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Posted: 11/5/2007 3:42:20 PM | icartb
What would happen if she allowed him to drive her car and he got into an accident? Is she responsible because she allowed him to drive or is he responsible because he was doing the driving? Are they both responsible because they each had some part in it? He would be because he took the wheel
Well to make an analogous comparative its actually supposed to resemble the thing its being compared to
So in this instance he would simply be a passenger in her car whilst she is driving seeing as she is SOLELY in control of where the car does or doesnt go, and other than agreeing to be a passenger he has no other say in the journey
So now thats been cleared up have a rethink about who would be responsible using that analogy
That is a decision a couple should make but in this case, there is no real couple
Whats "should" got to do with anything?
Meanwhile back in reality....... Even if they were married he has no say in the matter, its SOLELY a womans perogative, the only right men have is to pay, nothing more
However, if he was not prepared to be a father or willing to financially pay for a child, he should have kept his pen!s in his pants, plain and simple
You reckon?
So that means youre an anti abortionist then?
Because
However, if She was not prepared to be a MOTHER or willing to financially pay for a child, She should have kept his pen!s OUT OF HER pants, plain and simple
Thats how plain and simple ACTUALLY works
Maybe, hopefully, next time he will think about this
And maybe, hopefully if all women were forced to have kids they wanted to abort they would think about it next time too
Ultimately it is her decision because she has to go through the physical, emotional and spiritual side effects
Oh what a selfless soul eh?
Funny thing is tho that most women who have kids WANT to have them, its not a sufference thats forced upon them, its something they do by choice and love doing
So to make it sound like an unwanted endurance is really clutching at dead straw, honestly, it is
Also, perhaps you should try volunteering to do a spot of counselling and specifically ask to counsel men struggling to cope with a child they want being aborted, then you will see that they do infact go through the emotional and spiritual side of it, and also through the frustration of not having control or the ability to have any say in what happens to their child
Maybe if women could experience that thety might have a paradigm shift too, perhaps maybe....
However, if we just let guys off the hook because we say they don't have to be responsible because they don't want the child, they will NEVER learn.
Hmm, well I think most people will know at least one mother of several kids all by different fathers and all born outside of any semblance of a relationship so how about NOT letting them make a living out of child support and see if THEY can actually learn?
when will males and females learn that unprotected sex will ultimately create a human?
Why would they? Because it doesnt UNLESS the woman WANTS a child
it's STILL the law that a man/woman has to pay for child that is born, whether they want it or not, end of story, just because you ramble for paragraph's on end about equality, it's still the law, they both played, they can both pay, period, how's that for equality? :)
Thats not exactly common sense tho is it?
By that measure it USED to be the law that it was fine to rape your wife, so should that law still be in place JUST because it was the law?
How about slavery? That was legal, so do you disagree with that being scrapped too?
Also, unless women who want an abortion are forced to have a child they DONT both pay do they? DUH!
You could at least try and be acurate , its not "paying" when you are getting EXACTLY what you want, and for all we know this and many other women could simply be humping around till they get pregnant not really bothered who by as long as it happens because the aim is actually to have a baby rather tha merely to have recreational sex
So
Has anyone even congratulated this woman on wanting to take responsiblity and becoming a mother?
Becomes a bit eroneous really
Why would anyone congratulate someone for doing what they set out to do in the first place? bit silly that really. Do you congratulate someone for eating their dinner when theyre starving too by any chance? | |
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Posted: 11/5/2007 3:46:33 PM | if she doesn't want to have an abortion, then don't!
it's her body. there are A LOT of stress that comes with abortion; physically, mentally, and emotionally.
as a friend, i wouldn't let her go through with the abortion.
i say F*CK what he thinks! if he doesn't want to be responsible, then don't. but don't force her against her choice (if he's actually forcing her to have an abortion) | |
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Posted: 11/5/2007 4:19:14 PM | Dear Nora:
Stop quoting the law, we get it. I still don't give a crap. If I was stupid enough to get knocked up this way and for some reason, logic left me and I decided I wanted to keep the thing, if the man din;t want part of it (understandably), I would leave it at that and let him go on his merry way. Once again, please find it for me in those sentences that I have written that I give a crap about whatever the heck you are quoting.
And Cunning Linggist (sp?)
I'm happy to see someone with logic posting, thank you for restoring my faith in humanity. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2007 4:20:29 PM | | *sighs* It should be a requirement to read all the previous postings before you can reply with your own comment. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2007 5:56:17 PM | | Cheerup, a baby isn't a "thing" it's a human being. When will men learn that this is the way it is. They KNOW the law. They KNOW women can get pregnant with or without contraception and they KNOW that ultimately it's the womans choice what to do in that situation! If they know all this then WHY do they get women pregnant willy nilly?! Why have sex at all if the thought of this happening to you destroys you so much? I know that both parties decide on sex but not both parties have an equal say if the woman becomes pregnant, so effectively a man has to take more care about where he potentially plants his seed! Abortion shouldn't even be on the agenda! Men cannot go around getting women pregnant thinking that it's okay because there's always the "alternative" way! We are talking about human life here! Gees! I am very pro-choice and i have seen and done a lot of things, i am not aginst abortion, i have personal experience of it. But some of you guys are talking about it as if it's a descision about whether to eat at McDonalds or KFC!!! Why should a man go "his merry way" just because he isn't the one who carried the baby? How many men would fess up to their responsibilities if the law said it was okay not be responsible for a child if you say you don't want it beforehand!!! Saying that you don't want a child after you've got a woman pregnant is kinda like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted!....pointless! Don't rely on abortion or adoption as a backup plan because for many women that isn't even an option! Maybe men will finally get it if and when they can carry baby's of their own. Why would anyone in their right mind think she actually PLANNED this?! Why would she plan to get pregnant by a guy she barely knew and bring the baby up alone? She has already said she wants nothing from him. Even if she does, so what?! She isn't entitled to ask for help from the father of her child, they BOTH created a life, they BOTH had sex in the KNOWLEDGE that if a woman becomes pregnant it is HER choice from there on! Don't go thinking that because she may get 300 quid a month that she can go living it up on his money....do you actually know how much kids cost?! 300 quid barely cuts it in the real wide world! How much money is she pooling in? What is she doing for the child day in day out? It's not just about money you know it's about her day to day responsibility! Grow up people! I'm a little confused by some of the women on here too....most of them never been pregnant might i add!....you see women rant about their rights and yet you obviously want to see a law passed where men can force women to have abortions or keep babies! I mean cummon, as if the prospect of an abortion or an unwanted child isn't bad enough...you want to pile more misery on the woman by throwing her in jail for having the final say about what happens to her body! Sounds like it's erring on Sharia's law to me! There can NEVER be equal rights in a situation like this....someone always will loses out either way, you either ACCEPT it or you don't have sex! It really is that simple people! | |
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Posted: 11/5/2007 6:35:00 PM |
you obviously want to see a law passed where men can force women to have abortions or keep babies! I mean cummon, as if the prospect of an abortion or an unwanted child isn't bad enough...you want to pile more misery on the woman by throwing her in jail for having the final say about what happens to her body!
Oh you make them sound like such poor little dears lol
Although I cant see whats wrong witb forcing them to have the kid really, isnt that exactly what youre also supporting that they should be able to do to a man?
So if an unwanted child is SUCH a heart rending thing for a poor ickle wimminsey folks why do THEY have sex?
As for saying MEN should be MORE responsible for avoiding pregnancy than women thats just ludicrous lol
If women cant take responsibility for their own bodies, their own wombs and their own eggs then they ought to be steralised or forbidden from having sex for their own protection from themselves 
You make them sound like they have the effective age of an 8 year old being allowed into society without a carer
The fact it IS them that gets pregnant means THEY should be more on the ball than anyone else considering so many of them have sex with people they hardly know and could never manage to squeeze for child support anyway
I did actually think of another idea
We could have some ground rules
A bloke could have the choice of coughing up the money for an abortion to the woman, then she has the finances to have one and if she CHOOSES not to then she is on her own, as that is ONLY her decision
Or, howabout a woman has to get a bloke to sign a form saying she has told him she wouldnt have an abortion if she got pregnant and that were that to happen during their casual sex he agrees to take responsibility for the consequences
As this removes the chance of a woman claiming she is sterile, or has the 6 month injection or even that she WOULD have an abortion if she got pregnant all of which women have used when the complete opposite was the case?
The objection many men have to this topic isnt just the gross unfairness of it when theres a whole host of things that would make it a much fairer situation, its the totally inflexible and seemingly power tripped money grabbing mentality a lot of women seem to exhibit
And considering its hardly the case that msot women HAVE to have the baby, but infact WANT one doesnt really help to put them in a less than money grabbing light really
And nor does the total hypocrisy shown when its claimed that "men" should simply accept that if they have sex they COULD be a father, when women arent expected to accept being a mother when they do the exact same thing
If one can have a get out clause when it suits them then in a world proporting to want equality both should have a get out clause otherwise you have an oppressive sexist regime no better than what we are "allegedly" trying to improve on bar the power being reversed
But tha ts the cruz here isnt it? The last thing a hell of a lot of women want is "equality", some seem to want dominance or revenge, others just want favouritism and others it seems just want to do what they want to do without having to get off their arse and finance it themselves
Infact if a woman knows she would NEVER EVER have an abortion then she shouldnt be having casual sex to begin with really, by doing so and considering that pregnancy is a possible outcome then she could be seen to be actively and deliberately trying to have a baby by duping the first person that can manage it to knock her up so she can have one which realistically could be seen as a form of fraud or a deliberate attempt to obtain money via devisive means
Infact heres another analogy
if someone is allergic to peanuts and someone offers them one and they die, who was MOST responsible for what went into their body and what happened as a result?
its indicative of this current blame anyone but yourself for your own stupidity culture we live in when people are classed as being less responsible for their own body than someone else is irrespective of gender
So unless women ARE such intellectually substandard people that they arent capable of taking responsibility for their own bodies and well being (in which case they need to be committed for their own protection) they ARE solely responsible for theor own well being and are, as is everyone else is, totally responsible for the ramifications of the choices they solely and utalitarianly make | |
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Posted: 11/5/2007 6:41:22 PM | Just be happy I didn't call it anything else ok?
And actually, I'd rather a law passed where the man can't be conned into paying for some thing he didn't want. I don't give a crap how much it costs. Keep your legs closed if you can't afford it. I don't see where the problem is. OHHH poor mommy of kid. wahhhh. Grow the hell up, learn to shut up, and deal with your problems. YOU want the kid, YOU pay for it. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2007 6:42:47 PM |
Why should a man go "his merry way" just because he isn't the one who carried the baby? How many men would fess up to their responsibilities if the law said it was okay not be responsible for a child if you say you don't want it beforehand!!!
I havent noticed anyone say that, and infact I personally think that if a man could and did say he didnt want a child then along with any financial responsibility he should also have to sign away ANY rights pertaining to that child and would have no legal recourse to backtrack later on otherwise it WOULD as you rightly point out be a cake and eat it scenario which I also wouldnt agree with
Saying that you don't want a child after you've got a woman pregnant is kinda like shutting the stable door after the horse has bolted!....pointless! Don't rely on abortion or adoption as a backup plan because for many women that isn't even an option!
Actually its not, its like locking the gate 9 months before the horse has bolted
Maybe women who are anti abortion should just have that tattooed on their heads then? That way men would know who to **** and who not to **** and women wouldnt be able to lie about what they would do if they got pregnant
Also, lets have it so that where a condom bursts as a common reason for an accidental pregnancy a man can register the occurence and if the woman then doesnt go for the morning after pill she loses any claim to milking him dry financually
That still gives her total control and choice over her body, but would legally show whether she was trying to get pregnant all along as it doesnt take much with finger nails to "facilitate" a ruptured condom does it? Which then doesnt really come under the umbrella of "accidents" or things that "might" happen because its deliberate | |
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Posted: 11/5/2007 6:45:53 PM | | Cheerup: It's N O N A, not N O R A, for the record :) I think all in all, people such as yourself need to educate yourselves (yes again) on the law, laws are there for reasons, whether you want it or not, and I must say, when people can not prove their points such as yourself, you resort to insults, etc, it shows your age, and by the way, a baby isn't a "thing", a baby is a real life human being, for anyone to state what you have indeed stated, makes me contemplate some possible issues you very well might have, I say once again, it's the law, thrown in there due to the fact you requested I not do that lol | |
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Posted: 11/5/2007 6:52:34 PM | OP, I'm sorry for your friend. It's a hard place to be.
Frankly if she's opposed to abortion she should do what feels right for her. There are options like adoption or even keeping it (though it could be hard)
Other than you, does she have a family support system? This always helps.
Regardless , who cares what he thinks. If she's not asking for anything from him in return, she should do what feels right.
I'm not opposed to abortion, but I know that when I got pregnant at 23 with a guy I'd barely been dating, the instant I knew I was going to have a baby, abortion never crossed my mind.
My point, she needs to do what's right for her and for the baby. Her choice is the one that she will ultimately have to live with. Nobody else can dictate it to her. It's hard. It will all work out though. Everything happens for a reason.
Just be there for her. A friend is the best thing that girl can have right now, while she's confused and emotional. I bet she's lucky and grateful to have ya.
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Posted: 11/5/2007 7:07:01 PM | | Hey Cunning, i don't make the laws. The laws are there, the men know the laws....don't start playing dumb after the woman is pregnant! BOTH people should be responsible, of course they should, but men should enter into sex with open eyes and open minds or not at all because once you cross that line you accept that a baby may be born! You speak purely one sidedly, i am saying there is nothing wrong with the current law, the one you suggest has to much potential for complications! Nobody FORCES a man to have a kid, 2 people when they have sex ACCEPT that a kid may come along...or at least they should! Why go back on that once a woman is pregnant and it's too late to change your mind? Women DO NOT force men to have kids, they invariably give birth and never see the man again and raise the kid ALONE! I didn't say an unwanted child was heart rendering for women i said it was miserable time if the child was unplanned and the woman is single. It is no doubt a miserable time for men too, but they do not hold the cards and so therefore they need to be more careful about their choice of partner, women do not have to think as hard because they have all the options availible to them! There is no point labelling women who have one night stands because who are they having the one night stands with? They are having them with men! Both parties are as guilty as each other. I cannot see how there can be equality when it comes to pregnancy and abortion because as i said before, somebody will always lose out! | |
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Posted: 11/5/2007 7:16:43 PM | Dont be silly lol
I've stated several ways where NOBODY would lose out
the only problem with them is that they curtail a woman who wants a kids but doesnt want a relationships ability to have someone else finance her litter
More responsible women get an education, get a job then visit a sperm bank, the less reputeable ones tho just proport to be wanting casual sex and get fertilised that way
And I think youre missing the point and purpose of a discussion
It doesnt matter what the laws AREm just because a law is in place doesnt mean its either just, equal or shouldnt be questioned or lobbied for change
Thats where discussions come in
I think youre confuddling discussions and debates with a lecture on a law degree because only the last one is a discourse where what the law ACTUALLY is becomes relevant
As I said earlier, it WAS legal to rape your wife a few years ago, but I bet you wouldnt have been on a thread about that topic saying "well you knew it could happen when you got married so stop bleating about it because its your own fault" would ya?
And yet as that WAS the law then thats exactly what you SHOULD have said were you to have been discussing the topic before the law changed | |
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Posted: 11/5/2007 7:21:04 PM |
Cheerup, a baby isn't a "thing" it's a human being
Not at conception its not
Its a collection of cells and has more in common with a cancer or wart than it does a human being
Calling it a "baby" is the sort of manipulative rhetoric anti abortionists use to try and guilt trip women into having a child they dont want and cant afford | |
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Posted: 11/5/2007 7:26:23 PM | | that is a matter of opinion. You're opinion is that at the moment of conception the zygote is not a human life, whereas others do believe the conception forms a human life, so therefore, that is a matter of opinion, meaning YOU could be wrong or RIGHT, and the opposite side of the fence very well could be right or wrong. In other words, what you stated is debatable and not a fact, thank you. | |
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Posted: 11/5/2007 7:35:26 PM | "More responsible women get an education, get a job then visit a sperm bank, the less reputeable ones tho just proport to be wanting casual sex and get fertilised that way"
I notice that you are fast to jump on the bandwagon in reference's to women, if you were downing both genders, I would agree with you, but I see no references to men in that statement, as if men are not under educated as well as "sperm donors", therefore, I find your remark sexist and ignorant.
I believe in equality straight across the board, where I can say both men and women are ignorant at times, I only see you downing women, as the old saying goes, it looks like a sexist, talks like a sexist, etc...must be a sexist.
You speak alot of "coulda's, woulda's, shoulda's", who cares, the law is the law period, if a man gets a woman pregnant and she choses (yes the woman has the choice) to keep the child, he should be held legally financially responsible alongside the woman who has opted to raise their child.
You say men have no choice in abortions. You are absolutely correct in that aspect, women finally can have a choice, women have not always had this choice, men have been telling women what they can and cannot do with their bodies for decades, therefore, the passed law of Roe vs. Wade states abortion can be legal and yes women have the choice.
Men would not want to have that choice, believe me, if men (sorry guys for saying this) were responsible for birthing children, our race as we know it would have been extinct as of current lol Be grateful you don't swell up like a fat cow and have the horrible mood swings and even more importantly, squeeze something equivalent to a basketball through a pea sized hole, therefore, stop your complaining and thank god it's not you as a man having to perform this function. :) | |
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Posted: 11/5/2007 9:36:35 PM | | She should have it AND go after the guy for child support. The guy KNEW that pregency could result from "doing it" and he "did it" anyways. Sometimes there are conquences for your actions , and if are not ready to FULLY accept them, then dont do said action. Fully accepting the conquences for your actions is called being an adult. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2007 4:12:52 AM | I used to think Iraq was a hostile environment... then I read this thread. WOW!
If you, oh my mistake, I meant: if "your friend" wishes to keep the baby, that is wonderful. If she chooses not to have the baby or to give the baby up for adoption, that's just as wonderful. It doesn't matter what decision she makes... it only matters why she chooses the decision. Petty things like child support should play absolutely no part in this. How can you consider finance when a human life is at stake? This is not a time to be selfish. It shouldn't matter what the guy wants, and it shouldn't even matter what the girl wants. The only thing that matters is the best interest of the child. A child needs a happy, healthy, loving environment to grow up in. It is unfair to deprive a baby of those neccessities. If she believes that she cannot provide a baby with the love and support it needs but is morally opposed to the idea of abortion... there are families that can adopt the child and provide the love/support it needs. As long as she makes her decision with the child's best interest in mind she will have made the right decision. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2007 4:32:30 AM | Cunning Linguist: Actually, I am pro-choice, and once again, I will state you facts. Whether the zygote is a human being or not, is debatable, pro-lifers believe the zygote is a human being due to a unique DNA strand code which is present within the cell, the majority of pro-choicers believe the cell is not a human being, I am pro-choice, but still believe the cell is a life, nonetheless, I do know that I do not see MD after your name, and just because you disagree, does not automatically constitute you as correct, in fact, I have found flaws consistently within your statements as well as inaccuracies, and might I add ignorant, sexist comments about women, some of the things you h ave stated do not intellectually make sense. In fact, you have utilized ad-hominems in addressing this young lady, as if you have any right to judge her or anyone for that matter.
You have missed the point here entirely. A woman should be commended for stepping up to the plate and wanting to raise a child, even if a low-life fathered the child and doesn't want anything to do with she or the baby. That takes a strong woman to do so, it takes a strong person period, whether male or female to realize a mistake which was made and work hard on bringing good out of that situation, which I feel from the sounds of the "friend" here, this is what this particular woman is doing, therefore, instead of standing on your soapbox denouncing women as "sperm receptables", one should realize, it takes a man to obviously contribute to a woman's "sperm receptable", and realize, that it takes two to tango, a man should not let off the hook merely because "he doesn't want to be around", where he can be released from fatherly duties, he will not be released from "financial" duties, even if he gave up his rights to the child, in most states anyways, he played, he can pay period, whether the cell is considered human or not, that cell will flourish into a living breathing human being, no matter the side of the debate, and I do hope this young lady has a great support line to support her desire in raising this child, I personally commend her while knowing people such as yourself will always judge her, but she can hold her head up high in knowing she did the right thing, and people such as yourself will always judge women, no matter the situation, your loss as well as your ignorance. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2007 5:29:23 AM |
You have missed the point here entirely. A woman should be commended for stepping up to the plate and wanting to raise a child, even if a low-life fathered the child and doesn't want anything to do with she or the baby.
Actually I think youre missing the point
Youre talking as tho these poor poor women didnt realise they could get pregnant, but the nasty man tricked them into having sex and they did
That they dont WANT a baby but HAVE to have one, so they selflessly and altruistically step up to the plate with no consideration for themselves and knuckle down for the slog lol
Yeah right
The fact of the matter is most women who DONT want a child just dont bother having one, its really THAT simple
The ones who DO have the child dont do so because they are socially minded do gooder types, they do it because they WANT that child, and in an unmeasureable number of cases will have quite deliberately and premeditatively aimed to conceive so they COULD have that child
So someone doing exactly what they want to do is hardly "strong", "noble" and doesnt take anything whatsoever except being selfish enough to unilaterally decide to have a child you cant afford to have and expect someone else to foot the bill
As for your rather feeble attempt to claim sexism, as you agreed men dont give birth to kids, men dont end up as teenage mums so their financial planing for their procreation isnt really relevant until they have someone they actually want and plan to procreate with
And how "equally" minded you are has already been showcased by your total avoidence of the suggestion that if a woman chooses to have an abortion she should then equally compensate the father of her foetus for 18 years in return, as thats about as equal as you can get on the suhject of abortion really
But as I said, very few women are interested in equality unless its the form that inequally favours them, actual equality is a bit of a swear word | |
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Posted: 11/6/2007 5:47:49 AM | Re post 119:
Reading this post, I could not help the passing thought that maybe total equalityin the sense discussed in this thread, is only possible between a sterile man and a sterile woman (by choice (eg vasectomy) or not).
She IS pregnant and that is a fact. How she got is "sunk cost" now. What she does is her business, under UK law. But the implications will be borne by many (fetus, father, state).
When the man decided to have unprotected sex with her, he in effect signed off his choices to her (a de facto power of attorney) and he cannot revoke that now.
The childcare/support cost implications of unprotected sex could act as a de facto incentive for immature young men to use a condom (a vasectomy is not an anti STD measure). | |
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Posted: 11/6/2007 5:53:14 AM |
Youre talking as tho these poor poor women didnt realise they could get pregnant, but the nasty man tricked them into having sex and they did
And you're talking as though these poor men didn't realize they could get a woman pregnant, but the nasty woman tricked them into having sex and they did.
That they dont WANT a baby but HAVE to have one, so they selflessly and altruistically step up to the plate with no consideration for themselves and knuckle down for the slog lol
That they don't WANT a baby but HAVE to make one, so they selflessly and altruistically do not step up to the plate with no consideration for others except to say they've been knuckled down...LOL!!!!
Yeah right!
I agree!
The fact of the matter is most women who DONT want a child just dont bother having one, its really THAT simple
The fact of the matter is most men who DON'T want a child just don't bother making one, it's really THAT simple!!!!!
And it really IS that simple....and it's almost funny that a man of a certain age wouldn't, or couldn't, whichever the case may be, grasp that one simple concept that most children come to fully understand by the age of 11 or 12, seriously! 
It's a strange world indeed....but hey, to each their own, and whatever floats your boat :)
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Posted: 11/6/2007 6:03:59 AM | i have many friends with children (kinda sad but times we live in)
They still live full, exciting lives, with or without the father around. They end up saying its the best thing that could of happened to them. A child changes your life no doubting that. If she has the support of her family i guarantee you she will be fine.
Now if her family wont help its a different story which i dont know the story line because all of my friends families have helped. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2007 6:36:44 AM | She doesn't want to have an abortion...she has the right to make that choice.
He took part in the act of procreation, he shares responsibility for what was created.
I taught my son the following:
1)When you play adult games (translation-engage in sexual relations), be prepared to accept responsibilty for winning adult prizes (translation-progeny or diseases).
2)If either party is too embarrassed or mentally impaired by drugs or alcohol to talk seriously about birth control and STD prevention, then the parties are too embarrassed or impaired to have sexual intimacy.
3)what consenting adults (the key words being, CONSENTING...ADULTS) agree upon behind closed doors (translation-sexual practices), is ok.
You must communicate effectively in order to reach any effective agreement. | |
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Posted: 11/6/2007 1:10:53 PM | "it doesnt matter what the laws AREm just because a law is in place doesnt mean its either just, equal or shouldnt be questioned or lobbied for change"
And with this being said, this is why you are on a dating website discussing this as compared to standing in a protest in Washington DC? hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha THis is why I can not take you seriously in anything you write here, it's more times to none sexist, unintelligent as well as outlandish.
Please discuss change with me when you are serious as compared to instigating arguments on a website :) | |
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Posted: 11/6/2007 2:50:43 PM |
And with this being said, this is why you are on a dating website discussing this as compared to standing in a protest in Washington DC? hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha THis is why I can not take you seriously in anything you write here, it's more times to none sexist, unintelligent as well as outlandish.
Well as I live in the UK I cant really see why I would want to risk being in america really considering what the place is like
But that aside that might be the reason you think you cant take anything seriously, but the real reason looks more like the fact its not in agreement with your views from watching your response patterns
Going back to the protesting thing tho for a second, why on earth would having an opinion equate to protesting, youre on here too rather than out protesting arent you? Or dont you have any views on any topics whatsoever coz I'm sure several of them will have protests going on somewhere that you should surely be at according to your "logic"
But I'm guessing youre american seeing as your grasp of english doesnt seem too good. Because stating things that ARE valid things that someone can do in respect to something they dont agree with isnt in any way shape or form gramatically the same as saying its things "I" would do just to clear up that apparent lack of understanding
Please discuss change with me when you are serious as compared to instigating arguments on a website :)
Well firstly theres no such thing as "instigating" an arguement unless youre claiming I have the skill of hypnosis
For someone to argue with a view they dont agree with or dont think anyone should even be voicing its THEIR decision to do so, youre confusing someone starting a discussion with the person responding to what they write in a manner that doesnt focus on anything said and instead focusses on denigrating the person being responded to so the fault and the issues being displayed are belonging to the respondant or "argueing" party rather than the person theyre responding to
Trying to blame someone else for ones own inability to tolerate and discuss points of view they dont agree with is called transference and is a common way for people to try to disguise their intolerance of any perspective that doesnt mimic their own | |
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