| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 5/13/2009 3:45:50 PM | No way..As much as I love dogs I would opt out....Pitts are hounds from hell.. walking ticking time bombs, much like the Presa Canario.. ugh
Sure there are some who are "sweet ,luvin blah blah blah.. The overwhelming cases of homicidal canine attacks are from these dogs..( an earlier poster supplied stats on this as well) who unlike most other breeds, often attack without warning, unprovoked ....
There is a sweet Pitt living next door to me but then again the dog is female, elderly and arthritic..lol
The argument that the only bad Pitts are the ones trained toward aggression is bullshyt.. It's bred into the animals as it its unique jaw strength and ability to withstand extreme pain...you can shoot this dog in his dome and it will take 5 slugs to down him!
People are very defensive about this dog to the point of childish naivety, steeped in denial about this dog, under the haze " ohh noo not MY dog" ...... all of which is scarier than the dog itself...... dismissing the lethal potential of this animal by saying:
- oh what about propensity for aggression in those "ankle biter" dogs....um, I'd like to see the stats on a chihuahua ripping a grown adult or child to shreds...
- oh it's just exaggerated media hype - oh really? well the police are not pulling stories outta their asses when they have had to come upon a scene after scene across the country wherein a pitt has maimed/ killed someone.....
In fact in California unprovoled Pitt attacks were so commonplace that in groves many owners took their own Pitts to shelters to have them euthanized.. Yes it was heartbreaking because there was literally a mountain of about 200 dead Pitts in a huge pitt dug behind the animal shelter..... I could not help but think that maybe these dogs were in fact the rare safe, good ones and the bad ones are probably still alive n well with owners until they are set off.... its a crapshoot..
When you decide to own a Pitt , it's tantamount to snuggling up at nite to a rattler...
Sure the rattler may curl up to you all sweet like for body heat, or if so inclined he can attack n kill... sans provocation- much like Mr Pitt Bull..
Reminds me of the the more trajic incidents locally in which a 32 year old female teacher made the mistake of buyin a Pitt,loved him and raised him from a lil pupp.. 3 months old....well the dog grew into a seemingly normal 4 yrs old .. and one nite as the woman lay sleep in her bed, the Pitt entered her room, hopped on the bed and sank his teeth into her jugular ripping her thraot out.. The cops said when they came upon the scene at first glance they thought a vicious horrific stabbing took place...
then...recently the grandma with the family pitt... She was babysitting and when the woman left the room for a second, the Pitt grabbed the sleeping infant and ripped it to shreds ...
Here in MA, thankfully if there is a unleashed pitt and the dog comes near you and you feel threatened, you can legally shoot him no questions asked..
This legislation came only after an epidemic of incidentss of kids and adults being maimed and killed by pitts... and no these were not dogs belonging to punk ass drug dealers either...Many people suggested the pitts be relagated to the countryside not an city/urban setting..
I all honestly its sad because as much as I LOVE dogs, I would never feel comfortable around a person who owned a Pitt.. hell, if they are prone to kill family member wtf chance would I have?
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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 5/13/2009 6:25:22 PM | when the woman left the room for a second, the Pitt grabbed the sleeping infant and ripped it to shreds ...]
sepia: this type of thing happens when a person leaves an infant alone with a dog- it DOES NOT MATTER what the breed & shows a HUGE lack of common sense.
So many dog books/mags etc say DO NOT LEAVE the child alone with a dog- any dog- esp if that child is under the age of 4. Infants & small children make noises like "prey" - many dogs such as terriers have higher prey drive than others; it is instinctual. Terriers prey are rats & mice & other things that make high squeaky sounds- just like little kids. That is why some dogs get all wound up & may bite when there are kids chasing each other playing & screaming.
that being said the people who these tragedies happen to most likely.. & this IMO only; dont train or exercise their Pit; buy from backyard breeder who just throws 2 dogs together to have pups & maybe make a buck & knows nothing about genetics. This can be true for any breed so am NOT bashing the Pit people.
It does not change my opinion on APBT's- they make me nervous | |
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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 5/13/2009 9:19:28 PM |
It's sad that you have this kind of opinion on pit bulls. When they come from a good breeding line and are properly trained, they make the most awesome family pets.
Good lines don't mean much, as far as people-agression is concerned. The dogs with the AKC-Champion lines are actually far more likely to attack people than the ones that have been bred to fight. The pitbulls that are bred to fight are the ones that are(and have been for hundreds of generations) put into a pit with only one target that they are allowed bite - the other dog - and three people in the same pit - the referee, and two dog-owners, each of whom handles the other person's dog before the fight just to make sure it hasn't had poison or other substances applied to it's skin in order to prevent the other dog from wanting to bite it. For hundreds of generations now, pitbulls that are bred to fight have been euthanized the instant they showed their teeth to a human.
So think about this - the dog is in an environment where it's got four potential targets, three of whom are human. If it bites any of the three humans, it will be euthanized within seconds. That's the type of breeding that produces some excessively people-friendly dogs.
Which means that the pitbulls that are the ones people assume are the most dangerous(the fighting dogs), are actually likely to be far less capable of agression towards people than any other representatives of the breed(or of any breed, for that matter). Michael Vick's dogs would probably be the safest ones you could find, of any breed.
People are stupid.
You can judge who's worthy of dating more by how they reply to threads such as these than by the property they own, dogs included. | |
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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 5/13/2009 9:23:31 PM | Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet? Absolutely not, never. I would never date a person who kept guns. Guns don't even kill people on their own, they need a person to pull the trigger. Pitbulls just kill, or, at best, maim. They 'go off' on their own without the help of a human hand. Why anyone would keep such an animal in their home or as a pet is truly beyond understanding, except that they see it as some sort of status thing. I love dogs, I love animals. Pets should be trusted family members, not a bomb waiting to go off. | |
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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 5/13/2009 9:43:28 PM | Why guns and not knives too?
I'm 22 - plan on getting a handgun in a few years that I'll shoot once a month and will keep locked up under my bed in case an intruder enters my house.
What are you afraid of exactly? - If anything I'd think you should feel much safer.
I mean, I'd keep a knife under my bed but I'd prefer not to stab somebody... and what if they have a gun.
What do you have for home defense?
I guess an entry detection system is ideal but blegh... monthly fees... bars on windows and doors would look like crap...
Anyways - veering off topic slightly... | |
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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 5/13/2009 9:44:08 PM | That brings up another point - to all the "nice guys"(that means castrated pvssy-whipped wussies  )that are reading this thread, think about this for a second - what type of guy are more women turned on by? Isn't the guy who scares them a little far more likely to get their juices flowing than the ones who will read this thread and sell their dogs and guns in order to be more accepted?
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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 5/13/2009 9:48:28 PM | What are you afraid of exactly LOL Irony abounds. You appear to be the one who is afraid, keeping knives under the bed and guns in the house.
What do I use for protection? Nothing. I don't live my life in fear. I lived alone in the US, a single woman, for many years. Never kept a weapon or thougt of it. How ludicrous for someone who is so afraid of what might happen then keep weapons to say someone who doesn't like weapons or want them is the one who is afraid. Unbelieveable.
Isn't the guy who scares them a little far more likely to get their juices flowing than the ones who will read this thread and sell their dogs and guns in order to be more accepted? No. Scary men do not turn on women who are mentally healthy. | |
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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 5/14/2009 4:36:49 AM | No, I would not date someone who owned one. A lot of people around here have them - I suspect more to show that their protest against those who don't want them in the community than anything else.
A few of the owners around here do take the time to make sure THEY and their dogs are properly trained. But most have almost no control over their dogs. I typically see pits taking their owners for a drag as they hang onto the leash for dear life, trying to look cool. One such guy's pit came onto this property and began snarling and moving toward me as his owner fought to retain the leash. I would not have hesitated to blow the dog away if the ignorant skinhead of an owner had lost his tenuous grip. I was on my own doorstep. I'd hang out with a German Shepherd, a Dobie or even Rottweiler before I hung out with a pit. When I look into a pit's eyes, I just see "stupid" looking back. | |
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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 5/14/2009 7:49:45 AM | wow thats kind of stupid to assume all pitbulls are bad so if you do then here some more Questions for you
Would you date an Itallian? cause their all mobsters
Would you date an African American? Cause Their all criminals
Would you Date a Puerto Rican? Cause they all have knives to cut you
Would you date a mexican? cause their all Illegal imigrants
You do what U do its not the dogs fault who you are and how you train him he does what you tell him to do. Dont genaralize the BREED Genaralize the HUMAN that Trained him to be that way. | |
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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 5/14/2009 8:01:32 AM | Would you date an Itallian? cause their all mobsters
Would you date an African American? Cause Their all criminals
Would you Date a Puerto Rican? Cause they all have knives to cut you
Would you date a mexican? cause their all Illegal imigrants
These are racist stereotypes against human beings. It is a completely different thing, logically a fallacious argument. | |
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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 5/14/2009 8:36:24 AM |
These are racist stereotypes against human beings. It is a completely different thing, logically a fallacious argument.
Sorry but chitownrican was making a point about singling out, in this case a breed, against another culture. (we are all from the Human race) You in essence are doing the same thing with one certain breed of dog. When I was little I had a Lab attack me. Should I inturn decide that all Labs are bad animals? That would be a bit stupid, wouldn't it?
But most have almost no control over their dogs. I typically see pits taking their owners for a drag as they hang onto the leash for dear life, trying to look cool. One such guy's pit came onto this property and began snarling and moving toward me as his owner fought to retain the leash.
These are the exact people who have given pits a bad name. As I said before.... Some people shouldn't be allowed to have any dog! | |
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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 5/14/2009 8:42:12 AM | Sorry but, it is not a logical connection: the two situations are not analogous. You cannot logically compare side by side human beings to animals, especially if you are discussing breeds. Just one aspect of this is that human beings are not 'bred' to behave in a certain way. I understand completely the point he was attempting to make; however, the comparison is not logical.
Some people shouldn't be allowed to have any dog! A perfect illustration of someone who thinks in logical and broadminded terms. | |
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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 5/14/2009 9:54:01 AM |
You cannot logically compare side by side human beings to animals, especially if you are discussing breeds.
True. That would be like comparing apples to oranges but dog breed to dog breed is compairing apples to apples. Now granted they all come in different shapes and sizes as we do.
Just one aspect of this is that human beings are not 'bred' to behave in a certain way.
No but just like dogs, we are taught what is acceptable behavior and what is not. In profile of someone who viewed me, the owner said they treated their dog as their own "kid" Talk about a scary situation? This dog is (acording to her) a 150 lbs Wolf Huskie. IMHO this woman shouldn't be allowed to have a Yorkie, let alone this peticular dog.
When I had my Pitt, he was never allowed to go out or in before me or any other humans. He learned that aggressive behavior was wrong and was the type of dog that if you were to break in too my house, he would show you where the good stuff was. He was always around people and was always glad when people came over or we went to someone elses house. He had plenty of other animals to play with including other dogs, cats, a rabbit and even a farret. He looked tough as nails with his chain collar, but that was because I couldn't find a collar he couldn't break. In time he had figured out how to get off his chain and when I'd come home from work, if I found him gone, most times about five or ten min. later the dog catcher would pull up with him and say...."I hope you don't mind but Luthor and I had Mc D's for lunch." I ask if I owed her anything and she'd say "No, He's good company, but he does make the other dogs jealous" LOL | |
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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 5/14/2009 10:02:52 AM | As I said, that human beings are not bred to behave in a certain way is just one aspect of this issue. It is also that dogs are animals who will behave and react on instinct, completely outside the control of any human being, no matter how they've been raised, you just don't know. That is why breed does come into it. Any dog may bite or even attack. The issue with pitbulls seems to be that once they get their teeth into something they do not let go. That is what the reports usually say.
Your anecdotal information about experiences with dogs is just that, anecdotal eveidence, which is not generally considered strong evidence in making a strong arugment or case.
I choose to accept the reports, statistics, and studies about pitbulls. I am not going to change my mind. If that makes me narrow minded, then so be it. Besides, they are ugly and stupid dogs: wouldn't have one just on that basis. As they are dangerous as well...what on earth would be the point? JMO, naturally... | |
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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 5/14/2009 10:47:57 AM |
I choose to accept the reports, statistics, and studies about pitbulls.
Then if you do go by these stats. and have read them then you know that in most of these stats you speak of it says "Pitt Bull type"
Question about Pitts for you seeing you think they are ulgy dogs... There have been many Pitts in the movies and TV. Can you name any of the dogs? I ask because most people don't really know what a Pitt looks like. | |
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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 5/14/2009 11:19:27 AM | I am the owner of dogs that would be considered Pitts. Make no mistake these dogs have the potential for great harm. They are also fiercely loving, intelligent animals with a “will” to please. There in, lies the danger. If your intent is to own one, without training, and if allowed to dominate, then you have trouble. They are “pack” in saying that, must understand from the outset their place. To be part of a family these dogs must be socialized, and taught the boundaries. Given these parameters, anyone owning a Pitt Bull has a responsibility, in understanding the breed and their purpose. Manage them responsibly. Unfortunately, too often this is not the case.
I agree with other posters here. Understand the nature of dogs. Understand too, the part in which humans play in creating problems for ourselves by owning any animal that has the potential for harm and not understanding the management of that animal.
Date a man with a Pitt? My first two questions would be…”Is he a responsible owner?” “Does HE have control of his dog?” | |
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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 5/14/2009 11:57:31 AM | There have been many Pitts in the movies and TV. Can you name any of the dogs?
Not sure of the dogs names but some of the other movies are:
"Cheaper by the Dozen" - another kid flick
"Babe - Pig in the city"
"Flashdance"
and what about some famous owners?... Helen Keller, Fed Astaire, Orlando Bloom (to name a few)..All pretty dateable! | |
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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 5/14/2009 5:08:55 PM | Pits are dangerous period. But great to guard your drug stash, Oh and don't forget you can make money off the dog fighting. Anyone who has a child in their home and has a pit should be dragged behind a truck at 90 miles an hour then thrown in a vat of vinegar. Status symbols of nobodies wanting to prove something. Now that being said.
Hell no. It does go to what kind of person would care to have such an animal.
Give me the man who rescues an animal from a shelter and doesn't need to prove anything but how far he can throw the frisbie.
When you have seen your best friends cat or puppy torn to shreds by a" sweet pit" or a friends grandchilds hand being mutilated, maybe you can "get" where I come from on this subject. | |
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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 5/14/2009 5:26:36 PM | As a mailman I was bitten by a little lapdog within the first two weeks on the job! People in the town tend to get in the habit of leaving their dogs out in the front yard unattended. Some of them have invisible fences and some don't. As a rule now I don't pass any dog of which I can't be 100% certain of it's demeanor.
There's that worn out cliche of "guns don't kill people, people kill people." When you own something that can do harm, it is your responsibility to take precautions to avoid worst case scenarios. I'd expect an owner of a pit bull to take that precaution to the extreme. | |
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| Could you ever date someone that owns a pitbull as a pet?
Posted: 5/14/2009 7:21:11 PM | "Pits are dangerous period. But great to guard your drug stash, Oh and don't forget you can make money off the dog fighting."
....mmmm Helen Keller would have been very unhappy about that description, as she too, along with many other historical figures owned them.
They have also been used for the hearing impaired.
On movies that involve many children.
Hunting for pigs. This type of hunting requires a smart, strong, quick dog. Nothing terribly "Status" about ridding the country side of feral pigs that destroy native habitat and native animals. It's their job..from a farming point of view, a valuable one.
"When you have seen your best friends cat or puppy torn to shreds by a" sweet pit" or a friends grandchilds hand being mutilated, maybe you can "get" where I come from on this subject. "
I do hear what your saying, and at no time is my argument "sweet pit". Mine is responisble ownership. Where are the owners of these rouge dogs? ..bring on the vat and vinegar! | |
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