| The Consciousness of the Human Being
Posted: 5/29/2008 5:51:52 AM | | We are what we perceive. It is a worth while endever to explore the basis for what we think is true because so much of what we are taugh is false. Isn't science about the search for truths? | |
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| The Consciousness of the Human Being
Posted: 5/29/2008 6:32:12 AM | Answer.... It's all around us 100% of the time in our daily lives
Not sure if i have figured out the absolute point of what you're saying so if i'm off on a tangent, please say so.
I see fully conscious people as those who know themselves.... and know themselves inside out. Those who are not afraid to he brutally honest with themselves. (Many people think they do but many people don't have a clue)
You mention companies/corporations..
They are fully conscious beings... not humans.. but they have very similar traits and they can go through their 'lives' with just their objective in mind.
They prey on the semi conscious ..(and other fully conscious) beings.
With other fully conscious beings at the helm (directors) and millions of semi conscious beings in the engine room making it go (shareholders)
There are no semi conscious corporations....(they would go out of business.. perfect example... ENRON.. started pretending and lying to itself and hiding its failings until it all just collapsed)
I don't think semi conscious beings know that they can choose their lives rather than living how they perceive society thinks they should.... (This doesn't include everyone, that's impossible)
We can choose so many things in our lives... we don't realise how much. Not necessarily physical things like baldness.. or to live forever but we can make things happen if we only try...... (not always 1st time or even 2nd... maybe the 100th)
Luck does play a part yes.. a lot.. but some people are lucky first time... some people 2nd... if you have the strength to try.. the Xth time... you will be lucky.
However just as this is mathematical probability, in some cases... it will never happen... and there... you can just be grateful in thinking ... You tried .......rather than not even bothering..(small consolation i know but still a partial moral victory)
I think semi conscious beings exist in limbo... those who spend their lives existing but not much else.
Wake up - Go to work - come home - eat - watch TV - go to bed
Wake up - Go to work - come home - eat - watch TV - go to bed
Wake up - Go to work - come home - eat - watch TV - go to bed
Then at the weekend, they do some shopping .... maybe go out/get drunk, spend sunday recovering and every Monday say that they've had a "relaxing" weekend.
(Relaxing... often means .... did sweet FA and watched TV)
I think people who say they are happy doing that are many.
Those who are genuinely happy doing that are few and far between.
In the meantime, the corporations have advertised a new gizmo on the tv and the semi conscious being has bought it, used it once and is now waiting for the next gizmo.
The Fully Conscious Human, I believe, is the next logical step in the upwards evolution of man
Partial credit I reckon.... I think that in many respects we are moving further and further away from this idea.
I think we are moving toward more of a "The time machine" scenario... with the Morlocks and the Eloi.
The fully conscious beings will generally breed other fully conscious beings and the semi conscious beings will generally breed other semi conscious beings.
I think we will end up dividing into 2 quite distinct sects with the fully conscious beings feeding off the semi conscious beings. (it's happening already, but it will increase) | |
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| The Consciousness of the Human Being
Posted: 5/29/2008 7:08:48 AM | Gliding: you have to be careful about relying upon perception as our senses can often deceive us. A mirage can fool our eye sight, an echo can fool our hearing, our nose can fail us when confronting odourless gasses, etc.
And what if one is like hellen keller - with only a few of the senses working - would this then imply that she also has a reduced, or limited in some way, conciousness?
There must be some component of conciousness that is inherent.... | |
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| The Consciousness of the Human Being
Posted: 6/1/2008 5:43:56 PM | Read Maslow's work, you'd like it OP.
I believe we are most happy when we grow and strive for new things -- ever notice how people with things, whether tangible or intangible, can be so unhappy? It's not dynamic enough to keep them happy. To feel growth, achievement, accomplishment.
Follow your bliss.
But what do you do when your talents are different than your bliss? Maybe you have one as work and one as a hobby/interest. | |
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| The Consciousness of the Human Being
Posted: 6/1/2008 8:07:47 PM | This is called wishful thinking, the power of positive thinking, the secret, or or or... Same stuff, different wrapping.
I know a few wholly conscious people. They live their lives the same as we do. One foot in front of the other. Someone mentioned luck earlier on. I tend to believe in destiny.
Ever see "The Devil and Daniel Johnston"? Destiny.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Johnston
Listen to his crap genius, and look at his bush art.
He's the farthest from consciousness that you can get. | |
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| The Consciousness of the Human Being
Posted: 6/1/2008 9:16:43 PM | | yes, being fully conscious is a blessing. But it does not guarantee a perfect life....too many other elements will come in the way: genetic, karma, previous conditioning ( from other lives, I mean)......It's not that easy but certainly it is worth trying to achieve all that one can be. In some cases acceptance of the un-changeable is the best way in and out. Some conditions do limit human potential, for instance some serious disabilities or one's physical makeup. The mind can trascend - depending on how strong the conditioning of the body and of previous lives is ( at least this is what I believe). Defilements ( pollutants) will always get in the way.....it takes relentlessness- unending effort.....one can never say that he/she has arrived ( at least not in the world of ordinary average humans- enlightenment happens exceptionally). | |
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| The Consciousness of the Human Being
Posted: 6/4/2008 10:52:07 PM |
The Fully Conscious Human, I believe, is the next logical step in the upwards evolution of man.
(For definitional purposes: Woman/ womb man - man as well.
How will this man become this fully conscious human?
When this man realizes what they are.
I believe this concepts plays out everyday in the briefest of moments in most every person, in a sudden flame of realization found in self reflection and then is quenched by social consciousness.
The journey to awakening the master is not found along the path of least resistance.
"Consciousness and Energy create the Nature of Reality"rse | |
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| The Consciousness of the Human Being
Posted: 6/5/2008 12:41:58 AM | The journey to awakening the master is not found along the path of least resistance.
I worry sometimes that our conscious vices are the only things keeping madness at bay.
Chaos is pretty good at finding ways of seeping through the cracks.
Avoid mental zergs.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=zerging
Random information can swarm the mind and the mind's pattern recognition abilities can make us think pretty absurd things as a result. During a serious bout of insomnia, pattern recognition led me to believe my boss was following me after work to 'observe' my personal life. All in order to set up a case he could use to entrap me into further work duties.
That's how ****ed up our minds can get if we lose control of information regulation.
Was a long time ago. I don't miss that insomnia one bit.
Although I took a picture and it's now my profile pic to remind me of that time.
Strange days indeed. lol | |
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| The Consciousness of the Human Being
Posted: 6/5/2008 3:29:47 PM | Do you see this concept play out in your daily lives.... or does this philosophy not speak to your sense of reality? Do you have alternative interpretations? Additions?
Absolutely, a friend once said "I used to wan't to save the world, but they don't want to be saved...only They can save themselves. So I just take care of myself and make money off them. Now, I am Rich and they get what they want. It is as good as it gets."
I still have trouble with the pure profit motive. I feel a personal obligation to check my motives and an inner urge to align with a balance between my good and the tao or whatever you call the space where energy dances in more creative ways, where it flows, where both are enhanced.
I would add that the choices we make, even by default when sleeping, determine the experience we call objective reality. There are many realities and there is a difference between being fully conscious and being fully enlightened ; I am neither.
What is the Endgame when one uses ones awareness to take energy from the unawares? | |
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Posted: 7/8/2008 4:12:48 AM | Right off... gotta admit i am disappointed that a question of this substance has drawn so little response here. Pof has a history of offering-up an impressive variety of responses to some of the ultimate questions of the day, with many actually being based on scientific study. I was hoping to read a large selection of varied thought on what i consider to be the most important of questions.
Briefly, this is a subject matter i have taken time to read a bit about... for the simple reason it accounts for everything of which we know, of which we are aware. If we are not conscious of the world, would it matter whether or not it existed? Not meant as a question but, rather, a quick comment on the topic.
I could go on and on here but why bore? The best thing i can do is ask those interested persons to google "Steven Pinker + Time magazine" for his article, "The Mystery of Consciousness". This will provide you with the current scientific thinking on the subject matter... and where he thinks it is all going. I am firmly of the belief that our understanding, our knowledge of human consciousness will determine whether we become smart enough to populate the Universe, or die here in our own filth caused by overpopulation. In close, i have to admit, my exploration of this topic has never let me down. The more i learn the more impressive it all becomes. | |
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Posted: 7/11/2008 12:21:37 AM | It's too bad the OP and earlier posters are gone.
Problem with this living fully conscious stuff is that it's kind of lonely. Not a lot of folks can or want to or can be bothered - or something. Ideally, two such people would find each other and be soul mates (whatever that means). I don't think there's a dating site for the fully conscious LOL.
It's difficult to maintain when you have to live in the world. You have to work. You have to tend to mundane but necessary things. Yes, you can do them with full consciousness but sometimes it's just too tiring so you coast. The minutiae of daily life can impede your quest and your progress. | |
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| The Consciousness of the Human Being
Posted: 7/13/2008 9:48:01 PM | The more you understand about yourself, the more likely you are to be alone
I wish , i imagine, i dream but i also know from experience
the more you have sorted out your own self, are well on your way to indentifying and uprooting the selfish , pitching out the preprogrammed idiocies, the societal chains and the parts of your training that were products of years of negative experience with low tech cultures and have zero chance of ever doing more than confounding and confusing ., the more likely it is that you are battling alone. It isnt a fight that two typically tackle together.. other issues jump up and capture the time..the dynamics of coupling long term makes their own demands on energy and consciousness and create battles and battle fields that consume resources needed for real self discovery.
Now that i feel I have moved far enough along the path to seek someone in a similar position on the same road , i look around and its an empty vista .
I made this choice and now i have to deal with this challenge. | |
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Posted: 7/14/2008 12:50:25 AM | This sounds like Nietsche and Ayn Rand.
Strangely, it also sounds like Maslow and some of the psychologists that came after him.
There's some truth behind what you're saying here, but I don't feel that we ultimately exert ANY control over our behaviors because I believe in a deterministic universe which has no room for "free will".
We've just got a lot of beliefs built up because it feels like we're making choices in our lives that weren't caused by our biology or our past experiences, but there is no choice or action that you have ever taken or will take that was not determined by the sequence of events which lead up to that moment. The belief in free will is just a convenient self-deception that is a survival trait for the species. | |
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| The Consciousness of the Human Being
Posted: 7/14/2008 12:51:40 AM | | Yes somehow you're right "transcend", but if you look at it this way, with positivity, love and CONSCIOUSNESS, you will discover that there are a few above normal consciousness like you and that they are worth much more than a heard of sheep's. | |
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| The Consciousness of the Human Being
Posted: 9/3/2008 11:28:48 AM |
If a person had to choose between being truly compassionate and fully conscious, which would be the better choice - which would make them a "better" person?
I don't see how you could call yourself fully conscious without being a compassionate being .......the Bush administration of the past 8 years is a good example of what happens when you have no compassion for your fellow man/woman.......
Is that really a goal for anyone with a brain ? | |
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Posted: 9/3/2008 9:08:28 PM |
If a person had to choose between being truly compassionate and fully conscious, which would be the better choice - which would make them a "better" person?
I don't see how you could call yourself fully conscious without being a compassionate being I
Perhaps "fully conscious" and "compassionate" need a definition.
To be fully conscious - - - does that mean enlightened?
If enlightened then we are dealing with another understanding.
While compassion would be understood perhaps empathic might be more acurate.
And to be compassionate, would that mean one would need to act upon it? Or allow others to live their lives and gain from an experience. | |
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| The Consciousness of the Human Being
Posted: 9/4/2008 6:41:11 AM |
And to be compassionate, would that mean one would need to act upon it? Or allow others to live their lives and gain from an experience.
"Love is action".....I stole that from a gal's profile......
And I wholeheartedly believe in it......
I know some pretty "unenlightened" people who are givers.......and I if I get to pick who I spend my time with I'll pick the givers......
The proof is in the pudding my friend........theoretical pudding just doesn't do the trick..... | |
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Posted: 9/4/2008 9:13:09 AM | Nothing can be changed by thought alone. Conciousness must be a basis for action. Thinking "I am rich" will not make you rich. Getting out there and earning money will.
Also, some things are beyond both thought and action. For example, willpower can never prevent someone from getting cancer, or make it treatable if it is a kind that isn't. | |
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Posted: 9/4/2008 8:11:09 PM |
I know some pretty "unenlightened" people who are givers.......and I if I get to pick who I spend my time with I'll pick the givers......
The proof is in the pudding my friend........theoretical pudding just doesn't do the trick.....
That's nice. So, Ah - - - So what is your point? | |
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| The Consciousness of the Human Being
Posted: 9/8/2008 2:31:38 AM | if we knew everything wouldent life be boring.
Semi-Conscious Humans or Conscious Humans ae we not conscious when we are awake. every day is diffrent in some way.
if we only use some of our brain whats the rest 4  | |
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| The Consciousness of the Human Being
Posted: 9/8/2008 6:05:34 PM | Row,,,,Row,,,,Row,,,,
Your boat,
Gently down the Stream.
Merrily,Merrily,Merily,Merrily,
Life is but a dream
Have you ever been dreaming and said to yourself
...................this isn't REAL(ity)..................
...................I'm just DREAMING................??????
I'm wondering whether the author
of the song quoted above^^^^^^^^^^^
would equate 'consciousness' to Waking Up
 
What is the REALITY we wish to be conscious of?????
If 'life is but a dream'
Are we 'sleepwalkers'
If.......
we continue
to use the 'sleeping pills 'society' offers????? | |
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