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| anti-american and anti-christian on here
Posted: 5/13/2005 12:15:10 PM |
Absolutely, which is one of the reason I adamanatly oppose the Catholic church. The idea that you have to go through another person to speak with God is absurd.
Perhaps you might reserve your disapproval for subjects you know something about.
I may no longer be a practicing Catholic, but I never had to go through anyone else to speak to God. In fact, next time I talk to Him I am going to ask Him.... well, never mind. I don't think He likes us talking smack. | |
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| anti-american and anti-christian on here
Posted: 5/13/2005 12:18:46 PM | | I don't really view God as someone that would appreciate all the bowing and scraping that the curch seems to think is needed. God HAS to be pretty cool. I mean the inspiration for everythign wonderful and beautiful in teh world came from someonwhere didn't it? God gave us beer, parties, love, children, sex, and every other action or item that causes us joy or happiness. Why on earth do people think that he wouldn't be a cool guy to talk to or hang out with? Just my view of course. God is A OK in my book......not in the least because he gave us the ability to CHOOSE what we think is the appropriate way to approach him. | |
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| anti-american and anti-christian on here
Posted: 5/13/2005 12:29:19 PM | msquared, you stated,
"Just a quick tip:
If you think you are a Christian, and you think your religion gives you the okay to blast others on the way they live their life, then I have bad news for you, you aren't really a Christian at all.
A true Christian may disagree with the way others live their life, but they won't attack them for it. They won't use propaganda and twist the facts to try to make others into outcasts. If you do this, and someone argues against you, they aren't being anti-Christian. They are being anti-jerk. "
This actually goes 100% against what Christ taught. I agree that many Christians may not go about witnessing in the right way, but no where does the Bible tell us NOT to tell others that their way of life might not be the right way. Christ often told others that their way of life was not right.
Some verses of reference include:
John 4 (story of the woman at the well)
John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: NO MAN COMETH UNTO THE FATHER, BUT BY ME.
John 8:3-11 (these is the often-used verses which describes the woman taken in the act of adultery, where Jesus says "He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." However, pay careful attention to the LAST THING Jesus says to her.)
3And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
7So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
11She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: GO, AND SIN NO MORE.
The Christian is not "judging" others by simply telling the world of God's judgement - that God (not the Christian) has judged all the world as being guilty before Him (Romans 3:19,23). Jesus was able to offer that woman forgiveness for her sin, b/c He was on His way to die on the cross for her. She acknowledged Him as "Lord," but he still told her, "Go, and sin no more." If she didn't repent, she would perish. | |
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| anti-american and anti-christian on here
Posted: 5/13/2005 12:33:38 PM | Christ often told others that their way of life was not right
Ok, I can listen to Jesus if I want - that doesn't mean I have to listen to anyone who owns a Bible and thinks s/he should interpret it for me. | |
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| anti-american and anti-christian on here
Posted: 5/13/2005 12:46:47 PM | shore66-
If you don't want to listen to anyone else, then that's fine. I would say, if you're interested, look at the Bible, and it's definition of sin.
The Bible says in Romans 3:23, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,"
That means EVERYONE HAS SINNED, including myself. That's not me saying that, it's the Bible saying it. Again, referencing John 14:6, Christ said, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."
That means, I don't have to know you to know that you have sinned and to know that if you don't/haven't except(ed) Christ, you will go to hell. That's it plain and simply. There are many who call themselves Christians who don't even follow this line of thinking. In all honesty, they aren't Christians.
Like I said before, you don't have to listen to me if you don't want to. You did say however, that you would listen to Jesus. If that really is the case, look at Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and make sure that your life lines up with what Jesus taught. | |
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| anti-american and anti-christian on here
Posted: 5/13/2005 12:54:42 PM |
look at Matthew, Mark, Luke and John and make sure that your life lines up with what Jesus taught.
Gee! I only wish everyone who calls themselves a "Christian" would actually do that, read the book they all claim to believe in (and actually "think" about it too). | |
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| anti-american and anti-christian on here
Posted: 5/13/2005 12:56:36 PM |
There are many who call themselves Christians who don't even follow this line of thinking. In all honesty, they aren't Christians.
You missed my point, which was that just because you own a Bible doesn't mean you have the right to tell others how to interpret it.
Let's leave it up to God to determine who the true Christians are. | |
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| anti-american and anti-christian on here
Posted: 5/13/2005 1:04:08 PM | I understand, you just have to realize that as a Christian, we are COMMANDED to tell others about Christ.
Mark 16:15 says,
"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."
Again, some Christians may not go about it in the BEST way, but most are just doing what they, AS CHRISTIANS, have been commissioned to do.
This is why I feel that right-wing Christians have a better feel of what is actually going on within the militant muslim community. We understand that they feel that they have been commissioned to "slay the infidel." This is also why appeasment WILL NEVER WORK. When a person feels that God wants them to do something, nothing any man tells them is going to sway them doing it. | |
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| anti-american and anti-christian on here
Posted: 5/13/2005 1:18:01 PM | I understand, you just have to realize that as a Christian, we are COMMANDED to tell others about Christ.
It's funny how seldom the right wing Christians feel compelled to tell others that Christ said, "Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you." Or, "Blessed are the merciful."
Or that bit about how hard it is for a rich man to get into Heaven... | |
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| anti-american and anti-christian on here
Posted: 5/13/2005 1:22:58 PM |
I understand, you just have to realize that as a Christian, we are COMMANDED to tell others about Christ.
People opposed to intolerance are compelled to tell others they are expressing it, ...when they are pressing their faith on others.
Being Christian does not give anybody the right to be oppressive, ... or to be immune from being called on it.
late™
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| anti-american and anti-christian on here
Posted: 5/13/2005 1:37:51 PM | I am Christian.I am American. I am NOT anti either. I feel intelligent people should be able to question the actions of men and women who belong to the same group as well as those who belong to other groups.Just because someone happens to claim christianity DOES NOT exempt them nor their actions from criticism.The same is true about American or ANY other group. As I said I am not anti-Christian nor antiAmerican........I AM ANTI-Bushianity. Those who take any opposition of the Bush/republican agenda as being anti American or Anti Christian tend to hold GwB with such regard that any critism of Bush is met with a (unholy)crusade/Jihad.
Kind of interestingly appropriate that they'd think that ALL on a Canadian owned and operated site SHOULD fall in line with them,and agree with ALL things Repulican-American.Those who don't get bashed and if they happen to be...oh say Canadian ..Canada gets bashed,even fellow Americans who happen to disagree get bashed.I had 1 poster who was an American female tell me about an American "traditon" then go on to say "I believe its true with your heritage too"  .......hmmm.
Its not that some are pro GWbush even,Bushianity goes beyond that.Bushites are philosophicaly just as extreme and fanatical as the fanatical moslems they often criticize.Their rhetoric is just as inflamatory if not more. | |
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| anti-american and anti-christian on here
Posted: 5/13/2005 1:38:41 PM | Late-
Again, you don't have to take my word for it...read the statements made by Jesus in the verses I mentioned. If I'm being intolerant and/or oppressive in the way i go about witnessing then YOU HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO CALL JESUS INTOLERANT AND/OR OPPRESSIVE as well.
Once more, Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father except through me."
And once more, the Bible says, "for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."
So if I tell you that you are a sinner, don't accuse me of being intolerant/oppressive...accuse the Bible of it. And if I tell you that Jesus is the only way to get to heaven, don't accuse me of being intolerant/oppressive...accuse Jesus of it.
I am merely relating what the Bible has said. If you choose not to listen, then it's obviously your choice to make. | |
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| anti-american and anti-christian on here
Posted: 5/13/2005 1:43:28 PM | So if I read someting in a book, I can badger someone about it, ...without being accountable?
I've been reading up on Christian crimes against humanity over the years...
"You are in a religion that murders in the name of your saviour"
Like that?
Call you a murderer? ........'cause a book I believe says so?
cool..........
Because I read it in a book, I'm not accountable for my words......
Or does this rule only apply to Christians?
late™
(non-American, non-Christian)
Edit:
..Canada gets bashed,even fellow Americans who happen to disagree get bashed.
Actually I find it refreshing that more Americans agree with the Canadian way of doing things and our culture, ....than there are Canadians. I'm not Anti-American or Anti- Christian, ........just Anti-Intolerance and Anti-Oppression...... | |
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| anti-american and anti-christian on here
Posted: 5/13/2005 1:54:41 PM | Late-
List some examples...
Like I said before, just b/c a person calls themselves a Christian, that doesn't necessarily make them (nor their cause) one.
Matthew 7:15-23
15"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' | |
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| anti-american and anti-christian on here
Posted: 5/13/2005 1:57:07 PM | | Religion is like a BANK one has to agree or be banished and when you get a bunch of idiots setting the pace,you get chaos,Religion is but a few men controling your way of thinking and thus you are a ROBOT to them.......hey! how well does your pastor or priest live...bet pretty well right......Bush is America's POPE.....AND he has set that path...Hitler was a pope too..THE NAZI POPE. | |
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| anti-american and anti-christian on here???
Posted: 5/13/2005 2:01:09 PM |  As Believers in JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD, we will always be in conflict with The World at large... ...if you have a problem with this fact,perhaps you might reevaluate you conviction's and your faith,because current events dictate that soon all Christians,Muslems and Jews will be rounded up and exterminated,in The American Consentration Camps, it is just our fate,so you can live scared or Die well,believing in The Promice...(-; | |
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| anti-american and anti-christian on here???
Posted: 5/13/2005 2:53:37 PM | | One day many years from now the single remaining relic of our time will be a back-up tape of the POF site, which future generations will regard as the true word of God spoken by many typing fingers. | |
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| anti-american and anti-christian on here???
Posted: 5/13/2005 3:56:17 PM | List some examples...
When a person feels that God wants them to do something, nothing any man tells them is going to sway them doing it.
How 'bout just one, .....there are many more....
1492 to now
Western Hemisphere Christians
Aboriginals
Millions or tens of millions
Some cultures even celebrate their murderous Christian tendancies
Christopher Columbus has been a genuine American hero since at least 1792 when the Society of St. Tammany in New York City first held a dinner to honor the man and his deeds." Columbus Day has been celebrated as a national holiday since 1934 in honor of this dedicated and courageous explorer. Unfortunately, his character had a dark side.
Columbus described the Arawaks -- the Native people in the West Indies -- as timid, artless, free, and generous. He rewarded them with death and slavery. For his second voyage to the Americas, "Columbus took the title 'Admiral of the Ocean Sea' and proceeded to unleash a reign of terror unlike anything seen before or since. When he was finished, eight million Arawaks -- virtually the entire native population of Hispaniola -- had been exterminated by torture, murder, forced labor, starvation, disease and despair. As a Spanish missionary, Bartolome de las Casas, described it: We dismembered, beheaded, or raped 3000 people in one day. They cut off the legs of children who ran from them. They poured people full of boiling soap. They made bets as to who, with one sweep of his sword, could cut a person in half. They loosed dogs that 'devoured an Indian like a hog, at first sight, in less than a moment. They used nursing infants for dog food. The Spaniards eventually went on to conquer Mexico and the southern U.S.
The genocide against American Natives was one of the most massive, and longest lasting genocidal campaigns in human history. It started, like all genocides, with the oppressor treating the victims as sub-humans. It continued until almost all Natives were wiped of the face of the earth, along with much of their language, culture and religion.
Happy Columbus Day!!!!!!!
Only the mass murder of European Jews by Christians from 306 to 1945 CE was of longer duration.
But it's okay, ....a book made 'em do it. | |
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| anti-american and anti-christian on here
Posted: 5/13/2005 4:13:04 PM | Well, the anit-american thing is definitely more anti-bush. When he wanted to invade iraq he did it without UN backing. He said from sept. 11th "you're either with us or against us" to the rest of the world. His justifications are weak for the things he's done. I understand the iraqi people were suffering under saddam, but man, you don't just go into another country and try to "liberate" it. Iraq has the second largest oil deposit in the world, and George W. Bush and Daddy Bush own millions in petroleum in the middle east, how's that for motivation to invade?
And I can speak from personal experience about christians... A lot of Christians are good people, who live normal lives. Then you have the ones who go up to strangers to "witness" to them. I think it's mostly the pentacostals and charismatic christians that give all other a bad name.... rolling in aisls being "slain in the spirit", crap like that. It's a bunch of theatrics, and I even got a christian to admit to one time that she would fake being "slain in the spirit". Speaking in tongues, and all that.... come on! Grow up. But then there are the good christians who actually live a good life and are helpful of others and let their actions speak for them. Those are the chritians I respect not The John Hagees or dare I mention Benny "get you head out of your ass" Hinn.
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| anti-american and anti-christian on here
Posted: 5/13/2005 4:21:16 PM | what makes you think millionaires are motivated by millions?
Exactly! ....money's no fun for some unless someone else suffers.......
All that profit has to come from somewhere, ....especially when there's no actually "work" involved.
"How was your day at the office honey.....?"
"Not bad, ....it was a slow week, but ....the poor and impoverished are still where they are, and we aren't them, soooooo ....it's not all that bad." | |
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| anti-american and anti-christian on here
Posted: 5/13/2005 9:39:18 PM | Hey late..money and life are not a zero sum game...
Wealth can be created, and the way to get wht you want, is to make those working with/ for you get what they want also. | |
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| anti-american and anti-christian on here
Posted: 5/13/2005 10:03:31 PM | | Easytag, I have no problem with a Christian simply telling someone what they are doing is wrong (although the Christians interpretation of it might actually be what is wrong). It is when they use religion as a weapon to attack a person, group, or thing they don't like that I take exception to. Such as trying to get eliminate basic human rights for other religious groups, or homosexuals. Or trying to get a ban on things such as movies, books or video games. | |
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