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Posted: 4/4/2008 4:37:56 PM | | I'm not sure if I'm posting this in the right place or not but I hope so. There was an event posted for tomorrow nite 4/5/08 at The Chambers in Tampa. The host was Angel something. It was still there last nite but it is totally gone now. Does that mean it's been cancelled or what? | |
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Posted: 4/4/2008 10:25:33 PM | | ^^^ I beleive the event you are talking about isn't so much an exclusive POF get together so much as it is a chance for the hostess to make money by collecting a cover charge for parties at a public venue and so the thread was deleted. | |
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Posted: 5/18/2008 12:21:42 PM | "where is the list of deleted threads? can anyone tell me"
On any forum thread page you'll see a 'Mod Tread' link at the top. Clicking on it will take you to that page where you'll also see a clickable 'Deleted Threads' link. | |
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Posted: 6/16/2008 6:14:01 PM | | I agree with some of the posters I have seen threads be delted for no reason. its almsot like u have to go to ur email and discuss it that way. this is a forum for discussion, only ur not allowed to discuss things for long anyway. I dont know what to make of it except to expect your thread to be deleted. kinda like when going to a casino expect to lose lol.so say what u got to say before it happens. I read the rules and the rules do not apply to some of the deleted threads. if u ask me there are too many rules for this to be a forum. I think only mean peole who are outright attacting someone is the only threads that should be deleted. otherwise there is jsut no real reason to delete them. maybe he deletes the threads from users he dont like. I dont know. but i do know alot of times it makes no sense to me. | |
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Posted: 6/16/2008 7:10:00 PM | | well i was jsut informed that most threads are deleted by forum usres votes not the moderators. most of them anyway | |
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Posted: 6/16/2008 7:13:00 PM |
its almsot like u have to go to ur email and discuss it that way.
Like, YEAH, thats the whole point the moderators have been trying to make.
If you want to chat, chat via emails. Don't do it in the forums.
If you chat in the forums, expect it to be deleted and yourself possibly banned.
Although you might not see this as a thread being deleted for a reason, it is a reason clearly stated in the rules. | |
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Posted: 6/16/2008 7:27:54 PM | | only one problem its not called chat its called a discussion which last time i checked is waht a forum is for. | |
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Posted: 6/16/2008 7:32:54 PM | you can call it whatever you want but its still the same thing, believe it or not
as for what the forums are "for" just cause we might feel the forums are for chatting and mingling and discussing random stuff doesn't mean thats what plentyoffish intended them to be and wants them to be
clearly if it was, then it wouldnt be against the rules to do so, right
either way, you have a choice
you can choose to go along with the rules of the site
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choose not to, which no doubt will result in you loosing your ability to post - period. | |
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Posted: 6/16/2008 7:37:46 PM | | Can't people read deleted threads? There was one deleted today i wanted to read the responses to, it wasn't violating any rule, no chatting was taking place, and the 3 posts i missed couldn't have started a chat.... So im confused as to why it was deleted and would like to read the posts i missed. | |
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Posted: 6/16/2008 7:38:33 PM | thank you miss for ur thoughts. have a good night.
I dont know if u can read deleted threads as i cant even find them. | |
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Posted: 6/16/2008 8:12:46 PM |
Can't people read deleted threads? Wouldn't that be like someone being able to read/see a deleted profile? Deleted, at least in my mind, means gone, out of here, no longer available for viewing.
There was one deleted today i wanted to read the responses to, it wasn't violating any rule, no chatting was taking place Chatting is but one of the many reasons for a thread to be deleted. Redundancy, from what I have read, seems to top the list of why threads are deleted. Bottom line, deleted threads are just that, deleted. | |
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Posted: 6/16/2008 8:50:32 PM |
I agree with some of the posters I have seen threads be delted for no reason. its almsot like u have to go to ur email and discuss it that way. this is a forum for discussion, only ur not allowed to discuss things for long anyway. I dont know what to make of it except to expect your thread to be deleted. kinda like when going to a casino expect to lose lol.so say what u got to say before it happens. I read the rules and the rules do not apply to some of the deleted threads. if u ask me there are too many rules for this to be a forum. I think only mean peole who are outright attacting someone is the only threads that should be deleted. otherwise there is jsut no real reason to delete them. maybe he deletes the threads from users he dont like. I dont know. but i do know alot of times it makes no sense to me.
You haven't seen any threads deleted for no reason. If a thread was deleted there was a reason for it and those reasons were described on the first page of this thread, very very patiently by one of the other moderators...complete with extensive links.
Just because you personally were not aware of a rule broken or don't interpret one being broken does not mean that there was not one broken...this is in fact a common defense used by those who have broken a rule ("I didn't see anything wrong with calling that guy a liberal commie coward...after what he said...").
A moderator who deleted posts or threads by "people he didn't like" would not be a moderator for very long. Likewise, the "vote to delete" function on threads is NOT a closed ballot. That means if someone establishes a pattern of voting to delete threads out of spite rather than exercising their community responsibility to only vote off threads that are actually in violation of a rule, they can and will lose that ability in the same way they can be limited in posts or banned from posting altogether.
The rules have been developed over time to make for as level a playing field as possible. They work fine when people abide by them. It's usually only those that can't seem to do so or don't bother to read them in the first place that seem to have a problem...sadly as in real life, ignorance of the law is no excuse. Fortunately here, unlike in real life, calling someone a jerk may only get you banned and not punched in the nose.
Can't people read deleted threads? There was one deleted today i wanted to read the responses to, it wasn't violating any rule, no chatting was taking place, and the 3 posts i missed couldn't have started a chat.... So im confused as to why it was deleted and would like to read the posts i missed.
When a post or thread are deleted, they are gone, gone, gone...never to return. As someone else noted, the primary problem that threads get deleted for is redundancy...it may have been the 5th thread started on that topic. That's what the Search button is for. Again, see above. Just because you are unaware of a forum rule, doesn't mean a rule is not being broken...redundancy is one of the prime causes of thread deletion. I think most of this has been asked and answered already in the first three pages of this thread.
TheMadFiddler - PoF Forum Moderator. | |
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Posted: 6/16/2008 8:53:00 PM | i have posted to many threads in the ask a guy forum...only this week did i start a thread in ask a gal forum- it got lots of hits and a few answers and now it's gone...it was within all rules (i read them) and i have no clue as to why it is gone...can i get any answers here? it was headed: : "prefer not to say in a profile".
thanks for any help here.
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Posted: 6/16/2008 9:01:17 PM |
and i have no clue as to why it is gone...can i get any answers here? it was headed: : "prefer not to say in a profile". I'm guessing that it was deleted for being annoyingly redundant | |
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Posted: 6/16/2008 9:09:07 PM | thanks for your "guess"...did you read it before it was deleted or is that the best "guess" you have?
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Posted: 6/16/2008 9:12:04 PM | ^^^^
actually its a very educated guess, in fact, i was thinking the same thing
either way, if you READ THE BIG B OLD THREAD AT THE TOP OF THIS FORUM THAT SAYS....
FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS - PLEASE CLICK HERE Before You Post
you'd find the same answer and more details explaining why
or you could read message 88 in this thread posted by a moderator | |
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Posted: 6/16/2008 9:12:29 PM | From what I have observed the most common reasons for deletion are redundancy, off topic to the forum, protests and threads that have spiraled into bash fests.
How many threads do you need in order to realize there are people that will or won’t reply and why?
Someone wants to inquire or ask advice about a dating experience but post it in the Poem and Quotes forum.
Someone has joined and after three days didn’t get laid so they scream about a free site being a rip off and all men/woman are heartless manipulating users.
A thread that might possibly have started out to be an interesting unique discussable topic always seems to have a moron or seven that just want to take each other to task and not the subject. When this goes on for 50 pages before the Mods are alerted at times it is easier for them to just delete the thread than to sift through to delete all the bashing posts.
Can't people read deleted threads?
You can’t actually read the thread anymore once it has been deleted. You can view the thread topic that was deleted by clicking on Mod Threads at the top of most of the forum pages which will take you to a list of threads up for voting and at the top of that page is Deleted Threads. You can see which Mods deleted threads, no Mod name I believe means it was a community voted off thread.
**Edit** I entered the words "Prefer not to say" in the search thread title and there are about 5 or 6 current threads with that in the title.
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Posted: 6/16/2008 9:21:37 PM | thanks for the answers- i, too, did a search (b4 posting) and came up with no threads with the same content so i posted...not a problem now that it's been explained.
funny thing is- unless you see it as being posted b4- and post- you never know why...no one seemed to say they saw it anywhere else but- again- thanks for the replies.
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Posted: 6/16/2008 9:24:39 PM |
i have posted to many threads in the ask a guy forum...only this week did i start a thread in ask a gal forum- it got lots of hits and a few answers and now it's gone...it was within all rules (i read them) and i have no clue as to why it is gone...can i get any answers here? it was headed: : "prefer not to say in a profile".
thanks for any help here.
What forum was that again...Oh yeah...Ask a Troll. Excuse me a moment.
That's better. Yeah...as this question has only been answered a half dozen times in this thread alone I'm not going to grace that with a response except to say the question itself is highly illustrative of why I join with tickettoride in saying those two forums should be nuked from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
A thread that might possibly have started out to be an interesting unique discussable topic always seems to have a moron or seven that just want to take each other to task and not the subject. When this goes on for 50 pages before the Mods are alerted at times it is easier for them to just delete the thread than to sift through a delete all the bashing posts.
Well put. Thank you.
When we have to make so many trips back to a thread even after warning the inhabitants, banning several and rolling it back to the last relevant post or surgically removing irrelevant and flame posts left and right, deleting offtopic ones till it becomes like a game of "Operation" there comes a point of diminishing returns. Kind of like this thread. And I think no one can be given any answers more "real" than the ones they have been given. Anyone who can't get it by now won't get it in a hundred more answers either. Read the whole thread. Read it again. And don't ask again. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 5:38:32 PM | so lets get this crystal clear before anymore of my threads get deleted overnight. It doesnt matter how long your thread has remained unmolested, if it suddenly comes to a moderators attention i.e someone is witch hunting you....... then if there is anything slightly iffy about it then it goes.
Now as a slightly competent computer user ( I know my Z80 from my 80x86 and my packets from my firmware ) other than a modest increase in processing overhead, I dont see why the delete process include an automatic email that does include the votes (not the voter's names of course) so a poster has a genuine chance if they are genuine, of correcting their behaviour. Otherwise it's a little bit cardassian justice. you are guilty but we arent telling you what of and you are already sentenced without a chance to plead your case.
Thats not exactly in the spirit of a community is it people?
and if even you suspect someone is stalking you and you get your threads moderatorated they can still get deleted if someone hijacks them so you cant win whatever you do. however it is a free site so whatever.
love and peace
hug someone new today 
regards from 40, defender of the faith, the weak and the ridiculous. | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 6:40:52 PM | someone is witch hunting you Contrary to your wild conspiracy theory, threads don't get deleted unless rules are violated.
If someone is "witch hunting" you, the "witch hunters" can't get your thread deleted, unless some sort of rules were violated.
they can still get deleted if someone hijacks them What I've noticed:
Usually if someone hijacks a thread, and the mods notice it: the hijacking posts are removed and the thread remains (unless the entire thread violated rules.
probably 99%+ of the threads I've noticed get deleted, broke some rule in the opening post
I dont see why the delete process include an automatic email that does include the votes (not the voter's names of course) so a poster has a genuine chance if they are genuine, of correcting their behaviour. Rules to these forums are plastered all over. Often in big, bold bright red letters, saying things like"**Read this BEFORE posting** ", or "Please Read Before Posting"
Why should the moderators of this forum waste their time babysitting the people who don't bother to read them? | |
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Posted: 7/2/2008 7:31:07 PM | It doesnt matter how long your thread has remained unmolested, if it suddenly comes to a moderators attention i.e someone is witch hunting you....... then if there is anything slightly iffy about it then it goes.
A Thread may require Cleaning or Deletion depending what is required to get the Topic back on Track.
you are guilty but we arent telling you what of and you are already sentenced without a chance to plead your case. Thats not exactly in the spirit of a community is it people?
Spirit? We don't have Time for that. E-Mail the Admin to install an Army of Mods for that, 'cause I certainly won't.
they can still get deleted if someone hijacks them so you cant win
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Posted: 7/2/2008 8:02:29 PM | no need to get personal. some people could easily interperate
Contrary to your wild conspiracy theory
as been an insulting attack on me personally even though I had never mentioned you at all before. in my post I did say
then if there is anything slightly iffy about it then it goes.
therefore I did admit the possiblity that there is a technical error in the thread, so why highlight part of my post?
the rules aren't quite black and white, they are subject to interpretation and judgement.
if everyone followed them to the letter and erred on the side of safety just in case, then the number of new threads would be substantially decimated. How do you define a subject previously covered? Is it okay to start a thread about the colour red if there is a thread on the colour green or are all colours off topic now. Not a silly example but a simple one to make the point clear. How precisely or loosely do you define something.
and saying
Rules to these forums are plastered all over. Often in big, bold bright red letters, saying things like"**Read this BEFORE posting** ", or "Please Read Before Posting"
Why should the moderators of this forum waste their time babysitting the people who don't bother to read them?
does not answer the question posed by the esteemed gentleman previously. In fact it shows a rude refusal to read what someone says, as I did clearly suggest that it would be an automatic process. The automatic thread deletion routine can easily be modified to send an email with the voting results to the unlucky poster.
The term babysitting is clearly intended to insult those it is thrown at, I believe I have suggested a simple easy way to reduce the genuine feeling of upset, bafflement and annoyance people must feel when they dont UNDERSTAND why their thread has suddenly disppeared. Dont forget, some of us have day jobs and cannot monitor our posts for sudden activity and hence be clued up why they are falling foul of the rules. We go to bed and there was nothing going on but the next time we log in it's gone. What is so wrong with addressing that issue.
To draw a real life parallel, if people recieved tickets for speeding or parking infractions through the door and it was just a ticket saying "you are busted and we want £80" people would be annoyed even more than they would be when it said that on the 30th may you were seen parked on Portbello rd on double yellows"
It is a fundamentally understood axiom that you can reduce repeat offending quicker by sitting down the miscreant and explaining what is wrong than just punishing them which only leads to anger.
you said
probably 99%+ of the threads I've noticed get deleted, broke some rule in the opening post
yes but how do you know the post has broke a rule unless you have time to check every single thread as well as answering some to know that when they get deleted it was justice in action. once the thread has gone you cant go back and check.
Lastly, it is a common feature of most groups, organisations etc etc that ideas from the shop floor are floated up to management and acted upon if practical and economic. It would be sad if POF stagnated because people were afraid of suggesting improvements because it flouted the rules or in case someone attacked them and called them childish for questioning some aspect of the operation.
Big businesses know that to stagnate is to die in a competitive market - ok so there is no competition for pof, it is the best free dating site. but for ever?
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Posted: 7/2/2008 8:40:33 PM | no need to get personal I simply responded to a comment you made in an open public forum.
The term "conspiracy theory" was refering to your claim that a group of "witch hunters" were deleting your threads.
Unless you have any sound basis for that claim, it is a conspiracy theory.
yes but how do you know the post has broke a rule As another poster already pointied out:
by familiarizing yourself with the forum rules and posting guidelines
unless you have time to check every single thread I wasn't refering to "every single thread".
I was refering to the threads which I personally noticed that would get deleted. With most of them, there was at least one rule which I'd noticed being broken in the opening post. | |
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