Mulva
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Joined: 12/28/2007
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 2/7/2008 2:43:16 PM |
"God, Country, Family, Self".
I think that's nice
Having been in the military, one thing that bugs me is when you see someone in a movie or on TV not knowing how to salute
It's rare when they do it right | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 2/7/2008 6:15:32 PM | Actually, the rules used to be like that for years but have lightened up considerably. As of Aug 2006 when I retired, the only guidance was short stops anywhere but a business whose primary purpose is serving alcohol is okay. It is perfectly acceptable to wear a uniform anywhere but a bar. Those are the rules for the Air Force, I can't speak for the other services. It always amazes me how a person who has never "been there or done that" feels like any of us who have served really give a rats as* what their opinion is. It always seems like someone's brother's wife's cousin's neighbor knew someone who served so now they know all of our rules of our conduct.
Sorry if I sounded bitter but I am. Three weeks after I retired and came back home to Washington, a person I got into a conversation with in Seattle told me that all of us who die or are injured in war deserve it. I'm proud to say I controlled myself and walked away. It's things like that that makes a person sometimes regret spending their whole adult life serving their country. | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 2/7/2008 6:24:19 PM |
that all of us who die or are injured in war deserve it
Then they deserve to live/die in a country where the military doesn't serve the public good, not here.
I'd have asked him to explain himself and then given him a verbal arse-kicking. 
That level of disrespect for those that have died to ensure that there's a society where he can espouse those views in public is unconcionable. | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 2/7/2008 6:32:01 PM | | Don't worry Wpnstroop, for every anti-military anti-war person out there there are 3 god fearing Wal-Mart shopping republicans that would throw rose petals at your feet as you walk by. You *are* loved. | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 2/7/2008 7:22:15 PM |
Don't worry Wpnstroop, for every anti-military anti-war person out there there are 3 god fearing Wal-Mart shopping republicans that would throw rose petals at your feet as you walk by. You *are* loved.
And just a little more regret.
FWIW, I've got more time in building schools and feeding hungry kids than I have shooting. It really seems like most folks have very little knowledge of what a career in the military entails. (I'm not Republican) | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 2/7/2008 8:52:18 PM | There are few things as drop dead gorgeous to me as a man in a military uniform.
Not only is it NOT an instant no-go, it's a major plus for me. :) | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 2/10/2008 2:06:38 AM | Two Hawks takes the Talking Stick:
For those of you who are familiar with Bellevue...there is a store over there called The Whole Foods Market. They have a deli and you can order food and eat it there. I was there last summer. I was wearing my Special Forces/Vietnam Veteran baseball cap and eating a sandwich. Some guy came up to me and asked if I had been in Vietnam. I told him I had been there. Then he hit me with this: "Yeah...you were one of those G.D. baby killing war mongers!" I very calmly set down my sandwich and looked the guy right in the eye and said: "Sir....if I hear anymore of that crap I'm going to get up off this chair with an attitude and you aren't going to like it. The end result will be most unpleasant for you. Do you read me?" His jaw dropped and he stepped back, then turned and made a hasty exit out the door. Another man, a passerby, saw the whole thing and came over. He offered me his hand and said "Thank you for being one who served in Vietnam! I am sorry that you military folks had to put up with that kind of $**t!"
True story.
Two Hawks passes the Talking Stick | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 2/10/2008 9:56:11 AM | Its not the uniform... its the MAN in it  Then again for some of us that like military men... maybe it is the uniform 
ok - a more serious answer.... Maybe the ladies you've dated are looking for something long-term and are afraid you will leave when your term is up? | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 2/10/2008 4:43:33 PM | I see that Two-hawks and I are of a similar mind when it comes to that kind of thing.
Compliments on being firm, rational, and offering the "gentleman" the option of demostrating the strength of his convictions, or his cowardice.
Whole Foods is the absolute bomb. I love that place. :) | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 2/10/2008 5:11:54 PM | You know, you seem like a really cool guy. Are you sure you are not married or gay? . Just kidding. I wish I knew some thirty somethings to send your way | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 2/11/2008 12:04:20 AM | Two Hawks takes the Talking Stick:
I see that Two-hawks and I are of a similar mind when it comes to that kind of thing. Compliments on being firm, rational, and offering the "gentleman" the option of demostrating the strength of his convictions, or his cowardice
He wasn't the first to hit me with that crap, but he was the first where I stayed calm. When I came back from Vietnam there were 60 of us....all combat veterans. We flew back commercial and were herded through San Francisco International. We were met by about 35 Hippie war protesters. They were tossing eggs at us....rotton fruit and a few other things. They were calling us "war mongers" and "baby killers". One came up to me and SPIT on me and called me a F**king baby killer. I decked that S.O.B.! A cop came running over and asked what had happened. I told him that the out cold guy and I were having a conversation and somehow is face ran right into my fist! The cop laughed and drug him off. When that happened all those Hippies began backing off and got suddenly quiet. I guess they didn't want to play? That Hippy learned a valuable lesson. NEVER ANTAGONIZE A COMBAT VETERAN!
Two Hawks passes the Talking Stick. | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 2/24/2008 1:38:00 PM | It all depends on they guy. If I'm in a bar and a military guy walks up to me aks if he could buy me a drink, i'll say yes if I can buy the next round. But if a military guy walks up and says you wanna go screw i usually say no and walk away. Its how you tret us. If you treat me with respect then youll get respect. And thanks for fighting for my freedom. I apprecite it. Maybe I should buy you a drink. ;)
Becca | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 2/24/2008 5:45:33 PM | ok, i can't figure out how to respond to this other than replying to an existing response.
anyways, personally, I was born a Navy brat and will forever be one. in turn, it has exposed me to military men my whole life. I really think that military men are the most attractive ones out there..
but there are a few that would go on my "no-go" list and those are the ones who think joining up was the worst possible choice they have made thier whole life... the ones who have joined for the right reasons, on the other hand, would definately be on my good side. | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 2/25/2008 4:06:32 AM | "I see that Two-hawks and I are of a similar mind when it comes to that kind of thing. Compliments on being firm, rational, and offering the "gentleman" the option of demostrating the strength of his convictions, or his cowardice"
Ok, so I'm bound to end up in Iraq. This is off topic- hope it don't get me smashed, but anyone got any helpful hints on everyday combat life or after effects? I got all the stuff that the army has put out, but like to confer with the "Old school" guys too because we all know that there are things that will fall through the cracks.
On topic- military guys are awesome. Being one I have firsthand knowledge. A tour in HI on a fast attack sub and now I'm army. Think I'm better off in the army. I'll be here for a while.
Wait till somebody calls me a baby killer. I think knocking the guy out would be letting him off easy. People don't know what kind of stuff a combat vet has to deal with. I have quite a few around me in my current station, so I see bits and pieces. Enough to know it aint fun. | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 2/25/2008 7:19:13 AM | I've dated (and talked to) a few different military guys (and have a child by one) it is my experiance that military men seem to think they are better than most and have very high reguards for themselves (just because they hold a gun every day???)... If you ask me they are no better than any other red blooded male that you meet in every day life.. The only difference is they signed a dotted line (most of them did it just to get to shoot people without going to jail for it)... or so that's what I've come to find out by hanging out on Army bases (Benning and other's here in GA) and on a couple of Air Force bases.. (Although I must say that the Airmen are better than the Army men.. atleast they have the brains to go along with the muscle and are usually in the military for other purposes than just holding a gun)... Maybe it's just my opinion (which everyone is entitled to and has a right to voice) but that's the way I feel.. and it really irks me when someone makes a comment "Military men are awesome.. I am one I know first hand" or however it was worded.. Being in the military doesn't make you better than anyone else. My son's father was in the Army, and he raped me and left me to raise a child on my own and then when I had him locked up the army got him out in 10 days and he got NO punishment for what he did.. I tried to make the guy pay child support and the army wouldn't even make him do that.. OH YEAH THE FREAKING MILITARY IS SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO GREAT.. ALONG WITH THE MEN THAT SERVE IN IT.. Now granted, there are some good ones in the military that are in there for the RIGHT reasons and who are honest to God GOOD men (and women)... but for the most part the men that join the military do it to carry a big gun and have a right to kill people without the consequences. (Ha.. and the guy that I was talking to that is in the Army wanted to think that the only reason I was interested in him was because he was in the Army... yeah right.. If the army did anything to me it would make me run as far and as fast as I could in the other direction.) ha.. go figure..
The most amazing, wonderful, best man I've ever known would put every single one of these "military men" to shame and he never served a second in the military. Well I guess I've ranted enough for now.. | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 3/2/2008 12:29:17 AM | | I'm sorry but I firmly believe MOST of our military men (and women) are good people... not just a few... I'm not sure how many places you've actually been to talk to military men but one town but i've been to several and I admire many of them... Of coarse there are those who join just to hold a gun and shoot it off at some random target, but most of the ones ive talk to join to truely serve thier country, family and beliefs... Also, have you ever thought that you could have been raped by just a civilian just as well as you say you were by a military man??? its not just in the military that you find those type. I'm not saying that its not wrong that the Army didn't have him pay child support because I know its wrong, im just saying dont blaim ALL of them just because you got screwed by ONE... | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 3/2/2008 8:29:11 PM | First things first:
The CIVILIAN courts are the ones that establish paternity and child support. If you tried going through the military, you screwed up as that's not their sphere of influence. ANY person who 'whines' to the military without a civilian court order is playing their luck. If you were raped, the CIVILIAN authorities are the ones to go to first, they'll get the military involved when it's time - trust me.
There are certain laws that prevent an individual in the military from being prosecuted while deployed - and frankly, that's only fair. Dude/Chica has enough to worry about while bullets are whizzing overhead. Once the military member is state-side, they're fully subject to both the civilian courts, as well as the military courts for any actions they do. And yes, they can be prosecuted twice (local and federal - all military convictions are federal convictions) for the same crime - something civilians can't have happen.
As for people in the U.S. Military thinking that they're "better" than your average civilian, the answer is a resounding yes. By virtue of the fact that they've had the moral integrity to sign away a good chunk of their Constitutional rights to defend a way of life that allows people that don't agree with them to spit on them without waking up in "reeducation camps", they've demostrated that fact. Unlike most places in the world, we're a totally voluntary service. Every individual gets the choice to sign away their life and rights, or not. In a lot of the world service to the state is mandatory, either military, or civil, and their culture reflects it. That's a huge frickin difference.
Also being that service is 100% voluntary, and does have so many incentives attached to it, you'll find that a lot of people from economically challenged backgrounds join, and the military is both a way out of that life as well as a the ONLY real parent they've ever known.
There are always a few bad apples in the bunch, and from what I've seen, they get rooted out fairly quickly.
I'm sorry you've crossed paths with one, it's not typical. | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 6/6/2008 6:32:13 PM | | Here is what I would tell any woman. I think that you should stay away from Military Men. The risk versus reward is to great. Living in fear that the one you love will die any day is too great. I faithfully supported my soldier until he unfaithful left. It is too hard to build a relationship with some one who is always gone. Good luck with it if you do. I just say if you are going to date one...do it with you eyes open. | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 6/8/2008 11:53:38 AM | A quick note - The military currently has 1.4 million active duty personnel. Though they do go through a screening process, and have to meet certain standards to join, in any group that size there will be a bunch of bad apples! Because of the screening, the fact that they all have a good job, etc, there's a better chance that they will be a more suitable mate than in the general population.
Given that, however, involvement with someone in the military is certainly not for the faint of heart. There are frequent deployments, long work hours, random schedules and unpredictability. Your direct supervisor has the ability to make your life (and that of your family) hell. You don't get time off for sick kids, you can't call in sick to work, and you voluntarily give up some of your constitutional rights.
The plus side is that there is a certain amount of benefit - it's a family, and with the right unit, you have a whole community there to help you out when you need it (but not when you simply refuse to help yourself)
Without getting too political - the military members have met challenges that are never encountered in civilian life, and therefore do tend to stand out from others. This is not to say that anyone is better per-se, but I certainly feel my life has been more fulfilling and useful than someone who has sat on the couch smoking pot and watching TV their entire adult life. I've been to other countries, put my life on the line to save others and helped create a better life and better opportunities for people that wouldn't have otherwise had a chance at freedom.
Not everyone in the military is there for the same reasons. Being military doesn't suddenly give you a 'good housekeeping seal of approval' either.
Last, but not least, not every Soldier is a hero...
Life is about risks - you will never get ahead if you aren't willing to take some risks. If you wish to date a military person, you'd better be able to handle crisis on your own. Don't go into the relationship expecting that they will make you 'whole'! You'd better be a whole person before you start.
I'm a single dad, with two kids - I've been military for 18 years now. I disarm bombs for a living. My children understand exactly what I do for a living, the risks I take and why I do what I do. They're at one with it, and we don't go obsessing on the worst case scenarios. We live our lives... | |
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| Military guys a go or no-go in washington?
Posted: 6/13/2008 9:40:09 AM | I was born and raised in Tacoma and until I married my ex had never stepped foot on Fort Lewis. I was married to the military for 15 years. I can't say I am in any hurry to do that lifestyle again. I guess for the right man I might but he better be the man of my dreams or no go.
I can say before I met my ex I had a huge attitude about guys in the military. I grew up hearing the stories about men in the military, overseas assignements, prostitutes, strip clubs etc.... And, you can't tell me the military didn't foster alot of that behavior. I want to be with someone who has respect for himself, as well as the person he is with. I don't personally believe that type of behavior to be very respectful (just my .02... not everyone will agree. I also worked at the Squire Shop and dreaded military pay day. I would wear my Mom's wedding ring so the soldiers wouldn't harass me. It was somewhat of a deterrent but not much. There was a time you couldn't go ANYWHERE in Tacoma without being verbally harassed by men in the military. That has changed but I still remember it very clearly. I absolutley hated it and it turned me off big time. Personally, I believe that may be part of what you may be encountering... the left overs from that. Gone, but definitely not forgotten.
So, be respectful and you shouldn't have any problems. | |
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