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| The New USA War.....Illegals.... Posted: 10/28/2009 9:39:14 AM |
IF,....we ever get serious,....as Punishment,..we could use these "illegals" to build the Fence at the Border,..saving Millions in Labor, then where their time is up,..ship them to the other side with a Warning,..
"You come back again, and we catch you again,...your looking at 5 to 10 years Hard Labor !"
Getting the "illegals" to go back home wouldn't even be hard if every News paper from Coast to Coast had the same Headlines,... ILLEGALS TOLD TO LEAVE, OR BE DEPORTED-ANY ILLEGALS CAUGHT AFTER THIS 90 DAY GRACE PERIOD WILL GO TO PRISON FOR 5-10 YEARS-THEN DEPORTED For a person who is so concerned about what the supposed "illegals" are costing the US just being here on the streets, that would be a drop in the bucket compared to what it would cost the US to lock up all of the supposed "illegals" ... and then for 5 - 10 years?
It's also against the law to work inmates at "Hard Labor", so now you're talking about needing to change still another law in addition to the law that gives a person born in the US citizenship status.
I guess you've got a lot of work cut out for yourself there ... eh? | |
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| The New USA War.....Illegals.... Posted: 10/28/2009 10:18:55 AM | OK,...I wanted to read from your point of view,...but all you links did, was take me to a Web Page, of Search Links,...not a direct link.
The link is at the bottom of the quoted article. I tested it by putting it in the address line and clicked GO. It went directly to the article.
I understand that you want to have the "illegal aliens" removed from the country. I am not against controlling the "illegal immigration" problem that we have, but I don't have any illusions that just by deporting millions of Mexicans we will solve the problem once in for all times. Unless the underlying problems are resolved we will continue having the same problems, as people will continue taking their chances by crossing the border without authorization if they know that employers are hiring people without legal documents.
I am against the policies that encourage people to trample over other people's rights. I am especially opposed to giving carte blanche to criminals to violate the rights of American citizens and legal residents in the name of enforcement of the laws. Once you start giving the law enforcement agents reasons to act like criminals, by giving them quotas of arrest that they need to meet, or by offering them bonuses based on the number of arrests, there will be nothing to stop them from behaving like criminals. They will surely violate the rights of anyone who looks or sounds like an illegal alien. They may even help themselves to objects of value belonging to the people that they arrest, because their main motivation will be to profit from their enterprise of arresting "illegals," just as much as the employers of illegal aliens who knowingly hire them to exploit their labor, and then when payday comes, the employer calls the MIGRA to raid the place so the "illegals" have to run away without getting paid for their labor.
Check this story. (link provided below the quoted article.)
Report Says Immigration Agents Broke Laws and Agency Rules in Home Raids By NINA BERNSTEIN Published: July 22, 2009 The New York Times
Armed federal immigration agents have illegally pushed and shoved their way into homes in New York and New Jersey in hundreds of predawn raids that violated their own agency rules as well as the Constitution, according to a study to be released on Wednesday by the Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law.
The study by the school’s Immigration Justice Law Clinic, backed by several law enforcement experts including Nassau County’s police commissioner, found a widespread pattern of misconduct by agents from Immigration and Customs Enforcement after analyzing 700 arrest reports obtained from the agency through Freedom of Information lawsuits.
The raids were supposed to focus on dangerous criminals, but overwhelmingly netted Latinos with civil immigration violations who happened to be present, the study said. Raiders mistakenly held legal residents and citizens by force in their own homes while agents rummaged through drawers seeking incriminating documents, the report said.
Acting without judicial search warrants, the agents were required to obtain informed consent from a resident before they entered a private residence. But the study found that in 86 percent of the Nassau and Suffolk County arrest reports that it analyzed, and a quarter of the New Jersey cases, no consent was recorded.
“If any local law enforcement agency in the nation were involved in these types of widespread constitutional violations it would prompt a federal investigation,” said Lawrence W. Mulvey, the Nassau police commissioner, who led a panel that guided the Cardozo report. “Federal immigration agents simply need to play by the same rules as every other law enforcement officer.”
Immigration and Customs Enforcement responded with a brief e-mail statement defending the conduct of its agents and the home raids — the same kind of response it has made to similar criticism since the Bush administration vastly expanded their use in 2006."
In 2007, Mr. Mulvey sharply criticized raids that brought scores of agents from around the country to Long Island, some brandishing shotguns, and rousted many citizens and legal residents from their beds in what Nassau officials called a poorly planned antigang operation.
The report said a similar “cowboy mentality” emerged in many other raids. In Paterson, N.J., last year, legal residents from Guatemala and their 9-year-old son, a United States citizen, were threatened with guns by immigration agents who had entered their home while the boy’s mother was in the shower.
In a Staten Island case, an immigration judge recently ruled that the conduct of agents acting without a warrant was an “egregious violation” of fundamental fairness; they had entered a man’s bedroom armed with pistols, “forced him into the hall and required him to stand in his underwear before his brother, sister-in-law and their children.”
In an e-mail message obtained under a Freedom of Information request, a federal immigration agent in Connecticut invited a state trooper to join a scheduled set of raids in New Haven, writing: “We have 18 addresses — so it should be a fun time! Let me know if you guys can play!”
The report also found a strong suggestion of racial profiling in the difference between the ethnicity of the named targets — 66 percent Latino — and of the “collateral” arrests — 87 percent Latino in New Jersey and 94 percent on Long Island.
Such concerns have surfaced repeatedly around the country in news articles and lawsuits since 2006, when the Bush administration raised the arrest quota of each raiding team eightfold, to 1,000 a year.
Six months into the Obama administration, with the same spokesmen in place from the Bush years, Immigration and Customs Enforcement responded to the Cardozo report with a general defense of its agents.
"The men and women of I.C.E. are sworn to uphold the laws of our nation,” the agency said in an e-mailed statement. “We do so professionally, humanely and with an acute awareness with the impact enforcement has on the individuals we encounter. While I.C.E. prioritizes our efforts by targeting fugitives who have demonstrated a threat to national security or public safety, we have a clear mandate to pursue all immigration fugitives."
The Cardozo report said that Janet Napolitano, secretary of the Department of Homeland Security, had changed some policies that contributed to the abuses it found, like eliminating the arrest quota. But the report recommended more drastic steps.
Home raids should be “a tactic of last resort, reserved for high-priority targets,” and then only after agents have obtained judicial warrants, the report urged. A high-level supervisor should be on site, and home raids should be videotaped, it recommended.
Agents should have to note why they initially seized and questioned any person, the study said. “That’s the bread and butter of any arrest report,” said Peter L. Markowitz, who teaches at Cardozo and is one of the report’s authors. Such a note was missing from two-thirds of the arrest reports analyzed in the study.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/22/nyregion/22raids.html
So my question is Who are behaving like criminals?
My main concern is avoiding these situations by not giving anyone the incentive to behave like criminals when enforcing the laws. That is the reason why I prefer to enforce the law against the employers, because there is no need to make "mistakes" where the victims are always people who look and sound like the "illegal aliens."
Enforcing the laws against the employers of "illegal aliens" doesn't require acting violently, or trampling over people's civil and human rights. All it takes is to accumulate enough evidence to haul them into court, prove them guilty, fine them out of business, and give them a good vacation in the slammer.
Do a few of those and you will see how fast the other employers get the message, and the "illegals" start heading home when they can't get a job.
It may not be perfect, but that is my position. | |
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| The New USA War.....Illegals.... Posted: 10/28/2009 12:59:01 PM |
Enforcing the laws against the employers of "illegal aliens" doesn't require acting violently, or trampling over people's civil and human rights. All it takes is to accumulate enough evidence to haul them into court, prove them guilty, fine them out of business, and give them a good vacation in the slammer.
Do a few of those and you will see how fast the other employers get the message, and the "illegals" start heading home when they can't get a job.
I must say.........I agree with you.....100%  | |
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| The New USA War.....Illegals.... Posted: 10/28/2009 1:53:27 PM |
I must say.........I agree with you.....100%
Who would have thought of it?
Are you sure that you want to do that?
You're not kidding with me, are you?
I'm still shocked! This is the first time that I get someone from the other side to agree with me, 100% no less!
I think that I will go downstairs and treat myself to some tea and cookies to celebrate this event. | |
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| The New USA War.....Illegals.... Posted: 11/13/2009 8:56:54 AM |
1,200 Illegal Workers Fired in Minnesota Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 11:20 AM EST - posted on NumbersUSA
Minneapolis, Minn. In the largest immigration enforcement action under the Obama Administration, 1,200 illegal aliens working as janitors in Minnesota were fired last month. The illegal aliens worked for a San Francisco-based company, ABM, that is contracted to clean many of the office buildings in Minneapolis and St. Paul.
Shifting from the Bush policy of conducting worksite enforcement actions, the Obama Administration pressured the company to fire the illegal workers. The company has not said how big their Minnesota workforce was, but legal workers who continue working said about 80 percent of the workforce was fired.
Unlike the Bush-era enforcement actions, no action was taken against the fired workers. ABM will likely be prosecuted. Former ICE agent, Mark Cangemi, is unsure if the new strategy will prove to be effective.
"Why give people an opportunity to leave the employment without taking any action against them as individuals?" Cangemi told Minnesota Public Radio. "Put them into proceedings. Let them argue their case. If they have a case that allows them to remain in the United States under the law, so be it. If they don't, then the law stands to be enforced."
In an interview with MPR, an anonymous janitor said, "I really want people to hear -- and if possible even get to the ears of President Barack Obama -- that we don't come here for anything other than to work."
The unemployment rate in Minnesota in September was 7.3%. Of the 1,200 job openings created by the firings, apparently all the jobs have been filled.
Pressure of this sort, will help to turn the tide of the "illegal problem." If your company hires or does business with companies that hire "illegals" speak up and open jobs for unemployed Americans. There are unemployed Americans, waiting to fill these job openings. | |
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