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Posted: 12/4/2007 10:18:01 PM | Good for you girl, they do need to choose more carefully. I hate how they put us all in the same catagory, not all woman are the same and not all guys are the same, if that was the case then I would of given up years ago at finding a partner.  | |
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| she got pregnant!
Posted: 12/6/2007 11:53:14 AM | bikerscum
In other words, all HER choice.
When the response is "well he should keep his****in his pants" and then you go "yeah, guess I will" then you're like "why you all bitter and shit?"
is it her choice? nope there is no choice. The egg was fertilized by the sperm and now the choice is gone. The choice they had was to have sex or not.
1sweetsarah
"BUT.... she also should not go after dude for child support or visitation... since she is choosing to have a baby he has said he doesn't want.... "
what a load of crap!
if he really didnt want to be a father then he shouldnt have done what it takes to get a child! DUH! please spare me the platitudes about "protection". there is only one failsafe method of not getting pregnant, and neither one of them exercised that option.
RESTRAINT!
so now you are suggesting that this child pay the price for these two idiots just because she didnt think thru her decision to spread her legs beforehand and he didnt think thru his decision to screw her?
regardless of what these two morons wanted, this child deserves to be supported financially by both of them. they owe the chid that much, and more!
from what you say of your friend, and this guy, the best thing for that child would be to give it to someone who doesnt see her/him as a result of a mistake. let someone who actually wants kids, have the baby. if you are any indication of the level of intelligence of this girls friends, or her, best thing would be to give that baby up for adoption. omg your grammar is atrocious!
I could NOT agree more!!!!!
I SECOND THAT!!!!
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Posted: 12/6/2007 12:28:04 PM | Two people made the choice to have sex. A child was not given the choice to who they may be born to. She wants to have the child. Can she support the child? Is she ready to make a commitment for at least 19 years to support that child? Is she ready to put that child first especially when young over her own needs like I want to go out with friends? Is she mature enough to handle all the trials and yes tribulations that this child will bring??
If the answers are no to any of these questions then discuss putting the child before the want of the woman. There are many loving couples out there that may be unable to have a child of their own yet would embrace the chance to raise one. This is what you call unselfish love. | |
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Posted: 12/6/2007 12:34:59 PM | Dead simple. Don't f**k pro-lifers or Christians, problem solved.
Problem is the lying women... they get pregnant and "change their minds" can I have some money now plz? | |
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Posted: 12/6/2007 12:48:38 PM | Eh???....She didn't change her mind at all as far as i'm aware, she kept the baby!
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Posted: 12/6/2007 1:00:04 PM | Yes she did keep the baby according to the last post anyway. And shes doing what she wants thats all that counts. It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks or says. I'm Pro choice but don't think a woman should go against her believes because the guy doesn't want the child. Its totally her choice what happens to her body. I think she should wait to come after him for money then he can have fun explaining to the new people in his life where the kid came from. 
As for guys should only f@@king Pro choice women..well that is a good idea. But honestly ladies if a guy asks you if your Pro Choice or Pro Life before sex would you have anything to do with him? | |
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Posted: 12/6/2007 1:02:49 PM | It's a valid question.
I don't wish to pay any more child support. I'll pay it for kids I sired in marriage when I thought she was sticking around for good. As for a casual ****, no way am I handing you a red cent if you get knocked up.
The only people I wish to rivet will be the ones RUNNING for the coat hanger if the test comes out positive. | |
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Posted: 12/6/2007 5:01:23 PM |
if you get knocked up. Last I checked women don't get themselves pregnant! Remember 6th grade health class swimmy spermy meets little eggy together they make a baby?
The only people I wish to rivet will be the ones RUNNING for the coat hanger if the test comes out positive. Seriously grown adults should have honest open communication about birth control before sex is even considered. Nobody should have to run for a coat hanger if the test comes back positive. It's quite simple really! Don't make babies you don't want...... SAFE SEX people it's really a no brainer! | |
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Posted: 12/6/2007 5:15:57 PM |
Seriously grown adults should have honest open communication about birth control before sex is even considered. Nobody should have to run for a coat hanger if the test comes back positive. It's quite simple really! Don't make babies you don't want...... SAFE SEX people it's really a no brainer!
Thinking safe sex equates to no baby is the no brainer, thats why they are called "accidents" you'll find
But there are various scenarios surrounding a pregnancy, and the one thats the most discussed and disagreed over scenario is where niether person planned to have a child and they werent having any form of valid potentially long term relationship and were both simply agreeing to have sex, nothing more
If the "well if you agree to have sex then you are agreeing to the responsibility of having a child" mindset was a valid one then it would EQUALLY apply to women and I doubt anyone male or female would complain as its then equal and niether person has any choice but to take responsibility for it
What the main sticking point tends to be is that women DONT have to take any responsibility for their actions, they dont have to even be able to provide for a child and if they dont want the responsibility they can just abort it and carry on shagging as per
The ONLY gender that HAS to take responsibility for a pregnancy they didnt want when they also ONLY agreed to having sex is men. Which in any other guise and if the genders were reversed would be sexual discrimination
But as its only men with no voice or say in the matter that seems to be fine to women, well of course it would be lol. If it was all based on the decision of men I am sure a lot of men would think THAT was fair too and wouldnt want it to be fair and as equal as was possible
But some of both genders dont just see the topic from the "I'm alright jack so screw you" perspective, even some women dont think the current balance is as fair as it could be and would prefer a more equal balance | |
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Posted: 12/6/2007 6:13:55 PM |
if he really didnt want to be a father then he shouldnt have done what it takes to get a child! DUH! please spare me the platitudes about "protection". there is only one failsafe method of not getting pregnant, and neither one of them exercised that option.
Okay, so, guess what. I'm not having sex again as long as I live, cause I refuse to be railed into having a kid.
NOW go and call me bitter and twisted.
You can't win with a woman, folks. | |
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Posted: 12/7/2007 4:17:47 AM | | Well you best not had because guess what?...it's not your choice! | |
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Posted: 12/7/2007 5:03:45 AM | "As for guys should only f@@king Pro choice women..well that is a good idea. But honestly ladies if a guy asks you if your Pro Choice or Pro Life before sex would you have anything to do with him?"
What a grand idea! And do we have them sign a legally binding contract? Nah!
I would expect her to ask me if I am "pro condom", which I am!!! lol lol
And then I would expect her answer on pro choice while monitoring her pulse to see if she was telling the truth or if Republican, ask her if she likes Rudy, or .... there are lot's of ways to get an indiction, but none is full proof. C'est la vie! All one can do is minimise the risk of conception. And as the guy who was dying of thirst in the Sahara wrote in his last lines to his diary "it was the luck of the draw". Seriously. C'est la vie (translation: That's Life)! | |
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Posted: 12/8/2007 9:37:20 AM | claire2282 fanx for havin my back with the language thing!
i swear all these people makin commentz about it are like 30 + they needa act there age alie?
n you some of you r gettin the thing twisted! the baby wasnt a mistake 'she' regrets! its him whos regrettin it.. al im askin is if 'shes' bein selfish 2wardz him by keepin it against his wishes!
n by the way... if any of you people who got a problem with how i type chat to any young person ul find we near enough all type the same  were aynt dumb or anythin like that, itz jus how we talk! and yeah id appreciate it if you just post about the subject not about me :D thank you
claire2282 < nuff luv to you x
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Posted: 12/8/2007 9:51:46 AM | sure she should keep her baby.
but learn what birth control is.
and know for a fact
he is not gonna be there for the child.
leave him out of it.
he does not want the kid.
if she tries pushing it on him it will only
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Posted: 12/8/2007 10:00:18 AM | ^^^
For a FACT? How can you possibly know what is "for a fact" when it hasn't happened yet? Yeah, it may be unlikely he'll be with the mother but that doesn't mean that he won't grow to live his kid when he sees it. | |
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Posted: 12/8/2007 10:06:35 AM | | I said the same thing stephanie. I don't get why people get mad when some say he shouldn't be forced into being around for the kid. I don't know if you think the same but I think it be more cruel for the child to know a father who considered the kid a mistake. I feel the chicky should ask someone that will willing treat the child with the respect it deserves. So the kid can grow up and feel loved instead of feeling like a mistake. The guy was stupid for lying to her about what he wanted but even if he has no role in the child's life he will always remember that he should be safer when it comes to sex from now on. Shes not selfish for what she did. She did the right thing no going against her believes because of what he wanted. Even if I'm pro choice no man can tell a woman pro life to abort the baby. | |
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Posted: 12/8/2007 10:36:27 AM | If two people have sex with one or niether wanting nor planning to have a child and one pops out then it is an accident, mistake or whatever someone calls it
Just because one of them might have been deliberately or apathetically trying or hoping for a free pass to live on benefits and child support doesnt in any way shape or form alter the other persons perspective of the circumstances surrounding that childs birth
And anyway, if someone because of their views on abortion or simply because they were too lazy to take responsibility for mistakes has a child then rather than create some fairy tale nonsense about how they came about I reckon its far wiser to tell the child the circumstances in the hopes that one vicky pollard clones unplanned offspring MIGHT actually manage to avoid continuing the habit as often seems to be the case
As for the comments about typing, as I said earlier, try applying for a job typing like that and see how far it gets you. Then again youre pregnant now (oops, silly me "she (nudge nudge wink wink) is pregnant arent you" I meant to type there) so jobs arent really relevant now are they? | |
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Posted: 12/8/2007 10:55:01 AM | Yeah, well it works both ways cunning, somebody who refuses to take care of their child could also be considered as lazy and looking for a free pass out of the childs life. There are dozens of men who do this again and again...get women pregnant, leave them, get another pregnant, leave her, move on to the next, throw a few abortions in for good measure! Oh and lets not forget just WHO pays for the abortions that these men insist on...that's right, the tax payers...because if it was them who were out of pocket they sure as hell wouldn't make the same mistakes again and again would they, because lets face it, with what your implying it seems that money is more important than life, eh?! How i SERIOUSLY hope and pray that your not passing this drivvel on to your kids, how demoralising for a daughter to hear this crap every day...and how misguided to teach a son that his needs and wants come first over any child's! Are single mums surviving off benefits or are they all scrounging off the dads?...NEWS FLASH!...women on benefits aren't entitled to get any maintenance off the dads!!!
Heyla, it is cruel for a child to grow up feeling it wasn't wanted! It is cruel for a child to grow up on the breadline and it is cruel for children not to know their full history or health status. Once a baby is born the fathers invariably come around. I know few parents who consider their children "mistakes" even if they weren't planned! | |
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Posted: 12/8/2007 11:27:59 AM |
Oh and lets not forget just WHO pays for the abortions that these men insist on...that's right, the tax payers..
None of whom will be illiterate non working single young mums, and many of whom WILL be the men who knocked em up anyway as few women will date a man without an income even if they dont have one themselves
what your implying it seems that money is more important than life, eh
Cant see where you get that from as whether someone does or doesnt contribute towards a child hardly means the child will "die" now does it? So less of the melodrama lol, Jeez
And the life is ONLY important to the women who dont abort, so are you saying that money (but their own this time) is more important to women who DO abort than life too?
And obviously the money is no more important to the bloke than it is to the woman, otherwise she wouldnt be going after it with such vigor to begin with would she? Bit of a pot kettle scenario that one
And as other female posters have quite clearly shown it IS perfectly possible for a woman to finance her own litter without help unless she is on benefits of course, but many manage to get by even with just the benefits coming in quite amiably
And as some others have quite clearly expressed, because the foetus becoming a baby only THEIR choice, then with that choice they shouldered the responsibility of raising it both physically, emotionally AND financially and never asked for nor wanted a penny from a person who never had any part of the decision nor wanted anything to do with the child
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Heyla, it is cruel for a child to grow up feeling it wasn't wanted! It is cruel for a child to grow up on the breadline and it is cruel for children not to know their full history or health status.
Well if its sooooo cruel for kids to grow up on the breadline how come so many young girls have kids they cant afford to support, havent concentrated on their education and career so they COULD support one but still pop em out anyway?
I think you will find thats because the "best" for the child comes very far second place behind what THEY want. If they want a kid they make sure they have one, if they dont they make just as sure they dont. The womans wants are the ONLY ones that are relevant or met
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Once a baby is born the fathers invariably come around.
I personally find thats rarely the case
Lots of women deliberately get pregnant thinking a baby will make someone stay with them or will fix a doomed relationship, but thats rarely the outcome and as many men figure out the "accident" was planned anyway it usually kills off any chance it might have had otherwise anyhoo
Its that kind of thinking thats creating our vicky pollard production line in the first place | |
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Posted: 12/8/2007 12:05:08 PM | she may not have planned the baby, and he may not have planned the baby, but apparently God had other plans. and maybe she's not ready right now to be a parent, but that certainly doesn't mean she can't get ready. and as for being financially capable, again, she can get ready. nothing is ever set in stone. things change, and you have to accept responsibility, and be held accountable.
good luck to her and her baby
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Posted: 12/8/2007 12:11:52 PM | ("None of whom will be illiterate non working single young mums, and many of whom WILL be the men who knocked em up anyway as few women will date a man without an income even if they dont have one themselves")
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They can't be non working single mums if they haven't even had a baby yet! And implying that men with no income are all single is stupid.
("Cant see where you get that from as whether someone does or doesnt contribute towards a child hardly means the child will "die" now does it? So less of the melodrama lol, Jeez")
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It will if the mother opts for a termination at the fathers insistance! And we're are not just talking life in the literal sense, we're talking "quality" of life!!!
("And the life is ONLY important to the women who dont abort, so are you saying that money (but their own this time) is more important to women who DO abort than life too?")
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Yes, if the only reason they aborted is because they didn't want to provide for the child. Make your mind up, do women earn their own money or not?
("And obviously the money is no more important to the bloke than it is to the woman, otherwise she wouldnt be going after it with such vigor to begin with would she? Bit of a pot kettle scenario that one")
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It's not a pot and kettle anything as i am saying money is more important than life to these men. Money is not more important than life to me so how can it be the pot calling the kettle black? And saying a woman who gets pregnant by accident is after money is quite presumtious without knowing the circumstances, don't you think?
("And as other female posters have quite clearly shown it IS perfectly possible for a woman to finance her own litter without help unless she is on benefits of course, but many manage to get by even with just the benefits coming in quite amiably")
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Yes it is, but why should she have to? It is the child's right to live, it is the child's right to be provided for and it is the child's right to know it's father. The parents rights don't come into it! How many of those mothers don't get to see their kids because they are working all the hours god send? We are fortunate in the UK that we don't have to because we get help from tax credits. Supposing the mother becomes sick or dies, then what...the child suffers because the dad can't be arsed? Is it our fault the law favours women? You don't want equality you want a man to be able to tell a woman what to do, don't you? If the woman considers the mans feeling and then decides to keep the baby anyway, that is clearly not acceptable to you, she must do what he says. And i think you should make up you mind, are all single mothers on benefits or not because according to you they are all lazy and illiterate?
("And as some others have quite clearly expressed, because the foetus becoming a baby only THEIR choice, then with that choice they shouldered the responsibility of raising it both physically, emotionally AND financially and never asked for nor wanted a penny from a person who never had any part of the decision nor wanted anything to do with the child")
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Oh puhlease! What incentive is there for men to take resposibility if they can all just turn round and say it wasn't what they wanted! Where is their proof that's not what they wanted? We all know men hate paying up, even if their offspring resulted from marriage, and will use any excuse to get out of it. Which is why the Child Support Agency was introduced...obviously there is a need for the service and it's predominantly men who are investigated. What a cop out!
("Well if its sooooo cruel for kids to grow up on the breadline how come so many young girls have kids they cant afford to support, havent concentrated on their education and career so they COULD support one but still pop em out anyway? I think you will find thats because the "best" for the child comes very far second place behind what THEY want. If they want a kid they make sure they have one, if they dont they make just as sure they dont. The womans wants are the ONLY ones that are relevant or met")
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Because they are young and naive...but your speaking about the minority of single parents though aren't you. What about all the older mothers who were in stable, loving relationships, don't they face the same problems regarding the issues we're talking about? See you seem to be addressing the mums on benefits or the mums who are young as if they are the only ones who are faced with the same dilemma as what the OP's friend is.
("Lots of women deliberately get pregnant thinking a baby will make someone stay with them or will fix a doomed relationship, but thats rarely the outcome and as many men figure out the "accident" was planned anyway it usually kills off any chance it might have had otherwise anyhoo.")
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I never said anything about a relationship now, did I? 2 parents are better than one, and 2 single parents are better than a married pair that spend all day tearing strips off each other in front of the kids because they are only together "for the kids sake"! Just because a father doesn't care too much for the mother doesn't have any reflection on his feelings towards the child. | |
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