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Posted: 10/17/2007 5:39:49 PM | Here's a link some folks might find educational. Although telling someone who's delusional that they're delusional is a lot like telling a person standing in the desert at noon that they're hot.
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/astrology.html | |
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Posted: 10/17/2007 8:19:09 PM | Astrology is far more complex than most people take into account. When people talk about their "sign" they mean their Sun sign: the position of the sun in the sky when they were born. It's the only sign that remains relatively constant from year to year so it is usually easy to determine based on your birthdate.
The thing is, you also have a sign for the moon, each of the other planets, and an ascendant - aka rising sign - which is the constellation on the horizon at the very moment of your birth. So that is 11 signs in total.
Your Ascendant also breaks the sky down into "Houses". Generally there are twelve houses of 30 degrees each (although in some systems the size of the Houses differ) starting at the horizon and then moving in a circle below the horizon, up the other side, and across the sky. Any particular combination of signs, houses and planets will have different meanings.
For instance, I am a Scorpio. Mercury, Venus and Neptune are also in Scorpio. (The former two tend to remain close to the Sun due to their inner orbits). However, Pluto, Mars, Uranus and my Ascendant are in Virgo, so I have a number of Virgo traits. My Virgo planets fall in my 12th House, while my Scorpio planets fall in the Second House.
And then my Moon is in Sagitarius and Jupiter is in Leo. Interestingly, Saturn is in Pisces which puts it in "opposition" with Virgo (180 degrees) and in "trine" with Scorpio (120 degrees). Which brings me to my next point: aspects.
Aspects are the angular relationships among the position of the planets, Sun, Moon and horizon at the time of birth. Aspects are also important for comparing the charts of two people, and for comparing the present positions with your birth chart. Unless you have done your own research, or consulted a professional astrologer, anytime you read your horoscope, it deals only with the birth position of your Sun compared to todays positions of the planets, Sun and Moon.
In general, a trine (120 degrees) is very good, which is why books will tell you that your idea match is one of the two other signs that is of the same element: the signs of each element form equilateral triangles, 120 degrees apart in the sky.
A sextile - 60 degrees - is still pretty good, but a square - 90 degrees - is c0nsidered problematic. The signs of people born 3 months apart are generally considered incompatible. They share the same "quality: cardinal, fixed or mutable. Leo and Aries are both fixed, so they don't tend to get along.
There are a hockey sock of other aspects which are multiples of 45 degrees (which tend to be negative) or multiples of 30 degrees (which tend to be positive).
For comparing the charts of two people for romantic compatibility, the Moon, Venus, Mars and Ascendant are just as important as comparing the Sun signs.
You can get a free, full birth chart here:
http://www.0800-horoscope.com/birthchart.php | |
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Posted: 10/17/2007 8:31:31 PM | > Astrology is far more complex than most people take into account.
Nothing is simpler than something which is wrong.
A bunch of meaningless jibberish designed to bamboozle people who have no idea what's being said doesn't change that. | |
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Posted: 10/17/2007 8:35:17 PM | | I was bored and this got me thinking...which usually leaves me bored too lol... I checked my compatible astrological sign.....so NOW I want cancer...ain't that a kick to the _ _ _ _ _ _?! | |
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Posted: 10/17/2007 8:55:04 PM |
Nothing is simpler than something which is wrong.
A bunch of meaningless jibberish designed to bamboozle people who have no idea what's being said doesn't change that.
You'd make a great literary or movie critic: "Who cares? It's all just fiction anyways!" | |
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Posted: 10/17/2007 9:05:33 PM | | People shouldn't go on Sun-sign compatibility alone. I am very much a Sagittarius, but I'd be compatible with a Taurus as well, since my Sun is in my 2nd house in my horoscope. Or with a woman with a Sagittarius Moon, since my Sun is in Sagittarius and my Moon is in the 9th house. | |
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Posted: 10/17/2007 9:29:06 PM | > You'd make a great literary or movie critic: "Who cares? It's all just fiction anyways!"
No, fiction and art in general at it's best goes out to the edge of communicable truth.
Astrology makes claims about observable reality which are easily shown to be false, or irrelevant at best. | |
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Posted: 10/17/2007 11:30:15 PM |
No, fiction and art in general at it's best goes out to the edge of communicable truth.
Astrology makes claims about observable reality which are easily shown to be false, or irrelevant at best.
As Scorpiomover noted earlier, astrology is more of an art than a science. I view it as an interesting pasttime. As with any pasttime (like the interests you mention in your profile: mountaineering, skiiing and sweaty-hot-monkey-sex) it has as much relevance as one chooses to assign to it.
From a philosophical viewpoint, if one is a Pragmatist in the spirit of William James, then the truth of a metaphysical proposition lies in the postive, practical effect that it has on one's life. If astrology offers people some entertainment or food for thought, without making them socially dysfunctional, there is no harm in "believing" in astrology.
From a scientific point of view, the most basic claim of astrology is that the position and movement of celestial bodies affects events on Earth. That is obviously not false: the tides and seasons move in cycles according to the positions of the Sun and Moon.
Additionally, the work of Michel and Francoise Galquelin, and those who followed them, revealed a number of statistically significant correlations between various astrological signs and aspects, and professional achievements. The evidence was controversial, and certainly not conclusive, but it remains as evidence none the less.
Of course, specific predictions of astrologers tend to be within the margin of error for pure chance, just as are the long term predictions of meteorologists, and the short term predictions of stock market analysts.
That being said, I wouldn't stay in a relationship with someone who has a pathological attachement to any belief or activity, be it astrology, mountaineering or sweaty-hot-monkey-sex. | |
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Posted: 10/17/2007 11:33:34 PM | Well I am a Libra....and apparently I love everyone and everyone loves me..
I have been told I am also well balanced....not sure about the libra scale but my bathroom scales says otherwise 
I see alot of me in what they say my sign is...I also seemed to be attracted to Gemini's and Aquarius people. Although I have a lot of loved ones that are either Cancer or Leo's....
I just see myself as well rounded and leave it at that...you will either love me or leave me...not sure how balanced that can be...
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Posted: 10/18/2007 1:01:11 AM | Hi MsSquirrly ... I'm also Gemini and my most disastrous relationships were with
Aquarians who seemed to be my nemesis ... easy to fall for but mmm the aftermath.
actually Trident038 ........I am a gemini and Libra, Aries, Aquarius, Leo are your compatible signs. I am really not sure I believe in it but I have to say ...in my life....libras have alway been copasetic with me.
so star signs can be a guide but not totally infallible. | |
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Posted: 10/18/2007 10:12:05 AM | To Murf167 in msg #76:
Thought I'd look up your reference (http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/astrology.html).
1) He says there are 4 forces in nature, when there are thousands for force. Scientists tried to combine them into 4. But these 4 combine and recombine into trillions of forces acting on trillions of particles. You would need a super-computer the size of the Sun to calculate the forces involved.
2) He says that the weak and strong forces are negligible, yet these forces have act on every particle all the time in loads of ways, totalling up a massive set of effects on everything we say, think and do.
3) He says that gravity would mean that the Moon would have a large effect but that Jupiter being farther away, would have a negligible effect, and yet he says this is not reflected in any Astrologer's horoscope. In reality, the Moon features heavily in any astrological chart, being the seat of emotions, family and the mother. However, even w/out that, Science tries to add up forces, to make it easier for scientists. But the reality is that each force acts on its own, and cannot be added up. For instance, the Sun's gravity is a lot stronger than the Earth's gravity, yet the Sun also has a small wobble, due to the Earth's gravity. So every force counts.
4) Then he says that you cannot count Electromagnetism because most large objects don't have an electric charge, and electric charges add up to be electrically neutral overall. However, scientists found that even neutral neutrons are actually a combination of a positive and negative charge, and even neutral energy such as light, is really a minute change in an Electro-Magnetic field. So everything is charged, positive or negative. As I said before, each force has its own independent effect, so you have to take this force into account as well.
5) Then he says that you cannot trust people, because his friend the stage magician Banachek makes people believe he does magic, when he's just doing stage magic. However, on Banachek's own website, he writes that as a kid of 18, he successfully fooled scientists for 2 years, and these scientists worked at a heavily funded facility, and we all know only very well-respected scientists get good funding. So scientists are even more gullible than regular people, who at least know that stage magic is just entertainment.
6) The one thing he quotes of studies done into astrology is Geoffrey Dean's PDF, and I cannot make head or tail of the statistics that he claims, which makes it all the more unreliable. As my study partner used to tell me, "If you understand it, you can explain it to someone else". This PDF cannot explain it clearly to me, and I have a degree in Mathematics.
7) Geoffrey Dean's PDF also cites Freud as a source against Astrology, and belittles Jung's work. Yet many psychologists now doubt Freud's work, and many agree with Jung, including those who follow the MBTI types on POF, which are based on Jung's work.
However you cut it, well-respected scientists believed a stage magician was a psychic when regular people would just call it stage magic.
I'm still waiting to see a clear, rigorous statistical study into the subject. Wonder why scientists just haven't seem to come up with a proper study that clearly scientifically discredits astrology and publish it in every journal and on every news station in the world? Could it be they are having a hard time proving their claims, despite their more-than-adequate funding? | |
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Posted: 10/18/2007 10:31:02 AM |
I'm still waiting to see a clear, rigorous statistical study into the subject. Wonder why scientists just haven't seem to come up with a proper study that clearly scientifically discredits astrology and publish it in every journal and on every news station in the world? Could it be they are having a hard time proving their claims, despite their more-than-adequate funding?
More than adequate funding? Who in the heck would ask for funding to do a study like you suggest? A scientist would be dismissed as a quack if they used the words astrology and study in the same sentence. To get a study going you would need to show why a sane person would expect there to be some correlation between human behavior and the "heavens" - so far I ain't heard one. | |
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Posted: 10/18/2007 10:34:18 AM | That would be the day I have to wait for two moons to line up on order to have sex
Just goes to show that pot has been smoked for thousands of years.
Everytime a girl I was seeing said we were not compatible because of this stuff ,I would make up my own Astrological methodology and she would fall for it every time. | |
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Posted: 10/18/2007 10:58:12 AM | This is all a form of personal belief and here's mine for what its worth.....Apologies for my deep thoughts .Its what I am personaly all about....
I completely believe that on the time date we were born we are affected by the where the planets stars sun are in the sky at that precise moment in time. After all the moon affects the tides and the moods of both people and animals. You can predict a persons deeper traits i.e how they will react to given situations by there star sign. However there upbringing there past life experiences and there experiences in this lifetime also shapes a person. If they have had traumatic experiences in life and they are perhaps a fire sign they will likely react in anger, Where an air sign will breeze over the problem and also aid the fire sign to stay alight. A water sign will wash over the earth sign whilst cleansing and healing therefore air and water signs are healers to the more angry fire and earth signs. We are all born with an another half and that other half will be compatible in equality with your sign. Our bodies are merely an earthed vehicle born of nature and evolution and used in order for our spirit to learn... Our spiritual soul is of the heavens and universe in need of this connection that we crave for taste smell touch and real solid feelings of love, yet love exits externally and eternally, which is why, whilst here... We all seek that other being. In our subconscious mind we know they do exist. I believe that Star and planetary movements are the very basis of our earthed bodies personality trait. Its how we utilise that trait that makes us who and what we are ultimatly. Its all about conscious thinking and being, overcoming jealousy anger bitterness and working with those around us with that given factor of which we were born, that is the test.
love ya all Catherine.xxx | |
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Posted: 10/18/2007 4:38:52 PM |
More than adequate funding? Who in the heck would ask for funding to do a study like you suggest? A scientist would be dismissed as a quack if they used the words astrology and study in the same sentence. To get a study going you would need to show why a sane person would expect there to be some correlation between human behavior and the "heavens" - so far I ain't heard one. Funny. That was the exact same argument that the Vatican used against Galileo. How can what you can see in the sky have any correlation with the whether the Earth move around the Sun or the Sun moves around the Earth?
Science is supposed to be about objectivity. Objectivity takes "you" out of the equation. So it doesn't matter if "you" cannot see a correlation. If enough people who seem to be smart see one, then it is objectively worthy of study.
However, science has become a career, not a body of knowledge, and has become subject to the mood and viewpoints of the current fad.
Everytime a girl I was seeing said we were not compatible because of this stuff ,I would make up my own Astrological methodology and she would fall for it every time. Smart. That doesn't mean Astrology sucks. It means the girl does. | |
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Posted: 10/18/2007 4:56:52 PM | Funny usually I don't like scorpios, but I think scorpiomover and I would get along just fine.
Really I don't put too much stock in this but there does seem to be something to it and being Christian I don't see it as some mystical phenomimon. If there is any validity to it I believe it to be a scientific one like gravitaional pulls etc.
Geminis and other Leos apply here.  | |
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Posted: 10/18/2007 5:02:54 PM | No, I don't think so and I don't believe in astrology...I believe in myself and what I want to... and really I don't know what kind of sign is in my profile ... I respect your opinion about that and if it's okay to you ...go for It ! but nothing work with astrology.
Be well | |
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Posted: 10/18/2007 5:06:18 PM | If my horoscope tells me something I want to hear...then I believe in Astrology. Otherwise it's all just crap. | |
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Posted: 10/18/2007 5:14:24 PM |
actually Trident038 ........I am a gemini and Libra, Aries, Aquarius, Leo are your compatible signs. I am really not sure I believe in it but I have to say ...in my life....libras have alway been copasetic with me.
Perhaps that is with you, but with me it always seemed sagitarians are my best match.
As far as the other signs you mentioned, I never had any luck with them.
V! | |
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Posted: 10/18/2007 8:07:12 PM | I'm intrigued by astrology ~ I don't live by it but I'm fascinated by how close the characteristics compare with the people I know and love. Perhaps if I'd read about the compatibility of the signs before my first marriage my life may have taken a different path. He is a Libra it's said marriage between an Aries and Libra is very rare. My daughters are the only good that came from that marriage 
I'm an Aries ~ my compatible signs are said to be another Aries, Gemini, Leo and Sagittarius.
I've never even dated another Aries but the pair is said to have a lasting and happy union.
Aries and Gemini ~ if in a relationship, it's said to be quite successful and explosive sexually My only sibling, my brother, is a Gemini ~ he and I get along very well. We've always been close. Never have I dated one though, hmmm.. explosive...
Aries and Leo if in a relationship, it's said to be a steady long term union My ex SO is a Leo. It ended after 5 yrs but we remain good friends. We just couldn't remain being a couple.
Embarking on a Journey (msg 14) was right on target about what the relationship between an Aries and a Sagittarius is ... My late husband was a Sag. What is said about that union in msg 14 couldn't be more right. It's also said that union is an ideal match. I hadn't ever heard nor have I ever read that until lately. I have to say, though that in my experience the information is correct. Some of my closest friends are Sags. so there must be truth in it. I find it interesting that my three closest relationships happen to be what astrology says I'm most compatible with.
I'm not so sure that I'm a true Aries because I don't like to argue or debate ... I'm always right - I know it to be true so it's a waste of time to argue with me  and I'm definitely not domineering. I don't know what time of day I was born, I can only remember my mom telling me years ago that I was born "before lunch" I think she mentioned it to be after 10 am. So I'll never know what my rising sun is ~ whatever that means.  | |
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Posted: 10/19/2007 9:05:03 AM | Till I came on this site didn't give it any thought.. I had heard so manytimes my god woman you are a gemini. thru and thru.. I always would think these ppl were nuts.
So do I look at my sign and theirs to find out if I like them as a person nope..
I am finding the more I read about them.Some people fit the cat. very well. I recently had a friend offer to do up my chart.. Not sure what it will reveal. but might be fun...
But I also know I do gravitate to gemini's and ppl that like to have fun.. | |
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Posted: 10/19/2007 9:14:49 AM | Do you think zodiac signs make a difference in a relationship? No.
I know of people, with the same birthdates, who have totally different personalities.
I know of a guy with the exact same birthdate as me, who's personality is nowhere near the same as mine.
If we were to believe the people who think star-signs are they main determining factor in our personality types: then shouldn't me andf a guy born within a couple hours of me have the same personalities?
What signs seem to work best for you? I don't care.
I'd rather get to know an individual person and their personalilty, and decide whether they're right for me. Rather than make that decision by broadly grouping everyone on the planet into 12 groups and deciding that just because a person's in one of those groups, they must be right, or wrong for me.
Maybe their sign has some bearing on their personality. Maybe it doesn't (I personally don't believe it does). But either way, if you're willing to get to know that person as an individual person, it will become clear to you if they're compatible with you or not. | |
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