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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/13/2007 5:11:21 AM |
[/It's ironic that so often the ones who cry about their "rights" being trampled, are not only already infringing on others, but are the first to trample the rights of those who affect no-one]
FrogO Oeyes:
You hit the nail on the head!
I used to try to explain that to my mother (who along, with my father helped to wreck my respiratory health with their smoking) when she had the audacity to light up around my baby. She never got it. | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/13/2007 5:47:18 AM | You don't have any more the right to tell everyone to stop smoking when you enter the room than I have a right to tell everyone in town to stop using cars.
After all- if clean air is a right, what right do you have polluting my air with your car exhaust fumes?
As for the OP....I gotta admit, I'm conflicted.....I support this law in the sense that children do not have the right to choose, and should be protected.....but on the otherhand, other than random stops, how can the police really enforce a law like that? | |
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Posted: 10/13/2007 6:02:19 AM | I agree heartily with this, OP. I'm a smoker, and find it hard to go a day w/out a few smokes. I also am quite angry about the way that anti-smoking laws are enforced on smokerss when it doesn't need to be.
But this is one case where I totally agree. A car with the windows closed, is a completely sealed, very small, enclosed space. If there is anywhere that passive smoking would be a danger, it is there.
However, I would suggest that if you or any other non-smoker intends on making a long journey with a smoker, that you have regular rest stops, both to stretch your legs and prevent thrombosis, and to give the smokers a chance to exercise their right to smoke in an environment that does not force you to breath in their smoke. It is a smoker's right to poison themselves, just like it is your right to drink alcohol, a known poison. But us smokers want to respect your needs, and not force your lungs to inhale our poisons either.
A very fine law. One that I would be happy to uphold. | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/13/2007 6:51:37 AM | I smoked for 40+ years, was I selfish? hell yes. Did I quit? HELL yes. You would too if you had ended up in the ER with tubes running every where, heart monitor, IV's, breathing tx's, B/P running 190/110 and a pulse of 140, but a O2 SAT of 84%. I almost died. I thought I was dying. I prayed that if He let me through this one, I would never smoke again. I went for 3 years never even wanting another smoke. Couldn't stand the smell of them. In fact if I went into a bar or any where there were smokers, I would start coughing and end up spitting blood. Then last year one of my son's was killed in a car accident. I smoked a cigarette that morning and was off and running just like I had never quit. Coughing my head off. Spitting up blood. After a few weeks, I thought to myself, What the hell are you doing to yourself???? Quit that day and haven't wanted one since. They actually make me sick to my stomach to just smell them. Nothing makes me any angrier than to want to go in a store and have to go through the crowd of smokers to get to the doorway. We have the right NOT to smell your stench. If you would ever do without them for a few days and then have to smell someone's stink, you would know what we mean. No, we don't have the right to ask you to quit, just to not smoke around us. You want to kill yourself, that is your right. It's not your right to subject us to your stink. I have apologised to all my children and grandchildren for subjecting them to it all those years.  | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/13/2007 6:55:21 AM | I'm a smoker... I don't have children, but I do agree with such laws... it's just laws that force people to behave with what is in the end, common sense.
As for banning smoking in public places, fine by me... I don't have to go to bars to drink... and the money I and my smoking friends save goes toward that next pack of cigs.  | |
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Posted: 10/13/2007 8:15:35 AM | | The problem with thes typs of laws they dont stop just thier next they will pass a law you cant smoke with in 100 feet of any building that inculeds your home than they will pass a law you cant smoke in your house. i would be all for no smoking in cars with childeren but it wont stop thier. they are down on smokers yet since 2000 they have rased cig. tax 71 times and they are tlaking of rasing it again 6.00 a carton. the dam gov would go broke if every smoker stoped smoking oh just think how much more your taxs will go up if that happens they have to get from someone. | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/13/2007 9:26:04 AM |
The problem with thes typs of laws they dont stop just thier next they will pass a law you cant smoke with in 100 feet of any building that inculeds your home than they will pass a law you cant smoke in your house. i would be all for no smoking in cars with childeren but it wont stop thier. they are down on smokers yet since 2000 they have rased cig. tax 71 times and they are tlaking of rasing it again 6.00 a carton. the dam gov would go broke if every smoker stoped smoking oh just think how much more your taxs will go up if that happens they have to get from someone.
Slippery slope arguments. Do you have an issue with not smoking in cars, or do you have an issue with not smoking within a 100 feet?
Because one doesn't immediately jump to the other. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2007 12:25:57 PM | jojo1947:
I am so sorry for your loss, and may god bless you and your family. I truly admire your strength of character, and may you stay strong. Wish my mom (now gone) had your strength and wisdom.
May peace be with you. | |
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Posted: 10/13/2007 2:09:57 PM | | The laws dont stop with just one you got tom wants to add than harry wants his 2 cents worth, look at the illegal imagration bill how garbage has been added to it it still is no good they are still coming in faster than they boot them out. so its not just one they keep adding one way or the other. | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/13/2007 7:01:01 PM | Both of my parents smoked until my sister and I were about 7 or 8 years old. I remember when the car was so saturated with smoke that we could hardly breathe.
My only point is that this is a new law, and new laws are almost always challenged as to their constitutionality. I believe that once the smokers start being fined for violating this statute, someone will appeal a conviction arguing that the law is unconstitutional, is vague, is overly broad, etc. Then the California Court of Appeals and/or the California Supreme Court will have an opportunity to make a decision on the constituionality of this statute.
If there are any federal issues involved--like a motorist was stopped while driving on a highway that was built with federal tax dollars--the appeal may end up in the U. S. Circuit Court of Appeals and eventually the Supreme Court.  Of course, this being California, it will go to the Ninth Circuit (Circus) Court of Appeals. That is the MOST overturned Circuit in the nation. | |
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Rhett1
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/14/2007 8:17:13 AM | My mother was a two-pack-a-day smoker. She quit 5 years ago.
Now, growing up, whenever we went anywhere my mother would be puffing away in the car. My dad, my two sisters and I could not say anything about the smoke or my mother would go into a huge tirade.
I remember sitting in the back seat, eyes watering and gasping for breath, literally, but if I made any comment about opening the window or if I coughed, my mother would flip out. I HATED her for this. I hated that our health was less important to her than her need for a cigarette.
Anyone who thinks that it's the "right" of the smoker can take a long hard suck on...*ahem*, anyway...
I have a lot of throat problems and have for years...partly due to the cigarette smoke. I don't mind of someone smokes and they are considerate about it...for example, they smoke outside, they don't smoke in vehicles that others are riding in...but it's the selfish smokers who need a smack in the head.
I'm not going to sit here and say that I'm the epitome of a healthy lifestyle, but kids deserve to be able to travel without being forced to breathe in disgusting smoke.
Friends of mine were both smokers (5 packs per day between the two of them). She was a stay-at-home mom, so the two packs she smoked were all smoked in the house or the car. He smoked 3 per day, so about 1 1/2 of his were smoked in the house or the car. Their daughter was the result of years of trying to have a baby. After 12 miscarriages, they finally had their daughter. She, at the age of two was diagnosed with asthma. The doctor told them flat out "It's your fault, because of all the smoke she's forced to be around". They started smoking outside...that lasted for about one month. It was too much of a "pain", so they decided that their daughter could just put up with it. Her asthma got worse and one day I heard her mother yell at her "This medication is too damn expensive, if you didn't have asthma, we wouldn't have to buy this stuff!" I piped up and said "Yeah, just imagine, you could buy more cigarettes..." I don't know WHY she got mad.... | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/14/2007 9:41:10 AM | I am so sorry to hear of your loss, jojo.
Having lost my youngest son 13 years ago this coming Feb. ,
it's a loss that time does not heal but enabled me to live within the
same space as the loss.
The gaping wound will heal over and as life goes on, sometimes not
knowing the reason why, that scab gets ripped off all the way to the bone.
If ever you need someone to talk too just holler at me.
Now with this "at a boy" on yet another law to enforce.........just how many more smoking police will be hired...at the already over taxed left coast state of Cal.,who will pay for those guys?
The tax payers, of course, and some will buy into it for the simple reason ........it's for the children.
We must pay to protect the children.
Then chatting continues, while generously opening up your pockets, letting them dive-in and help themselves. After all it to "protect" the children.
Since some of you all immediately raise up, start berating people with different views, this is my opinion!
The government was never intended to be our parents.
We, the people.............remember?
Personal choices? Remember those?
Again my opinion,
the moment we give in to the whims, or the sock-puppets (bought by big money) that were given the power to grab up a personal preference or life style, and mold it into another law........there goes our liberties and freedom.
There's a million smokers, according to the state of Tennessee.
The leaders started figuring how much money they could make off the citizen's habits..cigarettes. And came up with all the extra money they could rake in to "aid in educating the children".
As they did the lottery.
Want to pass a law, simply put the words help and children, into the wording and emphazise that over and over.
Ta dada, a law.
The goal is as the new motto states..........Make Tennessee smoke free.
After doing the math and coming over 10 million short of what they expected and more than likely already spent.
Might I point out that if I spent before earning, I'd probably be under the jail.
Oh my, lacking over 10 million. What to do.
Bring in the tax nazi's and watch the border and count the number of cartons folks are bringing back from Kentucky.
More than 2 per day per person in vehicle........confiscate not only the ciggies, get the vehicle too. It's such a heinous crime.
Yet they whine when it's mentioned that illegals are breaking our backs.......we don't have the money nor man power to police up the ones who are sucking much needed money that should go to help not only the children, the elderly and dis-placed citizens.
But there's money for policing up those person's purchasing cigrettes.
Priorities are all screwed up here.
We had smoking and non-smoking sections until the 1st of Oct.
Now there's whining from smokers and restaurant owners.
Less money made. Der.
Exceptions are: over 21 and no children allowed and places with patios.
And our vehicles and our houses.
That law will not be tolerated here.........
Heck, they can't even enforce the seat belt, child seat, and booster seat for children.
And the people will not go along with it.
Just as when it's suggested we have a county wheel tax and state income tax.
Check out Phil Valentine. 
We rise up real fast.
Liberal.........
yikes, I try never to do anything liberally.
Even when the recipe calls for it.
I do my own thinking.
And police myself.
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/14/2007 10:26:01 AM | | I think its good they passed this law hopefully it will here in Michigan soon.I smoke outside... would feel guilty subjecting my grandkids or anyone for that matter to second hand smoke,also dont want my place yellowed and smelling like cigarette smoke. | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/14/2007 10:43:15 AM | I never let any of my friends who smoke, smoke in my vehicle when there are children in it. Even if the kids are theirs.
MY VEHICLE MY RULES!
I remember my dad smoking in the car when we were kids.
Even though the window was open the smoke would get to the back seat, and it would just kill every breath I took.
I always remembered that growing up and even now as an adult.
Smoking around kids and forcing them to breathe your intoxicated poison filled cigarette smoke is a form of abuse in my eyes.
If one wants to fill their lungs and blood with poison.......
Hey go for it! Don't force it on other little people that can't speak or defend themselves. | |
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Posted: 10/14/2007 10:54:51 AM | | Ya know dancecard my Dad smoked Lucky Strikes to. Back when I was in school most of the kids parents smoked and everyone smelled of smoke I didnt know any better. My Dad is 71 and he doesnt smoke anymore he had to quit because he is in a nursing home. He says he could still smoke one 10 foot long. I started smoking at 15 and quit right before I got pregant with my daughter, and have not smoked since. My daughter has friends in school who have parents that smoke, and she says the other kids make fun of them.................... | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/14/2007 10:55:02 AM |
What people do in thier car or home is thier bussiness and no one has a right to tell them what they can or cant do. when you have people telling people what they can or cant do it turns into a dicatorship and i for one am getting dam tired of people telling me what i can and cant do. if i want to walk around the house naked all the time its my house and not you or any one has any right to say anything about it corase the draps are drawn. if i want to smoke it my house when you a==holes start making the payment than you might have a say so.
You are so naive sir.
Unless you live in a cave in the woods, there are all kinds of laws that tells you what you cannot and can do in your car and your home. That is the way it was before you even existed.
If your yard looks like something out of Sandford and Son or if you play your stereo too loud or if you have a hydroponic grow op in your house or if you drive impaired, try to use that defense.
Nobody has a right to abuse children, even their own in their own homes that they make payments on. | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/14/2007 11:07:37 AM | Oh my goodness, don't allow your children to be around smoke, by all means feed 'em all the big macs, french fries and get a TOY TOO ! They don't have a choice what they're fed either....junk food, fatty foods, sugary stuff.....sodas and candy, fried snacks...it's so healthy ! Kill 'em from the inside out ! instead of from ~the ~outside in.
Such hypocrites.
They shouldn't allow McDonalds french fries inside a car with minors, EITHER ! | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/14/2007 11:24:49 AM | SunnyTexas: How is it being an hypocrite??
I highly doubt that most children are fed Mc Crap food everyday compared to parents who smoke everyday?? | |
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Rhett1
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Joined: 10/16/2005
Msg: 69 | |
| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/14/2007 11:49:22 AM | When was the last time someone got cancer from someone else eating french fries?
Give your head a shake...try "hotboxing" it in a car, as a child, with child lungs and having ABSOLUTELY NO SAY in the fact that someone else is smoking and you can't breathe.
You can be offended all you want and bring up the issue of junk food, but you know damn well it isn't even close to the same thing. | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/14/2007 1:04:09 PM | @Sunny -- People shouldn't be feeding their kids a steady diet of McDonald's either. Once in a while is OK.
Children shouldn't be in cars where people smoke AT ALL. It's bad enough for adults to be in a car with smokers. Children's cells are growing, and their risk of developing respiratory or heart diseases and/or cancer are much greater from the exposure.
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/14/2007 1:45:27 PM | Careful what you wish for...
..Consider this, IF tobacco were actually to be legally classified as an illegal substance and the States could no longer collect the tobacco tax revenues and Tobacco Settlement funds who will pick up the tab for those missing millions or billions of lost tax revenue? You got it, the NON smokers. Wonder when they will figure this out. .
The FDA (another scary profiting GOD group) they and the rest of the listed clubs above are your new DADDY, right?
How many times have they approved.. only to later pull that approval, and have never once been held accountable?
They blithely go one being your DADDY, because you NEED a DADDY, and they know it, they know you NEED them.
Smells are smells. Live with it.
Some love the smell of gasoline, some hate it, some love the smell of freshly fried permed hair, some hate it, some love the smell of nail polish remover, some hate it .. the list endless.
It doesn't take much to torque a nazi up.
Saccharin, remember that one? You all ate that one up too.
How many of you nazis are feeding your kids high fructose corn syrup?
Nice and natural and wholesome that stuff..
What, can't avoid it you say? It's in nearly everything including every soda pop on the market now? hmmm..
It's time to be big people and educate yourselves. It isn't story time on the kindergarten mat anymore.
http://www.forces.org/evidence/evid/lung.htm | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/14/2007 2:35:01 PM |
Children's cells are growing, and their risk of developing respiratory or heart diseases and/or cancer are much greater from the exposure.
I agree, the childrens cells are growing, including their FAT CELLS !
Obesity in children's has reached pandemic proportions. Sedementary kiddos setting in front of video and textin' their buddies, cruizin' the idiot box, eating junk food and hollarin' they want MickeeDees for supper acceptable and healthy?
Yes, parents influence their kids and it's not always for the good.
No, I won't smoke with children in the car, not because it's against the law, but for goodness sakes, the government shouldn't have to interfere, I CAN and I WILL use my own discretion as long as I have the right to. | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/14/2007 3:48:14 PM |
..Consider this, IF tobacco were actually to be legally classified as an illegal substance and the States could no longer collect the tobacco tax revenues and Tobacco Settlement funds who will pick up the tab for those missing millions or billions of lost tax revenue? You got it, the NON smokers. Wonder when they will figure this out. .
I am sure all of us have known people whose lives were destroyed by inhaling second hand smoke.
I am sure they would love to pay the extra taxes.
Ask the people who were exposed to second hand smoke when they were young who have to use an inhaler for the rest of their lives ? Ask the ones who have asthma ?
I have heard this argument that smokers pay taxes and without them everyone would have to pay more. I would love to hear a neutral expert do a report on that subject because the only people that mention that are smokers and I am not convinced.
I have even heard the smoker say we die earlier so we don't collect pensions so we save the government money. I consider someone who says such a thing to be a moron.
Smokers also cost everybody money.
They cause FIRES that kill people and destroy property. For example, in BC a few years ago, a careless smoker caused a fire that put many people out of work He burned the whole town down. Numerous house fires are started by smoking where people, including children have died.
Do you think these fires don't cost money and needlessly risk lives of firefighters and people who are in the fires path ?
They need more sick days than a non smoker. That cost companies money and guess who pays ? All of us.
I can go on and on. In Canada, when you visit a doctor because of an illness caused by smoking, it costs more than your taxes you pay on that product.
The smokers who bring up the obesity problem in kids talk as if they make healthier choices for their children than non smokers. I know that is not true.
There are many parents who live healthy lifestyles who pass that on to their kids too. | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/14/2007 4:16:33 PM | | "We have the right NOT to smell your stench." sure you do, don't get near me and you wont smell me. I have the right not to smell someone with to much perfum, to much body odor and look at someone to ugly. Guess what I just don't go close to them. But please don't do tell me that I can't smoke because you don't want to smell it. If your so dam worried about air polution, why don't you stop driving your car and turn off your gas. Go ban all thouse airsol sprays , all the industrial activities thats happening. They sure as hell cause alot more air polution then smoking has ever done. | |
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| No smoking in car with minors
Posted: 10/14/2007 4:20:37 PM | "Slippery slope arguments. Do you have an issue with not smoking in cars, or do you have an issue with not smoking within a 100 feet?
Because one doesn't immediately jump to the other."
I for one do have an issue with not been abel to smoke in my car. It's my dam car and I will smoke in it if I want. But for one if there is a young children in my car I will not smoke in it. Also when i smoke in my car the windows will be down. I don't see the issue with that, and anyone trying to take my right to smoke can go to hell. ( and yes i know the effects smoking cig, still my choise thou and i'm not endangering anyone else but myself) | |
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