| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 11/1/2007 6:23:14 PM | Your guess would be wrong I don't smoke out of 5 kids only 1 smoke......So I guess your breathing problems is the reason you don't like your parents...I think I can forgive my parents for smoking after they worked so hard to raise 5 children!!! | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 11/2/2007 7:33:17 AM | Okay, now I've counted THREE profiles you (imatigerinu) are currently using ! !
Is there just too, too much of your character for just one ? Do you have mutliple personalities?
Why do you think you are above the rules, here? You not only have a double standard, your going for triple !
I'm not the only one here on POF, who believes when someone continually sets up new profiles for themselves....there's bats in the belfry, or you have something to hide, or are runnin' from somebody...are you also posing as a woman with another username?
Is this just a game to you? | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 11/2/2007 8:33:38 AM | Sunny TX,
I believe you have routed the doc out...
In Msg 247 he states
I reacted badly to your postings on page four...which is where I last saw you, and had it bookmarked
as page 4's posts date to 10/15/07, and imatigerinu reads as joining 10/20/07.
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 11/3/2007 1:08:50 PM | To our smoking texan....
LOL...nope silly. Plenty of fish has issues, and is very controlling...not at all as open as they try to say they are. Heaven forbid someone breaks their rules...all nicely etched in stone. That sort of idiocy is everywhere, and is why I left Yahoo personals. I chafe at such utter stupidity. Also...you cannot give the inevitable spammers, that most guys get hit with (porn pushers and call girls), too hard of a time, or they gang up and report you, and you are off...for good. For a supposedly open forum/meeting place...plenty of fish has as many rules as eBay...and is just as arbitrary when enforcing them too. Just like eBay...once the great and all powerful OZZ has spoken...you are through. I'd send you my M_ S____ url...but that is that got me the last time...you are not allowed. They limited my posting because of it. Why though...I do not understand at all. The profile on that site, is very detailed about me...the blogs very telling, and most of all...it is public anyway. Plenty of fish though, apparently cannot deal with you referencing it. Plenty of Fish is free...but it definitely has libertarian issues. FYI..I chat...and I post...but have never met anyone I ever chatted with on here.
OK...now you know...and what does that have to do with this post? You are very fond of introducing red herrings...taking personal attacks on people you disagree with...and using a technique called deflection...to get the spotlight off of you, if you are obviously losing ground. It has absolutely no real bearing, on the points made in this discussion. Then again...I am not your favorite...so undercutting me is a good thing???!!! If you cannot deal with my arguments...then undercut the person...or wrap yourself in the flag. Neither one serves to blunt the real effect of the logic...as it is applied.
Do you have anything else to chat about, that has no pertinence to this post...are we done now...or do you wish to change the entire post? | |
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Posted: 11/3/2007 1:41:16 PM | | OH YES...BY THE WAY...it most definitely is Dr. too...not Mister. I still fail to see why this has even the slightest bearing on this post however. I was forced by plenty of fish, to begin over again repeatedly...simply because "rules are rules" (sounds like the government). However...and that means what...with regards to my past postings? Oh...I get it...it means I am basically dishonest...right? Therefore my posts are all to be ignored too. Somehow the correlation there is weak at best, and is totally lost on me. The logic used is extremely suspect, and self serving. I do not go away that easily...especially over such entirely assinine things. These most definitely are libertarian issues, that plenty of fish has, issues that should be properly addressed. The fact is though, they do not care to even go there. I have tried. You cannot discuss things with petty despots. They allow no discussion. Like I said before..."Rules are Rules"! (sometimes I feel as though I am back in catholic grade school). I certainly do not need Plenty of fish to protect me...nor do I need them to run rough shod over me...as they have in the past. | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 11/3/2007 1:46:03 PM | whew ! glad you got all that out !
Feel better?
My, my, my you must be feel soooo mistreated.  Need a sugar t!t ?
I have never had a moments grief here on this site, the moderators and administrators are straight up. I believe most of the people here are fine with the rules the administrators put in place. But you can't seem to make it fit your purposes, because you're hassled by porn operators and prostitutes. Again...a big ole...boohoo for you.
But really, when someone must create more than ONE profile, I'm very suspicious of them. I think alot of people are. I've never had a reason nor cause to re-create myself. I don't have to. Isn't that a perfect aim of deflection? To re-create the scenario to fit yourself and distract from the real issue. Is that what you're saying?
Seems multiple profiles would resolve that pretty well.
Ya think?
So now you DON'T like rules...laws....?
Isn't that what this thread topic was about ? I thought you liked rules ? Laws are good, remember?
First you like government in our lives, making up rules we don't need....then you say you DON'T like it. As long as YOU like the laws, they're okay. But let any private entity like POF, make up rules you don't agree with. They're....oh what's that word you like to use so often...oh yes...."STUPID"
hmmmmmm. Yep, you've got the credibility thing in the bag, don't ya ! | |
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Posted: 11/3/2007 3:49:49 PM | So then..care to explain the security issues involved with giving someone a public url for another open to the public website?
I'll wait breathlessly to hear from you on this.
It is exactly the same as the smoking issue though isn't it. You know what I mean...protecting defenseless little kids from the ravages of second hand smoke by uncaring adults...and plenty of fish deciding it is way too dangerous for me to give anyone an openly public url. Oh yes...they are truly identical.
You are deflecting again...and that is not an acceptible debating technique. | |
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Posted: 11/3/2007 3:59:44 PM | By your train of thought, we should not prosecute child molesters and child pornographers either. It is an invasion by the government, into their rights...purely big brother!!! They are adults and citizens too, and therefore have a right to do as they please, unabated by any government regulations. To hell with the child's rights.
Do you understand now why deflection is not an acceptible form of argument? That is very twisted logic. Real protection is one thing...based on the facts...making rules for no logical reason other than personal perception...is quite another. Apples and oranges.... | |
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Posted: 11/3/2007 4:14:01 PM | No sir, rules are rules. Whether we like them or not. Not deflecting here. You are deflecting now....by saying I don't care about a child's rights. Accusing me of being okay with child molestation ~ where do you get off ? Who in the hell said that !!! You have NO RIGHT ! to insinuate I said anything of the kind....Where did THAT come from? I will not back down from a descent discussion, but you WILL NOT put words in my mouth, nor will I allow you to slander me.
You are not a reasonable person and you won't get away with it.
The reason for rules are not the basis of the argument here. It's intrusion into sensible people's lives. Government is running "rough shod" into people's lives and rather you choose to believe it or not, there will come a time when they get in your business and ruffle your feathers, just like POF did.
I've already stated my position on this law. I've already stated I am a curteous smoker, but no one including you...will ever convince me to quit smoking, till I am good and ready. That just eats ya'll up. Ya'll have a bone and you'll chew on it till all the flavor is gone.
But you won't see me here on a public forum, slandering people and calling them names, insulting their intelligence and generally just being rude. I don't have to.
Maybe there will be a law made some day, sayin' you can't be discourteous, because it's bad for society to have so much anger. Who knows? | |
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Posted: 11/3/2007 5:29:32 PM | OK...now I understand totally. The only rights to consider here, are your rights. I'm so sorry...but you know...I was trying to take a broader view. Now that I know this entire post was just about your rights...I'll bow out. I apologize profusely for even considering anyone else's rights here.
I was merely pointing out the error of the method you choose to use to argue. I repeat...it is absolutely not at all a valid way to debate any issue. Tippy toe around it...make light of it...but when you get right down to it...it is entirely an invalid technique...and you disliked it immensely, when I turned it around, and used the self same technique on you. I am not angry...just do not really understand why you persist in such obviously inappropriate debate techniques. It proves nothing, and just allows you to blow off some steam. It has no validity.
Somehow, I seriously doubt that there is another person on the planet, who does not realize by now how you feel about smoking. That however is also totally superfluous to the debate of the merits of the law we are discussing, and reiterating it profusely and often, does not constitute any form of profound discussion. It is not remotely pertinent to this post actually. It is information continually presented as profound, but that has been a given, since your first paragraphs.
By the way...I once had a friend, who always when caught in a crossfire he could not handle...used to say "Same to you fella" Then he would laugh uproriously, as though he had said something pertinent, that settled the point. I wonder...are you related? | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 11/3/2007 6:32:38 PM | | GaNurse1957...do not feel too badly about your parents. They were of an age group that was uninformed. Smokers these days cannot plead ignorance, as the smokers your parent's age could...no one knew. Some of the erroneous information published by the tobacco companies, told them it was good for health actually. My parents were both smokers, and I was subjected to hours of secondhand smoke for years as I was growing up. Eventually, smoking killed my mother, and the lesson was not lost. After her death, we lost every single smoker in the family...they all saw what had occurred and quit. You cannot really blame the older generation, for what they were not aware of. Already then, the tobacco companies knew though, and they purposely hid the information. That came out of a lot of investigative work, plus input from rebel members of the big tobacco owners families, and renegade company executives. Let's face it, they were caught red handed, and their supposed top secret information, has long been a matter of public record. During your parent's era...as with my parents...no one really knew. It therefore is not right to blame them for their errors in judgement. Their judgement was clouded by disinformation...and basically no information. No one can really accurately say that now though...unless they have their head in the sand, and simply choose not to see. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2007 1:10:32 PM | Who in the HELL said I feel bad about my parents????? I think you might have bigger problems then just smoking!! My parents were great how about yours?? This all started with people thinking that the gov. should take away the rights of people that smoke.........if we let them do that whats the next thing they will take??? Most places are smoke free now, so your choice is if you go to someones house and they smoke............its there house LEAVE!!!If your in someones car and they smoke, drive your own.........No one is making you smoke ,and wanting the gov. to take away peoples rights is very WRONG!!!<imsrc=http://www.plentyoffish.com/smiles/icon_200.gif border=0> | |
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Posted: 11/4/2007 3:58:36 PM | Good, I hate smokers. People should not be smoking in their cars, especially with young children inside. Actually if you smoke with the kid in there, more than likely that kid will get a tobacco addiction, or maybe an illness from secondhand smoke.
If they want to smoke, let them go smoke themselves to death slowly away from kids. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2007 4:25:09 PM |
Good, I hate smokers.
WOW.....that is an insane lot of hate crammed into one ignorant 21 y/o body. Do you realize how many people you have to hate worldwide to make that statement true. Hope you enjoy living that way, it would make me feel sick inside. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2007 4:51:20 PM | | Makes me feel pretty good. Nobody should have to put up with other peoples smoke. Good thing they banned smoking in public places and now in cars....nobody in their right mind wants to eat dinner and breathe in smoke and kids shouldn't have to put up with it in a car. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2007 5:32:29 PM | Goodness...you HATE smokers?
That's just so sad.
As for the doc, the only thing that would come of this argument would be for the forum to be deleted if we should continue this argument, besides it bores the beejeebees outta me.
You won't change me and I won't change you....I prefer to live my life as I see fit.
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Posted: 11/4/2007 5:35:22 PM |
Makes me feel pretty good. Nobody should have to put up with other peoples smoke. Good thing they banned smoking in public places and now in cars....nobody in their right mind wants to eat dinner and breathe in smoke and kids shouldn't have to put up with it in a car.
I am really glad hate makes you feel good. I suppose someone has to be just nasty. I am a smoker. I,too, am glad smoking is banned in public places. I will break my neck to keep my smoke from drifting to ANYONE (even someone like you) when I am smoking in my yard, even. I would certainly never smoke in my house, my car, or around my children. So, hate on. | |
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Posted: 11/4/2007 6:51:45 PM | Why....thank you. Good thing you aren't my neighbor and step outside for a smoke, a phone call would put a stop to that in no time!
Too bad that program Quitters Inc. from the movie Cat's Eye doesn't exist.
"Quitters Inc – An executive discovers Quitters Inc, a company that promises to cure his cigarette smoking with Mafia-styled tactics by watching his every move to make sure he doesn't smoke – and if he does his wife and daughter will be made to dance on an electric hotplate. " 
So family members won't have to hear anymore, "Oh I'll quit soon." or the famous, "I'm trying" and "It's hard." | |
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Posted: 11/4/2007 6:53:05 PM | Jollyman is "right on".
What's that old saying?
They took away the right to smoke, but I didn't smoke so that was alright with me.
They took away the right to say "under God" but I'm an atheist so that was alright with me.
They took away my right to drive without a safety belt, but I drive with my safety belt so it was alright with me.
They took away my right to ......
To all the self important, judgemental people here, you're day is coming.. .. most likely then it will too late.... but I'm just a "fear" monger... go back to sleep..sweet dreams...
Yes smokers shouldn't smoke with kids in the car.. however government has no business mandating this.. Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, John Adams are all rolling in their graves, shaking their heads muttering to themselves, "We did all this for their freedoms and they throw them away like this? What?"
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Posted: 11/4/2007 7:40:36 PM | Another law went into effect where I live, now it 's against the law to park your car with the window rolled down. I know it's not a smart thing to do. But it doesn't need to be A LAW ! ! ! !
Maybe the police departments need to issue more tickets, to raise more donut money, but while they're writing a ticket for this stupid law, a home is being broken into, a person is being assaulted. I just don't get it.
But convertibles with the roof off can set as long as they want, parked. It doesn't make sense ?
Another law about to hit the books is the "baggy britches" ordinance. I do agree it's repulsive to see these kids with their pants hangin' down, lookin' like jive penguins, I don't think there needs to be a LAW about it....just like smokin'....business owners should refuse to serve them....or have a baggy and nonbaggy section ! But don't waste legislature on it ! | |
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Posted: 11/5/2007 12:54:30 PM | | to the not so sweet fish who obviusly didn't read my whole post. first off the lungs r developed by 4 years old. every kid that i am around has parents that smoke. the kids themselves do not have a choice at home. there is more toxics is the air from the local chemical factories then from my smoke. i am responsible to a fault. my grandmother, who never smoked, died of lung cancer and i have many relatives that are doctors. there is a major difference between being exposed to second hand smoke and being enveloped in smoke a majority of ur time. it has nothing to do with being mire concerned with one childs health then another and u i would personally like to shoot for looking at me through such condemed jaded eyes. i fight with my sister chronically and finally got her to smoke outside due to her kids asthma. i took her kid away and actually left with him when he was a newborn due to her smoking around him. i moved him into my room at only 17 to wake up with him everynight so his lungs could be safe. ran an air purifier so the smoking from the house did not get near him. i smoked outside. never with him in the car. 17 two full time jobs he use to go to both with me. next time u think so,ethuing read the statustics b4 critizing. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2007 2:33:49 PM |
this like everything else has to be taken on a case by case decision. I smoke but not around small children in enclosed spaces. if i smoke in my car with a child they are over the age of 8, i have the sunroof cracked to draw up the smoke, and the kid has to be asthma/allergy free. Also i only smoke in the car if the ride is over an hour. with all the other toxins in the air, food, and toys a little second hand smoke from time to time isn't going to hurt anyone. they have proven a link between vaccinations and autism yet kids still get them. if we limited everything unhealthy from our society we would all be miserable. bottom line is the education wasn't there when most of us got addicted, almost everybody smoked when i was young, and it is up to us to do a better job then the generation before NOT be perfect.
THAT, weepingwillow, was the ENTIRE post of yours that I commented on. I do not need statistics, I do not need to read anything else, YOU specifically said you only smoke with children over the age of 8. Period. I will stand by my original comment. I do not see 8 as some magic age when they can start slowly dying of my second hand smoke and am not sure why you do. Jeezus, next time use spell check or something. This last post of yours was painful to read. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2007 5:27:22 AM | Too many strange statements on this post...too frustrating to deal with the knee deep BS too.
GAnurse1957...sorry I was attempting to aussage the concerns you expressed about your parents. You take my head off for being consoling?
Sunny Texas...sorry I ever had any contact with you...you have nothing at all significant to say...ever. That certainly never stopped you from saying it though...and very verbosely/frequently too...did it. I am quite certain that you will have another equally applicable (?) answer for me on this subject as well. The problem is...I will not see it...not anymore.
There sure are a lot of not very nice/strange people on here...and what passes for logic...what logic? The rules do not apply, and the boundaries are out...just a lot of spouting off...more letting off steam than anything. Opinions are all you ever see on this discussion (never actually a debate of any issues)
I'm gone.
Is it not like banging your head against the wall for pleasure...because it feels so good when you stop!
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 11/6/2007 8:11:37 AM | >>>GAnurse1957...sorry I was attempting to aussage the concerns you expressed about your parents. You take my head off for being consoling?
Maybe it's because a complete stranger was using her parents to push their agenda? Maybe she saw her you talking about her parents in such a manner as condescending? Maybe she wasn't looking for your pity or console? | |
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