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Posted: 11/16/2007 9:21:56 AM | >>>No one has given up as much as smokers. We no longer can 'light up' where or when we want, like we used to, that privilege has been taken from us
You see, I'm conflicted by such statements- because I honestly do not believe in 'Smokers Rights'- I believe in private rights- and if a business chooses to allow smoking, I think our Government and its people should respect that, just like if a business chooses to not allow smoking, our Government and its people should respect that too- So its not that you have a right to smoke wherever you want(which you clearly do not, like how you do not have the right to enter any home you like), but that the owner has a right to decide weither or not to permit smoking- not the Government or the Tax payers. | |
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| Smoke-free crusaders may now be at your door
Posted: 11/16/2007 9:33:25 AM |
You see, I'm conflicted by such statements- because I honestly do not believe in 'Smokers Rights'- I believe in private rights- and if a business chooses to allow smoking, I think our Government and its people should respect that, just like if a business chooses to not allow smoking, our Government and its people should respect that too- So its not that you have a right to smoke wherever you want(which you clearly do not, like how you do not have the right to enter any home you like), but that the owner has a right to decide weither or not to permit smoking- not the Government or the Tax payers.
Yep, I agree with that.
Scenerio:
A pub opens up with a theme. It will be a cigar bar and they will name it Monica's
It is a good pub, good Martini's, Piano Bar, good Cigars and Art.
The Local Government decides to ban smoking in all pubs.
No one is forcing anybody to patronage this place. It is a cigar bar.
The pub folds.
I think the Market and the private owners should decide on the smoking issue in their establishments. | |
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| Smoke-free crusaders may now be at your door
Posted: 11/16/2007 9:49:22 AM | As for the conspiracy theorists who would state that the pharma companies are behind all this.
No one's saying it's the pharmaceutical industry as a whole. They're saying it's Pfizer. Every major corporation has it's own lobbyists. I'm not privy to every medication Pfizer markets, but nicotine patches are a huge seller, and Pfizer has a gigantic hold in that market. So, saying it's bullshit without any research done on your part, is absolutely ridiculous. | |
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| Smoke-free crusaders may now be at your door
Posted: 11/16/2007 12:32:16 PM | Jiperly,
It's against the law in several states for businesses to allow smoking in their privately owned businesses like they used to............................when smokers 'could' light up when and where they wanted...........................when and where it was allowed. There was a time when there were no restrictions and now a smokers own residence is in jeopardy of being targeted. I'm not an advocate for 'smokers rights', but I don't believe government should mandate, by new laws, what a business can offer their customers. | |
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| Smoke-free crusaders may now be at your door
Posted: 11/16/2007 10:40:42 PM |
No one's saying it's the pharmaceutical industry as a whole. They're saying it's Pfizer. Every major corporation has it's own lobbyists. I'm not privy to every medication Pfizer markets, but nicotine patches are a huge seller, and Pfizer has a gigantic hold in that market. So, saying it's bullshit without any research done on your part, is absolutely ridiculous.
Please, what's is absolutely ridiculous is pretending this isn't a public health issue. The majority of people don't even quit using the patch.
As an anti smoking crusader, when can I expect my check in the mail? | |
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| Smoke-free crusaders may now be at your door
Posted: 11/16/2007 11:11:42 PM | >>>Please, what's is absolutely ridiculous is pretending this isn't a public health issue.
And its ridiculous to simplify it so much- what about property rights to determine what goes on in someone your own? What about individual rights to determine ones health?
Theres more to it than its simply unhealthy, so it should be a crime | |
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Posted: 11/16/2007 11:55:55 PM | Hopefully the next step will be a ban on the snack asile at the supermarket. Now THAT is a public health issue.
I grocery shopped this evening. As I perused the health food section, I purchased extra firm tofu, cage free brown eggs, low sugar soy milk, and organic romaine lettuce. While there, 2 others were also shopping in that section. They both looked somewhat like me.
As I passed (but did not enter) the long and very well stocked snack food aisle, there were throngs of mis-shapen, Jabba the Hut-looking humanoids filling their carts with pure crap.
I love watching these wretched souls unload their carts onto the checkout belt. It actually almost sickens me - much like a whiff of cigarette smoke sickens a non smoking crusader.
I propose a new game show: Have people shop for groceries, line up the carts and the shoppers seperately, and have someone guess which cart goes with what person purely on visual. I would win the trip to Hawaii every time I bet.
Fast forward 30 years: You will STILL take glee at poking fun at the small percentage of elderly smokers who are dying of lung cancer, whilst you sit in your wheelchair, 35 kg overweight, legs amputated at the knees, needle tracks from insulin injections visible, also fighting lung cancer caused by the years of breathing RADON in your home that you were unaware of for some reason....scarfing a box of Twinkies knowing you are superior in your disciplined but hypocritical non smoking lifestyle...if you live that long. | |
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| Smoke-free crusaders may now be at your door
Posted: 11/17/2007 1:36:17 AM |
Please, what's is absolutely ridiculous is pretending this isn't a public health issue. The majority of people don't even quit using the patch.
There's not just the patch. There's Chantix (prescription pills), nicotine gum...
All of these are Pfizer-branded products. Nice try though, sweetheart.
As an anti smoking crusader, when can I expect my check in the mail?
Heh, you'd think, wouldn't you? | |
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Posted: 11/17/2007 4:28:02 AM | | I guess these people think that protecting other people from second-hand smoke is the best thing they can do with their lives. Meanwhile, young people as being hooked on hard drugs, raped, sexually assaulted, pushed into porn and prostitution, and at least 15% of children are being sexually abused each day. But hey, at least they're not being exposed to second-hand smoke, right? | |
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| Smoke-free crusaders may now be at your door
Posted: 11/17/2007 4:44:47 AM | I don't mind the government telling me that I can't smoke in public places but if they think for a second that I will tolerate being treated like a criminal for smoking in my own home then they can wrap their lips around something else and smoke it.
Personally I think anti-smoking crusaders should get their priorities straight. If they all care so much about public health why aren't they trying to ban gasoline engines ? They emit far more noxious fumes that do far more damage than cigarettes ever will and to say that emissions from automobiles have far-reaching consequences is a gross understatement. I mean seriously, if you're an anti-smoking Nazi then you'd better not drive a car. If the game is called "Who's killing more people with their own selfish desires" then car owners win hands down.
Nevertheless, we need cars and we don't need smoking. On the other hand, if the crux of the anti-smoking argument rests on the whole public health issue then give up your license and get a bike. And remember to not take public transit or buy anything that was delivered by truck. Or take a jet , get on a boat , mow your lawn , ....well, you SHOULD get the picture but no doubt "that's different". | |
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| Smoke-free crusaders may now be at your door
Posted: 11/17/2007 8:28:04 AM | "As I passed (but did not enter) the long and very well stocked snack food aisle, there were throngs of mis-shapen, Jabba the Hut-looking humanoids filling their carts with pure crap."  Thank you for that... gave me a good laugh.
You know, smokers are such an easy target. With oppressive PC policies, the only people you can attack are those who engage in willful behaviours. This is really strange! I have a theory... I think humans have this need to discrimminate. It has become a total social "faux pas" to question people's behaviours that are based on religion or ethnicity, (even if these go against modern western thought and behaviour) so targetting people for "habits" or choices is gaining popularity. I'll give an example. When I tell people that I don't consume meat, because of my own disgust for how farm animals are treated like mere objects, people react in such an emotional way. They don't hesitate in calling me stupid or irrational. On the other hand, if I were to tell people that I restrict certain things in my diet because of the religion I was born into, this would be more socially acceptable. The same goes with smoking. It's a choice, sure a poor choice, but a choice just the same. Obesity is a choice too, if someone looks like a "Jabba the Hut-looking humanoid", they pretty much choose to look that way because they choose the foods they put into their faces.
Maybe I'll go to some mountain somewhere and claim some voice spoke to me and said that smoking was the closest thing to godliness... perhaps then it will be accepted.
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Posted: 11/17/2007 5:52:39 PM |
As an anti smoking crusader, when can I expect my check in the mail? quote]]
CHECK, You right you are an anti smoking crusader.
There was your check. Or were you talking about money? If you were you won't get a cheque. That is because. We have to use the money, in education. Then maybe you might get a cheque if you spely it right. You did get your cheque. Remember the Ralph's bucks?
Do you know how much money your prov.? collects in Tobacco taxes?
How much the gov't spends on health care for smoking related illinesses? | |
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Posted: 11/27/2007 8:13:33 PM |
Self-righteous? Perhaps not so since everybody's tax money goes to the health care and curing smoking related illnesses.
Smoking related health care cost is so minimal compared to what the overweight population of the U.S. creates it's ridiculous to even mention. When are we going to start taxing all the foods ridiculously that are really causing the most health care problems? Smoking wasn't an issue until a certain surgeon general took office and then it exploded. One man has so many believing fallasies for governmental gain. Second hand smoke. Get real. Complain about the smell, at least that is true, it does smell.
Reports state breathing LA air is equal to smoking 3 packs a day. Why aren't they dropping like flies early in life? How can anyone reach old age there? Use some logic here people. Eat eggs, don't eat eggs, eat eggs, don't eat eggs, it never ends. Whichever lobbyist has the most strength determines what is true, but it isn't truth, it's doublespeak and doublethink. Wake up.
Oh, and the tax money from cigarettes? Do you really think it is used as they first stated it would be? Yeah right, just like Social Security hasn't changed how it works either since inception. | |
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| Smoke-free crusaders may now be at your door
Posted: 11/27/2007 10:18:44 PM | Heh, you'd think, wouldn't you?
no. You'd think.
Me I know better.
I find it amusing that smokers are so willing to ignore the influence of the tobacco lobby, but fear a boogyman has somehow subverted the entire medical field, along with the political process in nearly every western country in the world.
All this talk of fat people is simply a red herring. Yes yes, being fat is bad, and unhealthy.
Thats neither here nor there. You can be concerned about two health issues at the same time you know. | |
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Posted: 11/28/2007 3:00:55 AM | Here in Canada. The age of concent is 14 years old (For Sex) 16 in other counrties.
You can not legally smoke until 18.
So it is legal for a person 40 to have sex with a child of 14. ( As long as the elder person is not in a postion of authoriy). You can not give a person under 18 a cig.
So your 16 year old daughter go up to a 30 year old guy. Wants a cig. WOW a no no there.
OR
She can go up to the same 30 year man and say, "take me home and have sex with me." Legal
I hope my daughter would ask for a cig. | |
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Posted: 11/28/2007 3:06:39 AM |
No one is forcing anybody to patronage this place. It is a cigar bar
Problem with that. Is the ex-smokers and some non-smokers, think it is thier devine right to go into that bar to have fun with out the 2nd hand smoke.
My opinion is that ex-smokers (who do most of the complaining), Had the will power to quit smoking. Being around a smoking establishment, would fall and start smoking again. | |
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Posted: 11/28/2007 9:46:01 AM | From the original post:
Davis County, Utah, has extended its [smoking] ban to...cemeteries.
Presumably, this is so that those being baptized posthumously by the Mormons don't suffer unnecessarily. | |
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Posted: 11/28/2007 11:50:15 AM | | I'll be nice when everyone finally has the wisdom to quit. One less thing to cause bad moods; one less thing to eat at your savings plan; one less thing to include as an expense in your retirement plan; one less reason to buy air fresheners; one less reason the rooms need painting; one less reason for fire to start; one less reason you might get cancer; one less reason not to receive a kiss. | |
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| Smoke-free crusaders may now be at your door
Posted: 11/28/2007 1:07:58 PM | The one thing I find funny is the anti-smoking Nazi's raised holy hell when one of the tobacco companies started flavoring their cigarettes in an attempt to boost sales.
It's because it was being marketed to kids.
As to the rest. why the hell is the government so interested in tobacco smoking PREVENTION if it's all just a conpiracy to get people to use the patch.
Oh well, I don't expect you to be reasonable. Addicts never are about their particular addictions. | |
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Posted: 11/28/2007 1:37:26 PM | >>>
Pharmaceutical company $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
He's saying, if the Pharmaceutical Company's lobbyists have Washington in their pocket, then why would Washington slowly make their cash cow useless? | |
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Posted: 11/28/2007 1:58:34 PM | | I find the vehemence on the part of anti smoking crusaders appalling. Aren't there more important things for you people to worry about than what a person does in their own home? Seriously, in most Canadian provinces (if not all) smoking has been banned in all public places. What more do you want? Already smokers are being treated like crack addicts. Actually, it would be easier to snort a line of Coke in a bar than it would be to smoke a cigarette. Pretty ridiculous... | |
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Posted: 11/28/2007 2:03:20 PM |
Already smokers are being treated like crack addicts
actually we are treated worse,...and cigarrets aren't even illegal to buy,...YET!
I'm sure that's next | |
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Posted: 11/28/2007 2:04:56 PM | Say that three time and click your heels and it may come true. Bring kids into it, usual anti-smoker tactic.
Hey I didn't bring kids into it. The tobacco companies did when they produced mascots and flavours to market to kids.
Hey check this out! An old commercial for Winstons...
http://www.videovat.com/videos/1274/the-flintstones-smoking-commercial.aspx
He's saying, if the Pharmaceutical Company's lobbyists have Washington in their pocket, then why would Washington slowly make their cash cow useless?
Exactly. Also, remember this isn't just in Washington. The entire industrialized world is trying to reduce smoking.
actually we are treated worse,...and cigarrets aren't even illegal to buy,...
I'm pretty sure the fine is much higher for smoking crack in a bar than smoking tobacco. | |
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| Smoke-free crusaders may now be at your door
Posted: 11/28/2007 2:14:31 PM |
I'm pretty sure the fine is much higher for smoking crack in a bar than smoking tobacco.
don't be too sure,....
first someone has to complain that the crack is infringing on their crack free air,....
and how likely is that,....
I wonder how many of those folks that complain about my smoke,...actually do crack, or any one of the myriad of drugs,....or even drink to beyond safe levels? | |
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| Smoke-free crusaders may now be at your door
Posted: 11/28/2007 2:28:34 PM |
don't be too sure,....
first someone has to complain that the crack is infringing on their crack free air,....
Ummmm so you're saying you have to be caught. Just like smoking.
and how likely is that,....
Try smoking crack in a bar, you'll find out.
I wonder how many of those folks that complain about my smoke,...actually do crack, or any one of the myriad of drugs,....or even drink to beyond safe levels?
Well most crack smokers smoke tobacco, so you won't find much help there. Also, drinkers are much more likely to smoke as well. | |
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