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| Imagin a world without white supremacy
Posted: 11/14/2007 5:42:41 PM | The whole "white supremacy" thing has always baffled me... anyone who is even REMOTELY educated will know that skin colour has nothing to do with brains, brawn, creativity, spirituality, morality...or any other human characteristic. Every continent on this planet has contributed to the knowledge and evolution of our species. There are 3 main ethnological groups on this planet...Caucasians (which include Europeans, Mediterraneans, Semitic (Middle Eastern), Berbers and Indian peoples. Mongoloid, which include Chinese, Japanese, Inuit, North American and South American Aboriginals, and Mongols..also South Asians and Polynesians. Negroid, which include Africans, Bushmen (a subgroup of their own) Pygmies and Australian Aborigines. In the 6,000 years (or more) of written history these peoples have migrated, invaded...traded and interbred with each other (we can assume they did so before written history also) All cultures have had slavery... at some point in history. In the Ancient World the main "top cultures" were China(sort of all the way through the ages), Egypt, and Mesopotamia (Iraq/Persia etc..) and then Greek, Roman and some kingdoms in Africa...the Nubians, are one, for example...who had a great civilization and traded with Egypt. Then it was the Moors (again African/Arab) and the Mongol Hordes and the Huns (Who almost conquered Europe) The Arabs were master mathematicians, astronomers and physicians... the Chinese and Mongols, along with the Arabs had trade routes that were astounding to the fledgling Europeans. Read the journals of Marco Polo sometime. The Queen of Sheba, spoken of in the Bible was African.
Things only began to change with the fall of the Roman Empire to the BARBARIANS from Europe (Mostly Germanic and Celtic tribes being forced from their lands by the Huns) and with the spread of the Catholic religion.
The world was a real mess for quite a long time because of that.... it really wasn't until the works of Plato, Aristotle and other Greek philosophers, writers and scientists was rediscovered that "civilization" again came to the western world in the Renaissance (thank the powers that be for the Irish Monks - they saved much of the old writings of the Greek Classics)...and it wasn't until then that the Europeans began to become technologically superior.
So "White Supremacy" in the form of "European Supremacy" (which from white racists I have found seems to imply Nordic, Celtic, Germanic or Anglo-Saxon supremacy) really only dates from the 1400's.
Big whoopin' deal... The Mesopotamians had a civilization that lasted over 3500 years (the place where Iraq is now) ours has been around for something like 700 to 800 years... from the Renaissance to now. The Chinese have had a civilization that is closer to 5000 years old. The Egyptians were about a 4000 year old civilization before being overtaken by the Moors. (Okay Rome got them first)
My point is there is no basis for white Anglo-Saxon superiority... we've just been the ones on top for the past few hundred years...but look at history...civilizations come and go.. as will ours one day to be replaced by something else.. Honestly...the Chinese are the real long termers if you look at it. If you go on the basis of trading savvy, economics, and longevity I would have to give the Chinese the title of superior...if only by their tenacity to survive intact the changes of the world throughout written history.
Slavery however still exists... only now it in the the form of indentured servitude in Southeast Asia and some parts of the Indian Subcontinent...AND in the form of sexual slavery around the world... hundreds of thousands of children and women are sold throughout the world, primarily from Eastern Slavic States and Turkey to countries all over the world for prostitution. Yes...even in the US and Canada. This is a global problem.
I agree that some forms of "favoritism" are still required to balance the scales, in employment and education in North America. However I am also of the mind that there must be aptitude on the part of the person receiving such. There is a trend lately, especially in education to lower the standards of all to make up for the lack in some. This is unacceptable...what needs to be done is to raise the bar and give the assistance to bring the students and workers up...not everyone else down. That's just stupid.
Reparations? no. Not to those who have been here for generations... equal opportunity, yes. Also Political Correctness must be applied across the board, and NEVER interfere with the freedom of speech that democracy stands for. The only real solution is to raise our children to know that ALL men (and women) are created equal (doesn't this little gem come from the Constitution?) hmmm.....? And stand up for this truth when we can. Things are changing... it's a slow road but it is inevitable that racism will die out eventually. If not by moral evolution then by genetic almagamation...we may all be as pretty as Halle Berry in a few hundred years!
Personal Liberty must go hand in hand with Personal Responsibility. This will only be possible once we solve the issue of poverty...which minorities experience on a greater scale. Now, why is that? When we can answer that question.. then we will be able to tackle racism successfully. It isn't about laziness... that's just a cop-out. I've worked with nearly every ethnic group... laziness is a personal, not a racial trait. I don't have the answers but I have the optimism that we as a species can outgrow this ugly mark on our world. Demographics change...that's the only thing in this life we can count on...change. Adapt, or become extinct. Also the minorities themselves must also take part...we teach people how to treat us, by our own self-respect and assurance that we are as equal as another.
As to real racism... I have never met a racist who had good self-esteem, or who took complete responsibility for his/her own life, or was remotely intelligent. Racism is a scapegoat to deflect one's own inadequecies. It's a way to make oneself feel better about oneself by putting others down and standing on them to appear bigger. Not a pretty trait in humans. Kind of like a dog pissin' all over the yard, really.
One last tidbit... Jesus (IF he really existed as a single person) was a Hebrew..SEMITIC, doesn't matter what colour his hair was, he was directly related to a Judean King (David)..a HEBREW, SEMITIC...whose ancestors (Abraham) came out of MESOPOTAMIA (ya, where IRAQ is) sheesh, I wish people would do some bleedin' research before making statements out of their arse.
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| Imagin a world without white supremacy
Posted: 11/14/2007 5:58:54 PM | action jax . I googled redneck shitbird. This is what I found.
Redneck
The term for southerners came about because most who work in the fields wear clothing that provides a loose and open neck. With the skin exposed to the sun's rays day after day, the neck area came to get a dark brownish-red color. Because the American South has been, and continues to be, more agricultural than the North, the term has come to be associated with southerners.
Shitbird is a term for a stupid person (shit for crap and bird meaning a person).
Redneck shitbird describes me.HAHA. I actually googled it.(making me stupid) and I am a southerner who use to work in the tobacco fields.
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| Imagin a world without white supremacy
Posted: 11/14/2007 6:47:33 PM | Every agricultural society on the planet has used slavery. Every society evolving to industrial development has ended slavery.
OK, I looked up black and white in a dictionary. Now what, OP?
Black women are wearing hair extensions. OK, what is your point?
Why would I feel entitled to reparations for things done to my ancestors? What have they to do with me?
Why would I be to blame for non-whites feeling inferior. Seems to me that is their self-limiting behavior. If I go to Japan, I will not be treated as one of them. This I understand and accept. It doesn't mean I should feel inferior nor entitled to acceptance into the inner circle.
I've noticed clannish behavior and feelings of superiority in every ethnic group so why are whites being bashed here? Ethnocentric thinking is the right/wrong thinking level of development so susceptible to warring behavior. When we see all people as basically the same, then we can see love a beauty in all people.
Your thread subject is insulting. It should read "Imagine a world without ethnocentric people". | |
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| Imagin a world without white supremacy
Posted: 11/15/2007 6:46:47 AM | Ravenstar66:
Racism is born of knowledge and observation of other races, not through ignorance. No one is born racist, they become that way living amongst minorities and seeing all the crime they cause, free handouts they get, and how little they contribute to society. They're home collecting their welfare cheques while white people go to work so we can pay for them to sit on their lazy asses all day. | |
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| Imagin a world without white supremacy
Posted: 11/15/2007 10:25:12 AM | Heh, the one living up to their label, jax, would be you.
You actually started out with something worthwhile, and then you lower yourself again. But then again, you also don't know what communism is. Shit happens.
Racism, btw, isn't born from seeing other races and observing them. It was born of British Colonial policy, and the moniker was relegated to a label defining a person that prejudges based on race.
You also don't need to be aware of other peoples for treating them as inferior, you just need to grow up believing that you're better.
I like the marine corps. line; "I don't care what you are, (insert racial slurs here); here, you are all equally worthless".
A person is as good as they are useful - as cold as that sounds, although I'm also speaking from a business perspective; when it comes to friends you're as useful as your mindset is similar. Race doesn't play into that kind of thing, no matter what world you come from; That's the realm of ability and drive.
So, regarding who has a head full of shit, I'm going to have to say that it isn't me; I'm smart enough to know that a person's genetic past doesn't define their value (at least to me); their performance in the present does. | |
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| Imagin a world without white supremacy
Posted: 11/15/2007 10:38:26 AM | | Re; OP You state"I am not antwhite but I do oppose the philosophy that some people are superior to others because they are the master race and I feel all people should be against this and put theirselves in the other shoes. This has an effect on poor Euopeans too as they sit quietly thinking that they are ok because they belong to the master race and some of them are in a worst situtation than people all over the world when you compare the resources that this country controls." What master race do the Europeans belong to...? The white master race? Don't forget the Nazis were white too.And we all know what they did. | |
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| Imagin a world without white supremacy
Posted: 11/15/2007 2:21:44 PM |
Heh, the one living up to their label, jax, would be you.
Actually, I think the only one living up the label of being stupid is you and yes your head is full of shit from what I and others on here can see. You should seriously stop speaking as you are only making yourself look more stupid with each post.
You actually started out with something worthwhile, and then you lower yourself again. But then again, you also don't know what communism is. Shit happens.
I know what a commie is though, you are one of the little shits. Do you wear a bandanna over your face too like those little cowards do when they protest? You've been brainwashed by the PC crowd for too long Nate and are unable to think for yourself. You're just a minority ass licker 
Racism, btw, isn't born from seeing other races and observing them. It was born of British Colonial policy, and the moniker was relegated to a label defining a person that prejudges based on race.
What? Of course racism is born from knowledge and observing other races, just because you can't accept the truth is your problem. Maybe you should take walk up Jane/Finch late at night or anytime and see how you get treated. What fantasy world are you living in bud? Do you not see the real world around you?
You also don't need to be aware of other peoples for treating them as inferior, you just need to grow up believing that you're better.
Of course the white race is better. We all had the same chances to progress from the beginning of time and whites flourished way better than anyone else even with being a minority in the world...9 % of the earth's population.
I like the marine corps. line; "I don't care what you are, (insert racial slurs here); here, you are all equally worthless".
Some are obviously more worthless than others though.
Oh I see you are letting the Marine Corps think for you now also. Dude, can you think for yourself maybe just once instead of being a puppet on a string all the time? Does your mom still tie your shoes for you?
A person is as good as they are useful - as cold as that sounds, although I'm also speaking from a business perspective; when it comes to friends you're as useful as your mindset is similar. Race doesn't play into that kind of thing, no matter what world you come from; That's the realm of ability and drive.
Race plays into everything get used to it and get your head out of your ass.
So, regarding who has a head full of shit, I'm going to have to say that it isn't me; I'm smart enough to know that a person's genetic past doesn't define their value (at least to me); their performance in the present does.
Ummm wrong again, you're the with the head full of shit, and you obviously aren't smart if you think all races are equal. Actions speak louder than words and the white race and proven to be superior through our glorious accomplishments since the beginning of time.
NateC I hope you never decide to have children because its liberals like you that will probably sell your own children's future out to minorities. But what can one expect, egalitarians like you never seem to wake up from their sleep no matter how much evidence you show them. Ok you can now go back to you self flagellation. You need  bud. | |
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| Imagin a world without white supremacy
Posted: 11/15/2007 3:59:20 PM | I'm half native canadian and wouldn't call it white supremacy but there is such a thing as white privelege. It's stuff most white people don't see so they just don't notice it. Simple stuff like going to the drug store and a community whose population is 50/50 white/black and finding three products out of 100s that cater to black people who require different types of hair products.
It's like the impressions someone might get from a man with long hair. My impression of a person with a long hair differs a lot from someone who is from a predominately white society with lack of exposure to native culture.
Living in a predominantly white culture, I am bi-cultural. I act a bit differently around white people than I do other natives because I'm aware of their perceptions. They quite often just don't have the perspective to realize they even have these perceptions and how much they differ.
It is not just blacks, natives etc. that have to deal with this though. Whites do it to whites too.
A white person does not have to place themselves in my shoes. They just need to be aware of how their perspective differs and respect my differences for us all to get along better. | |
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Posted: 11/15/2007 4:42:43 PM | | Has anyone ever noticed how minorities and minority ass kissers say the minorities cant advance because the white people in power wont provide better conditions. Why cant they provide for themselves. When they make this false claim, they are only admitting they look for the white man to take care of them. Black people complain about the high number of blacks in prison, but every time I see the news, its mostly black people committing the crimes. They claim the white man will not help the black community. Every child is offered a free high school education, with free transportation. More black children drop out of high school. For the black people that do graduate, there are assistance programs for minorities to go to college. So they are given a free college education. But they choose to be lazy and not take advantage of these opportunities. And on my job. Now this is bullshit. There was a black man that got in trouble several times for physically abusing the patients. The people in charge wanted him away from the patients, so, a position was invented for him. This invented position has better working hours( no evening, nights, weekends, or holidays.) I know a black women that has been transfered 3 times because she is lazy., and each unit nwanted to getrid of her without having to fire her.Its dangerous to fire a black person because that would be considered racism. I see black people being helped by the white people but they are abusing this help, and then denying this help exist. | |
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Posted: 11/16/2007 3:17:41 AM | LBP:
White privilege my ass. Everything whites have we earned through hard work. We don't look for free handouts likes natives and blacks through affirmative action. Must be nice to be indian and not have to pay tax on anything or fish and hunt without quotas whereas white fishermen have quotas. Go back to your teepee and smoke a pipe. | |
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| Imagin a world without white supremacy
Posted: 11/16/2007 4:46:40 AM | Arieann, not all blacks are like that; it's like saying all of us yids cheap, speak yiddish and want to rule the world.
Although I do also disagree with the handouts, because that is a form of a racism in itself, and it's also self-defeating because it creates a sense of entitlement. It's just inethical, period.
Affirmative action just doesn't work because it enforces a quota of race mixture as opposed to allowing you to choose the candidate with the best resumé and interview. And it's a quota I'll ignore. I'll hire the East Indian or black kid over the white one - and at the same per-hour rate - so long as they have better social or phenominally better tech skills (in the computer industry, social skills matter a wee bit more...). If you speak English very poorly, I can't hire you.
White privilege, at least as I've always seen it, is the "Good Ol' Boys' Club" type attitude, which I also disagree with as being white-exclusive because it exists in every race, creed and culture - native cultures included; being a social outcast transcends racial and cultural borders - been there, done that, got the t-shirt.
And chicken hawk, everything anyone has ever had that was earned was done through hard work, but a lot of entitlement attitude exists in the upper echelons because of old money, but that's a subject for another thread. | |
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| Imagin a world without white supremacy
Posted: 11/16/2007 5:15:34 AM | Chicken hawks, are you braindead?
Unlike the blacks who were brought to a better place(under terrible circumstances, yes), and eventually allowed to flourish...
We pretty much wiped the Native American population/culture from the country. If you can't see that we honestly do owe THEM something(and still do as long as we confine them to reservations)... you're pretty sad. | |
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Posted: 11/16/2007 2:32:53 PM | | Natec, I know all black people are not like that,just like I know not all white people are hard workers.But as a whole, thats how they are. I really wish I qualified for free daycare for my daughter and tuition to go back to school, but I am white.That disqualifies me.I am so motivated, but I must wait until my daughter is older. For now, I must work full time and part time to make it. But I have pride in what I have accomplished. I earned everything I have. I have noticed the single black women I work with have money to get their hair done every few weeks, always have nice jewlery,and nice designer cloths. We make about the same amount of money.They always have money to do anything they want to. The single white women dress like I do. But then us white women pay for our needs. Blacks receive public assistance, to be able to afford all these things. If you were in southern USA, you would see what really goes on.Like I said before, we need more what white civil rights leaders to equal everything out. Al Sharpton is the supremist. And one more thing, what is a yid? | |
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| Imagin a world without white supremacy
Posted: 11/16/2007 3:11:27 PM | yid is a durogatory/slang term for a European jew, iirc. It's okay for us to say it, though ;)
But it's nothing close to the term "nigga"; if someone not of semitic origin said "yid", we wouldn't exactly crap a brick and call the Anti-Defamation League.
btw, that's the first time I've seen Al Sharpton's name in a loooooong, time. I remember In Living Colour went so far as to pretty much gouge him and Louis Farrakhan. Farrakhan doesn't really bother me, though, ass it seems he's mellowed with age. Sharpton's clown shoes, though, and the fact that he is or was a reverend makes him all the more disgusting.
The only thing worse than someone that is genuinely racist is an intelligent person waving the flag.
I once watched a documentary on anti-semitism (it was about the WTC and how people were claiming no Jews had died - a lot of them were black, interestingly enough, but some Christian white supremacist groups were also spewing it), and they briefly interviewed this guy who was a leader of a white supremacy group, and it looked to me that the guy was a closet "normal" guy.
I personally think that the more intelligent leaders of racist groups - regardless of reed and colour - don't actually believe in the rhetoric, they just want the position of leadership and have chosen to sell out a little to get it. | |
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Posted: 11/16/2007 3:54:24 PM | | You really havenot heard Al Sharptons name in a long time. I hear is name every day. Just a few minutes ago, I was hearing about him protesting the jena six being charged and about a large protest some where concerning black civil rights.(black power is what he wants) | |
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Posted: 11/16/2007 4:29:22 PM | | Oh, I'm well aware of what he wants, and the fact that he uses religion to spread his ideas is...fvcking awful, really. What prevents his teachings from spreading too far is the fact that he's ignorant human refuse. ANyone with a high school education can see him for what he is. | |
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| Imagin a world without white supremacy
Posted: 11/18/2007 1:00:37 PM | crazy world... just finished reading up on this post, and it is too big of a subject. I agree to all points, except for the reparations for slave- decended American blacks. All of us are, and will be for future generations, the building blocks of our respective societies and nations.( America and Canada). How our ancestors got here , whether it was the Mayflower, slave ship, or steamer ship from Europe, or even if we were here all ready( Native Peoples) doesn't matter. All of our recent ancestors have contributed to this nation, and its' making , as we all know it . America is the land of opportunity. How each of us learns about these opportunities, and utililizes them, is up to each one of us. Instead of bashing each other , because of race, religion, age etc, etc, etc,........we should be helping and encouraging each other for a quality, meaningful , fullfilling,purposeful life here. We are all one, in essence and spirit. ps. - it don't matter, but for entertainment, my ancestors came here, forced here actually due to a terrible crime, back in the old country | |
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| Imagin a world without white supremacy
Posted: 11/18/2007 9:57:51 PM |
You really havenot heard Al Sharptons name in a long time. I hear is name every day. Just a few minutes ago, I was hearing about him protesting the jena six being charged and about a large protest some where concerning black civil rights.(black power is what he wants) I think he is probably much more interested in Al Sharpton Power than Black Power. He uses Black people to his own advantage, but seems to have a particular hatred of Jews. His Crown Heights Kristallnacht was was one of the more bigoted and disgusting episodes in recent American History. | |
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| Imagin a world without white supremacy
Posted: 11/19/2007 4:41:02 AM | | I'm not really interested in Sharpton or Farrakhan. They're both a bunch of shitheels, imo; just the latter is far more intelligent than the former. Antisemitism is something that I ignore the cry of. When my fellow jews cry "antisemite", I think of the little boy crying wolf because of how often we've abuse our position. | |
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| Imagin a world without white supremacy
Posted: 11/19/2007 12:14:01 PM | | You do know that whites also enslaved whites in america right... should they get paid reparations? Plus i should get some reparations cause my family tree is full of slaves black and white. Or perhaps i dont deserve anything cause im a white guy and white guys 200 years ago did some shit i have no say in. Oh ya and that other half of my family in germany that killed all those jews i cant forget about them. Maybe i should give some jews some money for that considering how much good that will do now. | |
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| Imagin a world without white supremacy
Posted: 11/19/2007 3:41:35 PM | | Read Howard Zinns people history of America. That why the world is in the shape that it is because people are blind. The slave owners wife lay up in her bed evernight frustrated because her husband was down in the slave quarters. What did those women do ? Nothing as long as they had a good life they were ok, but they and everybody else including the Africans who sold us that it was wrong. When you talk about a subject like this a breeds denial like sexual abuse. Women will always be oppressed under men for this same reason. If the shoes were reversed men would hate the things we put women though. The only way you can live with this lie is to live in ignorance. There are millions of books written on this very subject which I'm sure you have read none and if by chance you did you did not comprehend. Keep reading free your mind with other thoughts for white supremecy is the most dominant philosophy in the world today. For once think outside of the box. Between 1880-1920 26 million Europeans migrated to this land fleeing poverty and religous persection and what happened when they got here? They were called poor white trash, they lived in the slums with 50 people in a one bedroom apartment and as soon as they had someone else to oppress they did. They became the killers of the Indigenous for 50$ a head sometimes. That is what people do when they get their liberation in mant cases they oppress other people once again don't take my word I challege you to read. It will shock you to find ouit that much of this research was done be whites themselves. | |
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| Imagin a world without white supremacy
Posted: 11/19/2007 3:54:17 PM | | That would mean the middle east of what? That is the point at one time the middle east was apart of Africa before Europeans dominated history. Who was Abrahams wives like Sarah and Hannah. Take people in India darker than most Africans and yet they have a problem with skin color. When you mention countries like Irag they were much bigger than they are today before they got cut up.The description of Jesus was a African whether you want to except this or not which means nothing spiritually.Like one author wrote the race problem is a white problem as they made it up, just food for thought. And your opinion is you opinion and that is all that it is, as I have stated millions of books have been written on this subject by people with Ph.D's on the subject and it can all be verified by poeple of inlightment with open minds. Most people cannot imagine a world without that philosphy their comments are further proof. | |
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