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| why do people want to argue the bible
Posted: 11/22/2007 9:54:36 AM | I agree it is more noble to prove the bible and search for the truth in it. But, I think if you are searching for truth you are going to have questions. There are truths in the Bible and that is why people are so drawn to it. For example, you mention miracles and the need to have them in front of their eyes...well the story of Jesus on the cross and the crowd was asking him if you are the son of God get down off that cross...and Jesus replied by asking for their forgiveness....I think that is a true miracle. The Bible is full of stories like these that are as old as time and by looking at them with different perspectives reveal miracles and truths.
However, some of the things I question and just cant help myself. For instance, why was it necessary for Mary to be a virgin. You can feed me a bunch of dogma...but, I am not going to believe it. I think it reflects on the need for society to believe that a woman must be pure. Something that still goes on to this day. But, again...I think there is a message in that. Also, what is the whole point of Jesus dying on that cross to "Save our Sins." Again,with a different perspective I believe it gets to the fact that people with different beliefs than society will tend to get crusied. I know when I am in a situation and I believe strongly in something that others don't Jesus and the crusifiction does come to mind.
So, again....I do question certain things in the Bible...but, even the things I question have a way or revealing truths. I know this goes against the way people were brought up and many just blindly follow. But, questioning and arguing is not necessarly a bad thing. One thing also that has lead me to be a more spirtual person is I now feel confident in anything I choose to believe. Because if the mass population can believe that a man can be truly born of a virgin, bring the dead back to life, be put to death for our "sins" and then rise again....I can believe in anything I want and really shouldn't have to question myself about it. I can give myself permission to believe in things that are not so questionable that I know to be true in my heart....such as the belief that there is a merciful God and there is not just one belief that will get us to heaven.
I hope this makes sense. Just as anything spirtual....sometimes thoughts and events might come across as a little abstract. | |
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| why do people want to argue the bible
Posted: 11/22/2007 12:05:47 PM |
Non believers argue the bible because it condems them and if they can prove it wrong then they can feel less condemed, and of corse it helps if they can get more people to believe the way they do. There is comfort in number.
Nice generalization.
if non-believers thought they were condemned they could simply choose to believe in whatever god would ease that worry. And comfort in numbers, hmm...I guess that's why atheists join the majority (I'm guessing ~10%) rather than the much smaller christian minority (80%+). 
I don't feel condemned, I simply choose to walk through life with a humanist and objective approach. Condemnation from the christian god resonates about as much terror in me as condemnation from zeus, odin, or santa.
As stated earlier, the bible contradicts tons of things, especially itself. I don't think there's many books in the bible that don't contradict itself at least once, and when this is pointed out the apologist response is almost always like "you're misinterpreting it because the correct interpretation is...oh whoops I can't continue with that sentence since you did interpret it correctly so I'll just insult you instead then make some vague references about how you need love or divine blah blah blah to understand it correctly" | |
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| why do people want to argue the bible
Posted: 6/19/2009 12:58:44 AM | I guess it really comes down believing, and some people refuse to believe in if they acutally see a miracle in front of their eyes. The bible was here before them, and will be here after them. Way too many people have tried to pick apart the bible, unsuccessful. It is more noble to prove the bible searching it. Peroind
Are you familiar with the actual canonization of the bible, and the History of Bishop Marcion?
To create a new Bible in the same way the first one was created would require about 150 people. 80 of them will agree on what will be published, and the other 70 will be executed and all of their writings will be burned and wiped from the face of the earth.
The only way the people know about the detractors of the canonization such as Marcion and the Valentinians is that they were debated against prior to the canonization. After the canonization they disappeared as did their writings.
The Apocrypha and the Dead Sea scrolls give alternate accounts which are considered anathema, or 'against the theme of the dogma of the church.' The church imposes a dogma by excluding the writings, and explaining the Bible as they feel necessary to accomplish their dispensation. I am not so much against them as I have a different dispensation. In my world, only the sayings, parables, and stories of Jesus have any merit in the formation of a moral standard. The rest is "drama" and embellishment. P.T. Barnum described the standard dispensation rather bluntly; "There is a sucker born every minute," and Shakespeare had a great solution for all the "church people" who want to create additional laws and ordinances: "Kill all the Lawyers." | |
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| why do people want to argue the bible
Posted: 6/19/2009 3:01:54 AM | It makes no sense to refer to "the" Bible since there are many. If you think only one of them is valid then the burden rests on YOU to explain why it's just that particular one.
It cannot be done, and has to be a leap of faith. If you cannot make that leap of pure faith, without any evidence at all, then don't kid yourself that you have faith.
Whether or not it's a good thing to have faith at all is a whole nother question. The masses seem to take it for granted. But Percy Bysshe Shelley refers to faith as "bloody" and "foul." Skepticism gets put down a lot yet the fact is that it is skepticism, not faith, that has moved the world forward. Faith won't give us a cure for cancer; skeptical scientific thinking just might. As for law and government, any honest court wants evidence, not just faith.
If you really must believe in a Bible, there's a long list of Bibles to choose from. The Analects of Confucius are pretty good, and the Avestas and the Baghavad Gita are venerable. However, the question remains - why? Making an idol of a book, any book, is not a good thing to do. Christianity is supposed to be about a man, not about a book about the man. And the last I heard, he never said "On this rock I will write my book." | |
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