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| | Wow, Canada steps up and does the right thing for a change!Page 4 of 4 (1, 2, 3, 4) | | Republiman, you are as entertaining as you are ignorant. You are right Canada and the US do not compare. Let see our national murder rate is lower than those found in most of your smaller cities, we have national health care system (because us liberal commies up here believe that everyone should have access to health care), we are paying down our national debt because our government runs a surplus not a deficit (you guys are 9 TRILLION and counting), a recent international study performed by an American University showed that Canadian children are more literate than American even though we spend 1/10 th the amount of money Americans spend on education (Canadian kids rank 3rd out 35 countries, American 18th), we have the 2nd largest oil reserve in the world, the largest reserve of fresh water, we pollute less and as group we are healthier. As for being the only significant economic partner we have - hello, China happens to be one heck of a big market for us (couple of billion customers who want our natural resources). Security partner? If Bush had had his way we would be in the same mess you guys are in (fortunately our politicians listened to the experts and didn't buy the weapon of mass destruction story). Aside from speaking English and occupying the same hemisphere of the globe, please explain to me how we are similar? Expand yourr horizons, read about the world around you (try reading a paper from another country, you might also want to sign up for a world history course). But then maybe that is the difficulty for YOU. | |
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| Wow, Canada steps up and does the right thing for a change!
Posted: 11/30/2007 12:58:31 PM | | I personally am against and always have been against the Iraq war because they were not the ones that attacked our country. I would have a problem being sent to Iraq if my desire to join the milirary was to fight Al Qaida and the Taliban in Afghanistan. That being said, I would refuse to go to Iraq based on what I believe is a unjust war but I would face the consequences of my choices instead of choosing to run north of the border. | |
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| Wow, Canada steps up and does the right thing for a change!
Posted: 11/30/2007 1:37:00 PM | I work for the Canadian Govt. and this is a misinformation as to why it was decided that the deserters were going to be shipped back to the U.S.
It is because we are tired of helping with the U.S. cleaning up its messes and paying for these people to be here. They have not earned the right to be here, they are not citizens of Canada.
We do not support this war in Iraq at all. Nor do we support what President Bush is doing with continuing this war.
We do not wish to pay for their housing and food while they look for a job here, support them and their family, school their children. We did not creat the mess to begin with.
We are already giving the elderly of your country cheaper prescription drugs to help with your problems. Why is it that the U.S. can't take care of it's own people? | |
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| Wow, Canada steps up and does the right thing for a change!
Posted: 11/30/2007 1:40:27 PM | | When I was 18 I joined the armed sevices. I was willing to fight on a moments call. I was born & raised as american and was willing to sacrifice my life for our country. No questions asked. However, I look at the war that were currently fighting. I first look at our President who deserted and later became president of our nation. I then look at our first intentions of the war. 1). To go over there and destroy the weapons of mass destruction 2). To over-throw the Iraq government. Well folks, there was no weapons of mass distruction. We over-threw Saddam and his followers. Then we got caught up in a civil war between the Muslims and the Shiates (sp?). A war that we have no business being in nor understand. If my son got called to duty....I would be the first to ship him out of this country to keep him out of the war. When our own politicians wont serve their country or allow their sons or daughters to serve. Why should I allow my son to sacrifice his life? Vietnam was bad enough. We made an ass out of ourselves then and were making ass's out of ourselves now. 79% of the politicians have investments in the gas and petrolem industry. Are they helping in reducing the price of gas or are they taking advantage of the situation and price gouging? Friends...They are not helping you any one of us... and we thought mexican poiticians were bad. | |
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Posted: 11/30/2007 2:01:13 PM |
Hey they drive me crazy on this board as much (if not more) than the next guy.
But don't write off an entire nation based on a few idiots on a message board.
^^ Unbelievable.
Using words like "cowardly", "idiots", etc. - please save your subjective spew for elsewhere. If you want to thump your chest and yell from the top of your lungs your holier-than-thou/"I'm a real man!!!" attitude then start an appropriate forum for it, yea?
As to the actual topic of this thread - let them stay in Canada.
Dammit - we're talking about peoples lives here.
If there's a war (such as WWII) where true freedom, democracy, religion, loved ones, etc. are threatened then hell yea - we all must fight regardless. One cannot enjoy the benefits of a country in safety while their brothers and sisters are sacrificing their lives to protect what is threatened. The war in Iraq is far from threatening America's survival, let alone way of life.
IF, however, there's an invasion incognito "fighting for democracy in America" where there is no real threat save financial and sphere of influence then give each soldier an out.
People quit jobs all the time for various reasons - a soldier has that much more at stake; not just his/her very life but life-altering moral corruption.
I'd die in defense of my country - but I won't die or bend my morals to benefit a select few. | |
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Posted: 11/30/2007 2:34:29 PM |
I work for the Canadian Govt. and this is a misinformation as to why it was decided that the deserters were going to be shipped back to the U.S.
It is because we are tired of helping with the U.S. cleaning up its messes and paying for these people to be here. They have not earned the right to be here, they are not citizens of Canada.
Hold on here. What you people fail to realize is that the citizen of the USA certainly don't want to go to war, but the government does.
We do not support this war in Iraq at all. Nor do we support what President Bush is doing with continuing this war.
Neither does the majority of US citizens. The only ones that want the war is the current regime.
We do not wish to pay for their housing and food while they look for a job here, support them and their family, school their children. We did not creat the mess to begin with.
How do you think we fell ? I personally had absolutely nothing to do with anything, yet am still a 'bad guy' because I'm from the US. The current loser regime wants to just legalize millions of people in the contry illegally, to extend medical and other benefits to them. There was just a big to-do here in NY over the governors plan to start issuing drivers liscences to illegal immigrants. Thank god many of the county clerks across the state (the county clerk handles the DMV) refused to do so, and the measure was scrapped.
We are already giving the elderly of your country cheaper prescription drugs to help with your problems. Why is it that the U.S. can't take care of it's own people?
That's easy....because the government is owned by big business, yes, I said they are owned, and that is where the money for the campaigns comes from. George W.'s family is rich from oil. Do you think he cares what skyrocketing oil prices do to the price of...well....everything and the affect this has on the US public ? No. Why should he, that's money going in his pocket. He can't be re-elected, and wouldn't be anyway, and never should have been elected to a second term, so nothing matters to him now.
I just want all of you Canadians to realize that the US government almost always does whatever it wants, no matter what the people want.
It is truly sad, whatthe state of the nation has become in the last 7 years. Thanks to the George W. regime. | |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 4:30:41 AM | Glad to see Canada isn't going to allow itself to be the safe haven from cowardly deserters!
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Cowardly??
Take a look at your own post redneck. The men deserted on moral grounds. They weren't cowards. | |
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| Wow, Canada steps up and does the right thing for a change!
Posted: 12/8/2007 10:07:51 AM | In reading this thread, I am once again saddened, but in no way surprised, by the ignorance, arrogance and hypocrisy of my fellow Americans. These are the reasons that Americans are despised around the world. The worst part is, many of you are too ignorant to even realize or acknowledge that you are ignorant, yet expect the rest of us to accept your opinions as based in fact or education.
Send the deserters back to the US to stand trial for desertion, dereliction of duty and treason. Morality doesn't relieve one from dispensing one's duty, especially when that duty was voluntarily accepted. And morality cannot be used as an excuse for cowardice. This is perhaps the biggest insult of all to all Americans, and to people around the world who only ask the US to follow through on the demand that everyone live up to our standards. Impossible! Because as evidenced here, some of you have standards so low that even people with low standards would have to descend to meet them.
Liberals - people who believe that noone should be held accountable for their own actions, responsible for their own behavior or expected to fulfill obligations accepted voluntarily. No wonder we have immigration, welfare and criminal problems, elect a philanderer and criminal to the Presidency then make his wife front-runner for a return trip and possibly eight more years of empty bluff and bluster with no real accomplishment (after which they will probably figure out how to rip the American taxpayers off for millions more - assuming that isn't already part of the plan), and hold degenerate professional athletes, illiterate musicians, actors and others with little social worth as idols and examples, and then ask why the rest of the world gives us little credibility.
On the other hand, we are a nation of locusts - we consume to our hearts content with no regard to the long-term effects on ourselves, our society or our environment.
Does anyone else see the hypocrisy here?
Proverb: "Better to remain silent and thought an idiot, than to speak and remove all doubt." | |
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Posted: 12/8/2007 12:01:53 PM | Morality doesn't relieve one from dispensing one's duty, especially when that duty was vountarily accepted. And morality cannot be used as an excuse for cowardice.
Yeah, but blindy following orders is a cop out also. I mean if you were in the service and someone told you to pull a My Lai, would you? You can't be so blind to not see when wrong is wrong. If you blindly followed orders no matter what, you could commit very savage acts and then say "I was just following orders". Blind obeidance cannot be an excuse to commit savage acts.
Liberals - people who believe that noone should be held accountable for their own actions, responsible for their own behavior or expected to fulfill obligations accepted voluntarily.
2 words: Lewis Libby | |
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| Wow, Canada steps up and does the right thing for a change!
Posted: 12/8/2007 12:38:11 PM | I hope this stays issue driven--and not the bashing of a country that has always been a friend to the US through out history. I take exception to the 'for a change'--both countries have things we can all agree or disagree with. Each country has a strong identity independent of each other---yet we are inter-dependent. And, I don't see that as a bad thing--I see it as 'having a best friend'.
We don't always have to agree. But we should NEVER forget who our true friends are! | |
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Jemue
| | Joined: 1/26/2005
Msg: 81 | |
| Wow, Canada steps up and does the right thing for a change!
Posted: 12/8/2007 12:44:48 PM | Hold on here. What you people fail to realize is that the citizen of the USA certainly don't want to go to war, but the government does.
A government of the people for the people.
If what you say holds true, then I never want to hear about how america should export it's "democracy" around the world, though if what you say isn't true then the american people knowingly voted for the slaughter (rape, desecration, etc) of thousands of innocent people, twice ........... and continue to allow it to happen while telling the rest of the world how great they are, so which side is it.
Yeah, but blindy following orders is a cop out also.
Very much so, also illegal when you know that they are as well. Though a typical defence of the false patriotism that the US has invented.
But we should NEVER forget who our true friends are!
I think that has been defined by actions more than words of late, luckily Canada is choosing the rest of the world gradually. | |
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Posted: 12/8/2007 5:20:52 PM | The soldiers and the American people; nay the World has been lied to about the reasons and evidence [rather the lack thereof] thus they have every Right to decline to go to War.
There has been an 80 percent increse in US soldiers "deserting" after we now ALL know the TRUTH.
US Army desertion rates rise 80 percent since 2003 Iraq invasion; highest rate since 1980
The totals remain far lower than they were during the Vietnam War, when conscription [the draft] was in effect, but they show a steady increase over the past four years and a 42 percent jump.
According to the Army, about nine in every 1,000 soldiers deserted in fiscal year 2007, which ended Sept. 30, compared with nearly seven per 1,000 a year earlier. Overall, 4,698 soldiers deserted this year, compared with 3,301 last year.
Associated Press examination of Pentagon figures this year showed that the military does little to find those who bolt, and rarely prosecutes the ones they find. Some are allowed to simply return to their units, while most are given less-than-honorable discharges.
© AP
2007-11-17 01 07
If the men want out, all they have to do is state that they are homosexuals and the military will kick them out. | |
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Posted: 1/25/2008 2:21:29 PM | True, but we did send soldiers to Vietnam as part of the UN, and Canadian soldiers did do exchange rotations in Vietnam and Iraq (our current VCDS commanded American Troops in Iraqi Freedom, all the while The Liebrano's said it did not happen)
If you dont believe the Vietnam thing, check the Governor Generals site for Awards and decorations...and you will see a Vietnam campaign ribbon
As for deserters... this is a volunteer army, not a draft, totally different situation than the 1960's. Soldiers dont pick and choose where they serve. Send them back, let them tell their story to 12 of their peers, and be prepared to take your lumps, not run away and hide.
As someone else posted, if you want out of the US military, tell the CO he looks sexy in uniform.... you will be a civilian soon enough, and with an honorable discharge too boot.
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rsx11s
| | Joined: 3/28/2007
Msg: 85 | |
| Oh! What a lovely war.
Posted: 1/26/2008 4:19:09 AM |
If you cross the border and claim 'refugee' status you open up a can of political worms, are these people being persicuted?
Political refugee status in Canada is granted in cases where if you are sent back to your country you'll be tortured or killed. That Tillman was killed by "friendly fire" makes this kind of ironic.
Nearly 10% of all Canadians killed in Afghanistan were killed by US "firendly fire". | |
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