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 scorpiomover

Joined: 4/19/2007
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Is Freedom of Religion in danger From ENDA?
Posted: 8/17/2009 1:19:45 PM
RE Msg: 4 by codec:

My personal view on freedom of religion is that anyone is free to have what spiritual views they wish, and not be persecuted for it. However, once those views impinge on the freedom of others to have differing opinions, the rights stop.
Then their rights stop! Name ONE religion that does not say everyone ELSE must believe it too. Islam is VERY specific. Non believers must convert or die. Period.
Judaism.

Religion needs to be ridiculed in the same way you would ridicule the fat old women who trek to Graceland every year to talk about how Elvis saved them.
Then you believe in converting others to your beliefs or their beliefs die by ridicule, by humiliating them, and reducing their self-respect to the point at which they are regarded as pieces of sh*t, until they have no self-esteem and can be persuaded to do whatever you want. By your own rules, YOUR rights should STOP, and YOU should be ridiculed in the same way you would ridicule the fat old women who trek to Graceland every year to talk about how Elvis saved them.

RE Msg: 11 by codec:
That just ISN'T TRUE! Danish cartoons; Muslims protest in Nathan Phillips Square with placards screaming "behead those who satire islam". NO news organization will SHOW the cartoons in question. Are any of them charged with hate speech? NO! Could I get in trouble under Canada's hate speech laws? YES I MIGHT!
Sandy Toksvig, a well-known Dane who has a degree in Muslim law, mentioned that the actual cartoons being complained about, WERE NEVER PRINTED! That's right. It was all a storm in a teacup. Who manufactured it? Well, who got the most out of it? Consider how much revenue the media gained by the huge amount of extra coverage they got for that. Tens of millions at the least. So, who do you REALLY think manufactured the issue to come about?

Our head of state (the Queen) is also the head of the church of england, to which every Canadian taxpayer pays a tithe, whether they want to or not.
I have no idea what you are talking about, because the Queen is the Queen of the United Kingdom, and here, her role is purely titular, and she only gets money from the taxpayer in what the government considers is valuable to the country in terms of increased tourism, diplomacy, and that it increases support of the people in the ruling government. Why on Earth are you claiming that the Queen has MORE power in your country than in her own? If that is really true, then seeing as she has almost no power at all in her own country, why are you giving her power voluntarily?

Atheists are the MOST discriminated against, and we are in NO WAY "free from religion"
In what planet? Are you discriminated like blacks? Do you get arrested 10 times a day?
Do you suffer anti-Semitism like Jews? Do the gravestones of atheists regularly get covered with Swastikas? Do tens of atheists get beaten up every year, and some stabbed to death, just for being atheists? Is the problem so large, that non-Jews have set up an organisation to deal with the problems of anti-Atheism?

Seriously, in what ways are you discriminated against?

The ONLY way that you MIGHT be discriminated against, is that many Christian women won't date an atheist. But they won't date a Jew either. So you're not being discriminated against. EVERYONE who isn't a Christian is being discriminated against, but only because you don't have their lifestyle. Would you date a junkie? Would you date a stripper? If you don't date them, then who exactly is the one being unfair?

RE Msg: 25 by codec:
Idiotic terms like "islamophobia" are now in common use, as if criticizing the backward ignorant violent ideologies of the 7th century somehow entitles multiculturalists to diagnose and label people with a clinical condition.
That's because you sound like Nick Griffin, the head of the BNP.

I really should check the forums more often, I know it's old, but it needed a response.
I wasn't going to post this post. But once I saw this last post, I could see that it needed a response.

You are part of the problem. Your arguments give militant nutcases on both sides to keep killing. If you want an end to killing, then you need to do a U-turn on your attitude.

There is no "US and THEM". There is only US, because these people you are talking about, are part of humanity. You cannot get rid of them. You can only get rid of yourself, or incite them to get rid of your loved one.
 codec

Joined: 2/12/2007
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Posted: 8/21/2009 8:53:03 PM
FIRST: I resent the implication that I am somehow a "racist" because I speak out against Islam and the ignorant violent ideology. BNP is a RACIST party. Here in the real world, we have mapped the human genome and found that race is just something us semi-evolved simians made up. Just like God. All the "belief" in race won't make it valid.

I have NEVER endorsed "getting rid" of muslims. That is YOUR ignorant conclusion. Your belief about Judaism is just not true. They OUTGREW their ignorant belief that women are worth 1/16th of a man and all the other Yahweh-endorsed violence. The religon itself DOES say everyone else must believe they are "chosen". Gone are the days where (most) jewish males wake up every day and pray to thank Yahweh for not being born a goyem or a woman.

YOU were the one who concluded I am saying us and them. RACE has nothing to do with it. I'll dumb it down for you. Pay attention:

Some values are good.
Some values are evil.
Not everybody who thinks or says their ideology is good, are truly good.
Most people with evil ideologies actually think they are doing good.
If you want to be more gooder, learn the difference, and stop making excuses for evil people and their evil ideas.
Any questions?

PS - I'll thank you to actually READ what I say and refrain from calling me a racist or implying I am a BNP sympathizer
 scorpiomover

Joined: 4/19/2007
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Posted: 8/30/2009 4:58:46 AM
RE Msg: 27 by codec:
FIRST: I resent the implication that I am somehow a "racist" because I speak out against Islam and the ignorant violent ideology. BNP is a RACIST party.
Resent it all you want. Many members of the BNP would resent being called Neo-Nazis, and would resent being called racists. That doesn't make it false. It just means they've resent being shown up, as would anyone.

Here in the real world, we have mapped the human genome and found that race is just something us semi-evolved simians made up. Just like God. All the "belief" in race won't make it valid.
Yet, over 1000 years ago, everyone knew exactly the same, and yet you STILL get people arguing the same thing. The idea that race and racism is a false stereotype that can be removed by the Human Genome Project is a false stereotype. All the "belief" in the power of science won't make it valid.

Your belief about Judaism is just not true. They OUTGREW their ignorant belief that women are worth 1/16th of a man and all the other Yahweh-endorsed violence.
WRONG. You clearly know nothing about Judaism, because Judaism says the complete opposite about women. Clearly, you are basing ALL your ideas on made-up lies told to you. You're inciting racial hatred, right here.

The religon itself DOES say everyone else must believe they are "chosen".
I can see that you've never read the Bible, but a translation into a German hybrid of a translation into a Romance language of a translation into a Greek language of a text written in a Semitic language. Can you say Chinese Whispers?

You're inciting racial hatred again, right here

Gone are the days where (most) jewish males wake up every day and pray to thank Yahweh for not being born a goyem or a woman.
WRONG.

Not everybody who thinks or says their ideology is good, are truly good.
Most people with evil ideologies actually think they are doing good.
Yes, and you've shown me that you are one of them.

If you want to be more gooder, learn the difference, and stop making excuses for evil people and their evil ideas.
Any questions?
Yes. Why are you claiming that your values and ideology are good, when they are clearly the reverse?

PS - I'll thank you to actually READ what I say and refrain from calling me a racist or implying I am a BNP sympathizer
When you actually start saying anything that doesn't read like a fairytale, and a stereotype designed to incite racial hatred, I'll do that.
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