watched this activist on Lou Dobbs flat out call him a racist who supports vigilante groups and associated him to groups like the KKK and other truely racists groups. She had no other argument other than a personal attack that he was a racist. That is like going into a debate and at the end saying "f*ck you!" and thinking you won. She didn't want to debate the immigration issue she just wanted to slander and call names.

http://www.woodruffplace.com/node/1
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Obama: Immigration enforcement equals terror
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=69612

Sen. Barack Obama, speaking to the annual conference of the National Council of La Raza yesterday, pumped up the crowd by describing how Hispanic communities are "terrorized" by government immigration officers

"When communities are terrorized by ICE immigration raids," Obama said, "when nursing mothers are torn from their babies, when children come home from school to find their parents missing, when people are detained without access to legal counsel, when all that is happening, the system just isn’t working, and we need to change it."

But what does Obama want to do ?
Grant Amnesty.
it will cause more "illegals" to move to the States, because they wont fear persecution

... "when nursing mothers are torn from their babies, when children come home from school to find their parents missing, when people are detained without access to legal counsel, when all that is happening, the system just isn’t working, and we need to change it."

Obama, is his attempt to appease Hispanics,...goes overboard, and tries to gain their respect and support,..by bad talking our own Country,.

Obama will NOT be happy, till this Country is Bankrupt, and overflowing will "illegal" Criminals that will lead to the further demise, of our once great Country.

What we need to do,..is actually ENFORCE the existing Laws of our nation,

There are Laws in place, and ways to solve this "illegal" problem, without breaking our system,

Oh, yes! Another forum to keep on bashing Obama and spew some more of the same hate that we see in forum after forum.

That's right! The laws in our country say that it is illegal to hire people who are in our country "illegally." Those employers should be heavily fined and sent to jail for breaking the law. Remove the profit motive from those who are enriching themselves by breaking the law and exploiting people who are desperate to work so that they can help their families, and you might see that soon enough the word that there are no jobs in America for people who don't have legal documents will be spread around the Mexican villages. That would most likely be an incentive to people to not risk their lives crossing the border without the certainty of a job on the other side.

Like I said, if no employers hire the "illegals," very soon they will get the message that there is nothing for them to stay around: no work, no money. It is a well know fact that a large number of "illegals" went back home during this recession because they couldn't find work. It didn't cost the government any money for them to go back. They just left.

You want to solve the problem: talk to your side, the republican conservatives, members of the Chambers of Commerce that talk with both sides of their mouths: flaming against illegal aliens while at the same time hiring them to exploit their labor and keep the lid very tight on wages in this country

I have sympathy for the Hispanics in their native country, that their own Government
does little, or nothing to help improve their lives.

But I have great disdain, for our Leaders, that thinks allowing Illegal Immigrants into our Country, in an attempt to improve their lives,... yet takes away from our quality of life, and creates a Burden that will very likely bankrupt our Country.

The New USA War.....Illegals....

The Thread Topic is about "Illegals ",.....

NOT,....."Legals"

So more raids -- a lot more -- might be on the horizon.

Or at least be kind enough to stick with the Thread Topic.

Lets see,...where were we ?????

Awwww yes,...."illegals", and the "New War" on them.

AP: Illegal immigrant linked to thousands of bogus IDs
Published 10/17/2009 in Local News

WICHITA (AP) -- A Mexican citizen whom prosecutors have linked to thousands of U.S. birth certificates produced for illegal immigrants faces a January sentencing in a separate identity theft case filed more than a decade after his activities first surfaced.

Jorge Alvarez Rivera, also known as Daniel Salas, has became a poster child of sorts in presentations by Kansas officials about identity theft since 830 state birth certificates were found in his trunk after a 1998 traffic accident near Liberal.

The Kansas Department of Health and Environment's Office of Vital Statistics and the Kansas Social and Rehabilitative Services conducted record searches on those documents and estimated the state was paying out $200,000 per month, or about $2 million annually, to 55 illegal immigrant families whose names were on some of those 830 documents found in his trunk.

Those benefits paid to illegal immigrants who were using his fraudulent documents included state payments for medical costs, aid to dependent children and food, said Donna Calabrese, director of the state's Office of Vital Statistics.

"I would like to see that this time it is taken seriously," she said Friday. "It cost the taxpayers dearly."

Rivera was never prosecuted in the 1998 incident despite the fact that his trunk, which popped open during the accident, was later found to contain not just the Kansas documents but thousands of U.S. birth certificates, hundreds of Mexican documents and $10,000 in cash.

"We kept seeing the repercussions -- and that is just one case," Calabrese said. "There are multiple operations where people are manufacturing false identities, including vital records."

But that traffic wreck has come back to haunt Rivera in a separate case working its way through federal court in Wichita. Rivera, 62, will be sentenced Jan. 11 after pleading guilty last month to making a false claim of U.S. citizenship and identity theft.

Prosecutors say Rivera sold two sets of false identification, including a birth certificate and a Social Security card, to an undercover government informant. Rivera also indicated at the time that he had additional sets of false documents for sale.

His defense attorney, David Freund, did not return phone and e-mail messages for comment.

Jim Cross, spokesman for the U.S. attorney's office in Kansas, confirmed no charges were filed for the 1998 incident and said he did not know why there was no prosecution back then.

"We were seeing just one case, but back in 1998 some of the prosecutors and judges weren't really tuned in to how serious this kind of fraudulent activity was," Calabrese said.

Calabrese said she got a call this past summer from Assistant U.S. Attorney Matt Treaster asking what she knew about Rivera because he had been arrested again, and she gave him the information she had compiled.

If U.S. District Judge J. Thomas Marten accepts the plea deal his defense attorney struck with prosecutors, Rivera would be sent to federal prison for 30 months in January.

Rivera has remained jailed since a magistrate judge found him to be a flight risk, citing in part the false documents found in the 1998 accident. U.S. Magistrate Judge Donald Bostwick also noted that Rivera -- who claimed to be netting only $150 in monthly income -- had $16,000 in savings and a house worth $50,000 that he owned free and clear.

Benefits to the illegal immigrants whose names were found on documents in Rivera's trunk have since been cut off, and the state has taken steps requiring proof of citizenship and confirmation of birth certificates in an effort to ensure those receiving state benefits are entitled to them, Calabrese said.

Until "OUR GOVERNMENT' enacts E-Verify for all employers and enforces it

Illegals are law breakers and law breakers are criminals.......there should be no rewards.

"The Kansas Department of Health and Environment's Office of Vital Statistics and the Kansas Social and Rehabilitative Services conducted record searches on those documents and estimated the state was paying out $200,000 per month, or about $2 million annually, to 55 illegal immigrant families whose names were on some of those 830 documents found in his trunk."

Until "OUR GOVERNMENT' enacts E-Verify for all employers and enforces it....and discontinues birth right....the problem will have no end.....

is not racism, discrimination or any other nasty accusation pro-amnesty people want to label us with

Unless you can provide a credible link to the story that you posted here I will call bullsh.t on it. The story seems to be as bogus as the documents that Jorge Alvarez Rivera sold to the undercover agents and also used for his own false identity.

This time, man in identity theft case can't escape his crime
By ROXANA HEGEMAN
The Associated Press
Posted on Fri, Oct. 16, 2009 11:04 PM

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/story/1513064.html

WICHITA | A Mexican citizen was never prosecuted after his car trunk popped open 11 years ago, revealing a stash of more than 800 Kansas birth certificates and other fraudulent documents.

But Jorge Alvarez Rivera now faces a January sentencing in a separate identity theft case.

“I would like to see that this time it is taken seriously,” Donna Calabrese, director of the state’s Office of Vital Statistics, said Friday.

Rivera, also known as Daniel Salas, became a poster child for Kansas officials making presentations about identity theft since 830 state birth certificates were found in his trunk after a 1998 traffic accident near Liberal, Kan.

After conducting record searches, state officials estimated that Kansas was paying out $200,000 per month, or about $2 million annually, to 55 illegal immigrant families whose names were on some of those 830 documents.

Those benefits included state payments for medical costs, aid to dependent children and food, Calabrese said.

“It cost the taxpayers dearly,” she said.

Before you start calling stuff "bullsh.t",....maybe YOU should do a little research yourself,....

maybe YOU should do a little research yourself,....

Before you attack someones post, why dont YOU find something , like a "LINK" that disproves it,..

Please QUIT following me around, trying to discredit me, my post, and other peoples Threads where I post. .....before you continue your attacks on any thread I post in.

but this Thread is about "illegals", and their abuse, of our system.,
and the cost involved.

Or at least be kind enough to stick with the Thread Topic.

Lets see,...where were we ?????

Awwww yes,...."illegals", and the "New War" on them.