| He is friends with many of the women he has had sex with. I don't get it. Posted: 11/17/2007 2:53:50 PM |
Does anyone think it's unusual for a guy to be friends with women that he has had sex with?
OP posed an interesting question.
I don't think it's "unusual" for someone to remain friends with an ex that they were with for a very long time. You had enough feelings for someone to spend X numbers of months or years with them, right? An ex is an ex for a reason, and I think if you've both moved on with your lives, and are able to remain friends with someone after a break-up, that says alot about your character and strength. I admire and respect anyone who still WANTS to remain friends with an ex, because that tells me that after a relationship ends, you were mature enough and respected the other person enough to not turn a break-up into a knock down, slinging mud fest! Not all break-ups have to end like that. Break-ups can be very civil and amicable. Besides, who better to hear the good, the bad, and the ugly about your new mate, other than his/her former boyfriend / girlfriend?
My ex and I were together just over 3 years, and I finally ended it when I knew I wasn't going to get the long-term commitment that I was looking for and deserved. I moved on, and it was the most painful thing I had to do. It took about 6-7 months of healing my own spirit before I could speak to him again, but I did, and we've managed to remain the best of friends even now, 4 years after we split up in 2003. Do I still love him, of course, and always will, but it's a different kind of love. There is no chance of a reconcilation with him, EVER, and we both know that. Any guys that I do go out with, will hear about and eventually get to know my ex. Spending 3 years with someone has molded me into the woman I am now. Does that mean my ex is a threat to a new relationship? NO WAY! As I said earlier, an ex is an ex for a reason. I encourage any guy that I'm dating to talk to my ex and find out the good, the bad, and the ugly about me. He can hear it from the horses mouth directly, than hear it from me.
OP, the question you have to ask yourself about your guy is this: Do YOU think it's unusual for a guy to be friends with women that he has had sex with? Is he friends with them because they once had a commitment to each other, or is he friends with them because he's still having sex with them?
If he is friends with them because they once had a commitment to each other, and these past g/f's are still an important part of his life, then ask to meet them too. His friends can become your friends too. If he's still associating, email, visiting past g/f's to hook up for sex, then you know what you need to do. Problem solved.
Never accept less than you expect - EVER!
Happy :fishing: everyone!
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| He is friends with many of the women he has had sex with. I don't get it. Posted: 11/17/2007 4:11:48 PM |
Dear Gwendolyn ....................ever see that really bewildered look on dr.phils face when someone makes a statement that is "off the wall" that is the same as Ifelt when I read your dandy on here ................come on .. you are friends with a man that you lived with for seven years and his new partner is "jealous" ... nah she is stupid .. she can read between the lines and should throw his arse to the curb or your doorstep.........you don't get respect by sitting around playing the kind of g'damn games you two must be showing her ... she should walk
Sorry, I don't waste my time watching schlock TV. In fact, I don't waste my time watching TV at all; I prefer to get my information and knowledge from more reputable sources, like books. Ever heard of books? Or, I should ask, books written by people other than TV psychologists? (So the answer to your question is "no," I have never seen Dr. Phil give a bewildered look to anyone.)
You and women who think like you are what give other women bad names. You know nothing of a situation, do not know the people involved, yet you stand as judge and jury. Women are taught to pit themselves against each other and you are a prime example. I just moved from a neighborhood where the man next door suddenly couldn't talk to me because his new girlfriend was jealous--and I never had any type of relationship with him--nor would I have. Women who only see other women as rivals are seemingly the majority. You perpetuate it.
It is possible for men and women to be "just" friends after being in a sexual relationship. It is possible for men and women to be friends even if they have never been in a sexual relationship. I have more male friends than I do female friends, and the female friends that I do have tend to be stand apart from small minded women who only see men as trophies and who stand in fear of women who might "take them away."
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| He is friends with many of the women he has had sex with. I don't get it. Posted: 11/17/2007 4:19:58 PM | akastar wrote:
howbigisyourlove have you any idea how intimidating you come across. Many times I have felt that I have had to leave threads because I pick up on your anger.. I realise that you see this as femine strength
Akastar, what she does is called "bullying," but not every woman is intimidated.
somebody has to step up to the plate and say it like it is without getting the stain off the smarties in my hands...Stupid was a strong word ..... I apologise I should have used .. ignorant .. that is the correct term for lack of knowledge...adjectify it to... really really and really ignorant...
Aha, a self appointed "batter." Like most bullies, you do not stop to really understand what other people are saying. You are too busy asserting your opinion as if is fact.
And what the hell is "adjectify" supposed to mean? If one does not want to be ignorant or stupid, perhaps one should use words that can be found in the dictionary. | |
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| He is friends with many of the women he has had sex with. I don't get it. Posted: 11/17/2007 4:43:20 PM | I was in a 5-year relationship with a man who claimed to be able to do that. I can't say that he had any real interest any more in being physically involved with the women, however, they never gave up the hope of getting back in bed with him.
I saw emails from them encouraging him to lie to me and meet them ... at their house, at restaurants, at his house after I left for work (we were living together at that point) ... it was all there in black and white. I'm sure he knew what they wanted.
I can't say that he ever went "back" to bed with any of them, but I knew it was only a matter of time. At one point, he was still helping a couple of them with "computer problems" and one always seemed to have "plumbing" or "electrical" problems that needed his attention.
I could no longer deal with it ... I LEFT. I wasn't jealous ... I just refuse to share that aspect of my life with other women. | |
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| He is friends with many of the women he has had sex with. I don't get it. Posted: 11/17/2007 5:33:26 PM | Had to chime in on this one. I dated a guy like this for a year, and guess what, we have remained friends. We don't talk very often, and the old flame is no longer there, but we do care for each other as we would for any good friend. He states he is in love with another woman (whom he calls his soulmate), and this doesn't bother me in the least.
In his case, I think his ability to remain friends after the dating relationship ended was a spill-over from the "free love" attitude he acquired growing up in the 60's. I can't say I've ever met anyone who could pull it off like he could, and I wouldn't know what to tell you about a younger person with that mindset. | |
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| He is friends with many of the women he has had sex with. I don't get it. Posted: 11/17/2007 6:32:53 PM | | My experience is that there is still sexual tension between the two of them. Remember, there WAS an attraction. Who does the guy turn to when you two have a problem? It's not going to be you. It's going to be one of the exs because they have a history and they are actually closer than the two of you. I agree that the exs are just waiting for Mr. Wonderful to "pick me" and would be happy to "comfort" him when you are not perfect! I won't date anyone who is friends with their exs. If a guy has all of these "best friends", then I will never be "the one". (My opinion) | |
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| He is friends with many of the women he has had sex with. I don't get it. Posted: 11/17/2007 8:52:43 PM | dear gwendolyn ... you said that your ex's new partner is jealous... your words.. so what is she jealous of???? Is any of her jealousy warranted or is she getting paranoid because you sound like you actually enjoyed it .. and if it was my ex I would be doing all I could to make his new partner comfortable and a friend too ... that is what mature people do .. and as for education you and I are not even anywhere in the same stratisphere ... I make up words because I like to be creative I find alot of the same old same old here and refreshing vents on words make for a more interesting read... .. My comment regarding you needing boundaries and inviting some good energy and compassion and definite understanding of where your ex's new partner is coming from may sound like bullying to you but I call it common sense ... and compassion because anyone that calls her jealous needs to truly understand the entire playing field in current >>> in the present moment relationships of all people involved and judging by your interpretation of his partner you don't sound like someone he should continue a friendship with if you cannot respect the feelings if his current partner .. and make her a part of a NEW dimension.... If she is guarded good for her she should be .. I call that intelligent, not unlike the thread writer .. Self preservation regarding respecting your life and body from sexual transmittable diseases from having no boundaries is also a concern .. no one should trust until there is a track record of trust ... hell aids would have almost disappeared and been nowhere near epidemic if people were honest to current sex partners... wanting to live to an old age is intelligent .... Being capable of having friendships with your ex's should include the new partner and when it does not it spells trouble .. and that is why the majority of past sexual encounters should stay in the past .. Very few people have this capability as it requires great maturity and very few people can establish one long term relationship let alone befriend the planet ... My take on past relationships is that if they were so great you should have stuck around because all and I mean ALL things can be worked on with two willing participants , you can read that in any psychology book.. by any and I mean any and all relationship psychologists ... most claim the only reasons not to stay are abuse and substance abuse .. all other areas of difficulty can be worked on in any relationship... ... but if you are into the three year oxytocin hormonal brain hit of the first chemical highs than likely you will never be able to form a long term bond with anyone... this is also a big big problem amongst adults .....looking constantly for the same chemical release and never establishing anything of deeper substance .... the ones that say they are looking for that spark ... !!!!!! And as for books .. if you and I had a cranial substance contest regarding written material ... I can guarantee you would lose ... yah I have read all of doctor Phils books and scads of other psychologists works but that is not my subject of interest . Need to know anything on endocrinology or sexual anthropology or want some avenues to explore I have volumes of information... as most of my opinions are formed from study.... and yah when you have alot of knowledge to tap from you are assertive and yup knowledge is power so is exercise and weight training.. so yah I am all of that and when someone disagrees with me great ... show me the money ... no biggee I enjoy someone who can go on more complicated tangents and can exercise ... their minds by playing with the language ... as well and I would never criticise anyone for how they spell as they are expressing themselves here .. and that is what the constitution of first world countries apparently allows us to do... | |
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| He is friends with many of the women he has had sex with. I don't get it. Posted: 11/17/2007 9:07:31 PM | | People who have mature, adult, honest relatioships that involve genuine and real conversations are usually capable of staying friends with former lovers. My best friend here locally is a former g/f. Two ladies I use as emergency contacts for my children are women I had sexual relationships with. | |
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| He is friends with many of the women he has had sex with. I don't get it. Posted: 11/17/2007 9:10:53 PM | OH I just love it when people start talking about oxytocin. Like it is some kind of mind altering chemical. The street level knowledge of oxytocin is zip. In reality the effects of oxytocin relaese is highly overrated. For that matter both genders release oxytocin.
administration of oxytocin to species ranging from mice to humans has revealed a number of effects on social behavior. Nevertheless, it has been best studied in females where it clearly mediates three major effects:
Stimulation of milk ejection (milk letdown): Milk is initially secreted into small sacs within the mammary gland called alveoli, from which it must be ejected for consumption or harvesting. Mammary alveoli are surrounded by smooth muscle (myoepithelial) cells which are a prominant target cell for oxytocin. Oxytocin stimulates contraction of myoepithelial cells, causing milk to be ejected into the ducts and cisterns.
Stimulation of uterine smooth muscle contraction at birth: At the end of gestation, the uterus must contract vigorously and for a prolonged period of time in order to deliver the fetus. During the later stages of gestation, there is an increase in abundance of oxytocin receptors on uterine smooth muscle cells, which is associated with increased "irritability" of the uterus (and sometimes the mother as well). Oxytocin is released during labor when the fetus stimulates the cervix and vagina, and it enhances contraction of uterine smooth muscle to facilitate parturition or birth.
In cases where uterine contractions are not sufficient to complete delivery, physicians and veterinarians sometimes administer oxytocin ("pitocin") to further stimulate uterine contractions - great care must be exercised in such situations to assure that the fetus can indeed be delivered and to avoid rupture of the uterus.
Establishment of maternal behavior: Successful reproduction in mammals demands that mothers become attached to and nourish their offspring immediately after birth. It is also important that non-lactating females do not manifest such nurturing behavior. The same events that affect the uterus and mammary gland at the time of birth also affect the brain. During parturition, there is an increase in concentration of oxytocin in cerebrospinal fluid, and oxytocin acting within the brain plays a major role in establishing maternal behavior.
Evidence for this role of oxytocin come from two types of experiments. First, infusion of oxytocin into the ventricles of the brain of virgin rats or non-pregnant sheep rapidly induces maternal behavior. Second, administration into the brain of antibodies that neutralize oxytocin or of oxytocin antagonists will prevent mother rats from accepting their pups. Other studies support the contention that this behavioral effect of oxytocin is broadly applicable among mammals.
While all of the effects described above certainly occur in response to oxytocin, doubt has recently been cast on its necessity in parturition and maternal behavior. Mice that are unable to secrete oxytocin due to targeted disruptions of the oxytocin gene will mate, deliver their pups without apparent difficulty and display normal maternal behavior. However, they do show deficits in milk ejection and have subtle derangements in social behavior. It may be best to view oxytocin as a major facilitator of parturition and maternal behavior rather than a necessary component of these processes.
Both sexes secrete oxytocin - what about its role in males? Males synthesize oxytocin in the same regions of the hypothalamus as in females, and also within the testes and perhaps other reproductive tissues. Pulses of oxytocin can be detected during ejaculation. Current evidence suggests that oxytocin is involved in facilitating sperm transport within the male reproductive system and perhaps also in the female, due to its presence in seminal fluid. It may also have effects on some aspects of male sexual behavior.
Control of Oxytocin Secretion The most important stimulus for release of hypothalamic oxytocin is initiated by physical stimulation of the nipples or teats. The act of nursing or suckling is relayed within a few milliseconds to the brain via a spinal reflex arc. These signals impinge on oxytocin-secreting neurons, leading to release of oxytocin.
If you want to obtain anything other than trivial amounts of milk from animals like dairy cattle, you have to stimulate oxytocin release because something like 80% of the milk is available only after ejection, and milk ejection requires oxytocin. Watch someone milk a cow, even with a machine, and what you'll see is that prior to milking, the teats and lower udder are washed gently - this tactile stimulation leads to oxytocin release and milk ejection.
A number of factors can inhibit oxytocin release, among them acute stress. For example, oxytocin neurons are repressed by catecholamines, which are released from the adrenal gland in response to many types of stress, including fright. As a practical endocrine tip - don't wear a gorilla costume into a milking parlor full of cows or set off firecrackers around a mother nursing her baby.
Both the production of oxytocin and response to oxytocin are modulated by circulating levels of sex steroids. The burst of oxytocin released at birth seems to be triggered in part by cervical and vaginal stimulation by the fetus, but also because of abruptly declining concentrations of progesterone. Another well-studied effect of steroid hormones is the marked increase in synthesis of uterine (myometrial) oxytocin receptors late in gestation, resulting from increasing concentrations of circulating estrogen. ...wikipedia
So enough already about oxytocin.
Bottom line is too many people ( mainly women) use oxytocin as an excuse for all kinds of problems that it has nothing to do with. | |
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| He is friends with many of the women he has had sex with. I don't get it. Posted: 11/17/2007 9:20:32 PM | | Dear Eazk .... I am gonnah ask you a hypothetical question here ..... If you were desiring a long term love affair and lasting love till yah kick the globe and global climate crisis bucket .. you know lights out and the show is over .. would you ask mister I have a ton of ex f'friends or would you ask a couple who have say been married or have lived together for thirty to fifty years .. how they managed to stay in love forever ... ???? My guess is and of course it is only a guess but the people who have a good ( and I am talking about really loving people, who are devoted ) LONG term marriage would sound like the best source for the recipe right ....on how it works ...not mister I have just about got my apparatus into every female on the planet .. right??? Okay so I asked my mother this question a long time ago likely ten years ago about whether she would be okay if my dad had past sexual encounter women friends and she said she would not have given him a second glance let alone a dance..... !!! They were married one month shy of fifty years... truly the only couple I know personally who were in love .. I do know that there are plenty more .. and all would likely repeat what my mother said that he would not get a dance let alone in her pants...... respecting the dignity that needs to be projected is important that is why alot of people in their seventies and eighties who are still in love have it .. cause they had their act together way back when and those gals took no crap from any man....just ask em... they will tell you ..they are wisdom and they will tell this gal to move along and keep her self respect and some man will appreciate her because she is strong and can stand her ground.... Yah think I am assertive .. talk to some happily married senior women and let them fill you in on what strong is all about ... ..... | |
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| He is friends with many of the women he has had sex with. I don't get it. Posted: 11/17/2007 9:34:55 PM | Eazk: I agree that previous relationships and experiences define who we are today. Like you, I also like myself and have the influence of others to partially thank for that. However, I don't think it's necessary for the person you're with to be detailing past sexual experiences with others.
Sex was between those two people and shouldn't be brought into current relationships--not just out of respect for the current partner, but also out of respect for the previous partner who may prefer to keep those details private.
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| He is friends with many of the women he has had sex with. I don't get it. Posted: 11/17/2007 9:37:21 PM | well dread stalker you tell me your theory on why so many adults cannot form pair bonds beyond the chemical meltdown???People who pull only what they need from very comprehensive research material are only using partial information in an argument hence an impartial post ..When you just google this subject it contains factual data on both sexes as does the secretion of oxytocin... how did you find all of your material on this hormone in relationship only to women???... I would say until you read all of the research on oxytocin in relationship to both sexes you come at this with a myopic bias... which I find offensive and distasteful in regards to stressing a point and insulting to the scientists who have made this field their work. And as for statistical data on men who have and keep numerous friendships with ex partners and then being present and capable of having a long term and loving marriage and having the time and energy to keep up with the past I would say statisically you would be looking at a number under a percentage point ... it and he would not fly with me...!!! Besides why would any man who is in love and can't wait to see his partner at the end of the day need to go and see his past loves.. like I said .. all relationships have some kind of pay off ... and I mean ALL.... | |
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| He is friends with many of the women he has had sex with. I don't get it. Posted: 11/17/2007 9:59:27 PM | [To me your attitude smacks of insecurity and jealousy.]
I disagree with you and I take offense to your tone. On the contrary, I am very secure. I have been in enough relationships to know what I will and won't tolerate, and I don't mind asserting myself. If you are truly comfortable with that kind of arrangement (your SO choosing to hang out with ex-lovers), all the power to you! Who am I to judge you on that? Everyone is different as to their preferences. A good friend of mine recently had her long term ex-boyfriend and his new wife stay at her place while they were travelling through. I can't imagine it, but that's just her personality; she does make a point of staying friends with all her ex's. It wouldn't be my cup of tea but if all the parties are okay with it, that's great! I, for one am not comfortable having ex-lovers around.(I'm making reference to relationships where there are no children involved - When you share a child, that is a different story) There are plenty of other people to keep company with. For me, it feels weird! I'm entitled to my personal preferences; I like to turn the page when the story is over. It's very simple: Respect and B•O•U•N•D•A•R•I•E•S | |
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| He is friends with many of the women he has had sex with. I don't get it. Posted: 11/17/2007 10:12:56 PM | [ I won't date anyone who is friends with their exs. If a guy has all of these "best friends", then I will never be "the one". (My opinion)....How can you be in a monogamous relationship when there are other people in your inner circle? I think the bottom line is, if you are not comfortable with it, then it is not right for you. It's not for me.]
Amen, Gregarious! We are sooooo on the same page. I also agree every bit of How-Big-Is-Your-Love's postings. God bless you two................. | |
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| He is friends with many of the women he has had sex with. I don't get it. Posted: 11/17/2007 10:13:25 PM | And as for statistical data on men who have and keep numerous friendships with ex partners and then being present and capable of having a long term and loving marriage and having the time and energy to keep up with the past I would say statisically you would be looking at a number under a percentage point ... Well if you have that data then share it otherwise it is a guess...and guesses don't make facts. As for where I found my quote? Read my post again and you will see that credit was given.
The fact that friendship after a relationship doesn't work for you is of no consequence to those that it does work for. In fact it says more about you then it does about those who are able to maintain friendships after relationships have passed.
The facts on oxtocin is well documented. Theories abound but theories don't make facts. There was a theory once that the earth was the center of the universe but that didn't make it a fact. And installing what you wish to believe as facts is nothing but misrepresentation.
Edit: BTW the most prominent research done on oxycotin was a preliminary study by the university of California in 99 and it was full of may and possible's. ..NO definite conclusions where reached merely theories and even in that study group, a large percentage showed no significant level changes from the baseline. | |
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| He is friends with many of the women he has had sex with. I don't get it. Posted: 11/17/2007 10:29:57 PM | howbigisyourlove Whilst you are clearly knowledgeable about certain things, you do appear to have difficulty in understanding that whilst you have your own opinions on the subject of whether men and women for that matter should be able to remain friends with there exes, other people here have theories, and you are not going to change anyone by blinding them with science and letting everyone know how well studied you are on chemicals. This is clearly off topic. I state firmly that everyone that is mature and capable enough to keep there friendships should not be bullied into doing otherwise for the sake of a relationship which could end just weeks down the line. This dosent mean that you should not make your partner as comfortable as possible as should they with you. Its called balance, and many relationships lack this balance because one partner such as yourself is imbalanced and harbours resentment and pain from her past, which spills over here in the forums, so heaven only knows what its like to be near you or heaven forbid in a relationship with you. This particular guy that op is involved with in this thread is also a very imbalanced individual in that he has a need to share with the O.P his sexual antics of the past. This is as much a mark of insecurity and need for a boost in confidence as your need to prove to everyone just how knowledgeable you are. In another thread I have seen you attack a woman who's ex husband was dying of cancer, calling her Brittany and other such things. Again I seriously suggest you get yourself into therapy. Your lack of compassion astounds me. Granted,Your books and building knowledge is a good thing for you, but it will not resolve the deeper issues that you very clearly harbour and which manifests itself as anger towards women who have there own personal opinions. Catherine aka star.x | |
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| He is friends with many of the women he has had sex with. I don't get it. Posted: 11/17/2007 11:29:11 PM | HowBig~...you REALLY need to learn to write in a readable format. Y'know, sentences complete with fully formed thoughts. Proofreading...does what you say even make sense to you in a reread?
Oooooh, and paragraphs. If for no other reason than just to provide some break in your stream of consciousness rants. But primarily to link like thoughts together.
To answer your question.....HUH? I know couples that have been together 40-50 years and snipe and carp at each other all day, every day. Longevity is no testament. And who is anyone of us to judge the quality of that couples love over any others?
Dahling....you've really taken this topic as your personal jihad. Why don't you write a clear stated, well formed reason as to why...cause hon, you're really coming across as a bitter old broad who's been wronged by men........and me...among many others it seems, just ain't gettin' it.
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| He is friends with many of the women he has had sex with. I don't get it. Posted: 11/17/2007 11:32:21 PM | From my own personal experience.. the last guy I dated that had many female friends he had at one point slept with turned out to be a player. He hurt me bad emotionally.. so my advice to you would be.. RUN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| He is friends with many of the women he has had sex with. I don't get it. Posted: 11/17/2007 11:40:20 PM | ChocolateNutt~...I agree. Problem is, the OPie never said "detailing past sexual experiences". What she said was "...telling stories...". Big diff.
I also read the OPie's profile and she seems to have an air of curiousity...of being an asker, but also a sense of insecurity. So let's try this another way...we just finished a fantastic love-making session in a very unique situation. We're both fully satisfied. And you innocently (or out of insecurity) start asking questions...perhaps seeking some small amount of validation.
And rather than putting you on the pedestal I instead do this interesting little thing called HONESTY. Now who's fault is it. Should I have lied to your honest/direct question?
My point is, others keep interjecting words and conditions that the OPie never said. And as such, most people's interpretation is based on their own scope of experience.
Like most situations, there is her side, his side...and somewhere in the middle is the truth. We know a tiny bit of her side.
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| He is friends with many of the women he has had sex with. I don't get it. Posted: 11/17/2007 11:56:43 PM | Pretty much all my closest female friends, including my best friend are people i have slept with(not only that had significant close relationship with, as in a g/f). At least 1-2 of them were FwB too (they have since got a b/fs so there is no longer FwB but can be again if that changes unless i find a g/f myself). Not only that pretty much all of my friends except for 1 are all women. I see no problem with having friends, even if you have slept with them in the past. What matters is if they still do have sex even tho they are with you, if that is so then it is not ok unless it is something you have agreed to (like in an open relationship). One of my friends (whom i have been with) has nearly all male friends, including some she has slept with. When i was with her i had no problem with her having male friends even if they were past lovers.
Sex is a bonding activity, something that is designed by nature to bring 2 people closer and strengthen the bond. Also if your with someone you end up getting fairly close and getting to know them and they you. As the relationship progresses you also developed a friendship. No sense in letting that friendship go away and be destroyed if you realise your not for each other romantically. | |
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