| Church pays through the nose for its bigotry
Posted: 11/6/2007 3:38:02 AM | As for people saying Phelps is wrong in his belief of homosexuality, I played with Biblegateway for a few minutes and found theses criptures--
1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders.
Leviticus 18-1 The LORD said to Moses, 2 "Speak to the Israelites and say to them: 'I am the LORD your God. 3 You must not do as they do in Egypt, where you used to live, and you must not do as they do in the land of Canaan, where I am bringing you. Do not follow their practices. 4 You must obey my laws and be careful to follow my decrees. I am the LORD your God. 5 Keep my decrees and laws, for the man who obeys them will live by them. I am the LORD.
22 " 'Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.
Romans 1-24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.
25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
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The constitution says Fhelps can not force this belief on others, but the constitution says he can practice his beliefs and hes christian belief is to impose these words on others. Its a no end debate.
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| Church pays through the nose for its bigotry
Posted: 11/6/2007 11:08:55 AM | | Someone in a previous post said "believing homosexuality is a sin should be keep it in the church. I just remembered that in the christian religion, a church is "anywhere' 2 or more people come together in the name of the Lord. So, even though they were 1000 feet away from the funeral, they were still at church. now to not honer christian beliefs is being bigoted. And Ceder77, None of these civil rights extreamest complained about CharlesEdm's statement because they think its OK to give a hate speech on people who are white, straight, and christion. Now if CharlsEdm had said Most black, muslim gay people, were evil, they would have had an orgasm for having something to complain about. As far as what extreamest complain about things, they think its Ok, for a mexican to notlearn english. I wonder if they can say the eight colors in spanish. The pronunciation of the word black sounds derogatory for another minority group. Guess they will have to choose whos azz they want to kiss when this comes into play. | |
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| Church pays through the nose for its bigotry
Posted: 11/6/2007 11:42:10 AM | I do not Know the ins and the outs of this case. I do find Phelps and his kind repugnate. if his clan stepped over the line I am glad they were sued.
I also find it odd that so called Christains would support this chruch and it's twisted message. | |
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| Church pays through the nose for its bigotry
Posted: 11/6/2007 12:31:51 PM | if his clan stepped over the line I am glad they were sued. -- agreed
I also find it odd that so called Christains would support this chruch and it's twisted message.
I am not a christian,but not a good one, on any issue.I do not support his message or his church (as most do not) but I support its right to exist and its right to express their message .just as I support anyone who wants to protest this church. | |
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| Church pays through the nose for its bigotry
Posted: 11/6/2007 11:56:01 PM | "I also find it odd that so called Christians would support this church and it's twisted message."
I do not support their message, but do support their right to Freedom of Speech.
There is a difference.
I also have the right, to walk away and not hear what they have to say. That protects both our civil rights. | |
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| Church pays through the nose for its bigotry
Posted: 11/7/2007 2:50:18 AM | Maybe the reason that there arent any "white parades" is that, as far as i know, whites have never been supressed, refused the right to vote, denied seats on buses, not been hated by people on the whole etc, just because they are white...All I can do is laugh at this statement
, therefore to be accepted in the eyes of the "norm", homosexuality HAS to be made acceptable and by having parades it brings the fact that they shouldnt be ignored or be treated abhorrently purely because of their sexuality---I agree they have the right to this behavior, but, straight people have theright to express they dont approve, just as illigal mexicans have the right to express their non exceptence of US policy.
How many times (and be honest) are straight people beaten to within an inch of their lives or murdered purely because they are straight!---Only a few times, honestly, thats all but dont you hear of straight people being beaten because they refuse the advances of homosexuals.
if you are standing in the street saying "Im glad he has died and i hope that more die too--I admit, that is a terrible way to feel and say, but I still believe his constitutional right has been violated. Words cant hurt people, unless they already have a low self- esteem about it. | |
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| Church pays through the nose for its bigotry
Posted: 11/7/2007 2:58:11 AM | ^ What about the basic constitutional right of the family to bury a loved one in peace?
What about the basic idea that "they" (the members of that "Church") believe that if you fight in the army you are supporting America refusing to allow discrimination against Gays? That idea is not only backwards but wrong.
A person has the right to be buried in peace, regardless of what they did or didnt do in their life. They fought for the US army. End of. Their LAST right as a person is to be buried in peace, the family have the constitutional right to bury their loved one in a place that they deem suitable, the right to give that person a good send off, a right that was taken away by those people.
They violated the rights of others, if they wish to speak of hatred and the like then they have to keep that in their homes or in their churches.
If they had been shouting "Fvcking N*****" at the funeral of a black person, whether it be across the street or in the church grounds, it would be again very wrong.
There is a very big difference between the freedom of speech and inciting hatred. If there are no laws saying that you must not stand near to a funeral spouting hate, there should be. At times i am so glad i am in Britain where that sort of thing not only doesn't occur but IF it did the perpertrators would be imprisoned. | |
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Posted: 11/7/2007 9:42:12 AM | I also find it odd that so called Christains would support this chruch and it's twisted message.
Oh puhleeeeezzzeeee........at least let us be honest. IF the christian bible were actually a true book, this man is one of the few who is going by its word. Christianity IS a hate based religion and if their god were real, this man would have the biggest and the best of the mansions with gold plated toilets. I have read, read, and re-read the bible and the ONLY thing this man is doing against it is throwing around the word "hate" so freely. god likes to corner the market on hate and have no competetion. Otherwise, he is a perfect messenger of gods word. And (unfortunately) within his rights of free speech. | |
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Posted: 11/7/2007 10:08:05 AM | Some people like sassyaquarius, designingwomen, jed451 and some others believe in Gay rights but no one elses.That is closed minded.
Thanks for assuming my position I believe everyone has free speech rights under the constitution,even Phelps who I consider a psychopath. | |
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Posted: 11/7/2007 10:40:15 AM | A little more on phelps from wiki
Phelps and the Westboro church run the website godhatessweden.com. Phelps has declared that the heavy Swedish losses in the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake, initially overestimated to be near 20,000, were God's punishment of Sweden for the promotion of homosexuality. In particular, Phelps has criticized Sweden's prosecution of Åke Green. Phelps' website depicts a granite monument designed by himself that claims that Green is a Christian martyr and Phelps has announced plans to erect copies of the monument throughout the United States.[29]
In response, Green has called Phelps "appalling" and "extremely unpleasant",[30].
In addition, when Phelps and his Westboro followers have shown up at Walter Reed Army Medical Center or other locales in the Washington area, they have been actively protested by the DC Chapter of Free Republic, a conservative website.
On June 5, 2006, Albert Snyder, the father of Lance Cpl. Matthew A. Snyder, who was killed in the line of duty on March 3, 2006, and whose funeral was picketed by Phelps, sued Phelps and the Westboro Baptist Church, Inc., in the U.S. District Court in Maryland, for defamation, invasion of privacy, and intentional infliction of emotional distress. The lawsuit also involves accusations made on Phelps' websites that Mr. and Mrs. Snyder "raised [Matthew] for the devil" and taught him "to defy his Creator, to divorce, and to commit adultery".[74] On October 31, 2007, a jury returned a $2.9m verdict in favor of the plaintiff.[75] Later, the jury returned in the afternoon with its decision to award $6 million in punitive damages for invasion of privacy and $2 million for causing emotional distress.[76] Phelps then announced his intention to appeal the decision. A psychotic who has the right to spout his garbage!
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Posted: 11/7/2007 11:32:15 AM | WOWOW I am just dumbfounded!!! I heard about this last week sometime!!!
How DARE they! I am glad the judgement was so high and that the family got some satisfaction by what happened. But 11 Million is too small amount for what they did....I say 11 BILLION.... AND A .5 FOR GOOD MEASURE... What is the world coming to?
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| Church pays through the nose for its bigotry
Posted: 11/7/2007 12:01:52 PM | | If there are any Kevin Smith fans out there, ("Clerks", "Chasing Amy", "Mall Rats", "Dogma", "Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back"...) and are interested in watching an intimate one on one intereview with Fred Phelps, Smith produced a documentary that was recently released called "Small Town Gay Bar". It gives a very unbiased account of Phelps, his followers and the origins of his crusade and at the same time you get to see exactly what many gays in America have to deal with. | |
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| Church pays through the nose for its bigotry
Posted: 11/7/2007 12:16:08 PM | Disturbed Angel has made some excellent points in her posts. Muppetkiss also makes a good point that there's a documentary out to show what gay people have to endure every day. It saddens me that in this day and age "people" like Phelps are doing what they are doing. I for one am glad that they got sued and had their clocks cleaned. That kind of behavior is absolutely unacceptable. If someone wants to protest in an appropriate forum, fine, but not at someone's funeral!!!
I support everyone's rights, but when someone infringes on another's rights, I oppose it. That's why I oppose Phelps' deplorable behavior. A family's right to dignity during a funeral was trampled upon and that is unacceptable. | |
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Posted: 11/7/2007 2:33:42 PM | | I am not going to get into whats right or wrong with this issue, but is there any military people here. Could he be charged with treason, with supporting the death of US soldiers dieing in combat. I dont even cheer for the death of the enemy. | |
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Posted: 11/7/2007 4:04:21 PM | I think we're getting away from something here:
1.) Phelps was tried in civil court not criminal court.
2.) His actions are and have always been FULLY PROTECTED from criminal prosecution under the freedom of speech laws. That's not being disputed.
3.) This does not protect him if someone wants to sue him in CIVIL court for the effect his actions has on others. Anybody can sue anyone for anything in this country if they want to.
Welcome to America Rev. Phelps!! | |
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Posted: 11/7/2007 4:12:09 PM |
believe as you wish but the 1st Amendment doesn't give you the right to inflict your hatred and prejudice on others Why shouldnt it? everyone has a right to express their opinions, its people like you with your "politically correct "agenda that are causing the demise of America...freedom of speech shoud protect everyone regardless of their beliefs, who is going to be the judge of what is acceptable? You? if so, why you? the majority? who? these type of verdicts have far reaching detrimental effects on the principles on which this country was founded.Wake up America all these verdicts and changes in law that are supposedly for the betterment of our nation are having the opposite effect eventually we will be a Police State... | |
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| Church pays through the nose for its bigotry
Posted: 11/20/2007 5:24:14 PM | | About what I put on a previous post about people preoccupied with religion being crazy or osomething like that, today, one of my patients who is over religious,told another patient to not touch his GD bible. | |
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Posted: 11/20/2007 5:43:49 PM | I personally think they should have been criminally charged. If you're going to insult somebody, you do it at a place were disrespect is somewhat tolerable. Sorry, "but god hates (insert lifestyle/race/whatever here)" is inappropriate anywhere, especially at a church. That's blasphemy, plain and simple.
btw, ariann, those biblical quotes make me laugh. Anyone that owns a cross with christ hanging on it is an idolator - because that's an idol. The cross itself is not, the cross with christ on it is. So is a statue of mary.
Anyway, the gay pride parades are forced on us. We don't have a say. Regarding protests, we don't have a say either. And like a parade, we can ignore them. But as much as I'm against political correctness, hiding behind religion to spew prejudice - hiding behind anything to do as such - is intolerable cowardice.
I'm against lawsuits; they tie up the court system. And this man is clearly in need of some jail time. Or at least a swift kick in the ass. Repeatedly. | |
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Posted: 11/21/2007 12:09:44 PM | In today's PC world, the sad fact we all must recognize is that the laws are there for everyone, regarding rights, whither we agree with them or not. It appears that the PC people are always ready to take someone else's rights away, but demand that their rights not be trampled on.
There are many people who don't believe as I do, about many issues, but in the same token as I have the right to my beliefs, I and we must recognize that others rights are to be protected also.
I may not like the message or the messenger and I have a right not to listen to what they have to say.....but that is really the only right I have, as far as distancing myself from their beliefs. | |
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Posted: 11/21/2007 2:54:08 PM | | I dont think they should be criminally charged just for disrespecting someone or for saying God hates. Yes, it is very disrespectful but is they a law for showing disrespect. Natec, In the church I was raised, St. Francis Episcapal church, we bow before the cross at the alter before entering the aster. Just a plain cross may not mean anything to you, but it means something to me. We do not worship the statue of Mary, but I will respect it, just as I will respect a Bible,even a Quron.I will not respect the words of Phelps but I will respect his right to free speech. | |
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| Church pays through the nose for its bigotry
Posted: 11/21/2007 3:19:33 PM | | i am not a ally of any communities nor am i a devout Christian ; however God did not create gays . God created Adam and Eve and " NOT " Adam and Steve and to believe otherwise is purely vacuous. | |
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Posted: 11/21/2007 6:53:35 PM | | Being gay/lesbian is not normal behavior for human beings no more than being born blind. Example, normal men like women. Boy George is not a normal man but being gay is normal for him. Normal women like men, but being lesbian is normal for Rosie O. But if either one of them died, I would not be happy about that, neither do I worry about who they are f--king. | |
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Posted: 11/21/2007 7:22:43 PM | ^^What?!?!?!
Who made you the determinant of what is normal??
Funny how it seems to always come back to this..
Is what you have posted above the issue here??? Or is the issue the fact that these sickos prevented people from having a NORMAL funeral?
*shakes head in incredulity*
Designing Woman.. you impress me! Thank you for the consistently shining example of a christian :) | |
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