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Posted: 11/21/2007 6:16:59 PM | | Actually, I am only a nurse.I am not a doctor,I dont make diagnoses, but they are my personal assessment. These ***holes commit crimes, then express thoughts of HI or SI to be brought to the hospital. Because of these expressed thoughts, they must be examined by a doctor to determine what is what. I know the difference between a black mentally ill patient and a black ***hole.There are more mentally ill blacks than whites and there are more black ***holes than white ***holes. But there are more white drug seekers and SI patients than blacks and the whites are more severe about hurting themselves. Blacks are more severe about hurting others. Its in their nature. Just as another example, when an asshole is told they are being DCed back to jail or wherever, a black person will usually attacks someone or destroys state property as an attempt to cancel his discharge.A white person usually cuts himself to avoid discharge. | |
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Posted: 11/21/2007 7:54:30 PM | | Just to mention, a person is a serial killer because of a mental illness, not because they are a***holes with aggressive behavior. And what you said about more men than women, I agree because in the hospital I work, in the adult acute admissions, there are 3 male wards and 1 female ward.Antisocial personality disorder (APD) is a psychiatric condition characterized by an individual's common disregard for social rules, norms, and cultural codes, as well as impulsive behavior, and indifference to the rights and feelings of others.I got this definition from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisocial_personality_disorder--- Even though there are no racial differences, black people tend to show more of this behavior or problem is how I put it. A disorder is the real deal. You must know a person can have suicidal Ideations (SI) but not really be suicidal, just attention seeking. My experience, this is more in white people. A person can display antisocial or aggressive behavior but not have APD. In my experience, this behavior is more common in black people. Why do you think black people are the people who hold public demonstrations more than white people. Because they have more aggressive behavior. These demonstrators are not mentally ill, just more aggressive, and use their aggressiveness in a positive civilized non violent way, by picketing and protesting instead of violence. | |
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Posted: 11/21/2007 8:53:30 PM | Even though there are no racial differences, black people tend to show more of this behavior or problem is how I put it.
We'll leave the fact that wikipedia isn't usually the best place to get detailed epidemiological data from (it provides good and detailed general information on many things but often not the hard data the info is based on) aside for now.
This first one addresses SMI (significant mental health issues). It does not address issues that, to use technical terms, constitute being "seriously looney" (like schizophrenia, the various psychoses, etc.)
From the Surgeon General's Report on Mental Health: Culture, Race and Ethnicity
NCS Study
Lifetime risk
major depression black 8.2% white 9.9%
dysthymia black 5.4% white 6.7%
panic disorder black 1.4% white 3.9%
phobic disorder black 19.2% white 22.3%
The 12 month risk numbers are lower overall for both groups but still demonstrate the same trend.
next is an abstract for the study:
Breslau J, Aguilar-Gaxiola S, Kendler KS, Su M, Williams D, Kessler RC. (2006) "Specifying race-ethnic differences in risk for psychiatric disorder in a USA national sample." Psychol Med. Jan;36(1):57-68.
BACKGROUND: Epidemiological studies have found lower than expected prevalence of psychiatric disorders among disadvantaged race-ethnic minority groups in the USA. Recent research shows that this is due entirely to reduced lifetime risk of disorders, as opposed to persistence. Specification of race-ethnic differences with respect to clinical and social characteristics can help identify the protective factors that lead to lower lifetime risk among disadvantaged minority groups.
METHOD: Data on 5424 Hispanics, non-Hispanic Blacks, and non-Hispanic Whites came from the National Comorbidity Survey Replication, a nationally representative survey conducted with the World Mental Health version of the Composite International Diagnostic Interview. Race-ethnic differences in risk of disorders were compared across specific diagnoses, ages of onset, cohorts and levels of education.
RESULTS: Both minority groups had lower risk for common internalizing disorders: depression, generalized anxiety disorder, and social phobia. In addition, Hispanics had lower risk for dysthymia, oppositional-defiant disorder and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder; non-Hispanic Blacks had lower risk for panic disorder, substance use disorders and early-onset impulse control disorders. Lower risk among Hispanics, relative to non-Hispanic Whites, was found only among the younger cohort (age
CONCLUSION: The pattern of race-ethnic differences in risk for psychiatric disorders suggests the presence of protective factors that originate in childhood and have generalized effects on internalizing disorders. For Hispanics, but not for non-Hispanic Blacks, the influence of these protective factors has emerged only recently.
The category "early-onset impulse control disorders" includes conduct disorders (of which anti-social personality disorder is one but can only be diagnosed as such in adults)
Other studies show no statistically significant difference between blacks and whites for general mental health issues (this would include less serious issues like stress issues for example).
The general conclusion from that would be that blacks, generally, experience fewer serious mental health issues but "catch up" to whites when less severe issues (like stress-related issues) are included.
The above, plus this
These ***holes commit crimes, then express thoughts of HI or SI to be brought to the hospital.
Pretty much clarify that the issue you see is more closely related to the issue of differential treatment of blacks and whites by the justice system (as I pointed out before, blacks are more likely to receive prison/jail sentences and harsher sentences than whites for identical crimes).
In short it is more about unequal justice for blacks than it is about white superiority. | |
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Posted: 11/22/2007 3:03:20 AM | | From your previous post-- Epidemiological studies have found lower than expected prevalence of psychiatric disorders among disadvantaged race-ethnic minority groups in the USA-- This explains why they go to prison rather than a mental hospitals for crimes.You come up with stats showing white people have more mental illnesses than blacks,then you say white people are sent the hospitals rather than prison because they are white. And the mental illnesses you mentioned are disorders, not behaviors.I am not talking about people who are mentally ill. I am talking about patients that become physically aggressive, destroy property then fake a mental illness. Most of the crimes committed is black on black crime. Who testifies against these people? The answer is,the black person they assaulted. Can you explain that one. please? By the way, I hope you and everyone else on this thread will have a wonderful Thanksgiving. I will be working, but I thank God I have this job. | |
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Posted: 11/22/2007 11:46:25 AM |
Where justice is denied, where poverty is enforced, where ignorance prevails, and where any one class is made to feel that society is in an organized conspiracy to oppress, rob, and degrade them, neither persons nor property will be safe.
The blacks have been enslaved by white liberals for over 4 decades and they don't even know it. And yet, election after election they go and vote their white liberals masters to power, so they can continue to keep them enslaved. | |
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Posted: 11/22/2007 1:51:56 PM | Well, better to vote for a master than to be disenfrachised like in Florida, I suppose. At least if oyu want to put it in a master/slave context.
So what will you have to say if Obama Barack gets elected, I wonder? | |
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Posted: 11/22/2007 2:51:52 PM | Are you speaking of the 2000 election. If you are, it was a lie. It was a gimmick to start trouble, as usual. If you are not talking about the 2000 elections,please educate me.
http://www.glennbeck.com/news/08092004.shtml
Point of interst.
Immediately following the contested 2000 presidential election, The U.S Commission on Civil Rights (hereinafter 'the Commission') conducted a six-month investigation into Florida's election. The result? The Commission found absolutely no evidence of systematic disenfranchisement of black voters. Furthermore, the investigation found no credible evidence that any Floridians were INTENTIONALLY denied the right to vote in the 2000 election.
The Commission did find, however, that many Florida voters, irrespective of race, spoiled their ballots by MISTAKE. But voter error is not the same thing as "disenfranchisement" and it certainly isn't evidence of any conspiracy or plot to steal or suppress black votes. The Commission also found violations of the Voting Rights Act in three counties. The infractions were that some poll workers had been hostile to Hispanic voters, bilingual assistance hadn't been provided to two Haitian voters and some Hispanic voters had been denied bilingual assistance. None of the offending counties was controlled by Republicans!
What you did not hear reported was that the Florida 2000 election was not a startling anomaly. National studies on the issue demonstrated ballot-spoilage rates across the country range between 2-3 percent of total ballots cast. Florida's rate in 2000 was 3 percent. In 1996 it was 2.5 percent. | |
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Posted: 11/22/2007 6:51:31 PM | By treating ALL peoples the same, it makes it far easier for all to get along. Jealousy and rivalry rears itself when some get "special treatment" because of race, religion, or colour. This brings about stife, and then the gov't wonders why people are "so against" each other. "Duh!"
This is not true at all. Treating people equally who are not socially, economically and even legally/poltically equal does not make it easier for people to get along. This is one of the biggest problems of capitalism, it treats everyone as equal, beginning from the same starting block. This is why we should be implementing a politics of difference, that is policies and processes which privlige the disadvantaged. Affirmative action is one type, but there are many more which can be implemented in order to combat inequality from a number of subject positions but also to combat white privilige
And to reply to this whole "if Obama gets in then there will be no more excuses/racism etc..." it is not the individual we should be analyzing but rather then dominant white system which keeps other groups marginalized and peripheralized. Do you think if Obama gets elected than blacks will stop being over represented in the American criminal justice system? of course not. Systematic racism will continue, bussiness as usual | |
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Posted: 11/23/2007 2:35:42 AM | This article was written by a black man so he cant be accused of racism against black people, unless that person is in denial of what is actually going on.
www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-oped1121pagenov21,1,4628023.column?ctrack=1&cset=true
Hate crimes' gaping loopholes
Clarence Page
November 21,2007
Hate crimes are evil. Hate crime statistics, by contrast, can be whatever you want them to be.
It all depends on how you view the numbers, like the numbers in the FBI's latest report on hate crime incidents.
Reported incidents rose in the United States last year by almost 8 percent, the FBI reported. Also for a second year, racial prejudice was the motive in slightly more than half of the reported instances.
In television appearances, Rev. Al Sharpton, leader of the National Action Network, barely concealed his satisfaction. He has been criticized by fussbudgets like me for grandstanding the issue. He led a march last week in Washington to accuse the Justice Department of lax hate crime enforcement. This week, thanks to the FBI, he had actual evidence to back up his longheld speculation that hate crimes are on the rise.
"The FBI report confirms what we have been saying for many months about the severe increase in hate crimes," said Sharpton.
Well, not quite. It's true that the FBI data confirm an increase in hate crimes in 2006, according to data on the FBI's Web site, but not in a way that confirms what Sharpton and Co. have been saying.
For one thing, reported hate crimes spiked upward in 2001 and have since declined. For another, this year the number of reported attacks against blacks barely budged, according to the new data posted on the FBI's Web site. Although Sharpton has expressed greatest alarm over hate crimes against blacks, last year's increase in hate crimes came almost entirely as a result of an increase in reported attacks against whites. Reported attacks against blacks stayed relatively flat.
Incidents in which the victim was targeted for being white increased by 7.5 percent last year, while similar hate crimes against blacks increased by only -- get out your calculators -- four-tenths of 1 percent.
Not that I want to give you the impression that a surging race war is being waged against whites. After all, it is sobering to remember that the reported 3,332 black hate-crime victims numbered three times higher than the reported 1,054 white victims.
Yet, the qualifying adjective "reported" is important. The reporting of hate crime statistics by local police departments to the FBI is voluntary. That always feeds the suspicion that some departments might be shaving their figures a bit, just to make their communities look more hospitable.
Even more frustrating is the manner in which what constitutes a "hate crime" is often in the eye of the beholder. A good example is the case of the "Jena 6." That's the case in which six black teenagers in Jena, La., were charged with the attempted second-degree murder of a white student who was beaten unconscious in December 2006. The charges later were reduced to aggravated second-degree assault. But civil rights protesters and some Jena residents have complained that three white students, who four months earlier hung nooses in a schoolyard tree, were suspended from school but not charged with a hate crime.
So, were the nooses a harmless prank, as the youths' defenders contend, or a hate crime? Was the beating a schoolyard fight, as the Jena 6's defenders contend, or a hate crime?
The protesters should be careful what they ask for. After all, if federal prosecutors were to charge the white youths with a hate crime, they might well be obligated to charge the black youths, too, which would only compound their misery.
For now, since neither episode was prosecuted as a hate crime, neither shows up in the hate crime statistics that Jena's local and county police reported to the FBI.
That's a frustrating paradox of hate crime law. If your assailant fails to mutter or scrawl an applicable epithet while beating or robbing you, they can avoid the extra hate-crime charge, whether they deserve to escape it or not.
That's why I cringe when I hear hate crime laws being oversold. It's a lot easier to outlaw blatantly hateful and intimidating acts like the burning of a cross in someone else's yard than to outlaw hate itself.
Instead we can take some instructive comfort in the progress we have made toward starving institutionalized hate at its roots. In contrast to the heyday of the Ku Klux Klan, most of today's hate crimes are committed not by groups but by the sad dimwits that one British writer called "dabblers in hate." We're making progress.
The best cure for any crime is intervention by families, churches, schools, community organizations and everyday personal interactions in the lives of youngsters before they become lawbreakers. That's true of hate crimes too. It's not as romantic as marching and chanting, but it works. | |
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Posted: 11/23/2007 3:10:54 AM | OP, you can never give Justice...
where to start?
to all the people in this world?
which nation? which group?
my grandfather lived in hungary.
the communists are responsible for his death,
and the Russian army that held the communist dictatorship in power.
what do I do? should I go to the Russian Embassy and ask for compensation?
because my mother lot her father early? and I never had a chance to see him?
suppose I would go. they would tell me your grand-grandfather was fighting at an earlier war against Russia. maybe he also shoot somebody who had family wife and children....
shall we go back to Napoleonic wars?
going back further in history of ancestors, you just arrive to "legends" or the "unknown".
further back.....you go back to Adam & Eve, or even if you don't believe that I read that genetics have proved all humans actually come from the same mother and father that lived in Africa some loooooooooong time ago.
we all have the same ancestors!
we are ALL brothers!!!.............what will I get from you for Christmas?  | |
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Posted: 11/23/2007 6:51:33 AM | Hold the hell on, are you trying to insinuate that whites commit the most hate crimes in the USA?
First Read: http://forums.plentyoffish.com/datingPosts8709599.aspx
Ahhh thats right, tell you what read up on US law and come repost that statistic with some vital backing. Why? Because if you would have, you would have found out that a "hate crime" in the USA is [B]ONLY[/B] defined as a majority race ganging up on a minority race, thus meaning that it is impossible for a black man to commit a hate crime against a white man under that law, instead its a "gang related crime".
So, those statics you see that are of black hate crimes, is hate crimes to races in this country that are minority to blacks. For it to be that HIGH of a number, its pretty sad really that any one would come here and preach anti-racism for blacks.
There are 3 types of racist people in this country, 1) Ignorant red-necks that have yet to realize that Robert E Lee surrendered the war over 200 years ago, 2) blacks, 3) and people like me who's rights are infringed upon and are treated lesser of a human being, lessened of privileges, because I'm considered "WHITE", a minority, someone whom "owes" the black race and therefor have no choice but to stand up and try and reclaim those rights.
But wait... That #3 doesn't follow the definition of racism... I still do not discriminate against someone based on their skin color... I extend to them common courtesy until they cause me to retract that by their own actions against myself. Thats more than number 1 and 2 do.
So why so hateful then? The person posting this topic and the ones agreeing with it, have lost that first line of courtesy in my book for the racist nature of their posts. | |
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Posted: 11/24/2007 6:01:20 PM | | I forget the name, but someone once said that you can take a group of people of the same race and put them on a desert island, you can separate them into two groups. Each group has to live on the opposite side of the island from the other. One group can wear red t-shirts and the other wears blue ones. Sooner or later, one group will start finding reasons to hate, fear and mistrust the other. Knowing human nature as I do, I fully believe that this would happen. | |
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Posted: 11/25/2007 2:55:16 PM | | I have actually been promoted before. The day I was to start, I was called into the office only to be told another person(black) had the job I had already been given, due to complaints from other staff that a white person got the job. When this position came open again, a black women said she ws not going to apply for the position because of my experience. When she mentioned this a second time, the supervisor overhearing this, the supervisor called her into the office at that time, and gave her the job. | |
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Posted: 11/25/2007 8:29:55 PM | I think for one, I don't think people actually have difficulty putting themselves in other people's shoes in their brains, but when it comes to action, some of us are just not strong enough or don't care enough to try to make things better for the other people.
Another thing is that what's right is not what's fair. This whole thing about racial issue happens in many places. Fairness is really irrelevant. How much "reparation" should be allowed to be "fair" or to make a difference? It's never going to be fair for some, but the forward looking is what provides hope.
Though it's the history that induced some of the issues we face now, I think the lives that were harmed these days are more harmed by things that happen to them in more recent times rather than the slave trade days. | |
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Posted: 11/25/2007 9:08:16 PM | | A lot of whites ancestors may or may not have been involved in Slavery. Once you go back a score of generations you have tens of thousands of ancestors, not all who where white (or black) I would suspect many blacks have white ancestors who where slave owners. I have black and Indian ancestors so I'm more used to passing as white. It's been a struggle to acknowledge any minority heritage as the dominant society can be rather cold. Ironically minority groups are almost as likely to block me as the dominant culture. So I guess it's reflective of the human condition and perceived self interest, which isn't news to most of us. | |
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Posted: 6/28/2008 6:32:06 PM | | Typical Europeans tend to over look or over simplify a situation that is the very heart of white supremecy. You can't seem to look at the truth when it doesn't come from you. Most Africans in this country could not read or write what they know about reparations? And as far as Africa is concerned that is only your opinion. Europeans greatly benefit from this thinking. If African Americans never visited Africa how would they no what it was like? Reparations should be paid by African countries, Europe and America as they all benefited from the slave trade. | |
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Posted: 6/28/2008 7:22:52 PM | Someday we'll all be a delicious light brown.
Racial discimination is a fad.
Social status discimination will outlive it by centuries.  | |
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Posted: 6/28/2008 7:31:29 PM | We all have ancestors that were slaves (including White people, although for many of them it might reach back hundreds of years). Some of my ancestors were slaves here in America and some were not. I don't believe that reparations for slavery is a good idea at all. I think that Black people, (Yes, I am Black, not multiracial), should let it go. Reparations wouldn't help anyone. Giving reparations to Black people would be reinforcing the idea that Black people are not part of America, and should some how be treated differently. This is the wrong direction to go in. We don't need reparations. I don't need reparations.
Beyonce, Michael Jackson, and others do things to "appear" more White you say? Perhaps this is true, but is it really a huge deal? You say 50% of women are doing something like this? I would dispute that number adamently. Just ask yourself how many Black women you encounter every day then ask yourself how many of those women truly had weave??? I'm certain it isn't 1 in 2.
The creation of a movement that seeks to unify people based on common humanity is what we need as species. My ideas are very radical. I think they should get rid of Black history month completely. The BET network should also be done away with. Seems very few people on Earth are truly interested in creating connection between people based on shared evolutionary history. As a species, we are all one entity, but the moment you try to make this argument to people, you are labled as being too idealistic or too optimistic. It's sad. | |
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Posted: 6/28/2008 8:17:09 PM | Reparations, sorry, don't think so unless I get a piece of that pie...
When I was younger I worked as a cook at a fine restaurant for many years and did a great job. A family of blacks bought the place and I was quickly fired. They didn't change the restaurant, the decor or the menu, just the employees. To this day that place remains the same, even the same customers of which a few were angry over my dismissal.
I remember a man named Adolf Hitler who could imagine the world without a whole lot of people in it, and tried very hard to do so. I can think of many other people who deserve reparation for crimes against them and humanity that were either worse or done so long before the slavery in America happened. I think the blacks have a very long line to wait in behind many others for reparation over historys course including mine.
And who is going to get reparation today for the crimes against humanity that are commited daily on the streets of our cities? Gang violence and other crimes of that lethal magnitude where in the taking of other lives are involved for no other reason than he or she was standing there at the time, must be considered an act of violence so heinous that this should be considered crimes against humanity in and of itself.
We have a long way to go as human beings to make good for the crimes of the past, but perpetuating racial divisions based on who gets compensated for what is doing nothing more than strengthening racism itself. There are a whole lot of other people to consider in this world...
Even the title of this thread is racist... | |
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Posted: 6/29/2008 8:39:24 PM | How can you be so blind to just ignore the very good arguments put up against you? You label them as " White Supremacist" and cast aside their true meaning.
You are ignorant and only asking for everyone to agree with you. You know what? This WILL NOT HAPPEN. Because, YOU ARE WRONG.
Accept this and move on. Your ignorance does nothing but sap what little remaining respect the people of this board have for you. | |
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| Imagin a world without white supremacy
Posted: 7/1/2008 1:16:50 PM |
Typical Europeans tend to over look or over simplify a situation that is the very heart of white supremecy.
Typical. Wow you made yourself sound very intelligent.
Most Africans in this country could not read or write what they know about reparations?
No duh. It was illegal.
Reparations should be paid by African countries, Europe and America as they all benefited from the slave trade.
Really? That is alot of money.
Also, is it all gonna go to blacks? What about Jews? I mean seriously, how many contries have they been expelled from? Jews had it bad long before Hitler. | |
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