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Posted: 3/6/2008 12:15:26 PM | NOW I MUST AGREE 100% WITH THE LAST 2 MESSAGES !!
I TRULY WOULD LOVE TO SEE A .... "ONLY SMOKERS" BAR/RESTAURANT
AS I BUSINESS OWNER .... YOU SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT TO SELL TO WHO-EVER YOU WANT !!! AFTER ALL IT'S YOUR BUSINESS, YOUR MONEY !! ......YOUR GAINS/LOSES
THE FACT THAT THEY ARE ATTACKING SMOKERS AS IF THEY ARE THE CAUSE OF ALL BAD THINGS .... IS LUDICROUS !!! (SPENDING ALL OUR TAX $$)
WHEN WE SHOULD BE FOCUSSED ON MUCH MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THINGS
SUCH AS POLLUTION !! PEACE !! FAMINE !! ETC ...
EX: DO YOU KNOW THAT ELECTRIC CARS HAVE BEEN IN EXISTENCE FOR DECADES .... BUT NO TOO MUCH MONEY TO BE MADE WITH ... OIL SO JUST KEEP POLLUTING !!!
AND DON'T FORGET IT'S ALL THOSE NASTY SMOKERS' FAULTS
JOY ! | |
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Posted: 3/6/2008 5:36:04 PM | | I don't blame smokers for any of this. It's all that fault of people who leave their caps lock on. | |
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Posted: 3/28/2008 12:23:07 PM | which way is up said
I coped by quitting. This is definitely what the bans are intended to do. The bans are working. Every place where the bans are in place, there are fewer smokers. I even read a poll that said smokers supported the bans, because without them they would not change their behavior. Most people want to quit, but it's so hard.
One of my ex's who smoked for 15+ years quit smoking in the first 3 months of our dating, with no patches, no gum, etc. I never asked her to quit, but spending time around non-smokers is a great way to quit and she wanted to.
Montreal has support groups for people who are quitting. Plus the programs are free.
My dad quit after 40+ years when he had a minor stroke and the doctor explained how much the risk for a second stroke (probably fatal) goes up if you continue to smoke. That was in 2005 and he's still smoke-free and coping quite well. | |
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Posted: 4/21/2008 1:51:36 PM | | kissing a smoker is just as bad to me as kissing someone with booze on their breath....so light one up for me and pour that stiff on ice puhleeease | |
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Posted: 8/7/2008 9:07:54 PM | Smokers all know the risk - the examples are boring, useless, and lame .
A smoker will quit when he/she see's fit - and don't care a second about anyone's aunt.
Yes - we already know it stinks, so does lots 0f perfume, yes, we know it will kill us, so does milk and water, yes - we know it effects our breathing - as does your cars, trucks, highways, smog, and sometimes bad breath.
But - We decide - Not you.
I say we ban bad stinky rotten cologne and perfume - Tell people to use soap! lol There are so many that try to cover stink with perfume/cologne. (Not all are bad)
I say - If you don't use deodorant - You should be shot on sight.
Don't get me started - lol | |
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Posted: 8/22/2008 12:03:54 PM | THE LAST REPLY SUMS UP PRETTY MUCH MOST .... SMOKERS !!
WE DO IT CAUSE WE LIKE IT (MAYBE ADDICTED!!) .... DON'T CARE ABOUT THE REST. RISKS ETC ....
BUT LIKE TattooedTech SAID THERE ARE OTHER MUCH WORSE THINGS !!
THE PROBLEM IS NOT THE SMOKING IN ITSELF...... BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY (LIKE EVERYTHING ELSE) THE EXCESS OF IT !!!
IF YOU EAT/OR/DRINK TO MUCH OF THE SAME THING .... YOU WILL GET SICK !!
SO BACK TO SUBJECT ..... PLEASE !! SMOKERS ONLY
LATER | |
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Posted: 8/22/2008 10:40:06 PM | to FARLAVAL
FOR THE REST WHO SAY TO QUIT OR SOMETHING LIKE WELL .... ABSOLUTELY NOT THAT WOULD BE GIVING UP . IT'S BAD ENOUGH THAT I LOST MY RIGHTS AS HUMAN BEING
Your rights as a human being???
Unless you don't know, your rights as a human being stops were your neighbor's rights as a human being starts.
Because you are addicted to a nasty drug, you can't quit, you don't want to quit or stop that nasty habit, then ALL THE PEOPLE's rights as human beings, around you when you smoke, should go down the drain so that YOUR right to remain drugged should be respected?
If that's how you build a respectful society, then we have a core problem.
Want to smoke that drug (because yes - it is as bad as heroine)? Sure. Do it at home, in your private area. Although the smoke WILL get out, will go in the environment and pollute everyone's air, at least it will dissipate, after most of the tar and stuff stain your every sheet, covers, curtains as well as both your lungs.
But don't complain when finally, everybody else's right as a human being NOT TO be intoxicated with YOUR drug is protected by law - including bars, dance clubs, and yes - doors where smokers cram in to stay warm and where non smokers MUST pass if they need to enter or leave the building.
Should we also build separate room to accommodate people who sniff coke? Or people who inject stuff? The only reason there is so much fuss about this, is because the cigarette lobby is VERY powerful, they corrupt the governments and do everything they can to keep YOU addicted.
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Posted: 8/23/2008 1:54:31 AM | You made a lot of valid points, ConciousSoul, but unfortunately, Government and society (generally) do not see things the same way. We know that nicotine is as, if not more, addicting than heroin but still there is only one detox program for cigarette smokers in this city and it is not covered by health insurance. So if we're going to view the issue the same way we do illegal addictions, shouldn't we have the same resources in place as we do for other drugs? Is it possible that there is just too much money being made from smokers for the government to sincerely want to help them quit?
Yes, I know I will get blasted for posting on here. Need to say though that it really is bizarre to read posts from people who are trying to justify their right to smoke. Have you ever thought how ridiculous you sound? Like one of the previous posters said, the best way to cope is to quit - that's what I did. | |
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Posted: 8/23/2008 10:31:27 PM | Hello elusive_obsession,
You made a lot of valid points, ConciousSoul, but unfortunately, Government and society (generally) do not see things the same way.
It depends... "governement and society" is quite large and vague. Yes, some people in governments are corrupted and working for the corporation lobbies. And yes, some right-wing governments (like we have today with Harper in Canada) aren't very strong (to say the least!) on social programs.
Still, i partly disagree with this sentence:
Is it possible that there is just too much money being made from smokers for the government to sincerely want to help them quit?
That's not counting the money that is injected to the health insurance from our tax money. The purpose of a social health care system is to cover everybody. One single cancer a smoker gets and has to threat for years of heavy medications and medical care already costs a lot more than all the money that person will give to the government through cigarette taxes. So, technically, if you remove the lobby from the equation, it would be perfectly logical to ban all cigarette and make it fully illegal, just like any other dangerous drug. (worst than coke, for instance, as far as I am concerned, since no coke sniffer or injectors forces me to absorb THEIR drug, while a smoker do).
Of course, as soon as you put into play the millions of $$$ that are invested by the cigarette corporations to create marketing groups, lobbies, corruption, and so on, it becomes much more difficult for a politician to push toward that kind of a law, without loosing a lot of money, political credit, etc.
shouldn't we have the same resources in place as we do for other drugs?
Yes, absolutely! And as a tax payer and a fully non smoker myself, still I'd feel perfectly OK to know my money is spent to HELP people get better and stop that nasty addiction. So - yes - we agree on this. At least, Montreal has some free programs to help people stop. So it's not so bad - what's bad is that for each one marketing add, commercial, advertising or program put in place to convince people to stop smoking, you find 3 equivalent such messages in the society, still out there and set up by the cigarette lobbies and corporations, advertising the contrary. So it's a tough battle.
Thank you for your comments! And congrats on your quitting  | |
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Posted: 8/28/2008 2:23:24 PM | Just because you quit with success - doesn't mean others that haven't, sound or/are ridiculous. Good for you - all smokers wish they can do so with the same results.
I'll be the first to admit - smoking stinks and is a nasty habit. I wish I never started in the first place. But - I am a smoker. I don't think we need a detox program - I think we need free access to the numerous stop smoking options that are availible - including gum, lazer, and patches. The companies that created this product should foot the bill. And - I already know what some bleeding hearts will say - "why did you start in the first place", my answer to that is - what does it matter - it's already too late. Please don't talk unless you have an idea of what an addiction actually feels like.
And - While were are at it - Please also understand, there are many things out there that can kill or offend others. Some perfumes or colognes are god awful nasty! But, do we complain when we walk into a bar and have to smell your 2 gallons of stink? Not all are bad - but my point is - this isn't a perfect world and some things are just the way they are .. just because.
I say we should ban cars and trucks - plastic - spandex on porky people - and a ton of other very offensive and dangerous things. Facts are - once upon a time - if you wanted to goto a bar - you knew it would be filled with smoke - but you came anyhow. Basically, you put yourself in the situation. It's like going to the Nascar races and complaining about the smell of gas - hello - if you don't like it - don't go.
In general - Smokers are pretty cool. Yes - we complain sometimes - but we do our best to respect the rights of non smokers. Instead of banning smoking in clubs - woulden't it have been better to offer smoke free bars, or smokers bars? This way - you have a choice - and you let the client decide.
Now - What are we going to do with the dude or lady that believes everyone on the planet will go crazy in love with that rotten perfume? Hmmmmm ...........................
I think we should make them sit outside in a tent in -25 temperature all night long,
until it either fades away or dilutes alittle lol Now - you know what it feels like. | |
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Posted: 8/28/2008 2:51:30 PM | "I think we need free access to the numerous stop smoking options that are availible - including gum, lazer, and patches. The companies that created this product should foot the bill."
The expense should be covered under medicare. The overall costs would be less than the costs of treating all the various cancers and other diseases associated with smoking.
"I think we should make them sit outside in a tent in -25 temperature all night long,
until it either fades away or dilutes alittle lol Now - you know what it feels like."
Lol!! I'd better get my perfume (Happy) smoker-approved before winter!!
bbrrrrrrr!
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Posted: 8/28/2008 3:01:23 PM | lol - I'm not saying all - but some are too much or too much is added :P Sorry if you took it the wrong way - I was just trying to make a point :) Peace?
I do agree medicare should cover "solutions" as well - but instead of taxing you - they should just foot the bill to the companies responsible - cigarette companies, lighter companies, and anyone closely related. | |
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Posted: 8/28/2008 10:48:43 PM | to tattooedTech:
Just because you quit with success - doesn't mean others that haven't, sound or/are ridiculous.
Of course not! It's hard enough to quit, and as far as I am concerned, i'd never imply that smokers who can't quit are ridiculous. Just as I would never feel someone who is caught and stuck into heroin would be ridiculous. However, smokers who claim it is their right "as a human being" to smoke, do not even WISH to quit, and are obviously not caring for non-smokers rights not to be poisoned. That's the part I am not comfortable with.
I'll be the first to admit - smoking stinks and is a nasty habit.
No no no no... you miss the point, just as so many smokers do when we have this conversation. It's NOT about the smell. It is NOT a "stink" issue.
It's a *Poison* issue. So long as you consider your smoke as "something nasty that stinks" you miss the point entirely. How would you feel if, each time a heroin junky was about to inject himself some stuff, he'd also inject you some?
I think we need free access to the numerous stop smoking options that are availible - including gum, lazer, and patches. The companies that created this product should foot the bill.
I wholeheartedly agree.
I already know what some bleeding hearts will say - "why did you start in the first place"
Then the people who are telling you this are not only wrong, but very naive. The cigarette companies worked REAL hard to brainwash the population into buying their products. They DESIGNED its marketing around the idea of socialization, teenagers, looking "cool", composure, and so on. And it worked so well it is now fully integrated into our culture, from movies to every aspect of our social life: even to the point smokers still think it is a "right" to inhale poison, even at the expanse of forcing everyone in the neighborhood to inhale it too! So, this issue is far from simple and one cannot say: "Why did you start in the first place?". Chances are, as 99% of smokers, you started as a teen, when you were vulnerable to commercials and propaganda, needed to be recognized as part of a social group and needed the extra composure it gave. And the stuff is DESIGNED to be addictive - and not only chemically. It's a foolproof trap...
Please also understand, there are many things out there that can kill or offend others
This argument also has no value. First, there are a lot of nasty things happening in the world, and if one starts to excuse one bad behavior on the pretext that others are happening too, where do we stop? Can I kill my neighbor? After all, a lot more people are dying in Iraq. Doesn't make it any more right though...
Second, it is an attempt at comparing apples and pears. Cigarette smoke causes cancer. It's a proven fact. It's not about how it stinks: it's about how it kills... and not only yourself, but people around you too. Until you can argue that perfume also kills, and kills people around the bearer too, you cannot compare the two situations.
Still, iL,, grant you this: some people DO stink with their perfume, and (should they become aware of it) they should respect their neighbors and leave a public place if they do, because, yes, one's freedom stops were other people's freedom starts.
I say we should ban cars and trucks - plastic - spandex on porky people - and a ton of other very offensive and dangerous things.
Yep, we should. At least for the ones we know for sure are dangerous to human health. But Cigarette corporations aren't they only one loobying: so does the oil corporations, for instance. Still, that we ban or not ban cars, plastics or whatever, does not change the fact that your smoke in a public place is a poison forced on non smokers lungs. | |
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Posted: 8/29/2008 1:53:38 PM | Tattooed Tech,
Peace!
And if I do get banished, we can keep other company!
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Posted: 8/30/2008 8:49:30 PM | Wow - That was one hell of a lecture - Thanks Dad :P
My friend - we all know about the politics and health risks of smoking. The thread is called "Smokers How Do You Cope" ..... not "What Does Smoking Do To You".
I also think comparing cig smoke and injecting heroin into someone is alittle / lot exagerated. We've already been bashed to death - and actually do understand the effects it has on our neighbours - but give it a rest already. We smoke outside, we are of fewer numbers ... and I think - the effects my smoke has on you today - is nothing compared to the 300-1000 cars of exhaust you'll be sucking in today just on your way to work. Think about it.
I used perfume as an example - a funny example.
Truth is - like it or not - everything in one way or another will and is killing you. The milk you drink, the air you breathe, the water you drink. The chemicals added to preserve, enhance or prolong the taste and flavor - is killing you. At least as a smoker - I already have been lectured to death - and out of respect to my fellow neighbour, I choose to smoke away from non-smokers.
To end this - Even though ... you will not smell my smoke - maybe nobodies smoke today - enjoy your day filled with chemicals and preservatives - laced with toxic gas fumes and smog - while having a glass of milk laced with hormones and other toxins.
What I'm saying is - give it a rest already - We already know :)
Back to ........ " SMOKERS HOW DO "YOU" COPE" not ..........
How do Non-Smokers Cope - Thanks :P | |
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Posted: 10/6/2008 1:29:01 PM | THANKS !! TATTOOED TECH ..... A SMOKER LOL !!
I'M SURPRISED THEY DIDN'T START ATTACKING FOR HAVING ... TATTOOS LOL !!
DON'T WANT TO GET AWAY FROM "THE SUBJECT" HOWEVER I MUST AGREE WITH YOU ABOUT THIS ...
Truth is - like it or not - everything in one way or another will and is killing you. The milk you drink, the air you breathe, the water you drink. The chemicals added to preserve, enhance or prolong the taste and flavor - is killing you. At least as a smoker - I already have been lectured to death - and out of respect to my fellow neighbour, I choose to smoke away from non-smokers.
YES, YES , ALL THAT CRAP . BUT TO ME THE MOST IMPORTANT "CAUSE" I GUESS, WOULD BE ANYTHING YES ANYTHING IN EXCESS WILL KILL YOU !! (AS THEY SAY FOOD FOR THOUGHT )
I ALWAYS FOUND (IN A GENERAL WAY) THAT NON-SMOKERS ARE VERY AGGRESSIVES/ALWAYS ON THE ATTACK ..... ESPECIALLY EX-SMOKERS . I MEAN EVEN MY OWN SISTER KEEPS NAGGING ME TO QUIT !!
IT JUST SOUND SO CRAZY !! I MEAN HONESTLY , WOULD YOU EVER SEE A SMOKER AT AN OUTSIDE PIC-NIC/BAR-B-Q SCREAMING AT A NON-SMOKER TO START SMOKING BECAUSE HE IS OUTSIDE . LOL !!
NOW !!! BACK TO SUBJECT "HOW DO I COPE !!???!! " LOL
WELL FOR ONE THING I REALLY DON'T TAKE ALL OF THIS SERIOUSLY !! I MEAN I LIVE FOR MYSELF NOT FOR OTHERS !!! NO NOT SELFISHNESS !! FOR EXAMPLE : IF YOU DO WISH TO SAY QUIT SMOKING !! YOU MUST DO IT FOR YOURSELF NOT FOR WHAT OTHER PEOPLE ..... WANT !!
AS FOR MYSELF, I DON'T EVEN HAVE AN ITCHING TO EVEN THINK ABOUT QUITING !!! LOL
THE BEST FOR LAST
give it a rest already. We smoke outside, we are of fewer numbers ... and I think - the effects my smoke has on you today - is nothing compared to the 300-1000 cars of exhaust you'll be sucking in today just on your way to work. Think about it.
THANKS AGAIN TATTOOEDTECH
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Posted: 10/28/2008 2:21:23 PM | very simple
go to kahnawake for gas...94.7 at this moment
stop in for a bite to eat or a coffee...there are still ashtrays in the restaurants there | |
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Posted: 11/30/2008 9:07:07 AM | Good for You!!!
Out of all the craziness I read, You expressed a well thought out, sane opinion!
Freedom,,well it takes a beating sometimes, doesn't it!!!
I agree that business owners should decide,,,that is what they started businesses for!!!
Thank you for daily dose of sanity,,, | |
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