Unless you can provide a credible link to the story that you posted here I will call bullsh.t on it

People should do their own research, before opening their mouths or using their fingers to attack others credibility.

How the hell did former President Clinton get brought into this? just shaking my head.

I do believe the Associated Press is a recognized reliable News Organization and their reporters WOULD verify the credibility of information used in one of their news stories.

I have news for you, I did my own research. Why do you think I called bullsh.t on your story? I know that I am older than 61, and I do allright dealing with people who post sh.t in these forums.

What you mean is,..YOU do allright posting your "sh.t" in therse Fourms.

You have NOTHING, to back up your claim,....not one link,..where as the page I viewed had lots of Links pertaining to this Thread Topic.

NOTHING,...repeat,...NOTHING,...like in most all your post,...and your Chums post,
there is no credible evidence, nor "LINK" to back up anything you say.

Is this just another "Conspiracy" of yours ?

You want MORE, than just the one "LINK" ,than the one I posted earlier ?

How many "LINKS" would it take ?

Its a waste of time to provide any more Links, because your mind is already made up.
Proof, means nothing to you, or your cronies,...you've already shown that.

If, you have no PROOF,..then please don't bother other posters that at least provide links to back up their Post.

Roxana Hegeman/AP: the $5 Swift sausage scare
Roxana Hegeman of the Associated Press offers "Immigration raids may affect meat prices". Per her, the only way to keep prices low is to allow companies to flagrantly violate the law:

When hordes of police and immigration officials stormed meatpacking plants in six states this week, the illegal workers arrested may not have been the only victims.

Consumers and the industry itself may be feeling the repercussions in a shortage of meatpackers, higher wage costs and, ultimately, higher prices for the beef that lands on America's tables at home and in restaurants...

about the facts until I am provided with proof that the old part of the story is factually correct.

Until you can produce valid information, other than just an attack, that the facts of this story are bogus, why don't you just sit still and wave your MEXICAN FLAG. It's easy to see where your coming from and your purpose, in attacking "pro immigration enforcement" and "anti illegal" positioned folks

Since I live in SW Kansas and feel I am more knowledgeable than you, as to what has transpired in Kansas, over the last 20 years regarding dealing with the "illegals", I feel I am in a much better position to make a judgement on the validity of an AP News story, regarding the cost to our Citizens/Taxpayers, of the issue of "ILLEGALS", published in our papers.

It is not my intention to get side railed, debating oranges for apples with you. I will just stick to MY Opinion on the issue and support information regarding MY Position and leave it up to you to PROVE, the possible inaccuracy of the information, ....IF YOU CAN. Other wise I tend to believe the story until it is proven inaccurate.

I and many other parents have tried to teach our children to obey the laws and allowing law breakers to continue to reside here, unchallenged, unprosecuted or sent home is hypocritical of our Government, our laws and the citizens who support rewarding law breakers. I don't care who they are or what laws they break, they should be called accountable for their actions.

We can not teach our children to OBEY THE LAWS OF THE LAND and then say......but oh well, we can pick and chose which ones to obey and enforce.

Then I suggest you teach your children to go in and rip a baby from the mother's breast and send it to an orphanage and ship the mother back home. I'll be teaching my children to look for fair solutions that will help all who are involved

Most who have entered our country illegally still have family members in their country of origin, whom they visit on a regular bases, using their stolen id's to pass back and forth across the borders and send millions of dollars back to relatives still living in their country of origin, as documented by the millions of dollars wired from the USA to bank accounts and people still living in other countries.

I was not myself in attendance, but information from a trusted, reliable source, informed me that young girls here illegally, are coached to get pregnant at a very young age, even at 13 years of age, to get pregnant, deliver an anchor baby to help ensure it complicates the deportation process and most likely will guarantee deportation procedures will not be processed against them.

I've said it before ... if you want the "illegal" problem to decrease ... crack down on the people who are hiring them. Once the word gets out that even if a person does illegally enter our borders they will not find work ... it will be less interesting to illegally enter our borders.

f you did come from another country and are now an American Citizen, and you support criminal activity, then you are a liar and a hypocrite, because I believe you took an oath to uphold the Laws of the United States and it does not appear to me that your support and beliefs are aligned with the oath you took. Sorry, but that is the way I see it.

Where have you ever seen me say.........Don't prosecute the EMPLOYERS.

Until "OUR GOVERNMENT' enacts E-Verify for all employers and enforces it....and discontinues birth right....the problem will have no end.....

Until "OUR GOVERNMENT' enacts E-Verify for all employers and enforces it....and discontinues birth right....the problem will have no end.....

......"You know what the laws are, You know whats right and whats wrong and if you chose to break the law thinking your not going to get caught or do something you know is wrong and get caught.............you give up the right to complain about the concquences you have to pay for your decissions. It was your choice. No one did anything TO YOU, you did it to yourself"

Can you explain how would it work when the government "discontinues birth right." That would require amending the constitution, correct? How would that work

YOU ARE the scholar with the graduate degree.........how bout you explaining it to me.....

how bout you explaining it to me.....The why's it might be difficult, the laws that would need to be changed and how it could be brought about. Lord knows we need it changed.

BTW, I corrected your misspelled "ammending". wink

Obama: Immigration enforcement equals terror
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=69612

Sen. Barack Obama, speaking to the annual conference of the National Council of La Raza yesterday, pumped up the crowd by describing how Hispanic communities are "terrorized" by government immigration officers

"When communities are terrorized by ICE immigration raids," Obama said, "when nursing mothers are torn from their babies, when children come home from school to find their parents missing, when people are detained without access to legal counsel, when all that is happening, the system just isn’t working, and we need to change it."

Sen. Barack Obama, speaking to the annual conference of the National Council of La Raza yesterday, pumped up the crowd by describing how Hispanic communities are "terrorized" by government immigration officers.

"Our duty is to ensure laws are enforced," San Diego ICE spokesperson Lauren Mack told WND. "The people who violate those laws should understand they are subject to arrest and removal."

Mack explained that the ICE's enforcement operations are not random acts of shock meant to intimidate or terrorize, but carefully planned and targeted arrests, backed by months of investigation and surveillance, similar to the steps police take to apprehend any form of criminal.

"Our agents are experienced and well-trained," she said. "They know ICE policies on dealing with families and always take humanitarian issues into account in any arrest situation."

In November of last year, following an incident where a mother and nursing baby actually were separated by ICE action, the agency released new written guidelines for handling single parents, pregnant women, nursing mothers and other special child or family care situations. The New York Times reported the new guidelines allow nursing mothers to be released unless they pose a national security risk.

"We are faced with these sorts of situations frequently, where a large number of individuals come illegally or overstay and have children in the United States," an ICE spokesperson told the Times. "Unfortunately, the parents are putting their children in these difficult situations."

This "illegal" problem should of been addressed years ago,..

You don't even bother to read the links provided, do you ?

All you can do is "ATTACK - ATTACK - ATTACK"

Why dont you try reading the link given, to get the whole story, so you can see how wrong you are....before you go straight into your "ATTACK MODE".

Obama,....was addressing the National Council of La Raza, sucking up to them to get their support, and over exaggerated, and bad mouthed our Law Enforcement,...who's job is to arrest CRIMINALS, who break our Laws.

AP IMPACT: Citizens Held as Illegal Immigrants
AP IMPACT: In crackdown on illegal immigrants, American citizens get caught in dragnet
By SUZANNE GAMBOA Associated Press Writer
April 12, 2009 (AP) The Associated Press

Pedro Guzman has been an American citizen all his life. Yet in 2007, the 31-year-old Los Angeles native — in jail for a misdemeanor, mentally ill and never able to read or write — signed a waiver agreeing to leave the country without a hearing and was deported to Mexico as an illegal immigrant.

For almost three months, Guzman slept in the streets, bathed in filthy rivers and ate out of trash cans while his mother scoured the city of Tijuana, its hospitals and morgues, clutching his photo in her hand. He was finally found trying to cross the border at Calexico, 100 miles away.

These days, back home in California, "He just changes from one second to another. His brain jumps back to when he was missing," said his brother, Michael Guzman. "We just talk to him and reassure him that everything is fine and nobody is going to hurt him."

In a drive to crack down on illegal immigrants, the United States has locked up or thrown out dozens, probably many more, of its own citizens over the past eight years. A monthslong AP investigation has documented 55 such cases, on the basis of interviews, lawsuits and documents obtained under the Freedom of Information Act. These citizens are detained for anything from a day to five years. Immigration lawyers say there are actually hundreds of such cases.

It is illegal to deport U.S. citizens or detain them for immigration violations. Yet citizens still end up in detention because the system is overwhelmed, acknowledged Victor Cerda, who left Immigration and Customs Enforcement in 2005 after overseeing the system. The number of detentions overall is expected to rise by about 17 percent this year to more than 400,000, putting a severe strain on the enforcement network and legal system.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=7318392#

What about the "illegals" that "Terrorize" our streets and neighborhoods by Gang Intimidation, selling Drugs and committing acts of Rape, Robbery, and Murder, against law abiding Citizens

AP IMPACT: Citizens Held as Illegal Immigrants
AP IMPACT: In crackdown on illegal immigrants, American citizens get caught in dragnet
By SUZANNE GAMBOA Associated Press Writer
April 12, 2009 (AP) The Associated Press