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 carolann0308

Joined: 12/9/2006
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Posted: 11/13/2007 10:17:36 AM
I would have thought that term died after the 8th grade. It is so degrading and judgemental.
As far as players are concerned, it is mostly used by silly women who believe everything they read about a man. Most stupid men are players in their own mind.
 esad

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Posted: 11/13/2007 10:53:23 AM

I would have thought that term died after the 8th grade. It is so degrading and judgemental. As far as players are concerned, it is mostly used by silly women who believe everything they read about a man. Most stupid men are players in their own mind.


DINGDINGDINGDING! We have winner !
Now, please , can you put this thread to rest ? What is there to gain by beating up folks on a dating site over behavior like this ???? Is anyone going to change their behavior ?
" Oh my god i am such a slut! POF Forums made me see the error of my ways ! As god as my witness i will never slut again !"
 RexKing

Joined: 10/25/2007
Msg: 53
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Posted: 11/13/2007 11:08:49 AM
iamadarling2:



That is really double standards within your own class of social deviants!!!
That is very much laughable. You can not even accept your own breed of the similiar/same social deviant behaviours. If "slut" is a society's term for deviant behaviors, "male slut", "pig" and "dog" are just as descriptive for the deviant behaviour of the men.



I am NOT condoning the behavior. I am just explaining the instinctual reason behind what men want to do. And because men behave or want to behave a certain way by instinct, we had an entire movement that encouraged women to go and do the same even if it went against their own instinct, just to remove the so called "unfairness" and " inequality" in society.

But that's what liberalism is. It sees natural differences and inequalities in society and FORCES equality through legislation. Because otherwise it would be "unfair" to some. If some entrepreneurial types make it big and make a lot of money, they deem that unfair as if the money was ill gotten and then confiscate their wealth through punitive taxes. If some in school excel or consistently do better than others, it's deemed unfair to the "disadvantaged" and the whole thing is dumbed down or the high achievers are graded harshly until everybody does well and no one feels left out.
 Q37

Joined: 12/22/2006
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Posted: 11/13/2007 11:11:31 AM
you have to do what you want to make yourself happy and some lable you then there live is pretty boring......
Slut vs. Sex life vs. Player
Posted: 11/13/2007 11:23:26 AM

A woman should be a slut to her man and only to her man...but a many men's slut is a cheap /free whore , which is very degrading to the woman. The end result is the men disrespect the female gender.

All these women who are NOT cheap/free whores are complaining that men are players, I wonder what/who has contributed to the problem?

Some of you may coin it as sexual liberation , freedom of choice or spice of life, I simply think it is a cover-up for shame, disrespect of self and lack of dignity.


This, IMO, is comical and sexist comment. The perception seems to be that the woman is being "used" and is a cheap/free whore. Yet, women who choose this lifestyle are not the victims, do not feel degraded, and consider the males cheap/free gigalo. Is this degrading to men? The end result is that men disrespect the female gender.

Hmmmm. I do not respect the behaviors of some specific women and respect woman as a whole. A former partner violated a monogamous relationship numerous times. I have no for respect that individuals lack of integrity and as a result, shall I have no respect for all individuals of that gender?

The show, "Sex in the City" presented and portrayed a new type of woman who is sexually free. They introduced the phrase, "Stiletto Feminism" .

What is being referred to in this thread as a "slut" is in fact, a Stiletto Feminist. She is not being objectified or degraded. She is living life on her terms, meeting her own needs, and enjoy herself in the process.

It really depends on the lens through which someone views any behavior and how they make meaning out of it.

Peace,

ACP
Slut vs. male slut.
Posted: 11/13/2007 11:32:39 AM

I am NOT condoning the behavior. I am just explaining the instinctual reason behind what men want to do. And because men behave or want to behave a certain way by instinct, we had an entire movement that encouraged women to go and do the same even if it went against their own instinct, just to remove the so called "unfairness" and " inequality" in society.


This is a social construct at this time in history. Research indicates that nature is working towards generating humans that more balanced in their sexual orientation and biology than in the past. When looking at men and women and how they continue to move toward the middle with regard to sexual orientation, we also see a movement in women toward more aggressive sexual behavior and increased libido.

It will be interesting to see how much more close nature brings men and woman toward all becoming a Kinsey 3 vs. o, 1 and 2 or 4, 5 or 6.

It is likely less of an increase based on a quest for fairness or inequality. The increase is an aspect of freedom in contrast to repression along with better and more effective birth control, and evolution as nature seeks ecosystemic balance.

ACP
 69_dude

Joined: 10/30/2006
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Posted: 11/13/2007 11:33:48 AM
Sluts and players... sounds like a good name for a band...
For me it is leading on... saying that you want something else then to get laid so that you can get laid...
If you are honest in what you ask for and if both parties agree then no slut, no player...
it is as simple as the communication involved and that is it as far as i can tell!
 OutMind

Joined: 2/13/2007
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Posted: 11/13/2007 11:38:04 AM

But that's what liberalism is. It sees natural differences and inequalities in society and FORCES equality through legislation. Because otherwise it would be "unfair" to some. If some entrepreneurial types make it big and make a lot of money, they deem that unfair as if the money was ill gotten and then confiscate their wealth through punitive taxes. If some in school excel or consistently do better than others, it's deemed unfair to the "disadvantaged" and the whole thing is dumbed down or the high achievers are graded harshly until everybody does well and no one feels left out.


Hello there, now can you get off your soap box and get back to subject?
 AKwithasmile

Joined: 10/31/2007
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Posted: 11/13/2007 11:49:03 AM
Reproduction as the key to life:
The male takes minutes, seconds even, to reproduce.
The female must bear the consequences and so a woman must be selective in choosing a mate. She requires someone who is capable of and willing to share the burden of Parental Investment.

There’s a sort of rule at work here that many don’t understand.
Woman have got it.
Men want it.
Who decides who gets it? women.

I would not agree that promiscuity is deviant behavior for a woman. it should be noted that the introduction of reliable birth control has had a ‘liberating’ effect. A prospective mate no longer had to display traits amenable to sharing in Parental Investment demanded because pregnancy need no longer be a likely consequence.
 RexKing

Joined: 10/25/2007
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Posted: 11/13/2007 11:49:51 AM
ACP:
Research indicates that nature is working towards generating humans that more balanced in their sexual orientation and biology than in the past


Any new "research" and it's findings mean little to me until I find out who the researchers are, the source of their funding , their political beliefs and the hidden political agenda behind the "research".

From the research you mentioned I have little doubt who they are and what they want us to believe but I will hold comment. Can you cite who the researchers are..or point me to their website ?
 mr. dynomite

Joined: 9/11/2007
Msg: 61
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Posted: 11/13/2007 12:38:57 PM
A slut is only a slut when the person calling the other a slut and the person being called one agree to it.

Until then... it's just an unconfirmed opinion based on a 50% (or less) vote.
 iamhappymom

Joined: 12/31/2006
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Posted: 11/13/2007 12:44:35 PM
Let me see...how many men can a women sleep with before she is labeled a slut.
How many women does it take for a man before he gets the same label ...that carries the same negative conatation.
I am not a judgemental person...If a women...chooses to have more then one lover...so be it.
So many people trap themselves in loveless marriages...with passionless sex...duty sex..no sex etc.
There are things that people...not just women can do that perhaps would label them a "slut" or sexually irresponsible. For me they are...Having sex with someone for what they have or will buy for you..."expensive dinner slut" Those that choose to sleep with siblings of thier spouses or spouses of thier siblings. Those that sleep with thier "best friends" spouse. Those that have a "please take a number machine" and a lineup outside thier bedroom door.
Women who choose to have sexual experiences with those men that they are attracted to and feel a connection with because they desire them...are no different then men that do the same.
 meowgrrrr83

Joined: 10/23/2007
Msg: 63
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Posted: 11/13/2007 12:47:19 PM
No I would not consider such individual to be a slut...
Nor such man in her case..

As for a slut... what defines one... hmmm.... everyone's perceptions are different...
 colorblindstar

Joined: 8/9/2007
Msg: 64
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Posted: 11/13/2007 1:13:03 PM

One of the reasons we know this is if that was the way as a species we were, then men find a woman, shoots his load, job done. But research has found out that 90 percent of a man's sperm is not designed to swim and find that one egg.


I'm not being rude or sarcastic...in fact, quite sincere...I would LOVE to read this research. Where did you find this?
I quite agree about the technology catching up with truth in regards to sibling organ/tissue/fluid matches. I've seen it a few times now in the hospital where I work. I'd love to see some numbers, though, from outside my current demographic.
 notyou01

Joined: 9/9/2007
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Posted: 11/13/2007 1:48:37 PM
Time to find a friend with benefits!! We all have needs, but chosing several different one night stands could certainly be misconstrued as slutty!! At least by my terms!!
 x_file

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Posted: 11/13/2007 2:52:00 PM
Msg: 50, (imadarling2)


You twisted my words. see msg 25, that is the mentality of most men. The "wrong thing" which is the social deviants behaviour is acceptable when they are the subjects but NOT acceptable when the women in his own classification mirroring the men's social deviant behaviour.


There is nothing relevant in msg 25. Take a look.
And I didn't twist yourwords. You said in msg40:



but a many men's slut is a cheap /free whore


Which in logic translates to "IF you are many man's slut, THEN you are a cheap /free whore" Which has the form of "IF A, then B". That is why I said,



You are saying something like, "If you do the wrong thing, you should be punished".


Key phrase here being " something like". My example has the same form as yours, namely: "IF A then B". The example has nothing to do with wrong/punishment. It was an analogy.

And if you know some logic, you would realize that your comment says nothing about what sluts is. It only says what a "cheap /free whore" is - which you think is a many man's slut.

But what is a "slut" or "many man's slut" to start with? That is what I was getting at.


Msg: 51, (carolann0308)


I would have thought that term died after the 8th grade. It is so degrading and judgemental.


Awesome! Lets pretent there is no such a thing as slut after grade 8. But wait... there is a such a thing as "grade 8 slut". If so,

What's you definition of a 'grade 8 slut'?
If there was 'a grade 8 slut', what changed in grade 9?


Msg: 57, (69_dude)


For me it is leading on... saying that you want something else then to get laid so that you can get laid...
If you are honest in what you ask for and if both parties agree then no slut, no player...
it is as simple as the communication involved and that is it as far as i can tell!


There is certainly something appealing to what you are saying. But suppose a man went up to a girl and said to her: "I would like to have sex with you, I'm only interested in a one-night stand, are you interested?"

What would the women's response be?

You see, women hate players. They think a player is only after one thing, sex! And they are right. But is every guy who is after sex a player? Do you see the difference?

Now consider the guy who is direct about his intentions. He wants sex, obviously. Because of that woman will automatically label him "a player" Why? Because that's what players do!

The thing that I am getting at is that when a man even so much so brings up sex, he must be after only one thing: sex. (context:dating) The next assumptions is that he is player!

But there is someting seriously wrong with this! Why? Because MOST guy wants sex. But because of that should we say that MOST guys ONLY wants sex, and therefore are players?

On the other hand, if a women so much so brings up multiple partners, she must be a slut. (context:dating)

I don't understand where do these ideas come from. Some very basic distinctions are MISSING. That is why I'm looking for a defnition of a slut/player/sex-life. Lets get this "silver-lining" disticitons out there.


Msg: 62, (iamhappymom)


There are things that people...not just women can do that perhaps would label them a "slut" or sexually irresponsible.

For me they are...Having sex with someone for what they have or will buy for you..."expensive dinner slut"


Thank you! I appreciate your honesty. Let me see if I understand you. So if you have sex for some benefit other than sex itself, you should be labeled a slut? I suppose you believe that women who use sex as bargaining chip and manipulation tool should be labeled a slut?

Msg: 63, (meowgrrrr83)


No I would not consider such individual to be a slut...
Nor such man in her case..


So if a man came up to you and said: "I would like to have sex with you, I'm only interested in a one-night stand, are you interested?" AND

1) You find the guy *hot* and *want him*
2) He is single, and you are single, both of you don't have STDs

You wouldn't hesitate a tiny bit of having sex with him because you might be labeled a slut?
 meowgrrrr83

Joined: 10/23/2007
Msg: 67
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Posted: 11/13/2007 3:09:02 PM
Consider the facts that everyone's needs need to be fullfilled on a different timely basis.. and most importanly different skill level...
Again if this was his situation.... as the woman's in the original post....
NO... I would not hesitate....
Why??
Because if he is A MATURE ADULT he won't be bragging about this... to proclaim me as such BECAUSE IT WOULD REFLECT RIGHT BACK ON HIM..... as far as me not hearing that he is a GIGOLO, I would see that we are on the same page and interested in same things.

CLEAN ADULT FUN... NOT KID'S GAME...Respect, mutual understanding...is expected... and of course given....

(GEEZ, watch this come back and bite me in the ass... caling me a whore, **** , slut)....
Soooo notttt.....so drop the comments...pls..
We are all different and see sexuallity in many different angels.. this is mine... so I m expecting respect... for giving my honest opinion...
 hab76

Joined: 10/22/2007
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Posted: 11/13/2007 3:22:09 PM
The way i c it is to each their own, when u need to satisfy a need u go and find a way to do that. i am not a guy that will go out to find a random girl but i will not judge som one for doing so, one of my friends does this but between studies work and family she has no time to maintain a relationship, and the lack of time has cost her past relationships.
 artactive

Joined: 10/26/2007
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Posted: 11/13/2007 4:00:14 PM
I actually consider a player a player because I don't think it is about just going out for a hook up to me that is a hook up a player for me anyway is someone who pretends to be into you totaly until they get their way, then they drop you like a hot potato!! If it is a freaquent thing I guess they are both sluts. unable to make time for a sharing relationship. Men I think and sorry guys if I am way off because I am not a man, but I think men have an easier time not attaching, women tend to take sex a bit more serious. I think for us it is about connection. But then again, I don't always believe that either, because some girls I know can have a boyfriend for a few months and play and when they are done blame the guy, but in the end they go and do it again.
 mysticgirl38

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Posted: 11/13/2007 5:52:28 PM
thats right ACP!!!
 saxon1234

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Posted: 11/13/2007 5:56:40 PM
The true definition of a slut is anyone who has had sex one time more then me!!!!!!!

Sex is a gift from God and should be accorded the same respect! I don't care if your married or not, it should be between 2 consenting adults for all the right reasons not because your lonely, horny, available or hoping to connect. Sex I enjoy last for hours because the person I am with I care about deepy and hope we will be a long term relationship. Women who have sex with multiple partners are mentally ill when they do it in a short period of time. Women who have 4 and 5 partners a week is sign of bi polar disorder and need meds. Better living thru chemistry!
 yayotters

Joined: 10/26/2007
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Posted: 11/13/2007 6:06:45 PM

Any new "research" and it's findings mean little to me until I find out who the researchers are, the source of their funding , their political beliefs and the hidden political agenda behind the "research".

From the research you mentioned I have little doubt who they are and what they want us to believe but I will hold comment. Can you cite who the researchers are..or point me to their website ?


This is a stupid way to evaluate research.

So if you found out that the researchers were [insert whatever here] then would you instantly dismiss the research? That's a logical fallacy my friend - poisoning the well.

Typically you should evaluate the methods, the findings, etc. Check for peer review. But to start an evaluation of research with a quest to ferret out biases is profoundly absurd.
 papabear1968

Joined: 4/9/2006
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Posted: 11/13/2007 6:31:05 PM
If there honest & upfront, they are niether Sluts or Players... If they hide what they are after by deceptions,I guess thats the only time you could label them....
 RexKing

Joined: 10/25/2007
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Posted: 11/13/2007 6:40:47 PM
yayotters



This is a stupid way to evaluate research.

So if you found out that the researchers were [insert whatever here] then would you instantly dismiss the research? That's a logical fallacy my friend - poisoning the well.

Typically you should evaluate the methods, the findings, etc. Check for peer review. But to start an evaluation of research with a quest to ferret out biases is profoundly absurd.


You are naive my friend, especially if you are a recent graduate of a public school or college.

You have no idea how much social engineering goes on and how many liberal agenda are pushed, all under the banner "according to researchers...." .

Classic example without getting into details -- one of the greatest hoaxes of all time being pulled on us, the so called "man made global warming". No one's denying that the earth's temperature may have risen a degree or two. But the temperature has never been constant - it's been alternately cooling and warming for millions of years long before the automobile came along. But to say MAN is causing it (??) -- I will skip the details because there is plenty of info available on the web, just Google "global warming hoax" or "global warming skeptic" or the likes. But what is the agenda ? To promote socialism, to curb your lifestyles, to clamp down on businesses (since liberals hate big business) TO RAISE YOUR TAXES by making you feel guilty (since "you" and your lifestyles are the cause of Global Warming)...and eventually get you to vote Democrat.

The point is no research is Gospel. Most research is aimed at driving a political agenda and to secure funds to do even more research ! And besides what one researcher says today, another researcher will say something else the next. In the mid 1970's the rage was the coming of the great Global Cooling (1975 newsweek article). Fast forward 20 years, Global warming will kill us all.
 x_file

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Posted: 11/13/2007 7:46:30 PM
Msg: 67, (meowgrrrr83)


Again if this was his situation.... as the woman's in the original post....
NO... I would not hesitate....
Why??


I asked because many women have that fear - the fear of being labeled a slut.

It seems the thought cross your mind to when you said:



(GEEZ, watch this come back and bite me in the ass... caling me a whore, **** , slut)....


I think you might have been joking, but still, the thought was there.

Msg: 69, (artactive)


I actually consider a player a player because I don't think it is about just going out for a hook up to me that is a hook up a player for me anyway is someone who pretends to be into you totaly until they get their way, then they drop you like a hot potato!


Interesting definition! I think you are on to something. What is your definition of a slut?

Msg: 71, (saxon1234)


Sex is a gift from God and should be accorded the same respect! I don't care if your married or not, it should be between 2 consenting adults for all the right reasons not because your lonely, horny, available or hoping to connect.


What are the right reasons for sex? I think being attracted to someone is good enough of a reason. Don't you? How about having sex for the sake of pleasure? Isn't that a good enough reason?

Why can't you have sex if you are horny? What if the other person was horny too?

Msg: 73, (papabear1968)


If there honest & upfront, they are niether Sluts or Players... If they hide what they are after by deceptions,I guess thats the only time you could label them....


I agree that deception, or lack of honestly should be part of the definition of a player. But I am not sure about the definition of a slut. A slut is not likely to purposely deceive you, don't you think so? How many intelligent sluts do you know of? If a woman purposely deceives you for some benefit, we might label her a leech, rather than a slut.
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