| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 1:18:35 PM | | New York has had that (No smoking in your own car w/kids aboard) law on the books for close to 20 years now, why is it that Cali is JUST NOW gettin with the times?? | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 1:20:24 PM |
I see so many of the anti smokers who are feeding themselves and there kids crap that is probable even worse than being around smoke
And smokers eat so much better? Nice strawman.
Or is it not a factor, and if not, why the hell not?
It's not a factor. Smokers drive the same kind of cars as non-smokers. The live in the same kinds of houses, work the same kinds of jobs, eat the same foods. What do they do which is on average different from non-smokers? Smoke. Duh.
Remember, don't let your kids wear seatbelts, use car seats or wear bicycle or motorcycly helmets either. After all, those are just more big business-government conspiracies to take away your liberties. We should all be free to inflict harm as we see fit, especially on our own children damnit! The great American theology: the right of my fist to over-rule the right of your nose. | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 1:34:19 PM | | I totally agree with you. If someone wants to kill themselves by smoking that is their choice, but a captive child in the car has no choice, and is so not fair for them to be subjected to that at all. This is only one of many steps to protect the rest of us that don't want to die from someone else that has no regard for their own health. THANK YOU. | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 1:40:00 PM | You go Hoop!
I think it's air ~ stuffs just bad for you.
My Dad was a "Luck Strike" man ~ as was Clark Gable
he'd fire on up in the car on a cold 19 degree Febuary morning
and carry us boys to school ~ We got out of the car and walk around in circles
for a few minutes ~ eyes all red and glassed over.
Dad still with us, he's 83 ~ now he just dips ~ and ofcoarse me and all my brother's are still here. ~ My youngest brother 14 years a junior, never took that morning ride to school, ~ developed a lung condition ~ ended up to be tiny worms from tainted meat from the school cafeteria.
They ate tiny holes in him lungs ~ he constantly is clearing his throat.
Ofcoase you'll never hear about those tiny worms that damaged my baby brother forever. They were school district worms ~ special meat blend.
I think people are always looking for something besides theirselfs to blame for everything that happen to them.
I do wish Dad hadn't smoke with the windows up in the car ~ Think I might just go over
and tell him how much he owes me for bring me into this nasty stinking world and subjecting me to all his abuse, ~~ just put it in the will. ~dar | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 1:43:11 PM | Shame on you or anyone else who promotes such laws. Shame on anyone like that who calls themself a liberal. Read a history book sometime. Hurrah for those of us who have contempt for them. Hurrah for liberty! Hurrah for live and let live!
How about this? This is America right? How about you can live your own life in freedom, and the goverment stays the heck out of your car, your house, your family's lives, your gun cabinet, your bed, or for that matter places where you're paying money to be.
Or is that asking too much?
Apparently it is.
Oh, those "do-gooders" on a mission.
There is nothing they won't micro-manage and "put right."
I wonder what the system will put them up to next?
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 1:59:02 PM | if i want to walk around the house naked all the time its my house and not you or any one has any right to say anything about it corase the draps are drawn.
When you are running around naked you are not killing one else, especially someone that has no say so, such as a child.. Sure go ahead kill yourself, but why take your kids with you? | |
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clay71
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Joined: 7/11/2007
Msg: 32 | |
| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 2:04:07 PM | I quit smoking about 10 years ago,that was my choice.I don't expect anyone to follow me.I smoked for 15 years and I used to just step outside for nonsmokers at the house.I was also married at the time ,to a smoker who smoked where ever and when ever. But when it came to the car ot taking a trip,I made a universal rule that if you' going to smoke crack the winow an inch or so. If it's nice(we lived in Seattle)open it all the way.By doing this the smoke was pulled out of the car and kept clear for our daughter.
Even though I don't smoke now,somebody has got to put a stop on all the anti smoking rules.When I go to a bar to shoot pull or just hang out,I expect to smell smoke.The smokeless restaurants I'll be honest are smoke free mostly,and I'm glad.But no smoking in your car,that's just re go*ammnediculous.Every time one of these little bills gets passed,I feel like our rights are being slowlytugged from our hands.What's next? no smoking after sex?no smoking in your house or yard?no smoking while your walking down the road?The big tobacco co. are so busy keeping pot illegal,these rights are going to put them out of business. | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 2:33:38 PM | That's just sad....really sad. Maybe you shouldn't be around kids, with that kind of attitude. What if one of 'em...well....tooted !
Would ya shoot 'em ?
LMAO! No - I'd just laugh and spray a little Lysol. It's not as sad as knowing they are constantly inhaling second-hand smoke from their selfish lazy mother. Their father (my brother) quit smoking when they were pregnant with their first child. | |
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Hoop
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Joined: 5/1/2006
Msg: 35 | |
| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 3:55:38 PM | the right of my fist to over-rule the right of your nose.
You wouldn't make it within swinging distance.
To the post below:
Some of us smokers know a little (one of the best kept) secret you and the rest of the nazis don't. | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 3:55:59 PM |
[/Something I've noticed about smokers which I haven't with other addicts is the zeal with which they defend and justify their addiction related behavior. It appears that literally NOTHING is more sacred to them than getting that cig (not their families, their health, their appearance, the list goes on and on).
Hoops desperate posts are a prime example. | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 4:07:03 PM | I can't believe people (especially parents) can be so stupid that we need to have a law like this. "There oughta be a law" was probably first coined by a lawyer (Imagine, lawyer and coin in the same sentance). It should be: "There needn't be a law". Kill all the lawyers! We only need one common sense law: If what you did, someone with "common sense" wouldn't do, then you make retribution. We need something more like Hamurabi's Code, "an eye for an eye"
PS I've dealt with four lawyers in my lifetime, three were amongst the finest people I have ever known and one was a weasel. Still fun to pick on them though. | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 4:15:02 PM | You get em Hoop! You're pseudo threatening arguments will easily counter the entire medical community and all scientific evidence...
aaaaaand let me guess. Smokes with her kid in the car. | |
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Hoop
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Joined: 5/1/2006
Msg: 39 | |
| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 4:27:42 PM | Not just my 5 Chuck, but all the neighbors kids too.
I holler "SMOKE-RIDE!" and they all come running, pile into the griswald-mobile (fighting over who get's shot-gun)  and off we go for a little cruise.
When they stop begging me to light another one up.. usually after sucking up the second hand smoke from 4-5 will do the trick.. then it's back to the neighborhood.
To Chuck below:
You ain't got any yet, do you? When you get some, let me know and I'll give you some excellent tips on how to abuse them.. I have a whole recipe book full.
"the entire medical community"
You can have them. I prefer to remember what has been forgotten. | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 4:32:29 PM | There are people on this thread who seem to think non-smokers are trying to take away the rights of smokers. This is incorrect. It is quite the opposite actually. Everytime you light up around non-smokers, you are taking away our rights to not breath your smoke.
We are not trying to take your right to smoke away. We are just trying to keep you from violating your children's rights. | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 4:33:06 PM |
Not just my 5 Chuck, but all the neighbors kids too.
I holler "SMOKE-RIDE!" and they all come running, pile into the griswald-mobile (fighting over who get's shot-gun) and off we go for a little cruise.
When they stop begging me to light another one up.. usually after sucking up the second hand smoke from 4-5 will do the trick.. then it's back to the neighborhood.
Well that explains your extremely well reasoned reaction. I wouldn't want to have to admit I was abusing my children either. | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 5:39:23 PM | Sometimes I'm just amazed at the level of foolishness of people with an agenda.
In the first place, kids have no rights that their parents don't give them. That have no say and no rights, because they don't know anything and they're dependents living under someone else's roof. However, adults do. Futhermore, no one has any "right" to not actually smell someone's whiff of smoke. Which is what were taking about here. Whiffs, puffs, whatever. See that's what normal people said about it before the left-wing crusaders came up with newspeak like "Second Hand Smoke" or "Smoke-Free". Just like there's no "right" to not have to smell bad B.O., notice overperfuming, smell bad breath, hear bad language, or have to look at really freaky looking people. What you have a right to is to not sit there in front of someone who is smoking, or not drive with someone who is smoking, or not have a match for someone who needs one. Who ever said you have the "right" to not have anyone smoke in the whole dammed room? Just because someone has no social tolerance for little things they don't care for, or because they're just bigots or whatever, doesn't mean they have a "right" to have it just their way, unless their in their own home.
Where did anyone ever get this idea of fantasy rights? I'd much rather deal with a little bit of cigarette smoke and the average decent people who like them, than all the little fascists out there who like to pervert our fair and free society.
It's simply prohibition. It's unAmerican at it's core. Good Americans are against such things.
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 7:08:18 PM |
In the first place, kids have no rights that their parents don't give them. That have no say and no rights, because they don't know anything and they're dependents living under someone else's roof. However, adults do. Futhermore, no one has any "right" to not actually smell someone's whiff of smoke.
If that isn't a right, then smoking isn't a right either. So, which way do you want it?
Just like there's no "right" to not have to smell bad B.O., notice overperfuming, smell bad breath, hear bad language, or have to look at really freaky looking people.
Do any of these things increase your odds of getting cancer? | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 7:31:45 PM | imalitltpot on 10/12/2007 4 38 Pimalitltpot on 10/12/2007 438 PMM
That's just sad....really sad. Maybe you shouldn't be around kids, with that kind of attitude. What if one of 'em...well....tooted !
Would ya shoot 'em ?
LMAO! No - I'd just laugh and spray a little Lysol. It's not as sad as knowing they are constantly inhaling second-hand smoke from their selfish lazy mother. Their father (my brother) quit smoking when they were pregnant with their first child.
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~So it's smoke bad ~ and Lysol and hydocarbon perpellant good??
Thank for clearing up that consern of mine ~ Hmm! ~dar | |
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Hoop
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Joined: 5/1/2006
Msg: 45 | |
| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 7:37:55 PM |
Do any of these things increase your odds of getting cancer?
Nope, and neither do cigarettes.
I don't give a shit what your corrupt clubs tell you.
In every cancer case, there are a multitude of things/exposures/ factors that are not considered.
You got leash laws on dogs.. look at those poor sonsa****es.
Can you say puppy prozac?
You have people running along like ass-wipes picking op their shit for chissake.
I hear tell you nazis are trying to get the leash law enacted on cats too.
They ought to have nazi prozac.. better yet, a nazi muzzle law.
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 7:49:09 PM | You wouldn't make it within swinging distance.
I'm not American. I'm not actually interested in trampling others with my blinkered view of the universe.
Some of us smokers know a little (one of the best kept) secret you and the rest of the nazis don't
Riiiight...just like that amazing insight into the effects of central heating and vehicle air systems on non-smokers. As more than one person has already said, this isn't about preventing anyone from smoking. It's about preventing smokers from forcing others to smoke with them.
It's ironic that so often the ones who cry about their "rights" being trampled, are not only already infringing on others, but are the first to trample the rights of those who affect no-one [a general trend, I'm not specifying any one person...yet].
Nope, and neither do cigarettes.
I don't give a shit what your corrupt clubs tell you.
And of course, this is backed up by the following well-evaluated data-set:
In every cancer case, there are a multitude of things/exposures/ factors that are not considered.
Actually, normally, a great many factors ARE considered. They are eliminated from further consideration for a variety of reasons. The number one reason? The factor affects all study groups equally. If it affects all equally, it is not logical to conclude it to be a cause when different results are seen. What this line shows is that you actually haven't read any relevant scientific studies. Any such study spells out the control conditions, and if there are flaws, these are pointed out by other writers in the same journal within 2-3 issues of publication [often the same issue]. The conclusions drawn above are typical of those which are drawn in absence of evidence, and soon followed by forcing any available information to fit the point of view.
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 8:04:54 PM |
Nope, and neither do cigarettes.
I don't give a shit what your corrupt clubs tell you.
In every cancer case, there are a multitude of things/exposures/ factors that are not considered.
Please explain why smokers and people who live with them have much higher rates of cancer. | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/12/2007 10:09:54 PM | | I am gald my childeren are grown and gone they know i smoke have for 45 years and i sure as hell am not stoping for any one but my self and i dont see that happening in the near fucture. Where in the world does every ***hole think they have a right to dicate to other how to live hell alot cant even take care of them selves they deppend on the the stat or goverment to aid them or thier live on the streets. | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/13/2007 1:27:13 AM | Well, hmmmm. That's a tough act to follow, but I'll try.
#1- I smoke, have since before my boy was born.
#2- I have never smoked in a vehicle while he, or any other non-smokers were in it.
#3- I also never smoked inside my house, froze my ass off outside to have one.
My point is, we all know it's a nasty habit and a threat to people in our vicinity.
Why would anyone complain about what should be just common sense and a regard
for the rights of others? | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/13/2007 5:06:40 AM | Posted By: msquared on 10/12/2007 10:04:54 PM
Subject: No smoking in car with minors
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Nope, and neither do cigarettes.
I don't give a shit what your corrupt clubs tell you.
In every cancer case, there are a multitude of things/exposures/ factors that are not considered.
Please explain why smokers and people who live with them have much higher rates of cancer.
~~~~ Reply; I can't nor am I sure they do ~ Nor can I explain why people that don't smoke die of cancer as early as 40!
~~~~ But can you?? ~ with certainty ~ I not trying to make a point ~ only that you havn't made one. ~ Dar | |
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