| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 1/15/2008 12:16:25 PM | Ok, first of all, there are rules to wearing the uniform. Unless you're on base, you're not supposed to do X Y Z. Only allowed A or B....so what idiotic stupid idiot (sorry for the redundency...) is going to wear their BDU's, flight suit, whatever? That's right..someone who's LOOKING for attention..and for the reason the rules are there...easy target.
And ladysailing, I agree with the work life balance. It's hard for anyone to have. Military, or civillian. I've been called a workaholic myself. But, it's something to always strive for. | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 1/22/2008 11:34:36 PM | Two Hawks takes the Talking Stick:
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I beg to differ with you, ma'am. Those who wear their uniforms off base are NOT seeking attention, or recognition. It is quite possible that they live off base and don't want to change into their civvies before going home. One must also contend that it is possible that they may be on military business and have to be in uniform off base. So your statement about those wearing uniforms off base are seeking attention is erroneous.
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 1/23/2008 8:28:27 AM | | Arapaho, on the same token, I should let you know that it's common to see recruiters flaunting themselves on any available 'tail' in the local malls on their lunch breaks. I've run jewelry stores inside malls for years and was oh so lucky (they should really have a rolling eyes icon) to be witness to it on a daily basis. | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 1/23/2008 10:49:07 AM | Two Hawks takes the Talking Stick:
Tell me something, needer...why is it that you dislike the minitary so much? I can tell from the context of your postings that you dislike the military and that you don't respect them. You seem to think that all service members, especially the males, who are in uniform and off base, are doing nothing but fluanting and seeking attention and recognition. This may possibly be true with a very small minoirity of them, but generally speaking it is NOT true with ALL of them.
I have a friend who has a son in the National Guard. He wears his uniform on drill weekends only and he wears it to and from his drill. If he has to stop for groceries on the way home...someone in the check out line will quite often pay for them and he doesn't have to. He doesn't ask for this it just happens. This tells me that there are some out there that respect the military and they respect what the military has to do in order to keep our freedoms intact.
I am at a loss to understand why you dislike the military?
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 1/23/2008 3:50:59 PM | | Because you are quite mistaken. You do know the the old addage about what happens when you assume? Thought so. In fact, my entire family is military or retired military. I have the UPMOST respect for our men and women who fight for our freedoms. What it comes down to is that I know the rules. I know that unless certain orders are there, since 9/11 no military member is suppose to be wearing their uniforms in stores, malls, ect. on their way home. Why? Because terrorism is right here and that makes them an easy target. There are military members who are good and bad just like in the civillian world. I've met both. I am related to both. lol...so, before you go assuming anything, might want to get more information. I just know more then most adverage joe's. That's all..so when I see bullcrap, I'll call it. If I see stupidity, I'm happy to call that too. | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 1/23/2008 5:19:25 PM | | I am afraid that Arapaho is correct. They are allowed to wear the uniform to and from work. I work with the military. As far as wearing the uniform in the stores, that has always been a no, no. My ex was not allowed to be in public in his work uniform. I believe that even a stop in the convenience store on the way home was not allowed. And whether allowed or not, I have seen plenty of weekend warriors in their BDUs going to and from drill and yes even in the stores. | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 1/23/2008 6:22:40 PM | | I am afraid you are in error about that 9-11 thing. That may have been true right after 9-11, but it isn't now. I work at SEATAC Airport and I see military people pass through there every day in their uniforms. Soldiers in Dress Greens, or BDU's; Navy men in their uniforms; Marines in their uniforms and Air Force in their uniforms. Even I, as a retired Sergeant Major, can wear my uniform to Military functions if I so desire and I have done that. | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 1/23/2008 7:52:17 PM | I've wondered about this since I came up here to Seattle from Portland. Rose Festival in Portland was, and still is, a favorite port for both the US and Canadian Navies. Beginning early June thru August, uniforms were abundant - not just around the ships, but in the bars as well. There were all sorts of rules for a woman to get a sailor hat, but I won't go into that here ... lol - (no, I never got one) - but both navies allowed their sailors to wear their uniforms, and they were welcomed everywhere! Even before 9/11, it was a big deal for sailors to hit the streets.
Living in downtown Seattle, once in a while I see personnel in uniform, but not often. I kind of miss it. Personally though, I wouldn't want to get seriously involved with military personnel because of the risk of deployment, etc. I'm too set in my ways to move from the Pacific NW. | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 1/24/2008 10:31:48 AM | | OH my lord..why did I even bother? If you would read my post, I said unless otherwise approved, they are NOT supposed to. Hense the wearing a uniform in the store, mall, ect. Yes, they are allowed to go from point A to point B (home to work) in uniform. Can even go through a drive through (i think), but not walk into a civillian store in uniform to get a gallon of milk on the way home. That is why many have a change of clothes that they wear to work, and on their way home. (for those who live off base)...and for those gallon of milk moments, that's what the commisary is for. When those who just got out of basic on their way home or to their tech school/A school/whatever school, I think they are to wear their uniform. Besides, a lot of rules have changed over the past decade or two..or three.....I mean, just look at the Marines. They are not allowed to get tat's on their lower arms or calves/lower legs anymore. And that's only about a year old. I know I dont know all the rules, nor am I claiming to. I was just making a point on the subject at hand which turned into military personnel wearing uniforms in public and some of them seeking 'attention' as they do it. That's it! That simple! | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 2/3/2008 1:38:49 PM | Yes, we can enter stores and such in our uniforms. Being a veteran of 10 years myself, both ARMY and NAVY, I can attest to the fact that we are allowed to do so. When I was in the Army, we were allowed to wear our BDU's (now ACU's) in public. Hell, I have even wore them to Walmart and out to lunch with my Commanding Officer with me! If it was not allowed, do you think a Colonel would do it? Hell no.
I am still in the Navy and we are allowed to do it as well. I can wear my working blues everywhere I want. Be it the grocery store or any restaurant and have done so may times as well.
What I do not get is why "CIVILIANS" think that they know everything and can attest to our rules and regulations. Read up on the UCMJ at least and also the Uniform Regulations Manual.
Bringing a change of clothes to work? LMAO that is silly. I rarely if ever see anyone doing that. We arrive in uniform and we leave in the same one as well. If we only wore civilian clothes we'd be just like everyone else.
As for the "attention" thing. I'd rather see someone in uniform getting attention because I know how hard of a job it can be. How many of you "civilians" have been deployed to Iraq, shot at and almost killed several different times? None? Oh my, I have done three deployments, being shot at multiple times and almost being blown up by an IED (that's an improvised explosive device for you civilian types) twice. If the worse thing about your day was having to work a little bit of overtime, TOUGH SHIT!
You women who will not get involved with a military guy do not deserve us anyways. We work to hard for what we have and we do not need some blood sucking tag chaser to try and take it away from us. LISTEN TO THIS!!! It is not that our JOBS come first, it is that our COUNTRY comes first. I do believe the motto goes: "God, Country, Family, Self". Who if not us is going to protect it? We fight so people like you "civilians" have a right to **** and complain about us military men. If you do not like it, go to China! Live in a communist country and then tell me how much you dislike us. | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 2/3/2008 2:34:51 PM | Hey Smart Guy, who will not interact with illerates,
We work to hard . . . should be too hard.
Having been married to military men, I resent your misnomer of "tag chaser". In both instances, I made more money and contributed more to the household than either of my "staff sargent" husbands. I put up with their attitudes of entitlement to their indiscretions outside the marriage relationship. I put up with their immaturities, temper tantrums, etc. I still have yet to meet a military guy who is mature enough to understand that his tour or duty, deployment or what ever sacrifice he feels he has made does not entitle him to act like a jerk. | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 2/3/2008 3:40:30 PM | I am having a hard time trying to piece together what you are tying to say. Maybe if you posted it in English that might help.
From what I could understand it sounds like you are jaded because your husband or boyfriend cheated on you. Sorry to hear that, but that 1% does not represent us all. You chose to put up with it and that was your decision. I suppose you have yet to meet one who is mature because you are dating low level enlisted men? Not to say they are all bad, but it happens to be more so than on the commissioned side of things.
Also from what I gather by you saying "married to military men", I take it you have been married more than one time? If you had such a bad experience the first time, why did you return for a second (or third maybe) time? Just curious. | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 2/3/2008 3:51:52 PM | Susu is a perfectly good writer and is very clear in her words and meaning. I would suggest that you get off your high horse and get right to the responding if I were you.
Beyond that, painting all women who are okay with dating military men with the same brush as those who are seeking military men specifically is simply uncalled-for and rude. I appreciate the fact that you come from a military background and have the experience to speak on this, but Susu has obviously chosen not to paint all military men with the same brush.
A man is a man and he stands on his own merits, not necessarily representing all those in uniform in his individual dealings in romance. The military aspect and how it relates to acceptance or non-acceptance by women has much more to do with one of three things: (a) deployment periods and inherent danger of deployment to war zones; (b) the mindset that took them into the military in the first place and the mindset they developed while there as the result of that training; and (c) the frequent relocation that the US Military seems to so love to do. That's all. | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 2/3/2008 4:10:21 PM | Many women that I know who have married military men did not do their research, especially when it pertained to the military lifestyle.
Yes we move around a lot. Yes we get deployed. Yes we see a lot of stressful things and sometimes some of us bring that home. If a woman really loved the man, she would remain steadfast through all of the troubles. No, I am not talking about infidelity. I am talking about the long periods of being away from each other and the stress that creates.
It takes a STRONG woman to become and REMAIN a military spouse. In my 10 years of service I have seen my fair share of military divorces. I have seen my fair share of women using military men for benefits as well. I never said all women were that way, just quite a few of them I have personally known. I have been privy to overhearing bar conversations of woman glamorizing the fact that she took her ex military husband for everything. Again I am not saying all are that way.
Why is it alright for women to bash on military men, but when one of us puts up a defense it is comparable to the procurement of a third World War? Is that not unfair as well? It seems quite hypocritical and biased to me. | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 2/3/2008 4:43:06 PM | Okay Mensa boy, let me help you with the big words
misnomer - a name wrongly applied
indiscretion - an indiscreet act
entitlement - right or priviledge
Being a strong woman does not mean putting up with infidelity.
As for the one percent figure you pulled from one of your orifices, I would like to remind you of a news story not too long ago when one of the carriers pulled into Australia. The working girls stated that they got visits from approximately 80 percent of the crew, enlisted and otherwise, married and otherwise.
By the way, how would men under your command feel about your leadership ability if they knew you referred to them as "low level enlisted". That might say something about your lack of respect for them.
My question to you is, how did a tiny little 5'6" guy with an ego problem get into a position of leadship? | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 2/3/2008 5:04:34 PM | Wearing of the uniform for incedental trips off base to or from work is ok. Always has been. If you're on duty, you're in the uniform of the day, and if that means you're "off the reservation" then so be it. There are some fairly strict guidelines of conduct while in uniform in public though, as you are a visible symbol of the US Government.
Military members aren't supposed to wear a uniform for international travel, but domestic is just fine. :)
And i still have my class A's in the closet for special occasions (although they don't fit quite as well as they used to).
The military lifestyle is indeed a bit different and potentially more difficult than most civilian ones, and for relationships it's also compounded by the fact that it's mostly 'kids' fresh away from home and their established support networks. It's also incredibly rewarding, and fulfilling.
ANY potential spouse for a military person should be aware of the complications, and become adapt at socializing and establishing these networks themselves. Hermit's don't do well when plunked down in the "bush' of a foreign land and then told to fend for themselves usually :) | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 2/3/2008 5:20:04 PM | Vaxplant, I resent you interjecting the voice of reason whenever you feel like it. 
By the way, when I was married to my first husband, mensa boy was probably about two years old. Things might have changed since then, but I remember his unit at the Presidio, telling them not to stop anywhere in their work uniform. They still wore the olive greens then. This was just prior to them changing to BDUs. | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 2/4/2008 10:32:03 AM | Susu, maybe you should go back and read what I posted. Maybe then you would catch that I put everything EXCEPT infidelity. It isn't that hard. I made it easy so a 3rd grader could read it. And yes I have a vast vocabulary and I know how to use it.
As far as my men respecting me. I came from being enlisted and EARNED my commission the hard way. That is a lot more than I can say for some people. My subordinates have the utmost respect for me and would follow me to the death. That is part of our jobs. They know what I call them and I can do so because I was once in their position. Now if I was some OCS graduate or from the academy it might be different. So many things people do not understand as they are not in the military, yet they think they know it all.
Height has nothing to do with it. I may be 5'6", but I have more courage than anyone twice my size. That is why I am in the position I am in today. Officers get their commission from OCS. People like me EARN ours.
Anyways, I am done arguing. It is just a waste of my time and an insult to my intelligence. | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 2/4/2008 10:43:36 AM | Ok, just to avoid confusion for some people and as NO ONE has yet to post a legitimate source, here is the direct except from the U.S. Navy Uniform Regulations Manual.
b. Authorized Brief Stops. Working Khakis, Utilities, Winter Working Blue, Flight Suits, and Camouflaged Utility uniform may also be worn for brief and appropriate stops off-base during duty hours, or while commuting to and from place of duty, such as: (1) when dropping off/picking up children from daycare centers or school; (2) obtaining gas or other essential driving aids (wiper blades, snow chains, fluids, lights, etc.); (3) picking up/dropping off dry-cleaning; (4) automatic teller machines; (5) picking up vehicles at repair shops or gas stations; (6) at drive-thru windows where exiting the vehicle is not required; (7) at a convenience store or drug store solely for the purchase of emergency childcare or health products (milk, diapers, medicine, etc.); and (8) business conducted in financial institutions.
There you go. If I wanted to stop in and get a gallon of milk, I have every right to do so! If I wanted to stop at the bank, I could also do so. This is only for WORKING uniforms. If I wear my dress uniform or otherwise I can go ANYWHERE I want, brief or not.
Read the whole publication here: http://buperscd.technology.navy.mil/bup_updt/508/unireg/uregMenu.html | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 2/4/2008 11:16:12 AM | | I understand what you are saying..but it comes down to semantics....the words " solely for the purchase of emergency childcare or health products." In my opinion, the post was started for those who'd do their sunday grocery shopping in their working uniforms. Not just the brief spots. Although, I was always told by my family/friends that they were not allowed to...I stand so corrected. Now, when it comes to those people you've never heard of changing clothes.....let me introduce you to my family/friends..lol. Specially down in San Diego. :) | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 2/5/2008 10:28:43 PM | Rakuun, "What you're allowed to do according the manual" and "What actually happens" are often two different things, EVEN WITH THE US MILITARY! Yes... I realize that might be a shock to you. The Portland Rose Festival is but one example of a place where uniforms are worn... everywhere. "Meet the Fleet" is a HUGE event and it all revolves around men and women in their uniforms out at the bars and clubs.
And what ever happened to the OP and responding to military men as a go or no-go? My new job is just as portable, if not more so, than my last job. This one I don't even have to change employers! I just telecommute. So I have no problem with military men. :)
I was going to PM Susu because this is better put there, but MAD props to her for slicing and dicing Mensaboy. It made me go all aflutter and giggle. :D | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 2/7/2008 9:04:09 AM | | susu, thanks for the warning.....but I think...he's an alright guy. :) Besides, if we all thought alike, life would be so boring, wouldn't it? | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 2/7/2008 11:17:26 AM |
"God, Country, Family, Self". Who if not us is going to protect it? We fight so people like you "civilians" have a right to **** and complain about us military men.
Haha, "god".
Hey, I think the last time any other country attacked the USA was in the 1940s.
And I don't remember anyone trying to take away our b*tching and moaning rights or anyone fighting anyone trying to do so. | |
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