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| What is the reasoning for clothing our nakedness?
Posted: 11/9/2007 6:34:53 PM | | Here in New England there's nothing like a cold day and enjoying wearing a nice warm sweater. I love the cold weather. Right now I am really in my element with the cool weather, wearing nice jean jackets, pullovers, sweaters and my polartec jacket. It's also nice to curl up under blankets and comforters on a chilly night. Hooray for cold weather!! | |
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| What is the reasoning for clothing our nakedness?
Posted: 11/9/2007 9:53:21 PM | As I understand it, nakedness is not a sin. I'd like someone to correct me on that, if they can.
In Western society, it IS typically avoided - but that's a trained-in thing, not anything inherent. Humans aren't, by nature, ashamed of their bodies. Point to the little kid who doesn't relish splashing naked in mud puddles in the road. No, they're taught by their parents that public nudity is to be avoided. Sometimes that training is extra-strong, and results in deep shame.
Me, I mostly wear clothes because I live in Vermont and it gets freakin' cold outdoors.  | |
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| What is the reasoning for clothing our nakedness?
Posted: 11/14/2007 10:33:12 PM | Gen.3:21 And making is Yahweh Elohim for Adam and for his wife tunics of skin, and is clothing them.
Gen.3:21 And Jehovah God doth make to the man and to his wife coats of skin, and doth clothe them.
They were clothed, not because they were naked. But because they were being sent to a physical place and up until this point, they were not physical. Eden was not here, on earth. There is no place on earth where 4 rivers converg. And, so far, no one has dug up a place like that. There is much more to the story of Adam and Eve than a couple running around naked in a garden. | |
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| What is the reasoning for clothing our nakedness?
Posted: 11/15/2007 3:02:54 AM | clothing evolves pretty much as any other
human technology.....just as our ancestors picked up clubs to hunt,the club
gave them an edge than just hitting the animal with their bare hands. so clothes gave that edge
of surviving better in colder weather. in time being clothed became the
standard rather than luxury like anything else.....you dont hear many ppl say
nowadays ' i dont want a car, i prefer to walk to work within a five mile radius, dont want to get that really good job twenty miles from here'. | |
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| What is the reasoning for clothing our nakedness?
Posted: 11/27/2007 2:44:21 PM |
Why do we as humans prescribe to the belief that nudity is wrong and must be covered?
Because it is believed that for those who are accustomed to being clothed, nudity causes arousal. So, it's to deter the sexual instinct.
Most domestic laws in America are designed for the purpose of keeping the family unit together. Could you imagine the high inbred population we would have if lewdness and incest laws weren't in place?
Now, imagine the population spike if there were no laws against nudity and sex in public. People are still tied to their primitive DNA. The laws against disrobing in public are in place to discourage people from acting on their urges.
I'm a nudist so, I'm thrilled if someone wants to get naked. But for a vast majority of people, it's mortifying to have someone nude with them that they aren't intimate with, in a public setting or otherwise because we have become such a monogamous society.
Join a nudist resort if you want to feel liberated from it. At least temporarily. | |
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Nergal
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| What is the reasoning for clothing our nakedness?
Posted: 11/27/2007 5:11:56 PM | Mental image of jogging with duct tape... ouch!
Actually, I far prefer to be unclothed as to clothed. I see no shame in my body, or anyone else's body. It is just a body and.. sorry.. I do not get aroused at seeing a penis flopping in the wind. Seeing a tight tush does not turn me on either. Perhaps I am broken? I don't think so though. I think I have risen above those instincts and found that it takes more to arouse me.
I understand clothing being necessary for colder times of the year/climates.. that makes sense. However, I find that the reasoning for clothes because of humanity's inability to curb it's desires to be disappointing. Not to mention.. confusing. Maybe it is because I simply cannot see how a pair of breasts or genitals can be all that is needed to be turned on.
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| What is the reasoning for clothing our nakedness?
Posted: 11/28/2007 10:26:33 PM | I do believe a couple of others have more-or-less already said this but the answer is.... weather and the elements. Man is, physically speaking, a pathetic creature when measured up to the other beasts... with our only outstanding physical feature being the thumb.
With the passage of time, the ebb and flow of the evolution of culture, being clothed became the common thing... and it's lack could be likened to the lack of a good beard, or any beard at all, amongst the Viking Age Norse.
Keep in mind of course, that this is in regards to general activity within the community. There were certain times and places in which no one batted an eyelash at nakedness. Tacitus remarks in the 1st century of the communal bathing rituals of the Nordic tribes of Germania, and also of various elite warriors that fought naked save for a cloak.
During the Bronze Age in Scandinavia, the form of dress seems to have been far more "scanty" than from what we best know from the Iron Age onward, ie. the good old breeches (pants) and tunic (long sleeved shirt). This was undoubtedly spurred on by the climate shift that began c.500 BCE, which caused the weather to become colder and wetter... thus necessitating a change in common garb for the most practical reasons. And it only became colder in the north with the close of the Viking Age and the eventual onset of the Little Ice Age.
Naturally, those cultres that formed the basis for the stereotype of the "naked savage" are those that evolved in warmer climes that nevertheless offered ample protection from the glaring sun, eg. a tropical forest.
I personally am not ashamed of my body, but I don't think that I would be all that comfortable strutting around naked in public. In fact, I don't think that I'd be all that comfortable at a nude beach. But, you know, as with sex, there is a time and there is a place... but here in the West, past or present, general public simply isn't that place. | |
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| What is the reasoning for clothing our nakedness?
Posted: 12/2/2007 12:17:24 PM |
By OP:
“I am trying to understand this reasoning and failing. It makes no sense to me. At what point did the naked human body become a sin and why is it viewed as such?”
What is a sin?
Many people might say – anything that is banned in their respective religion is a sin. But in reality – the definition is much more deeper than that.
In any religion that was instigated from the real God - everything that is banned from God - have good reasons behind them. Trying to figure out the reasons – is the name of the game!!
Following is what I wrote on another thread called “what is wrong with nudity”.
Let me copy and paste it here because I still feel the same way regarding this topic..
By Me:
“In the heavenly kingdom – there is nothing wrong with nudity. BUT here on earth – it is a different story. This world is our second chance for redemption. What we do here counts. If a particular thing we do - contributes to something evil (even passively) – then we could be responsible for it.
In other words – we are responsible for our actions as well as for our intentions and not to mention any evil domino effect that we may cause to initiate.
In simple words – if a naked women walks on the street with an absolute clear conscious and no evil intentions then – she could still be liable for any evil thoughts she may unknowingly instigate within the mind of a lusting guy and vice versa. At the same time – it is important to note that – if the damage she may or may not passively cause is ‘insignificant’ then she will not be punish for her unintentional behavior.
Let me give you a simple example. Let’s compare a pretty woman’s state of nakedness with a million dollars in cash. If you have a million dollars in cash – would you go and sit on the sidewalk at 3 o’clock in the morning in a bad neighborhood with your million dollars laid out in front of you? Wouldn’t you be asking to be mugged? Wouldn’t everyone call you crazy or insane? Is it not your responsibility to protect your well being and your money – so that someone don’t get evil ideas in his head and decides to take advantage of you and commit a crime to take your money away from you?
Would you only blame that thug for mugging you, or would you also blame yourself for being stupid to sit on the street with your million dollars laid out in front of you?? Now, similarly everyone is asked to protect his or her assets. It is foolish to give people evil ideas that may cause them to mug you or rape you. Of course that thug's crime is huge compare to your stupidity, but you are also responsible for not playing it safe. This is a vicious world. We are here to prove a point. This world is our punishment (not that Adam and Eve’s forbidden story) but for an earlier incident. Here, we are asked to lead a righteous life before we are allowed to make it back to heaven.
In heaven, we will not be subjected to any evil eyes. Everyone will be totally contented there. God will be directly involved and wouldn’t let anything bad happen to anyone. Things that are not okay in this world – will be okay there.
If the outcome of something you say or do – does not anger God and does not harm anyone or anything (actively or passively) – then it is not a sin. In God’s immediate kingdom – God will make sure – our words or actions do not harm anyone. That’s why we could get drunk and drive naked (if we want to) and it won’t be a sin because we won’t be hurting anyone. But, that is NOT the case here on earth. Here, our words or actions can cause someone to be hurt (physically or mentally) or we could easily contribute our share to instigate something evil. If we do - then we could be responsible for it to a certain degree. However, God will look at intentions. If a naked girl’s intention was not to make guys lust at her or if she was not trying to take advantage of them by playing with their minds – then she could be forgiven. If you don’t intend to cause an oil-spill then you could be technically forgiven – but if birds and fishes die and you ruin the environment – then the blame has to go somewhere. So, why take chance by unintentionally causing an oil spill?
However, there is nothing wrong with nudity between legitimate couple. Sins will be measured in direct proportion to the damage it produces. If damage were not present or minimal then sin would not be there or would be minimal as well.
However, if a girl has a boyfriend but she gets naked in front of another man – then she could be hurting the feelings of her boyfriend. So, then it definitely becomes a sin and thus wrong.
A person can watch naked girls online and enjoy it and limit any damage to his own self. But if it causes him to go out and rape someone or do something offensive - then his sin could technically be shared by those instigators (naked girls online) for their contribution for the initial thought that may have triggered the action. It is the domino effect; everything is connected. Everyone involved will share the burden of a sin to his or her direct proportional contribution to the manifestation of that sin.”
Once again - the preceding quoted words are taken from a post written by me in the thread called “What is wrong with nudity”.
Link below…
http://forums.plentyoffish.com/5603965datingPostpage2.aspx
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| What is the reasoning for clothing our nakedness?
Posted: 12/2/2007 1:26:22 PM | Well,originally in a perfect world ,they were both naked.
The body itself didnt become sin,,the heart became sinfull.
And so it affected mans view of all else he/she viewed.
Sin comes from the heart.
In the craft/and wicca,,the body is sacred,,and sex is sacred,,a gift to man to experience the pleasures that the Goddess gives to us.Some do hold thier meetings(rituals) naked,,or skyclad,,and we are taught not to feel shame for our bodys.A man and a woman coming together to enjoy each other is a sacred pleasure.But it doesnt mean you can screw anyone you so choose.
I dont want anyone seeing me naked in public,,because I dont want to cause anyone to go blind,,lol.
besides,,a woman can actually make herself prettier by knowing how to dress,,and showing just enough for me to fill in the blanks.I like making love with a woman who has cloths on,,I want to undress her myself.. | |
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| What is the reasoning for clothing our nakedness?
Posted: 12/3/2007 5:30:59 PM | Alright, I was hoping that this topic wouldnt come up when discussing nudity, however, it has. So I will deal with it.
It is foolish to give people evil ideas that may cause them to mug you or rape you.
And...
But if it causes him to go out and rape someone or do something offensive
Nudity has nothing to do with rape. For that matter, sex has nothing to do with rape. Rape is about power.. not sex. To think that a woman is "asking for it" because she is naked or dressed scantily is a purely old fashioned idea.
Also...
In simple words – if a naked women walks on the street with an absolute clear conscious and no evil intentions then – she could still be liable for any evil thoughts she may unknowingly instigate within the mind of a lusting guy and vice versa
You do realize that this is why Islam has women cover themselves right? Because men are incapable of controlling their thoughts. So you believe this? You believe that other people can make you do something against your beliefs? Are you actually that weak willed in your convictions? No one, and I am no one can make me do something against my beliefs without my consent.
To me, that medieval thought pattern is merely an excuse to make your "punishment" less severe. Kind of like kids hollering "but he made me do it!! I wouldn't have done it, if hadn't given me the idea!!"
Accept your own faults and "sins" as your own and quit looking to cast them off on someone else.
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| What is the reasoning for clothing our nakedness?
Posted: 12/4/2007 5:22:42 PM | | Freya73 , I hope I can answer your question. The Human body was desined to atract . every part of it is alluring to the opposite sex. people dress in very little claming they are doing nothing wrong , because there is nothing wrong with there body. true there is nothing wrong with there body , but if you are naked in front of your spouse your spouse is having thoughts that your body is desined to produce, thoughts of sex. If you are naked in front of someone elses spouce , then your body is making them have thoughts that are wrong. As people we cant help these thoughts. Its not your body that is the problem but the thoughts it produce. In the right circumstances there is nothing wrong with your nudity. It is simply the effects it has, that causes a problem . Its not your bodies fault , or yours , or the other person , it is the wrong thoughts in the wrong direction , to and by the wrong people that niether can help, so it has to be covered. That is the physical reason. the spiritual reason is simular . Jesus said that if a man lusts after a woman then he has comitted adultry with her already in his heart . What man can say that he can look at a naked woman and not have thoughts of sex, he would have to be a fag , and then something is wrong with him anyway. So again it is niethers fault but , the circumtsances that cause the problem. That is what the churches are talking about . the issue with Adam , was a diferent nakedness, it was God he was hidding from God . Adam and Eve hid themselfs from God. Because you see , nakedness is like openness , it creates an intimacy, with no covering you are open , exposed , every part of you is visable. When Adam knew not , good and evil he had no knowlege of any imperfection in him . But when his eyes were opened , he not only knew of imperfection , but knew his own imperfection, thus he was sudenly naked, because he was aware of his own flaw, witch he had just comitted. with the sin he had just comitted and his openess (nakedness), he could not be in the presents of God , he could not have intamacy with him. That , to finish , Is why Jesus died to deliver us from evil , from sin and allow us to have that intamacy with God . Hope I answered your question. | |
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| What is the reasoning for clothing our nakedness?
Posted: 12/4/2007 9:33:51 PM | **twitch**
I have to agree with Never here...
That statement is not only wrong.. it is malicious and downright hateful.
Odd that I am in the position yet again to spout the christian teachings.. but here we go..
“A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.”
Jesus' own words and yet you clearly have not learned this lesson. You criticize those that are different than you. You show them no love and you have thrown that statement into a topic that it has NO place.
I would suggest you re-read your bible, and this time, take that lesson to heart. Just because someone is homosexual does not mean they deserve your condemnation.
All I can say here is ...
Tsk tsk .. remember.. judge not lest ye be judged.
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| What is the reasoning for clothing our nakedness?
Posted: 12/4/2007 10:02:03 PM | Freya, I realise that you, as a mature woman, are not automatically turned on by anyone's body. But are you aware that an 18-year-old man does not usually feel the same? That he WILL get turned on by a naked, very attractive woman? That many men have the same reactions? That the 18-year-old man is not yet used to those feelings and will need years before he finds it easy to control his impulses?
We would all like to live in an ideal world, where people have complete control of their impulses. Sadly, few do. To quote the film Dune:
Paul Atreides: You suggest the son of the Duke is an animal?
Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam: Let us say I suggest you may be human. Too many people lack full control of their impulses. Until all humans raise to the point that they all have complete self-control from the age of 2, it is impractical to expect that of them. As it says in the Bible:
Don't put a stumbling block before a blind person. Meaning: don't put temptation in their way. A killer is a killer by their choice, even if he/she uses a gun. That doesn't mean that we should let every 18-year-old buy a machine gun. Temptation is a very dangerous thing. Best to keep it out of harm's way. It's why we have gun control.
It's why men are not allowed to touch lap-dancers. There is nothing wrong with touching. But guys who touch a lap-dancer, tend to not stop at a simple touch. So, they have to impose rules.
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| What is the reasoning for clothing our nakedness?
Posted: 12/5/2007 6:05:07 AM | scorpiomover
But are you aware that an 18-year-old man does not usually feel the same? That he WILL get turned on by a naked, very attractive woman? That many men have the same reactions? That the 18-year-old man is not yet used to those feelings and will need years before he finds it easy to control his impulses?
I think I was 18 once, lol. What sex you are/were makes no difference, what does make a huge difference is how you were programmed. We have been told nudity is wrong/shameful, a lack of moral decency. Laws are made and punishments handed out in order to deter such behaviour. As parents we hide our bodies from our children, we do not touch our spouses in front of our children, religions takes it upon themselves to further this "immodesty". All of which degrades those who wish to practice it as a normal, loving, acceptance of human activity. Our children grow up believing sex is something to be ashamed of, something to hide, and it gives them mixed signals about their bodies. Then we wonder why there is so much ignorance about sex and sexuality... I don't, it's right there in the control room of religion. | |
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| What is the reasoning for clothing our nakedness?
Posted: 12/5/2007 8:25:30 AM |
Eden was not here, on earth. There is no place on earth where 4 rivers converg. And, so far, no one has dug up a place like that.
The Western Treasure Valley where Oregon meets Idaho is where the Snake, the Malheur, the Owyhee and the Payette Rivers converge.
And that is just one of MANY examples.
I belive we wear clothes, because we are hairless.
Clothing alows us to hide our imperfections (how many of you do not like thier spots or streach marks or dimples or whatever) and keep certain traits of our anotomy private. This alows us to put more emphasis on them and for them to become sexualised as a result. It is not the part of the body that maters but the covering of that part, for example in middle ages Germany a woman could show as much brest as she wanted to, so long as her shoulders were covered, and in pre industrial Japan womens feet were ment to be seen by none but her husband.
Aditionaly clothing alows us to represent ourselves in difrent ways. None of you here have just one set of clothes, and everyone has a difrent style. I like to wear black casuals, my brother likes to wera smart black clothes, my dad likes to wear light coloured casual clothes, ect ect. We wxpress parts of our personality and our mood in our cloths and we also use them to try to convey a certain image. I doubt anyone here would go for an interview at a bank dressed as a punk (if they wanted the job that is! ) because it dose not convey the right image. | |
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| What is the reasoning for clothing our nakedness?
Posted: 12/5/2007 9:09:55 AM | ^^^ Very, very well put Bright1... Have missed your insight here lately.
On the same token, we are the only species who is able to smile... Now if anyone tells me smiling is a sin, I'm going to puke. | |
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