to Heaven would be fairly indicative of a pride and ego, wouldn't it? | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 5/17/2005 6:31:35 PM | Jimyg, your longer post I wasn't sure what you were getting at, you missed the quotes thing. However, I fully agree with you on this part:
By the way the reason we meet in homes isn't only because the early church did, we meet in homes because Jesus told us to and we don't put a burdon of debt on anyone to pay for a building or anything else, we just worship Jesus and see signs and healing, and miracles.
I've had an Archbishop confirm that you don't have to be in a church to pray and stuff (which I thought myself anyway) and the Catholic doctrine (unlike many other Christian churches) does not REQUIRE you to do so. I've been to Catholic services in homes, outside in places, etc. I've also been to so-called non-denominational 'Vineyard' churches with guitars and stuff that have been really cool. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 5/17/2005 6:40:39 PM | Hey Noodler, some good points, but I'd like to clarify a bit the actual teachings of the church:
There's practically a saint for everything. At some point in time, there's been a human who stood out who overcame particular obstacles in any kind of crisis. For this, they were given sainthood and awarded a title. The reason folks pray specifically to these people is because they weren't the son of god and they managed to show fortitude and strength when faced with adversity. Basically, despite being flawed as all humans are, they acted like Christ would have wanted them to, and for this they are remembered.
Add to this that to be Canonized (or 'Sainted') a person has to have 3 bonafide and well-documented miracles happen to them. That is seen as the Holy Spirit touching them and Catholics are acknowledging this.
I think protestants will always argue that you only need one savior, and his name is Jesus.
Catholics will always say, "He is our savior and lord, but the saints help give us strength"..
Catholics do not ask the saints for anything, save one thing, and that is to pray WITH them TO Jesus. It is also notable that the Protestant churches also take Communion, have their own Saints, etc, etc, etc. It's only when the sects started drifting off into the realms of the Presby's, Baptists, etc, that these traditions were left behind.
Other than that, yeah, it's a lot of comfort to some. Say you have St. Christopher, Patron St. of Travellers. Well, when you're alone on a road in the middle of nowhere, hey, call up the expert, and ask him to pray with you for guidance or whatever. The book says 'where two or more are gathered', Catholics say, "hey, I'm alone, I want help praying, so I'll ask a saint to pray WITH me." It's not that big a deal, but some people want to twist it and make it into something else entirely.
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 5/17/2005 10:57:01 PM | cleo,....... it's pretty scary to hail jesus as he walked strait to death....yes
but jesus didn't dress up in a costume or anything, like the pope, .....he just healed people and stuff.
his costume consisted of the real thing........ the beating and death
so, jesus was not as scary as the pope. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 5/17/2005 11:31:22 PM |
Granted I did not take what you wrote I sensed the anger,
Then you 'sensed' wrong. Strike two.
Emotions are something that tells me you are using your head more again, and one must be very careful when doing that.
So we're not allowed to think, or use the free will we've been given. If we weren't supposed to use our minds, we wouldn't have them.
All wisdom comes from God and those emotions you feel are from another source.
Those emotions I feel? Which one is from 'another source'? Love? Compassion? How about cherish or devotion? I'd have to call that one as Strike Three.
Oh, yeah, you're also suggesting then that Jesus was getting his emotions from 'another source' then. I'll be sure to let him know what you're thinking. Strike... umm... Four.
Do you see why I ask this question to you now?
No, not a clue. And neither do you, as you ASSUME too much. Stop trying to analyze everyone, it's not working for you. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 5/18/2005 9:27:59 AM | | Nope. I believe a man who's name was jesus may have exsisted and died a terrible death at roman hands but thats as far as I will touch it. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 5/18/2005 9:35:58 AM | Thanks Cleo. I'm starting to really like you. hehe.
btw and ot, that avatar you have, I'm a bit of an 'artsy' person and am sure I've seen that or something very similar before. Who did it? Message me with an answer if you like instead of goin too far ot here. Thanks. :) | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 5/18/2005 9:45:13 AM | Just me:
Question then Do you believe in Jesus Christ?
The real question is do you?
Why do you appear so angry, self-righteous and judgemental?
Why do you feel it is your appointment to judge everyone, when that right is clearly reserved for God alone?
Why do you go around quoting all sorts of biblical stuff, claiming you're the only one that has it right, even though you apparently don't know the original texts, and on other threads you clearly come up with your own interpretations of passages which amount to fortune telling (occultist activity)?
Why do you slam the Apocrypha as 'extra' books, then go on to lend them direct credence when it suits your purpose?
Sounds like you have a lot to answer to yourself before you start questioning everyone else. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 5/18/2005 10:04:41 AM | Ty. I don't need to go to far lol its jessica galbreth. Maybe it is the irish side of me but I am a fantasy nut.
They appear the way that they do because most of them believe they literally are holier than thou art...even if you don't believe religion at all they will still say that you are athiest. I am born catholic, don't believe in religion at all and I get called an athiest and what woould that be but a religion. They are so trained from brith to fear what they are supposed to love that it really is hypocritical. And they say catholics are bad for it when they are the ones who always jump the gun in an arguement. They know the topics will get heated I mean look what they are about but when things do not go their way they begin' alot of b****ing and holy' rollin' or they start to throw sick insults at you. I once had a guy in theese forums say that I don't know how to love because I don't love jesus and don't believe the bible. Thats a facist load of bull. They are just sore losers and when they do win they become even more self-righteous. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 5/18/2005 1:15:59 PM | 'Congratulations' may be in order for Just Me. Apparently you've jumped right in with both feet without looking to see where the edge is. Say goodbye to credibility.
I would suggest you seriously rethink your platform, and consider the possibility you aren't doing things quite as clearly as you seem to think.
Your last post, and many, many other posts of yours, are (by a reasonable assessment) full of judgements and interpretations stated as factual. If you can't see that, I pity you. That site you mentioned, also full of judgements IMO, specifically in regards to the Apocrypha (which, btw, their 'facts' about it have enough holes to drive a large convoy of Mack trucks through), looks like it's in about the same boat.
Making judgements is a pretty easy line to cross. Tell me, how does it feel to know you have become what you sought to avoid?
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 5/18/2005 6:59:43 PM | Don't Catholics pray to Mary and the saints?That constitutes a form of worship as near as I can tell.
No, they don't.
And if any *people* are, they aren't supposed to and should know that. It's not rocket science.
That's exactly the misconception I was talking about. I wish people would check facts prior to making statements. (This is directed to people in general, not just you Taurus.) These people would be the first ones to jump up and scream foul play if I were to make some racist statement out of a lack of understanding, yet they go about daily making anti-religion statements with the same sort of ignorance.
Then what are Catholics doing when they are reciting the Hail Mary thing?I was told Catholics believe Mary to be a sort of intercessor between Man and God.Was I told wrong?It makes no difference to me personally,I'm a Humanist.The original thread was about why the schism between "Christains" (I'm assuming she means Protestants) and Catholics.I was raised Baptist and they're very adamant about a literal interpretation of the KJV.I've been to some masses,I have Catholic relatives and friends and once lived with a Catholic woman,who I will say was a far better Catholic than I ever was a Baptist,but to observe the Mass from an outsider's point of view,it looks as if the object were to communicate with a diety (God),then the method is as complex as dealing with a government agency.Too many channels to go through,gets very confusing,not to mention all the choreography.
Then again most organized religion is confusing to me.One interesting note here.I've been to a few Hindu services,the equivalent of a Mass. as well as a Muslim service.There are quite few paralells. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 5/18/2005 11:02:02 PM |
That means you are also unble to support it also.
That is just one simple site that refers to this that I am saying, let your wisdom be the guide not mine .
Jesus knew that the only good revolutions were continual ones.
Oh, I can support whatever I've said (ok, with the exception of the Babel Fish thing on the other thread). Not a problem. However, that would just serve to point out where you majorly blew your entire POV.
I'm not going to point it out for you. If you can't see it for yourself then too bad, so sad. I'll just watch the sun set on your debates. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 5/18/2005 11:05:53 PM | knowing your going to heaven is boldness because you know Jesus, and believe him, He will never leave us or forsake us, and those who call upon the name of the Lord (Jesus), shall be save!!
Jimmy
PS how do you put these quotes in boxes?
The Roman Catholic Church teachs that no one can know for sure that they are going to heaven?
Read the original version of that book you are so fond of quoting. 'Knowing' you're going to Heaven would be fairly indicative of a pride and ego, wouldn't it? | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 5/18/2005 11:49:19 PM |
Then what are Catholics doing when they are reciting the Hail Mary thing?I was told Catholics believe Mary to be a sort of intercessor between Man and God.Was I told wrong?
Catholic members, like many people, get hung up on the use of words. There is also a great number of Catholics who are not very aware of what the church doctrine truly is. Like many religions, they go by what they were taught as children. The problem with the Catholic church was that the services were all in Latin, and so most of the parishioners never understood what was being said. The Catholic church is incredibly slow to change with the times, probably because of the sheer size of it. I've had some heated discussions with Catholics and when they see that the actual doctrines are somewhat different than what they thought they knew, they are amazed. It's very similar to talking to 'regular' churchgoers and telling them Noah took more than two of some animals on the Ark. :)
I agree with most of the rest of your post. I am intrigued by some of the 'Eastern' services. They're interesting. I can't say they appeal to me personally, but I am able to look at them objectively and some of them, especially the Hindu, I'm impressed with their devotion. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 5/19/2005 4:59:22 AM | | Dude have you ever watched history channel? Discovery ring a bell? Hundreds of programms and documentaries are out there so its pretty easy for people to get the jist of it. Ya they do pray to mary and the saints and some do take it more seriously than others. I am not religeous but was born catholic so I know alot of them and my mans family is all catholic and like I said from what I have seen the average catholic and the abundance of them that I know they respect the saints more than revere them. Mary is a bit different they call her the holy mother (I still don't believe it possible that she was a virgin but thats nither here nor there) and shes more of a symbol although she's avidly prayed to daily. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 5/19/2005 5:03:20 AM | | cstech you are one of the few people I have seen as of late than can actually carry on an adult conversation about religion and not blow up about it. I know alot of people think its weird that catholics pray to saints but I think its weird that some religions want people to cut their hair (jesus himself nearly always being portrayed with long hair and a beard, lmao it never made sense to me)............. | |
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Joined: 3/12/2005
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 5/19/2005 5:31:25 AM | | Wanted to agree with you that cstech does really seem to "get it", and is able to express views on religion in a civil, adult manner. Refreshing. As you made the original post, I wanted to tell you that thankfully the reverse is not true, at least locally for me. Being a member of my church's Social Justice Committee, our tri-county Catholic Commission, and the diocese Committee on Racism, a few weeks ago I spent the day at our state capital for the Catholic Conference's Legislative Advocacy Day. This event has been held for many years, and this year for the first time, we invited the state Council of Churches (Protestant) to join us. During our luncheon, almost unanimously, the Catholic attendees called for ecumenism and joint efforts in legislative advocacy. Returning home, we have met locally in planning sessions with the town's protestant church leaders and have had a joint meeting with our State Senator to address common concerns. My prayer, as that of my church, is that this become the rule rather than the exception among all "Christians". | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 5/19/2005 5:46:02 AM | | Sure would be nice to see people act as if they were adult about it. Some groups don't even accept that other sides can have a voice too. Its funny you should mention prodistant though it reminded me of my dad and grandpa talking about it. Prodistants and catholics in some places don't get along so well either my great grandpa came from ireland where they didn't agree much on anything, or so they said.=) | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 5/19/2005 6:04:24 AM | | Ok since you are actually not badgaring I will give an answer why is it that every christian leader you see wear a suit? They do dress nicely but they also dress like lawyers and lawyers lie for a living (if they have to). Mormons or most of them dress in black alot themselves or at least the ones around my area do. I think its scary to drag children everywhere knocking door to door on a saturday morning when all their friends are watching morning cartoons. Always in a tight-knit group and always holding a bible in front of them like a lynching is about to happen (maybe mine perhaps...heheee)...and the women almost trail behind the group (I mean the ones around here ladies no offence) like lost pups. Freeaakkyyy...... | |
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