| Are guns/ hunting a turn off for most women?
Posted: 10/30/2007 4:03:13 PM | | Twice again.. to keep the ecosystem in check.. and it works.. birth control shot into the animals... hello... anyone out there with a mind to acknowledge this????.. Check it on the web.... | |
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| Are guns/ hunting a turn off for most women?
Posted: 10/30/2007 4:04:04 PM | | how many people would consider it a sport if the animals were shooting back.definition of a sport is two sides or persons competing on an even playing field.and i wasn't talking about hunting humans,it's the point of lying in wait in someones house ie. the forest being the animals house.and then ambushing them. | |
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| Are guns/ hunting a turn off for most women?
Posted: 10/30/2007 4:28:59 PM | You know... I don't work now with the guy who supplied me with venison last year. And this thread is killin me! REALLY!
Who has the venison darn it!!?
I'm going to have to get my own shotgun...
Actually - that's a wonderful idea. Glad I thought of it.
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| Are guns/ hunting a turn off for most women?
Posted: 10/30/2007 4:58:18 PM | .
Funny thing is that the anti-hunting crowd seem to be among the very same ones who think that nature conservation is helping to clean the local park. Those of us who actually live out in the woods from time to time have a more educated viewpoint.
For instance, I lived in a very rural area for many years. If I wished to hunt, and can the food that I grew, I would have seldom needed much of anything from the store. Instead, I “posted” my land and made it more or less my own little park. Not because I’m against hunting, but mostly because I didn’t wish to take the time to be dressing out wild game -- I did that a lot in my younger years and do not wish to anymore. Besides, I thought the deer camping out in my front yard were kind of neat to watch, especially after they became somewhat friendly. As long as they stayed out of my garden, we got along just fine.
Point is, if I’m not going to eat it, I will not shoot it. But, that’s how I grew up. Even when fishing, I clean the fish as soon as I catch them so everything I do not use is available for all the local critters to eat. Nature recycles everything, when we allow it.
There are no real predators for deer around anymore and the population expands quite fast. Where I lived then, and some places around where I am now, many more deer are killed by cars in the summer than are shot by hunters in the fall. If they were not thinned out once a year, that would be a huge problem throughout the year. Also, in heavy snow winters there are often many more deer around than food to sustain them, so some starve to death. City people never see these parts of the problem.
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| Are guns/ hunting a turn off for most women?
Posted: 10/30/2007 5:04:44 PM | Wanna know what cracks me up?
The people I know, who claim they "will not eat anything that has eyes", yet think nothing of their leather handbags, shoes, and automobile interiors! | |
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| Are guns/ hunting a turn off for most women?
Posted: 10/30/2007 5:28:01 PM | to clarify - i apologize if it appeared i insulted all hunters. it was not prejudice, more ignorance, really.
also, i am not in the 'anti-hunting crowd' (or any crowd). my original posts here explained i am not against hunting for survival to eat and that i could understand a little more the culling practices. my main point of contradiction was a reference to the OP's words that he would have mounted on his wall a particular exceptional animal he had 'harvested'.
his original post was to see if it turned women off, and if so, i thought he would want to know why, so i told him my reasons. upon seeing in his second post here that he actually prided himself in his hunting enough to want to show it off as a trophy, that was what I felt particularly against for it seemed then he was using hunting purely as an egotistical sport then.
i also wrote that i absolutely do not deny that slaughterhouses and animal farming is the most torturous. some did not see this either.
regarding kosher meat, for those who don't know, the animal's jugular vein is cut as swiftly as possible so death is as humane as possible. and yes, it is blessed before killed, though i'm not sure if that makes any difference really in terms of humanity to the killing.
i wish to thank all who helped open my eyes to all sides of hunting that I was not aware of. and, no, i'm not a city kid either. but i have never been around hunting, nor guns and have heard and seen on documentaries such stories of cruelty to animals by hunters. it is good to hear the other sides and to be reminded how whole species are dying out from overpopulation....though the idea of birth control is amazing!
oh, regarding how you could make it more appealing, OP, to women? women like me who are more close-minded to it? i would say, explain the sensitivity of the hunter and the benefits - like some have here....and definitely stop your wishing to show off the big one when you get it....for that is the point - the hunting for sport - that seems to be the most frowned upon. change that within you and then i think more women might open up to the hunter in you with more understanding. | |
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Posted: 10/30/2007 5:34:28 PM | I actually have nfi why anyone would want to shoot animals as a past time.
Now I understand to shoot for food (Im an angler & grew up with family going rabbiting), and understand & condone the reasoning behind organised culling groups.
But to hunt & shoot animals as a hobby, even if they are pests is something I just cant get my head around.
eg. I understand if u own property & need to cull rabbits.
I see this scenario as..... problem = solution.
But...to enjoy hunting & shooting, actively do it and pick the rabbits cos thats all ur allowed to shoot...I just dont get it.
I see this scenario as..... Bloodsport <<< I dont get that.
I see shooting as a means to an end. I dont see it as something to be enjoyed regarding killing animals.
I dont see the reason to own a gun unless its needed for culling, food or unless ur in a shooting club involving decoys/targets.
We have exceptionally tight gun laws here in Australia, I wouldnt hang any prize from the wall...or be involved with a man who owned a gun unless he was in the above mentioned shooting club ...and a gun certainly wouldnt be in the house whether it was locked away or not.
Im not trying to inflame this topic, its JMO & obviously a cultural thing as well. | |
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| Are guns/ hunting a turn off for most women?
Posted: 10/30/2007 5:58:31 PM | angel_ladyd:
You know, I understand you're feelings. I think wildlife and nature are both beautiful things that should be respected and treasured.
About the part regarding mounting the head on the wall as a trophy. If you think in terms of gun versus lovely, defenseless animal - you'll be apalled at the thought of a head or antlers on the wall. But when you realize that there is a lot of skill, and patience, and knowledge, and perserverance involved in the legal methods of hunting - you'd probably see that it is indeed a trophy. And - as far as waste goes - where would the head and antlers end up if not mounted? I like venison but I'm not going to eat the head or antlers - see?
Spend a few days in the cold, waiting and waiting and waiting, trying to stay quiet, avoiding bears and still get off the perfect shot that brings a buck down. Track him and find him when he doesn't go down right away. There is skill and work involved. The deer, wild turkeys, elks, ducks, quail - whatever you're hunting - they don't just walk up and raise their arms in surrender. Sometimes hunting trips don't bring anything at all to fruition.
And if you think there is no skill involved in bow hunting, I'd suggest you try and pick up a real bow and try to shoot something accurately. You'll be lucky if you can pull the string back. I couldn't. Skill. I admit I have even more respect for bow hunting.
The ones who cut off heads and leave the bodies on the side of the interstate? They aren't hunters. They're lame jokes. But there's always going to be somebody around to ruin something that would otherwise be a respectable thing. | |
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| Are guns/ hunting a turn off for most women?
Posted: 10/30/2007 6:01:42 PM |
Twice again.. to keep the ecosystem in check.. and it works.. birth control shot into the animals... hello... anyone out there with a mind to acknowledge this????.. Check it on the web....
This would only work on a very limited and isolated area......and who would pay the massive cost of such an venture??
Do you think the Staete agencies and local retailers would foot the bill?? Especially IF it would work, it would remove millions if not billions of dollars that Sportsmen generate from liscence sales, gun sales right down to the gas and grocery outlets that thrive off of hunting in many rural area??
Would the anti-hunters foot the bill?? Absolutely not!! They're too busy tossing out ideas ....and coming up very short on the actual hands on activities. | |
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Posted: 10/30/2007 6:21:26 PM | I've been around guns my entire life. I shoot skeet and trap, and have also shot competitive pistol. I once held NRA intructor certs for rifle, shotgun, handgun, and defensive pistol. My vacation last week was to travel 1500 miles to spend 5 days walking fields in search of pheasants, which are now cleaned and tucked away in my freezer.
But am I interested in men who have a passionate interest in guns and hunting? No, not usually. It is a turn off, even for me. | |
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| Are guns/ hunting a turn off for most women?
Posted: 10/30/2007 6:23:08 PM |
So I take it a date plinking at the range followed by a medium-rare fillet mignon and a nice Petite Sirah is out of the question?
Alphageek, sounds like a great date to me! | |
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Posted: 10/30/2007 6:31:17 PM | No one ever campaigns for the rights of the poor defenseless vegetables! What about them! They may not be cuddly, but they deserve to live too!
Seriously... I'm all for minimizing the suffering of things that I eat-- but more or less everything that we consume is alive in some way (or is produced by something that is alive).
You're much better off trying to sway people towards healthier environments for the animals that we eat than you are to tell people that meat is murder.
As to animal birth control--- most people aren't willing to pay for it. I vacation yearly on Hatteras island in the Carolinas. They have a problem with feral cats. They've been trying to decide whether to give them birth control, move them, or simply kill them all. This is a very sad thing, 'cause cats are animals that we view as pets, and any choice they make will result in a very costly endeavor-- but the animals are heavily overpopulated and will suffer from starvation if nothing is done.
With animals that we eat it is different. You can have a limited group of people pay to shrink the problem without offing an entire group of animals. With animals that we eat the deaths actually MEAN something.
*throws up hands*
Hell, maybe it's just that I like food too much. I've never killed an animal-- but I like to eat meat... so it's difficult for me to understand the opposing argument. | |
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| Are guns/ hunting a turn off for most women?
Posted: 10/30/2007 6:45:50 PM | First, let me say that I am talking about those responsible folks...not the ones who have no respect for the law.....the responsible ones who are responsible gun owners and responsible hunters and sportsmen -
I don't mind guns- I actually own a few, but I am not a hunter. However, I understand the need for hunting and, as with all things in life, if done properly and with the proper respect for the animal and the laws, I do not have a problem with it.
But, I won't clean it, or cook it. You killed it, you clean it, you cook it!
Hunting is population control. Due to ever expanding construction, the deer population is being forced to live in smaller areas. If the deer population is left to die off of its own accord, residential areas will be over run with deer. The deer will die a terrible death from starvation and other disease and will also run the risk of being hit by cars and/or trucks as they roam looking for the food that is no longer available in the smaller area.
While the hunting season is limited, and the laws pretty clearly spell out what is and is not allowed, it does help to control the population. This is not an inhumane act, but rather a humane act. This applies, not only to the deer, but to other animals as well.
Our residential areas are bursting at the seams and in order to grow, we must move into the less populated "country" areas....where the deer live. We are invading their space and then get upset when they are in our back yards. They are running out of room and cannot live on top of one another. When we build new homes and shopping malls and strip malls not only do we take away their homes, but their food supply as well. This smaller area to live in also reduces the availability of food and forces the animals to survive in less space on less food. Starvation is never pretty.
Hunting helps control the population. Like it or not, it has become necessary.
I am not one to hunt, but I do understand the need for it.
And for all you hunters out there, hunting season is approaching - be safe and don't forget your orange! | |
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Posted: 10/30/2007 8:06:41 PM | very well put .Marc, i was brought up in public school, we had hunter education, we learned about how some people have to hunt to live, it can be and is an art as well.
there r laws to protect us from those that cant handle the responsibility, and to those that can, all the power to ya!!
guns dont kill people...its the trigger man....remember that! | |
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Posted: 10/30/2007 8:11:29 PM | | I enjoy shooting handguns at a shooting range. However, I am a vegetarian and I would never date a man who shot animals/went hunting/fishing, etc. I have no problem if you shoot people for a living though. | |
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| Are guns/ hunting a turn off for most women?
Posted: 10/30/2007 8:49:24 PM | allright.........enough already ,if you want to hunt..fine..........just don't tell me it's a sport! i'm pretty sure the animals are not sitting around thinking "oh yeah thats my favorite sport,getting shot by the orange team.we can never beat them.........man this is so frustrating"..........."wheres mom dad" ? "oh well sorry son mom got killed today by the orange team".........are those the same guys who killed grandpa"?..........."think so son,what a team............thier just too good for us" | |
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Posted: 10/30/2007 8:49:44 PM | I believe guns/weapons are a good thing for personal indoor protection. But as for the deer hunting and likes i believe that is cruel murder! To hunt down creatures for life preservation would be okay. But to murder animals as a sport of entertainment that is a vile sick person.
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Posted: 10/30/2007 9:37:58 PM | If they are a turn off for your woman, I'd run like the wind...
There is nothing like a good gun conversation to learn a ton about your woman.
If your woman believes that guns are bad, that they should be banned....etc... Time to find a new one. Soon she will be trampling your other rights as well...
I don't hunt animals. | |
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Posted: 10/30/2007 9:38:41 PM | Poster number 12 said it succinctly:
When a hobby, or activity ranks higher than your spouse, there's going to be a problem. Period.
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The OP came back with something along the line of "wellllllllllllllllll, SHE gets to go SHOPPING for hours on end so why can't IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII go HUNTING for weekends on end"....
Childish whining. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Git yerself a wimman that don't shop fer a hobby.
Be a man who understands the concept of "everything in moderation".
I find choosing to kill animals for fun to be a rather sadistic "hobby" in lieu of the fact that we have grocery stores for that sort of thing. Its not a "sport" to match wits with a creature that does not have even an iota of the brain power you do. Its just plain killing. You like to chase things down and kill them. I think if its the thrill of the hunt that you want, without the sadism, then go join a paintball club...or a rubber bullet club. If its the thrill of the kill you want, then get a job at a slaughterhouse. Conservationalist my foot. If that were true, you'd be active in the spaying and neutering movement at your local dog and cat shelter instead of spending a hell of a lot of money to traipse around out in the hills killing things.
OP then states that by god if he kills an especially fine animal, it WILL be mounted and hung on HIS wall. ..................(remember, this man is single)
All righty then. So much for hunting NOT being a turnoff................. | |
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Posted: 10/30/2007 9:39:49 PM | HIGH FIVE TO POST NUMBER 77!!!!
"how many people would consider it a sport if the animals were shooting back.definition of a sport is two sides or persons competing on an even playing field.and i wasn't talking about hunting humans,it's the point of lying in wait in someones house ie. the forest being the animals house.and then ambushing them."
There. Said very well. | |
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Posted: 10/30/2007 9:54:58 PM |
And if you think there is no skill involved in bow hunting, I'd suggest you try and pick up a real bow and try to shoot something accurately.
You've got that right!!!! Skill? Dear me. Someone is seriously misguided if they perceive there is no skill involved in archery whether it be target and/or hunting.
You'll be lucky if you can pull the string back. I couldn't. Skill. I admit I have even more respect for bow hunting.
45 pound is legal hunting poundage here in Idaho. I was in excellent physical shape and cross training 5 times a week with a personal trainer and I could barely pull 43 pounds. A year later, being on the range every day but Sunday, I could pull 46. Today, I'll bet I personally couldn't pull 30 even on a good day.  | |
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Posted: 10/30/2007 9:55:00 PM | I live in a rural state, in a rural area (closest large city-50,00- is 1 hr away). I'm surrounded by mountains, forests, and wildlife. I think hunting is awesome! It got the hubby gone for at least two weeks a year (more shopping for me!), we had meat without having to decide what to do without in order to buy it, and a man that is occupied with a hobby is a man that is not telling me it is time to dust the ceiling fan. I draw the line at more than 3 head mounts in the living room. Two is plenty. And remember, Safety first! | |
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Posted: 10/30/2007 10:42:08 PM | I am not afraid of guns!!!!!!! I own two Smith and Wessons for inside protection!! Re read my message # 93. But killing animals for sport is Murder!! If it were for survival to live i would hunt the creatures as well. But to do it as entertainment is Murder!!
I too wish the animals could shoot back. such as cowardly sport as well, go figure, the animal is not armed or even aware.
Janet | |
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