| What is art to you?
Posted: 6/12/2006 7:18:26 AM | Art is anything that touches me in a place that only art can....... bit simplistic but there you go..... my latest favorite find is Mark Rider.....
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| What is art to you?
Posted: 6/13/2006 6:34:49 PM | -John Constable and William Turner's oil paintings
-Gaudi's architectures
-Rembrandt's engravings
-Michael Angelo's sculptures
-Heifetz's and Paganini's Violin Concertos
-Alfred Hitchcock's movies
-Agatha Christie's detective stories | |
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| What is art to you?
Posted: 6/13/2006 9:45:07 PM | My definition of art: Art is subjective depiction of Reality by means of a number of tools an artist can use or create, its purpose being to evoke certain moods or substantiate perceptions implicitly manifested in the consciousness of the beholder. Hopefully, this definition makes sense  | |
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| What is art to you?
Posted: 6/14/2006 1:44:30 AM | art is communication- and just because something is art, doesn't mean that it's good art.
an individual's interpretation of the value of art is aesthetics. that's where all the "my three-year-old can do this!" or "picasso rules" kinda thought comes in. That is personal value, and if recognized by the cannon (critics/media/aestheticians/historians) becomes cultural value, and thus acknowledged as 'art' even if individually you think it's crap. (the coathanger thing)
criticism isn't negative, it is just discussion. what we are doing here
 Brilliant!
The great trumpeting by the majority of subjectivity, personal freedom and meaning, spontaneity, relative worth, and emotion over (even to the extent of abolition of) form, is promoted by weekend expressionists, egalitarians, well-meaning supporters of misguided idealists, and frustrated and hypocritical fame-climbers.
I've written elsewhere, and at length, on definitions of art, so I won't belabor the point here. ........ except
 to say what always needs to be said: art is emotion, but it is also craft, with its own objective parameters. Compare an artist to another in any profession:
-- a man can cut out a poisonous bite from a friend's thigh out of immediate necessity, and should be commended on any success.
But a Doctor knows, through long and knowledgeable practise, what are the particular dangers of the poison, how fast it can spread, how deadly it ultimately may be, how deep to make the cut, with what specific instrument, what prep to make before cutting, how to close it properly, how to dress it properly, how to relate to the patient a particular course of follow-up, how to monitor the process of healing, and possibly to relate how to avoid getting in this situation again.
An artist-- art-- is no different, in this respect, than that Doctor, or a mechanic, or a financial advisor, or a mother. Each calling includes an intuitive function, but also requires a certain deep understanding, born of persistence and repeated practise.
edit: One final word on "emotion", to clear up a possible confusion. Personal depth, honesty, and intensity of emotion means nothing if it's not communicated effectively to the reader/viewer/listener. That's where emotion often suffers when in conjunction with poor form. | |
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| What is art to you?
Posted: 6/14/2006 4:23:07 AM | To Rory 27
In that sense I'd say LAW is art, though a lot of people may not agree. So what is law about? Logic, reasoning, state of mind and cause of action. I believe these are the fundamental values that can interpret our right or wrong doing.
Logic - Say A claims its honesty or integrity at all times but on the other hand A has been doing something largely contradicts its statement. B ends the COMMUNICATION since B knows it's incredibly illogic.
EGA: A has created some bogus profiles that involves many roles like poet, fireman, nurse, housewife ....all trying to COMMUNICATE with the others. So at the end of the day when C thinks communicating with a female nurse aged 23 has 3 kids lives in Siberia turns out a male doctor aged 50 has 2 teens lives in Utopia. When A does this, how could A be a honest person with integrity by all means. It's just terribly illogic.
Reasoning - When A makes a wish to B, B respects it so the wish is granted. But then A is not happy with B when B is simply doing what A asks for. That ends the COMMUNICATION because B finds no reasoning at all in this case. And B is not a puppet.
eg: A breaks up with B by sending a letter clearly indicates A's decision is final. B moves on to see someone else then being attacked by A, accusing B is a cheater or player or so. Anybody sees any reasoning in this odd case? COMMUNICATION ends when A breaks up with B in the first place.
State of mind - When A has issues but somehow does not want to deal with them. Instead A is hoping B to cope with A's own issues for no reason at all. When B refuses to do so A is furious. Obviously A' state of mind is trying to control or manipulate B, that of course ends the COMMUNICATION as B knows fairly well what's going on.
eg: A has some emotional problems that A should have seek for counseling for long. B finds out and tries to help but A wouldn't allow. When B gives up, A puts all the blame on B because B does not sacrifice its life for A. So A has a very dangerous mind indeed that no COMMUNICATION can be continued if A's state of mind won't change.
Cause of action - What has made A become who A is today? Only A knows it but B doesn't. Or A thinks B knows it but still, B doesn't. B tries to understand but B's intellectual level is very limited. If A doesn't tell then B would never know. COMMUNICATION ends as it's self-explanatory.
eg: A has emotional problems may well be affected by past or recent experiences. A never had a chance to talk it over with B before the relationship ended. Most importantly, A was the one who decided to walk away, not B in this case. B did not bother to work it out because B knows by heart there's no way out if A doesn't want to. Emotional problem is the cause, break up is the action. COMMUNICATION ends naturally.
So basically communication and law are forms of Art as well. I believe you've made your points and I've made mine. Well done. | |
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| What is art to you?
Posted: 6/14/2006 5:23:21 PM | An artist-- art-- is no different, in this respect, than that Doctor, or a mechanic,
No disrespect intended sir, the mechanic??Would he not be considered an Artisan,,and toying with that Idea only. Would not the artist's not be working on Space Flight? | |
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| What is art to you?
Posted: 6/14/2006 6:15:59 PM | solitude, -- law? You'd make a great psychologist or psychotherapist. I enjoyed your examples.
fireaux, I was only drawing a parallel between art and other endeavors in that they all require practise, and a persistent desire to improve techniques/attitudes, to become more proficient. | |
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| What is art to you?
Posted: 6/14/2006 8:33:40 PM | Thank you Rory.
To me ,Art is an idea that is embraced by others | |
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| What is art to you?
Posted: 6/14/2006 9:40:46 PM | Art is the writer that cuts his arm
And covers a page with life’s blood
To transfuse the human condition
Art is the painter that gouges out her eyes
And draws them across a blank canvas
For the blind to see
Art is the musician that amputates his fingers
to play the keys and strum the strings
For the deaf to hear
Art is the actor that bends at the waist
till her brow scrapes the stage
for a critics grace
Art is the sacrifice of self
That compels the onlooker
To feel | |
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| What is art to you?
Posted: 6/15/2006 5:09:51 AM | | art and other endeavors in that they all require practise, and a persistent desire to improve techniques/attitudes, to become more proficient. I agree with you again,,Its just well do other endevers sieze being art? | |
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| What is art to you?
Posted: 6/15/2006 8:23:26 AM | I think the word "art" has become as overused as the word "love".
For me there is a difference between creativity and the proficiency of someone that hones a craft. The surgeon who performs in an operating room may be gifted and on a stage of sorts but, I wouldn't technically call it art... it's learned techniques from years of study and practise, not divine inspiration. Now if that surgeon is Dr. Barnard who performed the first heart transplant...that is visionary and he was an artist.
The tile layer whose work makes us ooh and ahh when we walk into an architectural wonder is a craftsman but once again, it was the architect's vision, the tile layer contributed with his expertise but it wasn't his inspiration.
Even a violinist that plays a piece by Mozart is the interpreter of the original artist, but I wouldn't call the violinist an artist until he composes his own music. In my humble opionion the playwrite is the artist and the actor the medium like paint to Picasso.
I stand in awe of art as the original thought. I appreciate the talent, hard work and achievement of the craftsman. | |
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| What is art to you?
Posted: 6/15/2006 9:01:17 PM | | Art is a visual moment when shades of life flick into a new arrangement that touches my heart, my soul, engulfing my mind and if I’m lucky, causes water to leak from my eyes. | |
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| What is art to you?
Posted: 6/15/2006 10:51:07 PM | To LOOKDEEPER
Your choice of quotes in your profile pulled at me from beginning to end. Your discription of art: Textbook!!
Thanks for the read.
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| What is art to you?
Posted: 6/16/2006 5:05:00 AM | Originality / creativity as a measure of artistic merit is a Western concept- in many world cultures tradition and technique is stressed - the mastering of precision, be it at the level of aesthetic precision (think classical Japan, Tea ceremony) or - am searching for correct term- 'magical' precision (think art that is made for a specific religious purpose, where a mistake in the creation negates the intended effect, like Tibetan Thankgas or Mandalas).
so, in a global view, both the mechanic and the surgeon can be artists as well as the painter and poet.
it's a mixture of skill, intuition and creativity (because while all *machines* may be the same in the instance of the mechanic, the *circumstances* of the machines will not be- the mechanic as artist must intuit the cause.... Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintence comes to mind.) The Art of War. The Art of Tea. The Art of Almost-Anything..... it's that mixture, and even untrained, 'outsider' artists (like Finster, Wolfi etc.) have it- you don't have to be 'trained' to be an artist by any means- skill does not mean formal instruction, it can also refer to a self-developed talent...
So, an additional question for the table- What is creative/ creativity? | |
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| What is art to you?
Posted: 6/16/2006 7:50:16 AM | Hello Wrye:
I completely respect what you have written and I agree, if the mechanic comes up with a solution to a "circumstance" that has never been thought of before...he is an artist. I was simply explaining that for me, there is a difference between art and craft, an artist and a craftsman, and the difference being originality...the creation of something that has previously not existed is an art.
Kind of like the Master and the Student. The Master is the originator, the student learns. One day, the student supercedes and delights the Master with an original thought and becomes a Master in his own right. Hope that makes sense. And that's what is so wonderful about art...it is something different to each beholder. There is no right or wrong answer but I am certainly enjoying this thread so thanks for the origin Cleo!
Hello Rob:
Glad you enjoyed the quotes. Obviously I was not the artist lol! Can't seem to come up with an original thought....working on it though! | |
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| What is art to you?
Posted: 6/16/2006 6:13:48 PM | | That's the age old question: What came first--The tool or the art. It's like asking if the yin came before the yang......Sorry, just a little puffed....Art is anything that makes you think or moves you in any way. Any medium that you put your heart into and make someone else appreciate, is an artists medium. I can definately appreciate some carpenter's work. | |
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| What is art to you?
Posted: 6/16/2006 6:29:21 PM | | art is everything that reaches your senses,what you see is beautiful ,what you hear is good,what you taste is awesome,thats art. | |
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| What is art to you?
Posted: 6/17/2006 8:30:51 AM | Stonestongue:
The question was "What is art to you"? So no need to get puffed. What I wrote is just what it means to me (not intended to insult or demean or interpret for anyone else...just me). My opinion on the subject is my own and, we all have one. It's not a question with a right or wrong answer. | |
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| What is art to you?
Posted: 6/17/2006 9:33:08 AM | Sorry, lookdeeper....I meant puffed as in baked!! Haha! I totally like your posts! I was just adding my own 2 cents. I agree with you I believe....We just say it differently
I stand in awe of art as the original thought. I appreciate the talent, hard work and achievement of the craftsman.
To me that statement is art. The time it took and the thought you put into that statement is the art expressing itself through you and I guess POF would be the medium. Sorry about the Puffed thing again......I should stop making up my own terms for things!  | |
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| What is art to you?
Posted: 6/18/2006 4:06:44 AM | hellos lookdeeper:
you are exactly right- and when it comes down to it, there is no 'absolute' definition of art. there is each individuals definition/expression/experience and then the agreed-upon cultural definition, which is in constant flux and challenge...
just that we live in the culture of the new.
my question about creativity- what *is* creativity? individual interpretation of a concept? this is something i am struggling with personally, so any observations are helpful x 10.
is there really anything 'new under the sun'? | |
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| What is art to you?
Posted: 6/18/2006 10:58:45 PM | Hi Wrye
Hmmm "new under the sun". That's a tough one...it does seem as though everything has already been done and now the best we can come up with is our own interpretation. Movie re-makes recurring themes in books and songs...the same thing just with a twist. Painters have explored every human condition, every sunset, every animal. There are only so many notes, so many words...have they been strung together in the same fashion before?
How many times does an inventor believe they have a completely unique idea, only to discover there is already a patent pending somewhere else in the world.
The only example I can truly think of as completely creative is the creation and birth of a new being. Completely unique with fingerprints and DNA that identify only them (lets ignore test-tube and cloning for now).
If an artist sits with a blank canvas by the side of a mountain, have a hundred artists sat in that spot before him and painted that same mountain?
This is a hugely philosophical question I am sure will spark debate but I'm not sure there are any answers. How in this wide world would you ever know if something you believe only you've ever thought of has never been done before. With tools like the internet at our disposal you may not even realize you've seen it before. Subliminal interjection. Is it still your idea?
Perhaps it's better not to struggle with the definition because like art...there are no answers. If you feel creative, and it gives you joy...maybe that's enough! | |
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| What is art to you?
Posted: 6/19/2006 7:37:44 AM | (lets ignore test-tube and cloning for now).
So if you take the test tubes and spaceship and hurtled them at another planet with the basic instructions of life,,??would this have allready been done,,I think I would name the ship SISENEG,Maybe backward thought is all part of all art. | |
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| What is art to you?
Posted: 6/19/2006 9:46:43 AM | | Maybe. Unfortunately, I'm not privy to what NASA, the Russians, the Chinese, the Koreans, the Swiss, the Germans or the radical Canadians are secretly experimenting with to know if it would be original or not! | |
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| What is art to you?
Posted: 6/19/2006 7:53:21 PM | | Being a professional artist, and an art teacher, I have seen many opinions about what art is to them. This is a subject that has transcended the ages and is constantly changing and evolving. Often it is dependent on the culture. For example, In western society an object that appears perfect or balanced is thought to be beautiful while the eastern philosophy takes the stance that if there is imperfection, on the artist's part, the object is special and more beautiful. It is largely a matter of objectivity and opinion based on personal experiences. | |
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| What is art to you?
Posted: 6/19/2006 8:26:42 PM | Mainly I use oil on canvass. To me, real art is that medium. From DaVinci through to Robert Taylor. All this contempory art is nonsence. It doesn't inspire thought, except that I have more artistic flair on the sole of my shoe.
To my fellow artist with the above quote, art is more than just the media. And it's inapproriate to say just "DaVinci". You should say the entire name when referring to Leonardo DaVinci. Many of these masters worked in other media besides oil. I, myself. prefer acrylic but work in oil for portraiture. As for contemporary work being nonsense, I think you need to go back to school and re-examine art history. Even some of the greats such as J. A. M. Whistler were ostracized for their art during their lifetimes. In his case it was "Nocturne in Black".
Today's contemporary art, meaning the work being done by artists in our lifetime, has a wide range from contemporary realism to expressionism which, i'm guessing, is what you have difficulty in comprehending. Oftentimes, in expressive work, it is meant to not just be a work of art to hang on your wall to look pretty. Actually the artist is attempting to evoke an idea through symbolism or through the use of color. When I was in college my painting instructor, Mary McCleary, gave me this piece of advice and i follow it. " You are not living 100 years ago. Artists such as Charles Russell and Frederick Remington painted those things that were familiar to them and were a part of their lives, you should do the same." At that time I really liked to do historical type art and her words made a great impression on me. I changed to doing art that is termed contemporary realism and I also do a lot of expressive work. The expressive work frees you up and allows you to become more expressive with your color, brushstrokes and even helps on creating good compositional designs, even if what you are doing is realistic. Mary McCleary, my old painting instructor is now an internationally renowned artist and sells her work for the tens-of -thousands of dollars. Art, you see, for the artist is also a major business so don't knock what you don't understand. | |
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