| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 11/6/2007 8:42:02 AM | imatigerinu, you are a very weird little man......there's just something very suspicious about someone with multiple identities on POF or otherwise. I think you may not be a doctor but you play one on the internet.
Maybe a vet or a dentist, but I suppose you don't practice anywhere anymore.
Don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya !  | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 11/6/2007 1:19:06 PM | | read the statistics a child's lungs are developed by six. for those that refuse it is because no one else could ever be right. open ur fn eyes. for those that do not smoke in the car do u drive on the roads. the deisel fumes are more dangerous to childrens health then cigs. deisel fumes cause learning disorders. how close do u get to that bus in front of u? as far as my spelling goes most people with an iq as high as mine have trouble spelling. i was awarded a full schlorship to hopkins at 13 years old. the angrier i get the worse my spelling gets. i do not proofread cause all should speak from the heart. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2007 4:58:46 PM | Hey Sunny Texas,
Did you scare the Dr. off............. That might be a good thing, but watch out he may come back as a Lawyer this time!!!   | |
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Posted: 11/6/2007 7:12:18 PM | >>> i do not proofread cause all should speak from the heart.
But isn't that in defiance of your superior intellect? To willingly be wrong? And what does that mean for your opinion at whole if you're okay with being incorrect so long as you come from the heart? | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 11/6/2007 7:20:28 PM | | I see the tradition of attacking posters when you don't have an any chance of holding your own in an actual argument continues. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2007 8:18:06 PM | smoking in the car with minors is a crime against humanity. people who do this have to be braindead. people who do this deserve to be horsewhipped..... i'll volunteer to crack the whip too.....hahahahaha  | |
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Posted: 11/7/2007 7:15:52 AM |
read the statistics a child's lungs are developed by six. for those that refuse it is because no one else could ever be right. open ur fn eyes. for those that do not smoke in the car do u drive on the roads. the deisel fumes are more dangerous to childrens health then cigs. deisel fumes cause learning disorders. how close do u get to that bus in front of u? as far as my spelling goes most people with an iq as high as mine have trouble spelling. i was awarded a full schlorship to hopkins at 13 years old. the angrier i get the worse my spelling gets. i do not proofread cause all should speak from the heart.
And they didn't tell you when you were going to medical school at the age of 13, that as long as cells are growing they are more at risk from environmental toxins? Children's cells don't stop growing until way after they are six -- not even their lung tissue.
Now I don't know about you, but generally I don't spend 2 or more hours in back of a bus inhaling fumes, and unless you're on a particularly crowded highway, the chances that you'll be inhaling diesel or anything else for hours is pretty remote.
However, if you are in a car with even one smoker, the fumes are going to be up close and personal with you. Plus the car itself smells like a garbage can (well, except that garbage smells better).
Quite frankly, coming from a family where my mother, father and brother all had IQs above 170 (I'm the family idiot with an IQ of 130), I didn't notice any inability to spell -- so this must be some malady associated with your particular version of high IQ.
Personally, I like to speak from the brain -- it makes for better comprehension. 
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Posted: 11/7/2007 1:35:12 PM | i was awarded a full schlorship to hopkins at 13 years old. the angrier i get the worse my spelling gets. i do not proofread cause all should speak from the heart.
I can't believe someone would throw this spittle !
This person couldn't even spell scholarship !
Man...I gotta wear wading boots next time I come in here.
I'm a smoker, but we aren't ALL so brazen.
Tell me....why didn't you take the scholarship?
Oh and GaNurse.....wouldn't it be somethin' if the Dr. came back as....uh...well...NICE?
That would FOOL EVER'BODY ! | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 11/8/2007 3:41:07 AM | | I remember when I was a kid telling adults not to smoke in car because it bothered me and I was told to shut the F$8k up. Many things have changed in life but the classLESSness of smokers have not . It is so sad really. They cause fire hazards, they litter , they are lousy, unproductive workers that spend more time smoking than working and they run up health costs for everyone else, not to mention they are lousy dates as well because they have to go out every 10 minutes to have a cigarette. So pathetic really. | |
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Posted: 11/8/2007 12:57:32 PM | "lovableladywanted" In the firt place NO ONE would tell my child to shut the F**k up because if they did, smoking wouldn't be there only problem.....they would have to deal with me!I didn't raise my son to be around people that would talk like that to a child or anyone else!!
I do think you shouldn't smoke around children and almost all places now are smoke free, so there is a choice.....but I don't think the gov. should make a law about it, if you let them do that then whats next???   | |
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Posted: 11/17/2007 1:22:30 AM | In my opinion, when it comes to non-smokers, you should respect them. When you light up in front of them, you're disrespecting them.
Now when it comes to smoking in a car with minors, why the hell are you smoking in front or around your kids? Don't you love them enough to quit? If you're willing to put their health in danger for their future, then you don't love them as much as you love yourself, huh. It's only a proven fact that over time, smoking does kill you. Non-smokers are known to die of lung cancer...I see it at work, I work on a cancer unit so don't tell me different.
You could complain about the deisel from buses and whatnot, but that's something that you CAN'T control. You can control yourself and what you do in front of your children in a car. I don't smoke, and if I did I wouldn't smoke in front of my son. He means to much to me to make him sick just so I can give in to my addictions. | |
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Posted: 11/17/2007 10:52:04 AM | | Now they are talking of having a law agaisnt smoking in your apt or condo. These laws just take every ones rights away it should be left up to the owners what they want I or you should not be telling them how to run thier bussiness. | |
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Posted: 11/17/2007 11:55:15 AM | Well it's the property of the owner and if they rent, some tenants like me will just become law breakin' hoodlums ~ but they'll still rent to me because I'm neat, orderly and take excellent care of the property...and I pay my rent on time. I'm a good neighbor and good for their business. If I smoke, is the least of their concerns.
All of my neighbors smoke too, so I don't think anything is botherin' them. The landlords will have cigarette butt (not mine, though) issues if they make ya smoke outside. | |
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Posted: 11/17/2007 9:17:24 PM |
It's only a proven fact that over time, smoking does kill you. Non-smokers are known to die of lung cancer...I see it at work, I work on a cancer unit so don't tell me different.
You see "it" at work, but that is ALL you see....not the big picture.
Theres such a small difference in lung cancer statistics between smokers & non-smokers below age 40 that its not even graphed. Theres a nice layout graph on the National Cancer Institute site :
http://seer.cancer.gov/faststats/sites.php?site=Lung+and+Bronchus+Cancer&stat=Mortality
Whether smoker or non smoker, the graph maintains a statistical zero per 100,000 until it reaches the age 35-39 bracket. At that age its only a few per 100,000. It really starts to climb steadily at 60 and peaks at age 79.
All in all, lung cancer death rates are average about 500 per 100,000 AT AGE 79, SMOKER or NON-SMOKER. Doesnt matter.
Lung cancer is responsible for .5% of ALL deaths at age 79. What on earth are the other 99.5%, or 99,500 people dying from?? That would concern me more.
Hardly epidemic proportions that we are led to believe, considering average North American life expectency is 77.
As far as those measly 500 deaths per 100,000, smoking is responsible for for about half (250)of those deaths. But RADON comes in a close second at around 150 deaths of those 500 per 100,000. The other top 10 factors account for remaining 100 deaths of that 500 per 100,000 total.
When looked at it that way, why is there this hysteria over tobacco, whilst the dangers of RADON are virtually unknown to the general public?? I know the answer to that one.
Are anti-smoking crusaders ever concerned that they perhaps breathed RADON in their homes where their precious children live?? I dont think so. Little do they realise that they have breathed far more RADON than 2nd hand smoke in their lifetimes. | |
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Posted: 11/19/2007 12:03:38 AM | You see "it" at work, but that is ALL you see....not the big picture.
That's funny...after 14 years working on a cancer unit and dealing with cancer everyday, and knowing who has what and all...all this time and it's not the smoker that lives in the home that accidentally caused the non-smoker to have lung cancer but radon and a graph. Ok, I'll give you that. I'll pass that on to those who are dying of the effects of radon. Not being an a$$hole to you, friend, but I do see quite alot over 14 years. I'm not saying all non-smokers that have lung cancer are dying because of smoking, but there are quite a few. If you want to go by stats, go to any cancer unit and talk to those that have the cancer, not a website or books or papers, etc.
About the banning of smoking in homes and apartments, that's already started in many parts where I live in Winnipeg. The last apartment I lived in, if you're just moving in, you have to sign the lease that says you're a non-smoker. You smoke, you're in violation of your lease. If you smoked before, that's a different story, you're allowed to smoke but you can't smoke anywhere else BUT YOUR APARTMENT. Not in the hallways, front/side/back entrances, laundry room, etc.
I like the idea only because I'm a non-smoker, but I do agree that it shouldn't be a law to smoke in your own home when you want to. It's your right to smoke. If anything, it's the landlord/owner's decision to make their apartments/homes smoke free. | |
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Posted: 11/19/2007 9:47:35 AM | ...all this time and it's not the smoker that lives in the home that accidentally caused the non-smoker to have lung cancer but radon and a graph.
No not always, and thats the mindset that creates the hypocritical double standard which makes me furious...all these other causes go unanswered, unfunded, unresearched & unadvertised due to the monopoly of the anti-smoking crusade. Theres a whole generation of young adults & children growing up in the US & Canada feeding off this full scale campaign thinking smoking & 2nd hand smoke is THE cause of lung cancer. Period.
Ask anybody on the street to name the top 5 causes of lung cancer. I bet they will say only 1...& thats smoking...or....if they DONT SMOKE...they will say 2nd hand smoke. They know nothing else & think they are safe & sound since they dont smoke. They havent a clue that they may be developing lung cancer as we speak from these 100 or more other unreported causes.
I'm not saying all non-smokers that have lung cancer are dying because of smoking, but there are quite a few. If you want to go by stats, go to any cancer unit and talk to those that have the cancer, not a website or books or papers, etc.
But what are causing these cancers?? Is it 2nd hand smoke, for sure??
Perhaps this may shed some light on it:
I vaguely remember reading in the early 1980s that there was some small independent study that showed a correlation between a rise in lung cancer in women linked to long term exposure to aerosol hairspray.
Think about it: all those bubble-dos of the 50s, 60s, & 70s. Women would stand in front of the bathroom mirror & spray gobs of hairspray EVERY DAY on their hair...in that small enclosed bathroom, breathing the concentrated spray, inhaling tons of carcinogens & toxic particulates from that aerosol can. Easily 20, 30, 40 or more years of breathing hairspray over the course of their adult lives.
Of course, you will probably not find a statistical study showing the dangers of it. Who knows how many women died from that long term exposure??? It wasnt or isnt important because it is not tobacco-related.
BUT if any of those women smoked, or were exposed to 2nd hand smoke, they ARE a statistic....a SMOKING statistic. Their lung cancer was statistically linked to tobacco - NOT hairspray. Thats whats is wrong with all these smoking statistics...they are hijacked & used to further an agenda by twisting statistics...aka "scare statistics."
If one of these women were dying of cancer in your cancer ward, for sure you and her would view tobacco as the likely cause. See??
Next time, when in the cancer ward, delve into some of these patients' past histories, work environments, etc. You may be surprised to learn that tobacco is being used as a scapegoat to hide other probable causes.
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Posted: 11/19/2007 10:43:33 AM | I remember being told to "shut the f*ck up" when I objected to my parents smoking n the car or house. Hey...I was rasied the same as others my age. The parents were in control, NOT the kid.
Anyone who was that adament on their beliefs were quite able to remove themselves from the room. The car....a window rolled down a bit draws the smoke out, so, it works.
People who think smokers are a burden to health care costs need to look at a study that said smokers DIE long before the huge contributions they made towards healthcare costs are used up! Non-smoking lobbyists had to bury that study, but not before it was televised on the National News in Canada. LOL! Tell me again smokers don't pay their way....they pay theirs and yours too!
Nope...the non-smokers only get their "wins" right now cause of apathetic smokers. The politically correct attitudes. One day, a smoker is going to say "NO!" and actually stand up for their rights....meaning a nice warm place that has air cleaners in it so they can go out to a bar again, have a cog and a beer with their friends and not put up with the people who say "I have the right to clean air!" Great...go to your bar, I'll go to mine. Can't do that right now...but it will come soon! | |
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Posted: 11/20/2007 4:06:52 AM | | It's not going to happen, smoking is on the decline, and nobody should be forced to chose between "cancer or quitting their job" which is what smokers would like bouncers, waitresses, and bartenders to have to deal with. Want to smoke in a nice comfortable environment while you drink? Drink at home. | |
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Posted: 11/20/2007 6:32:07 AM | >>>nobody should be forced to chose between "cancer or quitting their job"
Doesn't that imply you, not your employer, owns your job, and you have a right to it?
Isn't that Communism?
>>>which is what smokers would like bouncers, waitresses, and bartenders to have to deal with.
Grown adults have the ability to decide things for themselves, and don't need to be protected from the consquences of their choices.
>>>Want to smoke in a nice comfortable environment while you drink? Drink at home.
But....didn't you support in another topic about banning smoking at your home? | |
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Posted: 11/21/2007 1:48:11 AM | Next time, when in the cancer ward, delve into some of these patients' past histories, work environments, etc. You may be surprised to learn that tobacco is being used as a scapegoat to hide other probable causes
Who says I never chat with the patients? I do all the time, that's why I don't buy what I see as BS. There are non-smokers that are both men and women. So I could rule out quite a bit that you mentioned in your post. If you read what I said, I don't believe everyone that is dying of lung cancer that I've met is dying because of 2nd hand smoke, but at the same time, I'm not saying that it doesn't happen. You're right...for some its the profession that they had before becoming a patient of mine. Some of them have worked in diners and bars that had smokers. Coincidence? I don't know, but I do have my reasons why I think that way.
Want to hear something funny? My mom was a smoker (about 2 or so every evening). We had a cat that we could hear breathing hard all the time. Never thought of the reason since she was getting old. She bought a new house and we moved in. She decided to quit smoking and the house will be a new start. Guess what...the cat stopped breathing hard. We didn't know where she was half the time. Coincidence? Now I'm not saying this is the case for everybody, but it was for a 10 year old cat. Maybe it was because of the cat's past? Sorry, had to be an a$$hole here...lol. | |
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Posted: 11/25/2007 3:35:43 PM | | Smoking should be outlawed in cars with even non smoking adults aboard. It shouldn't be just kinds. | |
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Posted: 11/25/2007 3:43:24 PM |
>>>nobody should be forced to chose between "cancer or quitting their job"
Doesn't that imply you, not your employer, owns your job, and you have a right to it?
No actually it implies that minimum health standards must be met in work environments.
Isn't that Communism?
No, it's late 20th century capitalism.
Grown adults have the ability to decide things for themselves, and don't need to be protected from the consquences of their choices.
Second hand smoke is about protecting you from the concequences of other peoples choices.
But....didn't you support in another topic about banning smoking at your home?
Nope. | |
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Posted: 12/10/2007 11:12:24 AM | After reading this thread...
and being a non-smoker all my life...
I need a smoke to clam my nerves.
I like and being straight to the point:
# 15: I would say ban the cigarettes all together
yup that would do it.
I lived with a smoker for 20 years and he respected his children's health and smoked outside. I appreciated that.
I worked 15 years in the bar, I suffer with Asthma now due to second-hand smoke...I appreciate the smoke rooms.
I also understand what some say, what's next?
But I guess we live in a world of rules!
Bottom line...
Kids should never be exposed to anything that could harm them.
Outta respect, not just the law...JMO | |
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Posted: 12/30/2007 8:04:42 PM |
Stick to the topic please - it's in POST #1
NO CHANGING subject headers !
no soap boxing
no ad nauseum statistics
no addressing of each other or ANY comments towards each other's characters.
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 1/22/2008 9:22:04 AM | | ...and you Sunny Texas are a mean spirited...ill tempered...ill informed...self serving...and nasty person. You do not debate the issues, you express your opinions, and take personal shots at other posters...not nice at all. If you really want to get into it, You have never had much to say of any importance whatsoever...but it certainly never stops you from saying it...does it. You express you opinion, and we all know what that is worth. Smoking has also made you look older than your years. I'll see you in ten...even more miserable...with your little tank of oxygen.... | |
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