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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 11/22/2008 8:10:58 AM | The deadliest dogs
Merritt Clifton, editor of Animal People, has conducted an unusually detailed study of dog bites from 1982 to the present. (Clifton, Dog attack deaths and maimings, U.S. & Canada, September 1982 to November 13, 2006; click here to read it.) The Clifton study show the number of serious canine-inflicted injuries by breed. The author's observations about the breeds and generally how to deal with the dangerous dog problem are enlightening.
According to the Clifton study, pit bulls, Rottweilers, Presa Canarios and their mixes are responsible for 74% of attacks that were included in the study, 68% of the attacks upon children, 82% of the attacks upon adults, 65% of the deaths, and 68% of the maimings. In more than two-thirds of the cases included in the study, the life-threatening or fatal attack was apparently the first known dangerous behavior by the animal in question. Clifton states:
If almost any other dog has a bad moment, someone may get bitten, but will not be maimed for life or killed, and the actuarial risk is accordingly reasonable. If a pit bull terrier or a Rottweiler has a bad moment, often someone is maimed or killed--and that has now created off-the-chart actuarial risk, for which the dogs as well as their victims are paying the price.
Clifton's opinions are as interesting as his statistics. For example, he says, "Pit bulls and Rottweilers are accordingly dogs who not only must be handled with special precautions, but also must be regulated with special requirements appropriate to the risk they may pose to the public and other animals, if they are to be kept at all."
The breeds most likely to kill
In recent years, the dogs responsible for the bulk of the homicides are pit bulls and Rottweilers:
"Studies indicate that pit bull-type dogs were involved in approximately a third of human DBRF (i.e., dog bite related fatalities) reported during the 12-year period from 1981 through1992, and Rottweilers were responsible for about half of human DBRF reported during the 4 years from 1993 through 1996....[T]he data indicate that Rottweilers and pit bull-type dogs accounted for 67% of human DBRF in the United States between 1997 and 1998. It is extremely unlikely that they accounted for anywhere near 60% of dogs in the United States during that same period and, thus, there appears to be a breed-specific problem with fatalities." (Sacks JJ, Sinclair L, Gilchrist J, Golab GC, Lockwood R. Breeds of dogs involved in fatal human attacks in the United States between 1979 and 1998. JAVMA 2000;217:836-840.)
On October 31, 2008, 62-year-old Chester R. Jordan of Muncie, Indiana, was killed by three of his own pitbulls, inside his residence. Indiana imposes strict liability on not only the owner, but also the possessor, keeper or harborer of the dog, but they are strictly liable only if the victim is a mail deliverer or other official.
For details about these deaths and others, see The Dog Bite Victim Log and Dangerous and Vicious Dogs. www.dogbitelaw.com | |
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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 11/22/2008 4:58:33 PM | I know I should just let this go, but maybe I have a bulldog in my lineage.
Kat....good job with the copy paste job lifted straight from the dogbitelaw website. By the way, folks, the fine people at dogbitelaw is really just one man. An Attorney. One guess as to what his 'specialty' is. That's right. He sues people whose dogs bite people. His practice is in Beverly Hills, CA. Hey, everybody has a right to pick how he makes his living. And I have the right to not to agree with his choice.
Using Kat's and Attorney Kenneth Phillips's words: "breed's most likely to kill" I did a little Google-ing.
http://www.google.com/search?q=breeds+most+likely+to+kill&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
This is a little less biased than trusting a Beverly Hills atty who has made a lot of $$$$ suing people.. Oh yeah, be sure and check out the killer hamsters close to the bottom of the list.
Are all pits good? Absolutely not. Are all women Goldiggers? Of course not. Are all men a$$holes? I know not, cause mine sure is good to me.
Peace Out, folks.
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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 11/22/2008 7:42:08 PM | Pitbulls cause global warming! 
Big people with martial arts training are more likely to kill when they attack than other people. We should ban all big people with martial arts training. 
I would date a person with a pitbull, but only if the animal has been treated well and trained properly. The ones I've owned would let you walk out of the house with my big screen TV, if you gave them a snack and took the time to pet them before you tried it. | |
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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 11/24/2008 11:39:40 PM | | Could I ever date someone who owns a pitbull as a pet? Yes, I could and would. I'd rather be around a pitbull than a chihuahua (spelling?) I've been snapped at by more of them than any other dog I've ever been around. I've been around many of the dog breeds that people consider dangerous, pits, dobies, shepards, rotties. I love them all. I was raised with German Shepards and they are by far my favorite breed. I currently have a miniature dachshund and love him to pieces. | |
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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 11/24/2008 11:40:29 PM | If we were all to go along that line of defence, I say kill all chihuahuas. Those buggers have left me with plenty of scars on my ankles and calves. Were you also aware that there are literally millions of dogs that are classified as pits that haven't a drop of pit in them? Yea, another thing I want to add before I wash my hands of this idiocy. Each year, yes, dogs attack children, but were you aware that parents are more dangerous than dogs of any breed? Oh yea, every year, more kids are killed by their parents/caregivers than by any other means. Children are killed in more car accidents than by dog attacks. So if we are to go along this line of thinking, it makes sense to ban parents and cars too, because they are dangerous to children. See how rediculous that sounds? If we all went along with this line of thinking, we would be living very different, communist like lives. I don't expect everyone to like pit bulls, they are not the breed for everyone, just like any other pet. Its a preference thing, but unless you have personal, long term experience with pits, please, do the world a favor and keep your opinions to yourself. Your not advocating anything but your own fears and prejudice.
Oh and when you do research, try to find more than one reference, since one reference is an opinion, but many references means you actually did some work trying to defend your side of a story. I am the queen of research papers. I won't ask you to trust me, but understand one last thing, I did my research concerning what kind of dog I wanted, the qualities I was looking for and the physical aspects as well. My Isis has far exceeded anything I could have ever hoped for. She is loving, forgiving, intellegent, accepting, and affectionate in a way that humans are incapable of being. That said, happy holidays my fellow dog lovers. | |
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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 5/7/2009 11:16:22 AM |
People with breed-specific ignorance make me want to stab myself in the eye with a fork.
Even worse are the people who don't know that "pit bull" is not a breed of dog, or anything else. It's a group of about two dozen breeds. | |
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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 5/7/2009 1:59:30 PM | i m really sorry and i hope i dont get carried away here, i'm a vet nurse and couldn t believe your question. what has the type of dog a guy has got to do with whether he s a decent choice or not. seriously.
pitt bulls (and many other species, i may add) are 'trained' to fight. many of the dogs at our practice are pitt bulls and to be fair i'd rather get on the ground and have a pitt bull lick my to death then come face to face with a chuhuahua any day.
the bull terriers do have the instinct to lock jaw, which is when they grab something and don t let go for love nor money and i agree in the wrong hands they can be dangerous, but so can mastiffs, german shephards, rotties, etc. if you wanted to you could train a labrador to attack. generally these 'dangerous' dogs are the biggest softies out there and you are more likely to be set upon by a small terrier, jack russell, shitzu, pomeranian, whatever.
you don't hear about the smaller dogs attacking cos they can only do so much damage , and lets be honest who s gonna cry to a journalist that their cute little fluff ball chewed their big toe off.
as for guys that have these dogs, again generalisation s are the curse of the human race.
either way, if you dont feel comfortable with a guy that has one of these breeds then dont date him, his dog will be loyal long after the dates over. | |
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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 5/7/2009 2:18:21 PM | No I will not. My step son had a pit bull and he was very territorial. We had 2 other dogs, and every evening, I would get my sons, then 4 and 5 out of the car, and all the dogs would come to the car. The pit would start fighting the other dogs, with my sons right in the middle.
I have a neighbor, whose pit gets loose and twice has pinned myself and my daughter in my yard. He claims he keeps it pinned up. The animal people have told me I have the right to kill that dog. And have advised my to put out poisoned meat. But, I have cats and cant do that.
All the pit bulls I have run across are mean, unpredictable. | |
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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 5/7/2009 3:03:45 PM | UGGHH!!! Use your brains! Breed banning is for the uneducated and ignorant. It's not the breed, it's usually the owner's fault. That's like saying , "all INSERT RACE/COLOR/RELIGION/" are rapists. See how VERY IGNORANT that statement is? I am a profesiional dog trainer, NEVER had any pits with aggression issues. Labs are #1 on the bite list, Pomeranians bite, so do GSD's, Malinois, Akitas, Yorkies, Poodles, Beaucerons,Maltese,Rottweilers, and ALL others. They are dogs, dogs have teeth, dogs bite due to lack of training/socialization/poor training, etc. They also bite due to ignorance on humans part. Bites occur mostly due to HUMAN error. I have teeth as well, push me far enough and i'll bite!!! One way or another!  | |
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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 5/7/2009 3:55:58 PM | ban the behavior (dogfighting & lack of socialization & care) not the breed. Had a Dobe- big baby, but good watchdog & came to my defense several times
A man down the street has a 100# lab that I consider a dangerous dog, has come after me & my dogs. Wish he would muzzle it. It would be a tragedy if someone was walking their dog + had kids with them & this dog came after it. It has cut down on my walking the neighborhood with my dogs- will have to go to the park
will admit I am nervous around pitts, they can be dog aggressive, but so can many breeds. Usually its people who have loose dogs & say they are "friendly" then they go after your dog
my dogs are very well socialized but I watch body language when they are around other strange dogs, they are dogs after all. I have a 14 yo male Standard Schnauzer who HATES Belgian Teurverns (look like a shep/collie) b/c he was attacked once many yrs ago & NEVER FORGOT; didnt matter that there were other BT's around that were friendly; he always thought he was going to be attacked again so was "on guard" | |
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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 5/7/2009 4:03:17 PM | | Any dog is like a gun or a car: In the wrong hands deadly. Yes, they were bred to among other things be deadly. As to "breed specific ignorance" [If I've misunderstodd my apologies] every living thing is more than anything a product of their environment. I'm sorry so many !@@#$%^s or folks that shouldn't have any dog choose Pit Bulls. I'm a big fan of accountability, and its always with the owner here. | |
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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 5/7/2009 6:10:54 PM | Op,
I was bit by a German Shepherd (didn't see him coming) when I was 8 years old. My brother has a Rot the size of my coffee table.. I don't visit on his turf. And so, I doubt I would date a man who befriends a Pit-bull - by nature.. to aggressive and scary for me. Perhaps I'm experiencing PTDS. | |
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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 5/7/2009 11:25:20 PM | | Well they can be some mean s.o.b's aren't they the ones that are alreday aggressive and when they bite thier jaw locks................only if your living in a bad place somewhere, yah I would have some mean s.o.b's to protect me but, raise them from puppies that is the only way I would keep them............you might want to talk to dude... | |
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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 5/8/2009 2:39:32 AM | I'm sure in all the posts, somebody has said this...
Pitbulls are actually extremely nice and loving dogs.
You see them all over the news for attacks and such not because of their natural characteristics but because they are the main breed of dog that abusive, crummy and dog fight supporting people own - because they are a strong dog and because of that portion's of society self created dog breed standard. It's really a shame...
I'm more a border collie guy though... | |
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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 5/8/2009 2:42:55 AM | So yeah.... to assume all pitbulls are nasty and dangerous based upon their breed alone would be correlating an incorrect relationship - you have to look beyond to the true cause.
Did you play with the man's dogs? (hehehe...sounded good) Assuming he's not an abusive owner... I'm sure they are very loving and they would quickly grow on you if you gave them a chance. | |
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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 5/12/2009 4:06:37 AM | | I have myself owned pitbulls that were great non aggressive dogs. I have also known allot of great non aggressive pitbulls other people owned. And I have been around some really mean pitbulls. However, all the mean ones were owned by people who should not have been allowed to own them. People who have this mentality that if they have a mean badass dog they will look like a mean badass themselves. It is really sad that people have allowed the media news people to capitalize on these dogs as being so bad, and visious when the reality is they were made that way by some human with anti social behavior disorders, who felt the need to be able to terroize people with a dog. Don't condem the dog, condem the idiots who make them mean and cause the bad reputation. As for Rottwiellers (also known as "the babysiter") can aslo be "made bad" but are some of the best dogs I have ever been around. I have also owned a great Rotwieller, best dog I ever seen to leave in charge of the kids. I knew no one was going to bother the kids while he was with them :-) And the kids loved him. My pits were also great with kids, and I had no issue with leaving them alone with the kids either. Keep in mind when you see dogs do cool tricks, if not for the person who ownes the dog, and taught the dog those cool tricks it would have never learned them. The same goes for mean dogs, people train them to be what they are. | |
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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 5/13/2009 9:59:35 AM | Yes I would, I have a pitt bull and he is the BIGGEST SUCK I have ever known.
It is not the dog themselves you should be afraid of its the owners who don't take care of them properly and train them to be that way.. it really sucks that society and the media has hyped these dogs up to be a threat or a dangerous dog. ANY dog if you train it to be that way will turn out that way. Like my next door neighbour has a POMERIANIUM (spelling) and well it is scary and vicious. You cant get near the from screen door with out it growning and attacking the door with its teeth and trying to get out to bite you.
Good luck and maybe you will met a nice pitty that might change your mind on it all. | |
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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 5/13/2009 2:14:46 PM | havent changed my opinion of pits (see my previous post) & I am NOT for breed legislation. On CNN.com yest- 2 Great Danes got out & attacked a 91 yo woman- she is ok. And a pit puppy- 7 mo old- saved its family from a house fire.
If they arent bred correctly, not socialized, trained & exercised- ANY DOG can be a liability. | |
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