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Posted: 11/27/2007 8:41:14 AM | nope, it's all superstitious hokum.
having said that, scorpios have always been big trouble for me.
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Posted: 11/27/2007 9:59:29 AM | Thank you, Catherine!
That was great of you to write this out for me. You have hit the nail pretty close. lol...He is born between July 4 and July 13. Now I know why the intense passion. Love it!
Thanks!
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Posted: 11/27/2007 10:23:05 AM | I love astrology. I don't base my life on it or anything, but I do believe that it has some very convincing points to it.
I personally am an Aquarian. Born on the 30th of January. My best friend and I were drawn to each other because we could talk for hours. We barely disagreed on anything, and couldn't believe how alike we seemed to be. We lived an hour apart so we only saw each other at our boyfriends ball games, for the first year and a bit. Phone calls and emails led to hanging out, and one day when talking about birthdays, low and behold we established ours is the same day. Five years apart, but the same day.
Now it gets a fair bit weirder than that as well... We had quite similar childhoods. We both have always had a few super close friends as opposed to a large group. We both see every side of the story, whether we like the other side or not, and therefore have a really easy time understanding where other people are coming from. We both prefer serious relationships to short term, and started families at the same age. Not only that, but our boyfriends that we met through, are both Leos.
Could all be coincidence, but I don't think that it is... = ) | |
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Posted: 11/27/2007 7:58:37 PM | I'm a Red Cosmic Skywalker looking for my Yellow Star.
http://www.tortuga.com/eng/decode/decodekin.php | |
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Posted: 11/27/2007 8:22:56 PM | I was born under The Yellow Sign, which means madness. Madness, destruction, and death- but mostly madness.
I love the zodiac. As soon as someone starts telling me that they're this way or that because they were born under such-and-such, I immediately know several important things about them, such as how gullible or easily entertained they are. It's so convenient!  | |
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Posted: 11/27/2007 8:50:46 PM | christinarae:
Sun signs of Astrology is a great thing, but no one talks about natal charts? A natal chart is different sun signs that fall into different houses when you are born. They play the largest part in how everyone is so different. Two people can be born on the same day/month/year, but in two differt parts of the world and not have the same natal chart. Sun signs are only a very small part of people. Only natal charts can tell you what a person is truely like!
I'm a Sagittarius with Libra rising. My Sun is conjunct Jupiter (both in Sagittarius) in the 2nd house by 4 degrees. My Moon's in Cancer in the 9th house.
Fire: Sun, Mercury, Jupiter, Neptune (4)
Earth: Venus (1)
Air: Saturn, Uranus, Pluto (3: I still consider Pluto a planet!)
Water: Moon, Mars (2)
Cardinal: Moon, Venus, Uranus, Pluto (4)
Fixed: (0)
Mutable: Sun, Mercury, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune (6)
The Mutable Fire sign, of course, is Sagittarius. I don't have any Fixed planets, so having a woman with several planets in Fixed signs would be a great balance for me.  | |
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Posted: 11/27/2007 10:56:15 PM | Astrology is a science. Considering someones sun sign and making decisions on that is like looking at a reflexology chart and trying to do surgery. Sun signs show us what a person may be predispositioned too, some character traits. I think its a great idea to keep it in mind, but dont toss something away because it doesnt fit. Try a good astrologer, birth charts, and compatability reports.
You will learn a ton about yourself, the other person, and challenges you may face, with knowledge to get through it.
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Posted: 11/27/2007 11:15:57 PM | | its interesting...and alot of fun...and sometimes its spooky how accurate it is.... | |
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Posted: 11/28/2007 2:10:39 PM | | I think when a woman uses the horoscope to guide her love life, it's a sure sign she's crazy in other ways as well. Or, that a slick player can manipulate her easily by knowing about all that stuff, and telling her what she wants to hear. Either way, not a good thing. | |
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Posted: 11/29/2007 8:44:55 AM | ABSOLUTELY!!!!!
It is a definate consideration for me. And there havent been too many instances when someones hasn't been typical of their personality characteristics of their Zodiac sign. People scoff at it... but there is a reason that astronomy and astrology predates every religion of the world. | |
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Posted: 11/29/2007 11:16:40 AM |
So the ebbs and flow of the tides are not pulled and released by the magnetism of the moon?
Correct, they are not. They are caused by the gravitational pull of the moon, and have nothing at all to do with magnetism.
The cycles of the sun around the earth are not linked to the cycles of the seasons. of nature of the bodily cycles of menstruation.
Correct again. The sun and the Earth's orbits and rotations aren't affected one whit by your bodily cycles, or even by your existence. Our body cycles, on the other hand, like the seasons, are influenced by the PHYSICAL effects of the rotation of the sun, moon, and Earth. This is because we are physical beings who are also physically affected by these things, as were all of the creatures who existed in Earth's past. We sleep at night because and are active by day. This is a far stretch from saying that I am more or less likely to be selfish because I was born when a certain group of stars happened to be overhead. Those stars' physical effects on me are limited to the small amount of light reaching me. In the grand scheme of things their effect on me is nothing more than minor psychological influence based on my observing them.
The placings of the universe are nothing to do with the inner self
Right again! The placings of the universe were determined billions of years before human beings, or even our primitive ancestors, existed. The light from the stars reaching us today was cast off years before you were even born. They are no more influenced by your inner self than they are by this forum thread.
.. okay. okay I get it .. I must be mad to think these things.
Only if your definition of madness is "superstitious", in which case I think well over 90% of the Earth's population would be considered "mad". But that's just my opinion (based on empirical evidence). If you enjoy believing it, don't let my opinion stop you! I have many friends who firmly believe in astrology. My opinion doesn't bother them any more than their opinion bothers me. To each their own. Most people believe in some form of power which can not be seen or scientifically explained, which helps guide the universe- call it God, Gods, Goddess, The Force, Flying Spaghetti Monster, whatever. Can't we all just get along?
but no more madder than the man who thought the earth was flat.. WOW WHAT A DISCOVERY.!!!!
Those who believed the Earth to be flat believed it because that was what the universe seemed to be based on their limited understanding. When empirical evidence came to light revealing the Earth to be round, then anyone who rejected that evidence could be considered ignorant or gullible. I've never seen a shred of evidence to indicate that astrology (which is not a science, but a religion or a superstition depending on how much you choose to follow it) is true. I have, on the other hand, seen great volumes of evidence indicating that it is not true. Saying that your comparison of a disbeliever of astrology being akin to someone who thinks the Earth is flat is inaccurate, is like saying that George W is not the greatest president the US has ever had. It's such a gross understatement that it seems foolish to even have to say it.
Love to all catherine aka star.. <--eeek they even named me after one.. sparkle.
I love stars. The poet in me wishes upon them, the artist in me is moved by them, the scientist in me is mesmerized by them. I just don't think that their position in the sky on the day I was born predicates my personality. When people who have been getting to know me try to guess what my sign is based upon my personality, they never guess correctly. Never. If there was even a shred of truth to it, wouldn't they be right at least 1 out of 12 times?
And my reference to madness had to do with a pun I was making about the "Yellow Sign", which is linked to madness, from a book about a play called "The King In Yellow", circa ~1895. Sorry if you didn't get it, I guess most people probably wouldn't, but I didn't think it would be misconstrued as insulting. I'm sorry if it offended you. | |
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Posted: 11/29/2007 2:05:43 PM | The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle has nothing to do with astrology, it is merely a statement that by trying to measure the speed of an electron, you are affecting its speed, because you can not measure it directly; you can only observe its effect on its environment. Thus, bombarding it with electrons to see how it affects them has in turn had an effect on it. This trend continues into other applications with less and less importance as the scale increases; for instance, it could be argued that by clocking a motorist with radar, you are affecting the speed of the vehicle because the microwaves bouncing off the car will slightly alter the speed of the car (by less than 1/1,000,000,000,000th of a mile per hour).
I'm not sure what this could possibly have to do with astrology except that the light from star constellations does have a minuscule effect on us physiologically; it's true effect however is pretty much psychological and restricted to what we think about them. The magnet running the hard drive in my computer has a greater effect on my life than do the positions of the stars.
Wave particle duality, again, not sure what the significance to astrology is. Light behaves like a particle and a wave and neither. All this tells us is that we don't know everything yet. In fact I doubt that the sum total of our knowledge of the universe amounts to a hill of beans when compared against the vast cosmic truth of reality. But this does little to convince me that a group of stars which from our relative position in the Milky Way galaxy could be imagined to slightly resemble a crab has somehow determined my life and destiny.
Quantum physics are so poorly understood that they couldn't really be used to prove anything, let alone something like astrology. I just don't see the connection.
And parallel universes are, as you said, mere speculation. Even if they exist, again, I don't see the validity. All of these fields are relatively new in science, and most of them are composed of speculation and guesswork. Only time will tell the truth about them, and astrology has been around so long that it could not possibly be based on these completely unrelated hypothesis.
It seems like you are trying to use complicated and confusing concepts in order to make a point, but I'm not seeing what the point is supposed to be unless it's that we are always learning new things. The more I learn about the universe, the more convinced I am that no astrologer can offer me any useful information about my personal life based on the position of the constellations. Truisms and good advice, sure; but these apply equally to all people regardless of the stars. We make choices based on what we believe. If I believe I am going to have a bad day, then guess what? I'm going to have a bad day.
I enjoy the symbolism and history of astrology, I even made a series of paintings based on each of the signs of the zodiac. But I have yet to be shown any evidence to convince me that it has any truth to it. | |
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Posted: 11/29/2007 3:28:18 PM | I think that astrology is a load of doo-doo. If it was real and had any usefulness whatever then it wouldn't be in the section of the paper as the comics, and there would be an astrological angle in every news story. For example, a news or analysis story on election results would factor in the position of the planets, etc. The only heavenly bodies that I pay attention to are the Sun and the Moon--depending on which calendar I am currently using.
That being said, I am definitely a Taurus. Whatever the heck that means! But I have not noticed whether I get on better with any particular sign.
On a similar topic, I once received a telephone call from a "psychic." She wanted to know if I wanted a psychic reading. I told her that if she didn't know the answer to that question, then she probably wasn't a very good psychic! | |
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Posted: 11/29/2007 4:01:47 PM | Akastar, your last response was very insightful, and I agree with much of what you've said in it.
Everything that we believe with conviction has an affect upon us.
This is precisely true. You can not get up in the morning truly believing that you are going to have a bad day, and then not have a bad day. We fulfill our own doubts, fears, and dreams.
and for some belief in whatever is necassary.
Again, I agree. I think it is very important for people to have faith in something more than what they see and feel every day, because if they didn't then life would be so mundane, painful and pointless that it would only cause despair, leading to even more painful, mundane, and pointless existences. People need to believe in something. But I like to choose my "something" as logically and realistically as possible.
You step off a building and you can surely say without any doubt that you will hit the ground at a rapid speed. Yet can you explain this law and how it works?
No, I can't explain how it works. But I can observe it and repeat it. I've never dropped a ball and not had it fall down. That is why I believe in gravity even though I can't explain it. If the ball always fell in a random direction, then I would say that gravity is a myth, but since it always falls towards the largest, nearest source of mass (the Earth), then I can't really argue that it must exist.
The thing about astrology is that it is not a science. If it were, then we could prove it empirically, or at least show some evidence to support it, but there is none.
Here's why I have a problem with it though. I had a couple of friends who visited a licensed astrologer. She told them that they shouldn't make any long term plans together as they were destined to split up. Guess what happened? A month later they split up.
I wasn't surprised at all, and you already know how I feel about astrology. It is possible that the astrologer sensed something about their situation during their visit (cold reading some body language that suggested tension between them). But I think it more likely that since they believed in astrology, then they took her warning to heart and actually made the prophesy come true. How can you have a happy relationship with someone if you truly believe that you are destined to split up?
I think people miss good opportunities every day because they are being warned to be "wary of false promises" on a particular day, or grabbing onto scams because their horoscope told them that "today an opportunity will come along that they must not pass up on". I would rather use the well thought out advice of those I trust as well as my own instincts, common sense, brains and gut feelings to make my choices than follow the random readings of an astrologer.
But, in the end, the only thing that really matters is that what you do is making you and those you come into contact with happy.
I am an empath and of course many wont believe that I can walk into a room and feel how others are feeling. But I know it as fact be cause I experience it. It’s important to realize that the subject, the ‘inner space,’ is worthy of great exploration.
Again, I agree with you here. I know what it is like to get a gut-level feeling about a person that you can't really explain logically. I used to dismiss such feelings, thinking that they were illogical and thus worthless. Now I have come to trust my instincts and gut feelings because they are almost never wrong. I believe that people send off extremely subtle, almost impossible to detect much less explain, signals about their underlying feelings, intentions, and natures. I also believe that most people possess the inherent ability to pick up on these subtle cues without even knowing how they are doing it. But life has taught us to second-guess our feelings, to always have a rational explanation for our behavior. Whenever I do this I always feel like I am being pulled in two directions. This is why I don't allow someone to try and convince me to do something I just don't feel right about anymore. I don't have to explain my feelings, and just because they don't make logical sense doesn't mean that they aren't "true" for me.
So, if making your life decisions based on astrology makes you happy and is "true" for you, then by all means pursue it.
(But it will always seem a bit silly to me.)
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Posted: 11/30/2007 5:00:49 AM |
All Im saying with reference to astrology is.. with so much unknown.. maybe just maybe science will also come up with the reasons why astrology in many cases can be so astoundingly accurate.
Science already did. It's the same reason they are more often inaccurate. | |
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Posted: 11/30/2007 3:19:05 PM |
Well, Akastar,
I had an ex do my whole chart and it was complete BS. Other than a few basic guesses (she already knew I was charming), she got just about everything wrong. I've seen many many wrong complete charts. I watched beyond reason as a kid and I remember the atrologer (and clairvoyant and graphologist), week after week, chart after chart, consitently more wrong that right. They are far more often wrong than right. But people tend to get biased by a few lucky things or the typical astrologer interaction where they tell you a few things and then follow up what you are agree with using obvious guesses that follow on that because the chart doesn't really set anything in stone. And really, the hard thing is to be able to do a chart, go into a room full of people, and pick out the person with the chart you did. Randi had astrologers do this dozens of times and they never got it right.
But really, Akastar... I'm wasting my fingers because a thousand failed chart readings in a row wouldn't convince you in a thousand years, would it? And who would decide failed? If you told me that my chart said I was to be a married young who picks young? Of course, if it was 27 you'd say you were right and I'd say you were wrong. Therefore, it's the nature of the art that no one can ever prove it right or wrong in a single incidence except by flipping the game. And that's been done and it doesn't work. In a room of 30 people the astrologer will get it right about 3 in 100 times. How about we try it now, I give you a birthdate, time, and place, of someone who watches this thread on POF and you see if you can report back enough information that they can see that it is them?
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Posted: 12/1/2007 3:33:26 AM | I dont really believe in this kind of bunkum to be honest
But a bit like my views on religion I wouldnt all out say it was total crap
So it has always been of a minor interest, so minor infact I've never read a thing about it lol
But I am very wary of librans after a thoroughly intense and then cringeworthy episode in my life even tho I have no idea whether a libran should or shouldnt be a compatible star sign | |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 4:51:42 AM | Actually I sorta liked her stuck up biatchiness lol
The things that did get on my tits tho I'd struggle to believe were "star sign" related to being honest, and are just as likely to be enviromental and a product of her past like her being toooootally open about anything UNTIL she has feelings and then closing up like a kipper and being more of a "typical" woman and resorting to the hinting nonsense, or the criticising something when other people do it that she did herself kind of hypocrisy/double standards stuff
The thing with this star sign stuff is it starts by saying "an XYZ will be this and this and this" which is a fair starting point, but then has cover stories for someone of that star sign then being the total and complete opposite of that and every variation in between multiplied by 12
I would accept that certain things such as the season, period of year and other planetary forces COULD influence a foetus in some ways as we are 90% or so water and we already know how much thats influenced by gravitational pulls even by quite distant celestial bodies
However, those forces wont be the same annually, the cycle of repetition spans thousands of years rather than 12 months and after infancy envirmental factors tend to have the biggest impact on someones development
The point I was making was simply that when I look at a profile or get to know someone and THEN notice or find out theyre a libran I do a miniscule cringe based purely on that and worsened the more similarities they have to that person even tho I dont even believe in this kinda thing lol, which I've always chuckled at rather than heeded
Heck, as I said I havent even bothered to look at what star signs are supposed to be compatible ones | |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 8:19:45 AM | But if it gives people hope, then carry on with astrology I say
Ah, the placebo effect argument... It has some merit, since it's typically double a good drug effect. On the other side there's the argument that it can also lead you places that are bad you wouldn't have gone before... as prior examples in the thread show. It opens you to allowing others to manipulate you... 5000 Raelians can't be wrong
In all, I'd say I've seen about 25 full charts. I believe one tallied better than half right. That's pretty terrible odds. But, if you let the astrologist have at them they somehow tend to get miraculously better because a chart really only lays a few things down for certain and the rest is open to interpretation... For example...
"I see by this star you have a strong association with children"
with a "yes" response followed by
"you are very patient"
with no explanation on the chart because they're obviously guided by the responses of the person they're talking to and if they had hit a dead end on the kids then the patient comment would have never come up. Readings tend to do better than a chart alone, which is why an astrologist typically wants to do the interpretation for you, but any half baked mentalist can pull the same trick.
I've done it myself numerous times by claiming to be a phrenologist. I've had people just amazed at my amazing ability to "read" them. And, I bet I'm just as accurate as any astrologer they come across. And lots of times I've been spectacularly wrong (I come to find out later) and the person just said I was right... LOL On a related note, my sister is very into graphology. I've done the same readings as her but making everything up because I really know nothing about it. People are about equally amazed at our graphologist skills. Imagine if I was Machiavellian about this? Lots of people are. Faith healer scandals and stories of psychics milking the gullible for all their savings abound. harmless? Of course every Christian who believes in faith healing, or "good" astrologer will say no one should do that, just like Akastar has. But by accepting something so open to manipulation as OK because it does good leaves the market wide open for con artists.
If you want a placebo effect people are probably better off believing in magnetic bracelets than any of that stuff. At least then the hope, or placebo effect, isn't really influenced by someone else. | |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 8:37:17 AM | dontmakecookies: Well, your first mistake was having your Ex do your chart. The planets, solar system, and moons have a very definite effect on everything on
Earth. I definitely believe in compatible signs and I know who I am not compatible with. Astrology is very complicated and deep. It involves many factors and association of planets at any given time. Everything that happens on this planet is a result of what is happening in the greater Universe with the sun, moon, planets, asteroids, etc. It is far too complicated to discuss in a POF forum. The daily horoscopes you read in the newspaper are crap and greatly generalize to everyone. | |
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