| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 6/2/2005 4:14:06 PM |
I don't know...
I worked so hard on that too...
I read it before it disappeared...so your work was not for naught. We consider the Catholic's just as close which is why I initially jumped into this thread, since we have many of the same practices.
Pope Benedict XVI has pledged to work just as hard to restore unity to the Orthodox and Catholic Church. I can see the schism being mended by the time he passes on.
I personally don't think the schism will ever be mended which is unfortunate. In 1054 when the Catholic Church branched off, the Pope installed himself as the universal head and changed the original Creed of the Church while the Orthodox kept things as they had been. This is not to say the Pope was wrong in what he did or that you are wrong for what you believe...it is certainly not my place to make any judgements. However those differences are so major that I don't think the Orthodox Church will ever accept them and I don't think the Catholic Church will ever renounce them, even if we can overcome our other differences. But perhaps I will be proven wrong...I hope so. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 6/2/2005 4:44:33 PM |
.. the celebration of this pagan holiday which by coincidence(I think not) fell during the same time as EASTER. Maybe not Greek Easter since that does change from year to year. But the date of the pagan holiday is on the same weekend.
The calculation used for Greek Easter was how everyone used to calculate Easter...clear up until the late 1500's. I don't think that suddenly 1500 years after Christ they intentionally decided to change Easter to a pagan date. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 6/3/2005 12:44:24 PM | TO: ENVI
OK, no matter how I put it you will always return to correct me...I am not going to play your game. And I sware if you reply to this post I will hunt you down forever in this forum! LOL
Peace be upon you the reader.
-Mikel/moderator | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 6/3/2005 1:10:09 PM | here is a quote that I think we should all ask ourselves here
The real issue for faith today is, "Does affirmation require negation? Can anyone celebrate their ownn hisory, traditions and forms of worship without feeling threatened by the music and intensity of other faith commitments?"
-Rabbi David Hartman | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 6/3/2005 3:49:42 PM | OK, no matter how I put it you will always return to correct me...I am not going to play your game. And I sware if you reply to this post I will hunt you down forever in this forum! LOL
Great another Greek stalker, just what I need! 
::ducking and running::
MIKEL: And she has to have the last word also...
LOL
PS: Me stalking you...I think not. I have better things to do with my time.
You best run! Keep running...
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 6/6/2005 4:56:23 PM | | Now thats a hoot. Theres no such thing as a roman catholic..lmfao...tell that to an irishman or a scottsman..or in fact a roman (who indeed still like to be called exactly that a roman not an italian, go figure).. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 6/7/2005 10:00:07 AM | No, it isn't all right to ask the dead to pray for you. Study the Bible, I know the Catholic Church isn't that big on studying the Bible, that is why I left the Catholic Church. I would be considered a pentacostal, but I am not affiliated with a denomination. About 20 years ago, I decded that the CAtholic Shurch wasn't my salvation to my soul, but Jesus Christ.
Why do Catholics believe in purgatory, because they don't think Jesus Christ dying on the cross was enough to pay for our sins. I'll pray to Jesus and the Father and ion the Spirit, but to pray to dead people, NO, NO, No. Against Biblical teaching. Look it up, use something other than just a Catholic Bible. Martin Luther seperated from the Catholic Church because it wasn't following the Word in the Bible. Praise the Lord for my salvation! | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 6/7/2005 10:16:37 AM | | MarkFE, Quoting just from the Bible isn't exactly what we do. We quote from others who are willing to study the Btble and to consider that it is the Word of God. I don't ever want to go back to being Catholic. First, there was Mass in Latin, then they switch it to English but even at that, when they read a Bible verse, it isn't expounded upon to bring understanding to it, where I have a lot of books by Christian authors, who write and help people understand the teachings of Jesus Christ and even the historical significance in the Old Testament. Sometimes we quote scripture taking it from our viewpoint and not where it was being delivered from back then. We need people who can explain the Bible in layman terms and not just quote scripture. Former Catholic. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 6/8/2005 7:32:44 AM | DAMN!! someone gets it! good for you casper man I started the forum asking why pretty much in the same sense as you just mentioned. Umm they are from the same political gene-pool I mean so why do so many still argue about the right and wrongs of it. I mean I gots to stick up for catholics cause I got a family that for the most part practice it pretty hard-core and my mans family even more so and the fact I was baptised roman-catholic..but thats nither here nor there..the point is the fighting won't, I mean just look at some above postings and it will sum it up for you..take care man. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 6/8/2005 9:58:45 PM | The problem if the light trying to lead the blid and sometimes it requires something tramatic...
As someone said earlier in these forums
"It seems to me you have to be real sick or almost dead to see God"
That's pretty tramatic huh?
but the one's who have been baffled with B.S. and think they know to believe there is a God and not realize they are being lead by an artifical carrot...yeah some head bashing may be needed, to see the light.
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 6/9/2005 9:04:53 AM | | Christians aren't against Catholics my friend... And let me just say this, Catholics are Christians... As a women that grew up in the Catholic church, I was never tought the one most important thing, and that would be that, You need to profess that Jesus is your Lord and Savior. You would think that after so much obediancs to a 'church' the most important facet would be revealed... I love all my brothers and sisters in Christ Catholics and otherwise. For me, and for many former Catholics that have experienced the traditionalism of the Catholic church, we may have some distaist over the time we have waisted in a spirit of traditionalism rather then where the focus should be a real relationship with the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit. That in which your church does preach, but in a way round about way... Sorry so long Blessings... | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 6/10/2005 6:32:13 AM | | Well thats not something that we already knew^^not like above posting don't repeat that very thing..that is why I ask about there squables in the first place I mean look up and down this thread and read how the christians and catholics go at it and this being a forum only. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 6/10/2005 8:35:04 AM | Marthon Man has given you the why's, and how come Cleo, is there a problem with understanding that?
Everyone seems to generalize Christians and here in this forum you'll see the difference and also in the thread "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquistion!" | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 6/14/2005 3:01:54 PM | I also want to note that the non Roman Catholic Christian tradition did NOT all come from Roman Emperror Constintine "converting" to Christianity.There was an Ethiopian tradition and church BEFORE the advent of a papal seat in Rome.There were churches in Syria that were vital to the development of all branches of Christianity in a sense.
Again there ISN'T a "Roman Catholic" Church. It is called Catholic. There is a Roman Rite within it.
The Papacy is from the time of Jesus. Christ installed it Himself. Scripture and Tradition as well as history tesitifies to this:
"And Jesus answered him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
This where Jesus installs Peter as the first Pope. In the Old Testament, whenever a covenant was made, there was a name change. Jesus changed Simon Bar-Jonah's name to Peter, which means "rock" and Jesus said that it would be on this rock (Peter) that He would build His Church. Christ established a covenant with Peter. If you look in the old testament, in Jewish culture “keys” were symbols of authority, we see it Isaiah when Lord installed Eliakim, a pagan, as king over Israel:
“And I will lay the key of the house of David upon his shoulder: and he shall open, and none shall shut: and he shall shut, and none shall open.” (Isaiah 22:22).
The very same “opening and shutting” is what Jesus gave Peter the authority to do with the “binding and loosening”. This refers to any infalible statements (in regards to Faith and Morals) that the Pope makes.
Church history testifies to the Primacy of the Seat of Peter in Rome:
"History bears complete testimony that from the very earliest times the Roman See has ever claimed the supreme headship, and that that headship has been freely acknowledged by the universal Church. We shall here confine ourselves to the consideration of the evidence afforded by the first three centuries.
There has always been a Pope. The Catholic Church can trace them back to Peter, 265 in total so far. The thing is that he wasn't always called "Pope". He was called "the Bishop of Rome" and he has always had supremecy in the Church:
"St. Clement. The first witness is St. Clement, a disciple of the Apostles, who, after Linus and Anacletus, succeeded St. Peter as the fourth in the list of popes. In his "Epistle to the Corinthians", written in 95 or 96, he bids them receive back the bishops whom a turbulent faction among them had expelled. "If any man", he says, "should be disobedient unto the words spoken by God through us, let them understand that they will entangle themselves in no slight transgression and danger" (Ep. 59). Moreover, he bids them "render obedience unto the things written by us through the Holy Spirit". The tone of authority which inspires the latter appears so clearly that Lightfoot did not hesitate to speak of it as "the first step towards papal domination" (Clement 1:70). Thus, at the very commencement of church history, before the last survivor of the Apostles had passed away, we find a Bishop of Rome, himself a disciple of St. Peter, intervening in the affairs of another Church and claiming to settle the matter by a decision spoken under the influence of the Holy Spirit. Such a fact admits of one explanation alone. It is that in the days when the Apostolic teaching was yet fresh in men's minds the universal Church recognized in the Bishop of Rome the office of supreme head."(New Advent)
"Pope" is merely an Italian word for "Papa" or "Father". St. Clement in his letter "The Epistle to the Corinthians" begins the letter with "The Church of God which sojourns in Rome". The Church in Corinth was subject to the Church in Rome. Rome was stepping ig because the Corinthian Church was in trouble. Here we have earliest evidence of the Church in Rome having supreme authority. Read the ECF’s there you will always see prominent mention of the “Church in Rome” or the “Bishop of Rome.”
Catholicism is completely biblical. I was a Baptist who attended a Bible College at one time. I could never reconcile the theology with what I saw in Sacred Scripture. Verses contradicted other verses or were simply ignored. Things that Jesus meant literally were symbolized ( i.e. unless a man is born of water and Spirit he cannot enter the Kingdom of Heaven; unless you eat the Body of the Son of Man and drink His Blood you shall not have life in you)and the symbols were “interpreted” in some convoluted way.
Catholicism is the True Faith. It is the Faith established by Jesus Christ in fulfillment with the Old Testament Scriptures. I will never leave. I would die for my Faith and the Church who protects and proclaims that Faith. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 6/15/2005 8:11:01 AM | Ok so you were out of town with no radio or TV and missed the drop of the name.
There is no difference colours are the same etc, idols(or statues are the same) Their pactices are relatively close to the same. Based on who does what they can get away with.
"Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
Look for CSTECH and Just me and Free that script is different than you thought it is....
No one has asked you to Leave but maybe Jesus has been trying to led you by your faith.
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 6/15/2005 8:31:03 AM |
Look for CSTECH and Just me and Free that script is different than you thought it is....
They have proven they cannot think for themselves (at least Just Me and Free anyway). I cannot take a person seriously when all they can do is quote from Jack Chick tracts.
I came to my OWN conclusions about the Catholic Faith. I went to the SOURCE I didn't rely on people who know nothing about it to teach me.
Jesus would NEVER ask me to leave His True Church.
God bless. 
Pax Christi,
the Baroness | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 6/15/2005 8:44:45 AM | WARNING:
I came to my OWN conclusions
Biblical Scripture states If you do not invlove God in your decisions and admit it by using his name, your doing it wrong.
And why are you so critical to this Jack Chick person. | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 6/15/2005 8:47:34 AM | "All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident." | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 6/15/2005 9:55:33 AM |
Biblical Scripture states If you do not invlove God in your decisions and admit it by using his name, your doing it wrong.
Biblical Scripture? There isn't any other kind, brother. You should be careful not to twist people's words to mean something that they don't. You are making it out to look like I left God out of the equation. You ASSUME and quite erroneously that because I CHOSE to become a Catholic that this was done without the leading of the Holy Spirit.
You'd do well to avoid the appearance of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, it is the ONE sin that CANNOT be forgiven.
I will not explain to you what coming to my OWN conclusions about Catholicism means. You are not a Bishop, so therefore I am not subject to you.
"Obey your prelates and submit to them; for they are keeping watch over your souls, as men who will have to give account. Let them do this joyfully, and not sadly, for that would be of no advantage to you." (Hebrews 13:17)
"All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed, second it is violently opposed, and third, it is accepted as self-evident."
Funny, this is a quote used by Catholic Apologists. It accurately describes my journey home to the Catholic Church.
Friend, are you not understanding that I used to believe the things you do about the Catholic Church and Catholicism? I tested those beliefs and found them FALSE. Can't you just accept that? You are not responsible for my salvation. You are responsible for YOUR OWN. Concentrate on that. Let me worry about my OWN relationship with my Lord.
Pax Christi,
the Baroness | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 6/15/2005 10:59:02 AM | Oops have to correct you once again the quote is of no catholic priest it was from Schopenhauer who was, as a philosopher, a pessimist; he was a follower of Kant's Idealist school.
The work, though sales were very disappointing, was, at least to Schopenhauer, a very important work. Bertrand Russell reports that Schopenhauer told people that certain of the paragraphs were written by the "Holy Ghost." | |
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| Why are christians so against catholics?
Posted: 6/15/2005 12:39:11 PM | For the 20 millionth time:
Catholics ARE Christian....just as Protestants and Orthodox(Greek,etc).
Sunnis and Shiites are...........wait a minute..........Muslim.
Orthodox(Hasidic,etc) and Reformed are......here it comes........Jewish.
Christianity is the faith....Catholism,Protestant,Orthodox is the denomination.
Protestant is the denomination....Morman,Babtist,Methodist,etc is the sect. | |
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