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| Do you really support our troops?
Posted: 11/22/2007 7:59:55 PM | | Hey Midnight, you don't have too preach too the choir, my son is in Afghanistan, but like I said in an earlier post, your daughter signed up on her own free accord, she was not drafted.... And thank you for your sacrifice, there are alot of us that are sacrifficing right along with you, so your not alone, all branches of the service are secretive during war time, that goes with the territory... MG the Christian Science Monitor as you pointed out was published by scientist, scientist on the whole are leftist... And you can keep posting article after article, thats all you do, that doesn't impress me nor sway me...Everything you post is jingoistic in nature....The Military men and women of the United States are the greatest fighting force in the world...And as an American I'm proud of them, and sooo glad that I live in the Greatest Country in the world.... | |
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| Do you really support our troops?
Posted: 11/22/2007 8:06:14 PM | Are all these military men and American government officials somehow magically "leftist" too ?
Here's a CIA report , are THEY now leftist too ?
C'mon Mg you know the C.IA. is filled with leftists.
Just look at the c.i.a's history. In the 1953 Iranian coup d'état, the United Kingdom and the United States orchestrated the overthrow of the democratically-elected administration of Prime Minister Mohammed Mosaddeq and his cabinet from power. The support of the coup was carried out, using widespread bribery[1] in a covert operation by Kermit Roosevelt, Jr. for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). According to a report on the BBC, Britain, motivated by its desire to control Iranian oil fields, contributed to funding for the widespread bribery of Iranian officials, news media and others. The project to overthrow Iran's government was codenamed Operation Ajax (officially TP-AJAX).[2] The coup re-installed Mohammad Reza Pahlavi in the primary position of power. In 2000, former U.S. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, during the administration of President Bill Clinton, called it a "setback for democratic government" in Iran.[3] Just one example. | |
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| Do you really support our troops?
Posted: 11/22/2007 8:19:12 PM | ...And as an American I'm proud of them, and sooo glad that I live in the Greatest Country in the world....
Thats fine do you ever question the U.S. governments actions? | |
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| Do you really support our troops?
Posted: 11/22/2007 10:18:50 PM | | Sure I do, on many things, especially on the Illegal Immigration issue, but after 9/11 I never question this war on IslamoFacism.... Many here seem too forget about the USS Cole, the Embassies in Africa, the first world trade center bombings, the marine barracks, this war was started long before Bush got in office, he just had the balls too stand up too them.... If the Muslim extremist get thier way, you think Bush is a neocon, these folks we are fighting are so far right, that every homosexual, premarital sex female, and everything else they don't agree with will be dead and we will be living like them....Any culture that advocates thier young children strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up innocent people is no religion too feel sorry for, and i don't feel sorry for any of them the sooner they are wiped off the face of this earth the better.... | |
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| Do you really support our troops?
Posted: 11/22/2007 10:28:34 PM | So called Christians have killed far more Muslims than the other way around!
How many Americans have died as a result of their aggression?
10,000? That would be a generous estimate.
Because o our aggresion, I would say a onservative estimate of thier death toll would be at least near a million. Factor in wounds as well, and that would be far more than 100-1.
This isn't going to make things safer, it is going to prolong the hatred for generations.
You want to make the world safer, eliminate our need for oil! If it wasn't of value, they would be figting eacch other with bows and arrows. It is our dependance on oil that has enabled that region to be so powerful. If you thnk anything positive is coming out of our involvement in Iraq, you aren't paying attention. | |
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| Do you really support our troops?
Posted: 11/22/2007 10:38:16 PM |
he just had the balls too stand up too them
With the end result he wound up neutering the military, by overextending it and not having a clear exit strategy. Wars are easy to start, and much more difficult to stop. They create complex situations, which in turn present new challenges. They drain huge amounts of money and resources from the economy, along with their toll of the men and women fighting them.
If the Muslim extremist get thier way, you think Bush is a neocon, these folks we are fighting are so far right, that every homosexual, premarital sex female, and everything else they don't agree with will be dead and we will be living like them
Against the Germans, Japanese, and Soviet Union , the US never started to shake in it's boots. Against a small group of fanatics, it does ?
Take the total number of Americans killed in terrorist attacks, even from the Sixties to today, and you are looking at a small number of people. The "fear factor" from such death far exceeds any real danger to any American in the USA. You are in far more danger driving to the mall, than you are from any terrorist attack.
Yet ironically, some of the same supporters of the war use exactly this same type of logic to show how "few" troops are dying in this war. This is supposed to somehow be a good thing.
Terrorism is a modern fact, and we've been living with it since the Sixties. It won't ever go away, no matter what is done against it. If the wrong things are done against it, the climate only worsens not just for the world, but for the troops most exposed to danger. | |
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| Do you really support our troops?
Posted: 11/22/2007 11:02:15 PM | | MG, what we have in Iraq is nothing of our military prowess, if we unleashed our full aerial arsenal, you know as well as i do, that war would have been over in 2days, you know that..... | |
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| Do you really support our troops?
Posted: 11/22/2007 11:14:06 PM |
You want to make the world safer, eliminate our need for oil!
This is something that is really easy to say, but much harder to do.
I read an interesting fact the other day about ethanol.
If you ran all of your farm equipment on ethanol, you would use more ethanol harvesting the crop than you would produce from the harvest.
There are ways we can reduce our demand on oil, but even those wont have much of an effect. Trucks have to roll, factories have to run, planes and ships have to move to keep the world going.
To the "No Blood For Oil" crowd: How do you get to work every day? How do you heat your home? That keyboard you are clacking away on is made from plastic isnt it?
Ever fly anywhere?
I could go on and on and on but you get the drift.
Just making statements like "We are too dependent on oil" or the laughable quote at the beginning of this forum do nothing for the debate and dont present any real solutions. | |
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| Do you really support our troops?
Posted: 11/23/2007 3:43:32 AM |
Any culture that advocates thier young children strapping bombs to themselves and blowing up innocent people is no religion too feel sorry for, and i don't feel sorry for any of them the sooner they are wiped off the face of this earth the better....
Just how many troops is it going to take to take out every single Muslim in the world ?
There are about a billion Muslims in the world, so I'd start putting some extra shifts to work over at Northrup-Grumann for ....about the next several decades.
Advocating genocide against an entire people is perhaps not the best way to stand up for democracy and Christianity either - is it ?
Statements like that show that you know absolutely nothing about Islam, it's vast history, and it's wide range of beliefs. That's not supporting the troops, it's a simplistic and jingoistic belief in some fictional black and white world.
There is no "one" Islam, it's divided between the Sunni , Shia, and Sufi sects.
Within those sects there are a small minority of extremists , violent religious fundamentalists, who (like any of their kind, even Christians) use religion to control people and gain power.
Walking around talking about wiping an entire religion of a billion people off the map isn't going to be making the troops any safer, as it simply means any Muslim not currently fighting those same troops is going to be hurrying up to sign up - before the lines start to extend around the block.
Fighting extremism and ignorance with more extremism and ignorance isn't going to improve the situation for anyone on either side. | |
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| Do you really support our troops?
Posted: 11/23/2007 4:44:09 AM | Well said.
I dare not address the lad, as he has already proven hostile....this is what the military has done to him.. he's what we call a dead man walking.
it's shocking really as i troll thru the forums i see this alot...the hoohaw bravado of enlisted military.....they all sound the same and they love it! herd mentality perfected to the finest degree.... ya'all march real pretty in a straight line now....HUP!!!
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| Do you really support our troops?
Posted: 11/23/2007 7:43:33 AM | | Ms. Bla8ant is obviously not a supporter of the U.S. Military! What is essentially wrong with the enlisted military taking a lot of pride in their job and what we are doing? We are not merely sheep but a group of people who are proudly doing our job that everyone else is just given the opportunity to discuss and form their opinions. I understand when people say they support our troops but not the war. It is just hard to pick up on that realization when you come home, the news is on, and all you see is people againt the war. It doesn't give you that warm and fuzzy. During World War 2 the American public as a whole came together and supported our troops. The level of morale was high and people were proud to serve their country. In this day in age, it seems as no one supports the war effort, therefore the troops who are about to go get demoralized, and then we have to keep bringing up the question, "Do we really support our troops!". It doesn't seem that way if the question even needs to be asked. I know everyone is entitled to their opinion and that is mine. | |
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| Do you really support our troops?
Posted: 11/23/2007 8:03:08 AM | [quote during ww2 the American public came as a whole came together and supported our troops
Yes ,well they were more or less drafted .There was rationing for the war effort the big diff in ww2 is they were asked to or forced to participate.This administration has
gone out of the way not to draft people(blackwater mercs) the only thing that has been asked is to keep shopping, spend ,spend, spend not save the exact opposite of ww 2.
That is why most don't relate they are not being asked to sacrifice only military families are. | |
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| Do you really support our troops?
Posted: 11/23/2007 8:28:23 AM | there are ways we can reduce the demand for oil,but even those won't have much of an effect.Trucks have to roll,factories have to run,planes and ships have move to keep to keep the world going.
Yes but ask do they have to all be powered by oil? You may think so,BUT is it not true till oil was discovered and uses for it were discovered ships sailed all over the world,product moved all over the world before oil. It will take a MASSIVE shift ,no doubt to wean oil but it is not impossible, to rollover and whine there is nothing that can be done to change that is defeatism.
The keyboard is plastic(not all plastic has to be made from oil there used to be plastic made from wood cellulose)They are experimenting with plastic made from starch, crops are genetically modified,BUT, homes were heated ,lives were lived just fine before the world was ruled by oil.
" we are too dependent on oil" No we are dependent on our dependency of it,and we don't have to be.
Does it take mor ethanol to bring in the crop than a farmer can grow (maybe) but
also things need to be made more efficiently to run on fuel from grains ,top fuel dragtsers have used it for years, they burn alot but they are extremely well built engines to maximize the fuel performance.There used to be cars called Stanley steamers,why not a steam turbine powered ground transport.
The Dutch have always had windmills ,people should be taught to use solar,power, to dry clothes( like they used to) also learn other ways to use it, people can plant trees for firewood to heat homes(admittedly not a clean burning fuel) but wood burners are now more efficient than ever.
As it is said the world may run on oil but it did not always and it doesn't need to in the future. The every man just needs to be retrained and people power needs to be reimplemented. | |
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| Do you really support our troops?
Posted: 11/23/2007 8:35:36 AM |
This is something that is really easy to say, but much harder to do.
He's totally right.
Even if everyone got up from their keyboards right now, and did everything they could think of to reduce oil consumption, it would only make a dent in oil usage. At best, it MIGHT prevent an increase, but that's about it.
Anything that will make a significant impact on that will take years to get into place and working. It will take a massive shift in thinking, and that too will take time.
Can it be done ?
Certainly, and people are starting to be more efficient with oil consumption. As prices rise, that will assist people in being even more efficient. North Americans have really been spoiled for too long with cheap energy, and that's made us wasteful and lazy. | |
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| Do you really support our troops?
Posted: 11/23/2007 8:45:19 AM |
Yes but ask do they have to all be powered by oil you may think so,BUT is it not true till oil was discovered and uses for it were discovered ships sailed all over the world,product moved all over the world before oil was discovered it will take a MASSIVE shift
You are right, it would take a massive shift, more massive than you even realize.
Saying we dont need oil in todays global economy because people used to sail around the world and move goods on wagon trains and oxcarts (which is essentially what you said) is foolish.
Things will change, and new things are being developed. The problem is they are simply not as efficient and not as affordable as petroleum.
Every bit of energy produced from something other than petroluem has an effect elsewhere.
Electric cars? If everyone in the country drove electric or hybrid cars our demand for electricity would skyrocket, making us burn more coal (pollution) to produce the energy.
Burning more coal would increse the demand for coal and increase coal production, which means more machines running on petroleum to process the coal to burn to generate the electricity to charge the batteries in everyones cars.
Ethanol is driving the cost of grain corn up which is impacting the farmers and the price of livestock.
My point is, there no easy solution, and I would wager that most of the people driving around with "No War for Oil" stickers on their cars will be the loudest ones complaining when their quality of life is diminished due to a lack of affordable energy.
And yes, I know gas prices have gone up. But I think in the not too distant future we will be looking back at the gold old days of 3 dollar a gallon gas.
Its gonna get worse before it gets better, folks.
At any rate, I can tell you that withdrawing from the Mideast is NOT the answer to the impending energy crisis. | |
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| Do you really support our troops?
Posted: 11/23/2007 9:15:08 AM | [quote ] to say that we don't need oil in todays economy because people used to sail around the world and move goods on wagon trains and oxcarts.which is essentially what you said)IS FOOLISH(emphasis mine)
Foolish would be putting words in other posters post,Foolish would be denying the reality that oil is a finite energy resource ,foolish would be let's just use oil til it runs out and then hey DOYOU HAVE AN OXCART I CAN BORROW!
Ethanol price of corn up(will eventually drive up prices of every commodity)
which is impacting farmers(uh you mean every body all the grain farmers i know are loving the price supports) the livestock producers are the ones who are starting to feel the pinch of grain prices. Who are the grain producers ?corporate farms owned in all or part by corporate agriculture who work for Oil corps.Get It? The world not only runs on oil .It is a grand hegemony Do you think they might have an interest in how ethanol is percieved as an innefficient fuel?
WAKE UP AND SMELL THE SUCROSE. food vs. fuel the ultimate control of the populace.
My point is there is no easy solution
So it ain't easy so what give up? attitudes like that are part of the problem not the solution.Lead ,follow ,or get out of the way. | |
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| Do you really support our troops?
Posted: 11/23/2007 10:46:27 AM | Foolish would be denying the reality that oil is a finite energy resource
Im curious as to how you interpreted the following quote of mine as a denial that oil is a finite resource?
And yes, I know gas prices have gone up. But I think in the not too distant future we will be looking back at the good old days of 3 dollar a gallon gas.
Its gonna get worse before it gets better, folks.
At any rate, I can tell you that withdrawing from the Mideast is NOT the answer to the impending energy crisis.
I would think those last three words IMPENDING ENERGY CRISIS would have been a clue.
But then again, Im dealing with someone who shrugged off the importance of oil because at a previous point in human history we didn't have it.
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| Do you really support our troops?
Posted: 11/23/2007 10:56:20 AM | | Just want too know there MG and Bl8ant, when in the last 50 years have you read anywhere besides the Abortion Clinic bombings by some religious Zealot, have you seen a christian strap bombs to thier kids and have them blow anything up ? or when was the last time a christian hi-jacked some planes and flew them into buildings ? Like I said they brought the war too us,not the other way around, now we bring the war too them and all of a sudden we are the bad guys.... Like I said I support my son and all troops that fight against this modern day plague among us, and it if wipes out Islam completely then the world will be better for it, as for those that say we are there for the oil, just know that Iraq has 81 oil fields, before the war even started 60 of them were owned by American companies, we didn't need to go there for the oil, we already had it... Iraq with all the history you claim they have, then they should be more intelligent then they are, but they didn't even know how too refine thier oil nor does Iran, all thier oil thats drilled is sent out too other countries too be refined....Hmmm now heres a society that has been around since the dawn of humanity and instead of progressing they digressed, kind of makes ya wonder doesn't it.... | |
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| Do you really support our troops?
Posted: 11/23/2007 11:30:47 AM | Yes ,well they were more or less drafted .There was rationing for the war effort the big diff in ww2 is they were asked to or forced to participate.This administration has
gone out of the way not to draft people(blackwater mercs) the only thing that has been asked is to keep shopping, spend ,spend, spend not save the exact opposite of ww 2.
That is why most don't relate they are not being asked to sacrifice only military families are.
Well said ! | |
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| Do you really support our troops?
Posted: 11/23/2007 11:44:50 AM | and it if wipes out Islam completely then the world will be better for it
So I guess afghanistan wipe out all the people who were liberated from the taliban.I find it quite ironic you have a son fighting there trying to bring democracy to an islamic population and you wish to commit geonicide on them. | |
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| Do you really support our troops?
Posted: 11/23/2007 12:17:10 PM | i am really bad at trivial pursuits, Republiman
but i sort of remember one Timothy McVeigh
and then there was Waco Massacre
in my eyes it makes no difference which uniform you wear, it does not legitimize terrorism...
rather than point fingers, recognizing that this aspect of humanity has always existed in every
culture...it's what we do, and exercising what history has taught us,
educating and raising our children without the conditioned religious indoctrination and fear,
well i could go on... but honestly people in glass houses.... | |
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| Do you really support our troops?
Posted: 11/23/2007 12:20:01 PM | | MG- the Germans and Japanese during WWII wore uniforms and fought conventionally(for the most part). The Islamic terrorists target innocent civilians and don't have the courage to put on a uniform and fight | |
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| Do you really support our troops?
Posted: 11/23/2007 2:18:12 PM | The victory by the U.S. led coalition forces in the 1991 Gulf War and the 2003 invasion of Iraq, demonstrated that training, tactics and technology can provide overwhelming victories in the field of battle during modern conventional warfare. After Saddam Hussein's regime was removed from power and the 2003 Occupation of Iraq began, the Iraq campaign moved into a different type of asymmetric warfare where the coalition's use of superior conventional warfare training, tactics and technology were of much less use against continued opposition from the various insurgent groups operating inside Iraq.
This is one of the reasons iraq could go on for the next 20 years. | |
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| Do you really support our troops?
Posted: 11/23/2007 5:31:13 PM | | acranger: Are you familiar with the word "consumerism"? Last time I was on a plane was 3 years ago. Lots of alternatives are available, wind power (renewable) solar (renewable) for heating and electricity. Hybrid cars, fuel efficient cars (who really needs an SUV). Car pooling, mass transit unfamiliar terms. Biking to work (done all the time up here in Canada even in the winter) . Lots of options, how many do you use. | |
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| Do you really support our troops?
Posted: 11/23/2007 5:36:30 PM | | philly612 - did you somehow forget that the Germans targeted and murder over 6 million innocent civilians during WWII? Words of wisdom for you "Sometimes it is better to be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt." | |
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