| What is the reasoning for clothing our nakedness?
Posted: 12/5/2007 5:14:46 PM | The what you wear reflects who you are thing is stripped away on a nudist beach... that's thing about being sky clad... freedom to be, not to be. :)
Not that I'm prejudice, but it's a place the “dirty mac” brigade can rest their woes I think . Lol! | |
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| What is the reasoning for clothing our nakedness?
Posted: 12/5/2007 7:09:13 PM |
I think I was 18 once, lol. What sex you are/were makes no difference, what does make a huge difference is how you were programmed. We have been told nudity is wrong/shameful, a lack of moral decency. Laws are made and punishments handed out in order to deter such behaviour. As parents we hide our bodies from our children, we do not touch our spouses in front of our children, religions takes it upon themselves to further this "immodesty". All of which degrades those who wish to practice it as a normal, loving, acceptance of human activity. Our children grow up believing sex is something to be ashamed of, something to hide, and it gives them mixed signals about their bodies. Then we wonder why there is so much ignorance about sex and sexuality... I don't, it's right there in the control room of religion. Interesting idea, skypoetone. I wasn't brought up that way. My parents didn't go around naked or have sex in front of us, but we weren't taught that the body was shameful, or that there was anything wrong with sex. As a child, we went naked. I used to take baths with my brother. My sister used to take baths with my younger brother. My parents were often in bed, and we would go into their room, and they would kiss and hold each other in front of us. So, we didn't have any attitude that sex or nudity was in any way wrong. I know plenty of women and men of my generations who grew up in the same way. But there were just as many men & women who were trawling for sex, in my family and in these other families, as any other family. So, I find your idea hard to believe. My experience just doesn't match yours.
Don't get me wrong. I know that Catholic girls were prone to sleep with guys younger, because they were told that sex was a sin, and sinning and doing bad things was rebellious, and most teens I knew wanted to rebel as a means of expressing their independence of their parents, and asserting their own identity.
I just think that given my experiences, and other families' experiences of positive attitudes towards sex & nudity, I think that hormones like testosterone and oestrogen do exist, and do make people very attracted to people and make them want to have sex, and those sex drives are very powerful. When we first get them, it takes a bit of training to get them under control. If people are not taught about how to control their emotions and feelings in the first place, then it can take years before you get even a semblance of control. I should know. We were quite precocious as children. We were doing all sorts of things wrong as children. Things that I doubt that you would have ever dreamed that small children would do. At that age, I knew no better. | |
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| What is the reasoning for clothing our nakedness?
Posted: 12/8/2007 7:07:37 AM |
By OP:
“Nudity has nothing to do with rape. For that matter, sex has nothing to do with rape. Rape is about power.. not sex. To think that a woman is "asking for it" because she is naked or dressed scantily is a purely old fashioned idea.”
Unless you take interviews of all known rapist and do a thorough research – you cannot say for certain that all rape is about power. Ask any date-rapist and they might tell you that – they felt they were led on (attitude of the girl, revealing clothing, teasing) and then at some point they lost control and couldn’t take “NO” for an answer.
Some guys (not all) (once turned on) cannot take “NO” for an answer. They exist in this world. They are worst than dogs. So, imagine what will happen if girls go out on dates with them in the nude!!! 
Obviously, we will see havoc in our society. We will see more rape. If you disagree then try it out.
By OP:
“You do realize that this is why Islam has women cover themselves right? Because men are incapable of controlling their thoughts. So you believe this?”
Even though I don’t follow any man known religion – I think I know quite a bit about Islam. I think even men are supposed to cover themselves in this religion. Men are not supposed to wear shorts. So, what that means? Women are not capable of controlling their thoughts?  
I don’t think men in general are incapable of controlling their thoughts – however I do believe some men are quite incapable of controlling their thoughts. This world is full of different kinds of people. Some men are worse than dogs. Don’t believe me? Just go to a club on a Saturday night and observe them for yourself. See how they undress girls with their eyes. You want to make their job easy by walking around naked – then be my guest. No! Scratch that! Be your own guest!!
By OP:
“Are you actually that weak willed in your convictions?”
We are not talking about just “me”!! Of course I am not weak willed. But as I said before – this world is full of different kinds of people. God’s rules are given in general and apply to all. Maybe “Tom” has good conviction and won’t use drugs and “D*ck” may use it in moderation and never really got addicted or harm anyone by using it but “Harry” is totally weak willed. He became addicted and would eventually die from O/D. So, short of coming down himself and tell everyone personally who can do drugs and who cannot - God said to all – “don’t do drugs at all”.
Almost all famous religions tell us that “nudity in public” – is wrong. They all cannot be wrong!!! Even most Govt. try to restrict it and it is not only due to religious convictions but also mostly because it is a given fact that it is detrimental towards healthy development of a child’s mental psyche.
Practices such as “healthy humans hanging out nude together” might lead to sex faster than human hanging out together fully clothed. Sex is like a wild beast. Once we find out about it and cause it to release into our lives – it is very hard to contain it. Most of us can contain our thoughts and prevent ourselves from turning our thoughts into unwarranted actions BUT why even bother to give young kids these kinds of thought at very early age? Why put them in a predicament where they have to fight their demons?
I think in an ideal society where kids learn late about sex – they may have better concentration on their studies and other more important aspects of life. What better way is there (from poisoning their minds) than covering up your unwarranted nudity?
By OP:
“To me, that medieval thought pattern is merely an excuse to make your "punishment" less severe. Kind of like kids hollering "but he made me do it!! I wouldn't have done it, if hadn't given me the idea!!"
Accept your own faults and "sins" as your own and quit looking to cast them off on someone else.
~Freya”
Most famous religions are old. However, most rules/ laws are not outdated!!
BTW, nowhere did I say that the punishment of a rapist who claimed to have been “enticed” - should be less severe.
When you break a covenant (in this case - leading a righteous life according to what God has prescribed in some of the famous religions) - you will be responsible for you own mistakes. IMO you won’t be able to cast off your sins to anyone else. A rapist will be punished for his crimes and a naked girl might be (I repeat might be) punished for not listening to God directives of clothing herself in public. Now if all famous religions are wrong and God never really gave such a directive – then I guess it may not be a sin walking around naked. 
p.s. At OP:
You asked why nudity could be a sin - I stated why I think it is a sin in public. Your disagreement was predictable. I knew it was a waste of my time posting in this thread but I had some free time to kill.
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| What is the reasoning for clothing our nakedness?
Posted: 12/14/2007 7:47:42 AM | | sorry, I have to call BS on you for this one, ms. 78. Under no circumstances can a woman's dress or lack thereof be considered a cause for rape. Furthermore, if you are so sure that all date rapists were led on and this constitutes in some way a justification, you need to get your head out of a very dark place. No means no. What constitutes socially acceptable or appropriate behavior in a given situation can be disputed and discussed; however, whether a woman has a total right to wear whatever she wants without being raped for it is not available for discussion. You should retract, in the name of all women. | |
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| What is the reasoning for clothing our nakedness?
Posted: 12/16/2007 5:20:10 AM |
there are a gazzilion species on this planet.... humans are the only species programmed to 'cover' their bodies... why is that? Just guessing, but the rest of them have fur, or some means of keeping warm. Ever been out in snow naked? Not a pretty picture!  | |
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| What is the reasoning for clothing our nakedness?
Posted: 12/16/2007 8:34:06 AM |
Ever been out in snow naked? Not a pretty picture!
Hmmm...
something about subzero temperatures and wedding tackle...
I have to concur...
for us guys this would not do our egos much good. | |
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| What is the reasoning for clothing our nakedness?
Posted: 12/16/2007 8:37:36 AM | From the op:
"At what point did the naked human body become a sin and why is it viewed as such? We all have the same things, just different shapes, colors and sizes. Why are humans so ashamed of their bodies?"
It is said that even our spirits, though they are sexless, graceful in form and beautiful are clothed (in robes of light) in the world to come. It would seem (to me) that lack of some form of clothing might be distracting to the process of thought exchange in either world. In Canada or Russia wearing clothing in winter is strongly advised lest the weather should make us sexless. | |
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| What is the reasoning for clothing our nakedness?
Posted: 12/16/2007 8:08:00 PM | There was one good reason when I was on Block Island--I saw a man sunning himself who was wearing Speedos, who was extremely overweight and his body was literally carpeted with body hair. ICK!! Don't need to see that | |
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| What is the reasoning for clothing our nakedness?
Posted: 12/17/2007 6:25:22 PM | I don't believe that the bible is anything more than a story, sorry - that being said ...
The bible has been used to control people since- forever and rightfully so. Before we had much of a concious we probably needed something to kick us into some state of civility and some would argue that there are many people who still need something like the bible to keep them in check. I find this to be sad, especially because most of the people being hateful are christians and other people doing horrible acts in the name of their god.
Anyway, if you look at some non-christian tribes still in exsistance many of them are naked -or nearly which means it was mostly a biblical culture/phenomenon. Either way its rediculous, I see no problem with nudity as long as its not ronchy. I think if we spent more time appreciating the beauty of the human body in all its splendor and glory we wouldn't be so freaking "oversexed" in our culture.
peace and love
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| What is the reasoning for clothing our nakedness?
Posted: 12/17/2007 8:34:08 PM | You have to remember that Adam and Eve were naked and felt no shame prior to their sin. After they sinned, they hid themselves from God. Their nakedness with no shame reflected the fact that they were created perfect and without sin. Once they sinned, THEY hid themselves from God because of their fear of God's wrath over their disobedience. This led to them making fig leaf garments, which was a man made effort to cover over their sin. Obviously it did not work, and God was well aware of their sin. Note that at the end of Genesis 3, God makes for them garments of skin to cover themselves. What God must have done was make the first animal sacrifice and there was the shedding of the blood of the animal. This was to show them the proper worship of God, and from then on in the OT, there is always animals sacrificed and the shedding of blood as in the temple sacrifices. All this was to point to the one sacrifice for sins that God would provide. That sacrifice is Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God, who through His sacrifice covers over and pays for the sins of the whole world through His death on the cross. The animal skins then are point to the one sacrifice for sins that will cover the shame of man's sin. As the Bible says, The blood of Jesus Christ, cleanese us of all sin.
Today, nakedness just isn't very practical in most cases. Christians are encouraged to be modest so as not to cause a believer weak in faith to fall, or to bring offense to the Christian faith and the church.
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