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Posted: 4/14/2008 1:25:16 PM | | *BLUESMAN*!!! You are a lawyer for the luvva Pete!!! I have never known a lawyer _not_ to argue with anyone or anything!! Including a dog! I have now lived to see it ALL! I worked for many lawyers for 15 years.........I never knew ONE of them _not_ to argue about anything. ~holds head in hands~ Heck, one was even arguing with the bathroom door at the court house one day when he couldn't get it open..........I said, "You have to push.........not pull the door. So says the sign". | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 1:33:18 PM | | Do not let pets sleep in bed. Been there done that, especially with little dogs like Yorkies who will run across your body while your trying to sleep. This is definitely a deal breaker in a relationship. Some people put pets on the same plane as children, I say run like hell if you meet someone like that, they definitely have issues. | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 2:15:49 PM | Pets smell no matter how much you bathe them
Maybe dogs do. Cats smell great. I miss sticking my nose in my cat's fur and breathing in his smell - warm, clean fur is lovely. Cats wash much more than humans ever do - it's their second-favourite pastime (after sleeping). I think the people who are all squiked out about Pet! HAIR! on the BED! are bordering on OCD. It's just hair! | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 2:22:24 PM | | If you don't like my dogs don't let the door hit you in the but when you leave They stay it is not negotible | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 3:01:48 PM | I never said you mistreated your pet, but you made remarks about the intelligence and quality of the people on here and I quote:
I dont want my name associated tto this site, its like hanging with a social group, I dont want to be seen with any of you.......
If that is not insulting, I don't know what is. | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 3:06:18 PM | | Music..my fear would be nasty doggie smells and fleas that get into the bedding and mattress...sometimes i think pets in a bed are a sheild between you and your partner...The nastiest thing to smell would be if you put your face into your pillow at night only to find fido stuck his butt there or it smelled like ear fungus....YUCK! Like sleeping in a dirty hamster cage! | |
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Posted: 4/14/2008 11:38:21 PM | I call it an intelligent observation,  | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 12:39:41 AM | | ^^^Go pay some attention to your dog, he deserves it more than we do, and will appreciate your company more ... I can guarantee it. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 3:22:42 AM | I call it condesending and rude. I have found in a great deal of the forums when people disagree with a poster, that poster begins to name call and make other rude remarks. Those who disagree with that poster suddenly become unintelligent, etc. Adults can agree to disagree, they don't have to resort to name calling. Everyone will not agree and you accept it.
You state you would not want to be in the same social group as the rest of the posters. On behalf of everyone, let me say:
A GREAT AND GRAND THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 7:53:13 AM | Well I adore my dogs  but years ago stopped allowing animals on my bed, or the furniture, because everything gets dirty so much faster. As an animal lover and rescuer, I try as much as is humanely and practically possible, to allow my dogs to live a life that is as close to what it would be if they had not been domesticated beyond self sufficiency by humans. I try to evaluate whether what I am doing serves the health and well-being of the dog, or just makes me feel good. Since the dogs I rescue usually live well beyond their normal life expectancy... I guess I'm doing something right.
My dogs run around outside (in a secured area) and get into all kinds of crap...most of which I don't want to know about. From time to time they leave some kind of evidence that they were either rolling around in or eating something dead or rotten that they found outside. I wish they wouldn't do it but they are dogs and I don't want to nor can I watch them every second of the day. Whatever they have stepped in or rolled in I do not want on my bed or couch. Indoors (and outdoors) they have comfortable sleeping areas. Usually I have two or more dogs at a time so they can sleep with each other... in their own beds.
Allowing dogs: to sleep in your bed, on furniture, giving them birthday parties, coloring their fur, polishing their nails etc., satisfies a human urge, or need, and does not make the animal healthier or happier. Some people try to turn their companion animals into little human beings, and in a way the animal is treated in a manner that is so unnatural that I actually find it cruel and insensitive to what is actually best for the animal. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 10:21:36 AM | My oldest cat (13-1/2) sleeps under the covers with me. But then again, he's got cancer and I've been taking him for chemo treatments (which, after several different meds, this latest one, CCNU, is actually working - everything has shrunk to normal and bloodwork is fine!)... he's lost pretty much all the hair on his neck, the rest is thinning, ears are balding, and lost his whiskers... hopefully he's actually going into remission and when he gets off the chemo it'll all start growing back, but... until then, I don't mind my little "trooper" (the tech's at the vet love him, he never complains) being under the covers with me where its warm.
Although, yes, "giving them birthday parties, coloring their fur, polishing their nails etc." to me is silly. I'll admit, for Xmas day I do buy the cats a can of real "human food" Salmon, as a treat... but not like I gift wrap it or anything, its just kinda 'tradition' in my family. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 11:19:45 AM | My oldest cat (13-1/2) sleeps under the covers with me. But then again, he's got cancer and I've been taking him for chemo treatments (which, after several different meds, this latest one, CCNU, is actually working
Forums1 I can certainly think of a few situations where allowing an animal to sleep on the bed is acceptable and this is certainly one of them. Whatever helps a scared, sick, or dying animal feel comfortable is not something that I would criticize. And I hope your cat gets better.
Although the decision is always very personal and depends on some many factors regarding the animal; I must say that I would probably not put an older animal (and would think very hard about even putting a younger animal) through chemo or on lots of meds. I say this from experience. Putting an animal through something which is traumatic, makes it sicker during the process, extends its' life for a very short time if at all, is an example of the human need to keep a beloved animal companion around in disregard for what is best for the animal. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 11:54:36 AM |
Allowing dogs: to sleep in your bed, on furniture, giving them birthday parties, coloring their fur, polishing their nails etc., satisfies a human urge, or need, and does not make the animal healthier or happier.
Well, I'll agree it isn't going to make them any healthier, but the happier is going to depend a lot on the individual animal. Same thing with being outdoors. If you have a dog that greatly enjoys being outside and has a pack to run with, that's definitely great and is very healthy for the dog. And I would totally agree that you probably aren't going to want to share a bed with a dog that's outside all the time, I certainly wouldn't. I though own a breed that tends to bond very closely with their owner and really *hate* to be separated. This is totally reinforced by the large amount of time I spend daily training my dogs and the sports that I do with them, they get very bonded and will pretty much follow me everywhere I go if allowed. My dogs simply won't do anything when put outside other than lie at the backdoor staring in until I let them back in. Likewise while I train them to sleep on the floor when necessary, they are much happier when they get to share sleeping space with me, curled up at the end of the bed. They do however totally respect my space, and do not walk on me or otherwise bother me while sleeping (unless they are feeling sick, my older dog in particular is very good about waking me up if he is feeling ill and needs to be let out right away!) I am a very light sleeper myself and I don't generally allow my dogs on the bed until they are adults and have learned that when I need them to sleep in a crate or on the floor, that they will willing sleep there quietly. In this way, being on the bed is very much a privilege to be earned and thus becomes just one more training exercise that keeps me very much established as the leader, which is important for household harmony and balanced pets. That's why I personally am not fond of generalizations about what is right for all pets or all people, there just are no hard and fast rules here, but what works for each individual and household. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 1:00:47 PM | Although the decision is always very personal and depends on some many factors regarding the animal; I must say that I would probably not put an older animal (and would think very hard about even putting a younger animal) through chemo or on lots of meds. I say this from experience. Putting an animal through something which is traumatic, makes it sicker during the process, extends its' life for a very short time if at all, is an example of the human need to keep a beloved animal companion around in disregard for what is best for the animal.
I don't disagree Mareena. I had another die last year from a mouth cancer, in his left lower jaw... squamous cell, which is far harder to treat successfully. Pretty much the decision was to cut away 1/2 his lower jaw, or let it run its course - needless to say I chose the latter, since I couldn't see good quality of life in the former. He actually lived 3 years with it, the vet was surprised, she had given him 6 months tops - and had a good quality of life until the last 6 weeks when he went downhill quickly (and I made the decision to 'help' him that final time). He was also an abandoned cat I got from a friend, his parents neighbors just moved and left him there, where my friends parents found him (some people shouldn't have pets) - cut up ears, one permanently flopped over, but a real sweetheart of a pet, and he had a good life with me for like 7 years (don't know, guessing about 14 when he died).
This one, they gave a good chance so I gave it a shot - I've had him since he was a kitten, and actually on this treatment, other than the lost hair, he's full of energy, I don't regret it. I'm realistic, I was hoping to get him to the summer, let him enjoy time in 'his' yard in the sun & warmth... odds are 6-18 months, and he's doing really well. Other than a few weeks of a cold where I had him on antibiotics (compromised immune system from the chemo) he's never been 'sick' or reacted badly to the meds, and he eats like a horse  .
No, if I didn't see a "quality of life" in him, I wouldn't be doing it. The tech's at the vet love him, one never wants to give him back to me  , he doesn't growl/bite/scratch or anything with them - they've voted him 'the best cat they've worked with'. Definitely not a "traumatic" experience for him.
Purely a judgement call. He still seems to have a "quality" life, and with the warmer weather coming he's spending more time outside. If I felt he didn't have that quality, I'd probably choose otherwise. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 2:56:27 PM | My ex was a dog.
My bed dogs are hairless.
My large dogs sleep on the floor because they get so dirty.
My dogs are well trained so they sleep where they are told. I wouldnt have a problem with kicking my dogs out of bed. They are not allowed to scratch or lick in bed and have to jump off to do those things anyway. My dogs sleep right next to me so how could my guy? I wouldnt be offended, I would be flattered and my dogs are little so there is always room at the bottom of the bed.
Some dogs, for training issues, should never be in a bed. It gives them mixed signals about who is Alpha. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 3:01:36 PM | A bunch of you would pick a pet sleeping in a bed over a potential "love of a lifetime?"
That's rich....nice priorities... | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 3:58:28 PM | | NO!^^^^^^^^^^^^He would have to have more than just potential to get in the bed. I don't believe anyone said they would chose a pet over a person. We are simply saying our pets are important and the man or woman should be accepting of the pets that are important to us. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 4:12:32 PM | | The only animal I want in my bed................is a hungry man | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 4:14:24 PM | | ^^^^agrees with *fancynanci* | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 5:09:59 PM | I love animals, I wouldn't mind one on the bed.. although i don't allow mine in my room he sheds too much. lol!
I just wouldn't like them watching........... well,....... you know! That's just weird!  | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 5:17:09 PM | Right now there are over a million dust mites, microscopic critters invisible to the naked eye, on your mattress and pillow, chomping on the dead skin cells that fell off you last night!
Oh, yeah and you are shedding hair, too:
Hair growth is discontinuous. Hairs are lost and replaced by new ones- lasting only a few months for hair of the eyebrows and eyelashes but 2 to 5 years for hair of the scalp.
Don't blame it all on the dog................. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 5:21:26 PM | ^^^^^ Great... thanks for sharing that info Outofthedesert! I'm itchy now!  | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 5:39:03 PM | Yeah, HappynReal, I have herding breeds.......they stare a lot at any moving object(s) before beginning the "round up" ..........I'm not comfortable with THAT LOL.
HappynReal wrote-*........I just wouldn't like them watching........... well,....... you know! That's just weird!
And Oh, so wise Outofthedesert, thank you for THAT........and lest we not forget, FLEA season is now upon much of the country.  | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 8:56:48 PM |
Heck, one was even arguing with the bathroom door at the court house one day when he couldn't get it open
LOL I know what you mean. I've known many of "those" over the years and they're obnoxious as hell as far as I'm concerned and I avoid them like the plague.
I worked my way through night law school while holding down two jobs. One of the guys in my class was a "what iffer". He would take everything and anything the instructor said and come back with a "but what if". Every person in that class developed an insatiable urge to take him outside and smack him upside the head. Man oh man those people are annoying as hell. The mental masturbation they go through is amazing. I kept telling him that "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar". He never got it and probably never will. But the public is safe from this weasel. He wound up never passing the bar (after two tries). Hehehe justice is sweet.
I saw far too many students get really crazy with the power over people they felt they were developing and it wasn't a pretty picture. Their egos wouldn't fit into the room they were so large. Me, I take the work seriously but I don't take myself that seriously. Life is supposed to be about having fun and enjoying it and not getting all strung out on the power trips involved.
I have maybe three close friends who are lawyers because they're NOT lawyers after hours. They (we) leave the work on the desk and that's just the way I like it. Some people are just born to argue and law school seems to be a natural place for them and, although I've very effective in court, when I'm not in court, I leave the degree elsewhere
I just finished a jury trial in Burbank not too long ago. It's one of those rare times when I was representing the defendant in a civil action (I'm usually on the plaintiff side but, on this one, I thought these lovely people were getting screwed so I took on their case).
When I first met the plaintiff's lawyer prior to trial, I could tell he was fairly young, inexperienced and completely in love with himself and his "abilities". He said "you know, I've been practicing for over ten years now. This is a strong case and you should urge your clients to settle". I said, "well, I'm really impressed with your experience and abilities, but my clients won't settle".
He came off so completely pompous at trial that the jury saw right through it and tossed his case out the window. As we were leaving the courthouse after the defense verdict was announced in favor of my clients, I turned to him and said "you know, I've been doing this for well over 30 years son (and I emphasized "SON") and you've got a lot to learn about human nature. He was fuming, but, hey, that's how the cookie crumbles some times
But that's the reason I don't hang out with many lawyers. Too much of a power trip for them. And I'm basically a lover, not a fighter. | |
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Posted: 4/15/2008 9:40:40 PM | Sooooooooooooooooo your sex partner would have to do you on the couch and then send you to bed to sleep with the dog ..
*keeps clicking on OTHER profiles* | |
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