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| England can recover, England must recover..............
Posted: 11/25/2007 6:22:07 AM | msg 25 "Just an observation from a person who knows little about football, but how come we can have a non-English manager, when all the players have to be English? Doesn't make any sense to me."
Excellent point!
An international team is representing that nation, not representing the relative wealth of that nation's footballing authorities.
We have already seen at club level what happens when a team goes outside its area to find players. We get a transfer market that leads to few or no local players representing a team, and rarely does a manager come from the locality. Fine - the 'rules' allow for such things.
However, a national team MUST represent that nation at player level - why shouldn't the management team be subject to the same criteria? If you can 'buy' foreign managers, why can't you 'buy' foreign players?
IMO, although I would celebrate any victories obtained under a foreign manager, it couldn't claim to be an 'English' success. | |
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Posted: 11/25/2007 6:45:35 AM | It is a very good point you make here.
Witness what happened to Scotland when we tried to go down the foreign route viz. Berti Vogts. He managed to guide us to 40-odd in the FIFA rankings, and got us a fair few scuddings in the process.
Once we appointed a Scottish manager, who understood the Scottish psyche, we started to improve and climb the rankings, and we now sit 14th, 2 places behind England. Yes, before you point out that we didnt qualify for Euro 2008 either, I think the fact that we have improved beyond recognition from those dark days of MacVogts, is some consolation, and gives us some hope for the future.
Although you may not take any notice , as I am only a "sweaty", I have had a few thoughts about the recent decline in the standards of Englands play, as a footie fan.
I heard an interesting point just the other week. Although there were only 2 Scottish teams in the Champions League, and 4 English teams, there were actually more Scots on the pitch, than English players. Is this possibly a reason for decline in standards, as if players are not playing at that level on a regular basis, then the "jump" from normal club football to International level is a step too far? Look at the European countries who are regularly in the upper echelons of the rankings, and you will see that these same countries will bring on their young players, and play them at Club level, and not go out and just buy when they need to. I believe, and no doubt you will correct me if I am wrong, that rules in these countries mean that they are restricted to the amount of non-nationals they can play in the team.
Also with regard to managers, I also noticed that only 2 out of the top ten Premiership teams in England, have English managers. Again, you are expecting an English National to take the jump to International level, without proper top level managerial experience.
Although I know it will never happen, I believe that the English media need to take a step back, and allow the new man time to work with the players, and make his own team, without expecting them to be world beaters, before a ball is even kicked. They need to walk before they can run.
Just a few thoughts, from someone viewing from the outside.
P.S. I see Scotland have won the World Cup at Golf. Go on the sweaties!!!!
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| England can recover, England must recover..............
Posted: 11/25/2007 10:59:08 AM | under my opinion England should have an English manager all the time, i mean, a good manager! not those arrogant managers like McLaren who kicked Beckham out of the team, just to show how brave he is and how big his balls are. McLaren just wanted his name to last through the ages as the brave man who threw Beckham into the rubbish bin!
England really suffered not having Becks (any team would suffer not having the best passer of the world and best at free kicks), sadly when Beckham was summoned again he was so 'americanised' that he became crap.
also the FA should be ruled by ex-players, why not Michael Robinson, Steve McManaman, Lineker, etcccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccccc? | |
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Posted: 11/25/2007 1:26:25 PM | | I cant see that England will ever be any good when they keep swapping the managers because there is no consistency. Surely when they lose a game instead of saying its the managers fault get rid , they should work together and think where they went wrong and work on the areas where they need to improve, surely this would be a better and more practical way to go then just sacking another manager. Take kids in a school if they dont get something the first time the teachers will keep plugging away until it clicks. When they are training they need to just keep working on theses things, surely it should be more the case of practice makes perfect, if they keep changing managers surely the team wont know where they are, and it will always be a case of back to square one | |
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Posted: 11/25/2007 1:47:13 PM |
Is that a yes or a no then?
depends what question you are asking! 
we could, but the square pegs in round holes thing was a tongue in cheek reference to half the team last weds and most of the time second choice steve was in charge! | |
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Posted: 11/25/2007 3:25:30 PM |
msg 7 "thats 0800 won nothing won nothing won nothing"
Did I dream the 1966 World Cup?
Wasn't that "won something, won something, won something?"
LMFAO
that was 40 years ago lmfao
get over it lol
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| England can recover, England must recover..............
Posted: 11/25/2007 3:43:42 PM | msg 31 "LMFAO
that was 40 years ago lmfao
get over it lol"
Believe me, there is nothing to 'get over'! It actually gives me a warm glow every time I think about it.
The point I was making was a serious one (relative to the game of football, obviously) regarding remembering history and acknowledging a success and how it was achieved. This is no less important that remembering how a failure occurred. True, the FA is slow to consider the latter, given the slow progress made on the world stage during the 50s and the fact England is more likely to be eliminated by a penalty shoot out than progressing by one (I can only remember one success, against Cameroon in 1990). | |
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Posted: 11/26/2007 6:26:28 AM |
it is a pity to see how a great country with plenty of great footballers is always doomed to fail because of silly managers, whose knowledge of football is similar to mine of building space rockets.
why blame the manager alone i do agree that to give a goalkeeper his debut in such a big match was not the best thing to do and putting square blocks into round holes.but lets face it we do have some good players but hardly enough in depth of real quality really croatia were by far the better team in both matches and this from a country with around 5 million in it
both Mc Laren and Sven Erikson are the worst managers that i have ever seen.
seeing the job erikson is doing at man city because he is not resticted to english players maybe shows that the english players are just not good enough, most teams in world football can play lots of different tactics and formations, what happens when we try it we can,t do it and so we are too easy to play against because of it | |
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Posted: 11/26/2007 7:01:43 AM | They allways blame the managers the players are at fault as well overpaid and no comitment, and why is it the ones who recruited the manager never get slagged off there the ones who took him on,
never offered me the job i would be willing to take it on i know if i****up least i will get a big pay out so theres nothing to win or lose.
and there is no such thing as an all england club these days apart from your local pub team. | |
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| England can recover, England must recover..............
Posted: 11/27/2007 3:03:30 PM | | when are you guys goin to get it? the premiership is the best league in the world because of the mix of english and foreign players,ask ur self who is the the last english manager to win the league and there lies the real problem,all the best managers in the league are "foreign" so its obviously the lack of good coaches that r the problem.and please spare me the crap about academies they just didnt exist when england won the world cup(over 40 years ago now yawn!)as for mourinho why would he want the poisoned chalice that is managing england when he cant spend £150 to improve his team??? | |
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Posted: 11/27/2007 3:33:29 PM | msg 39 "ask ur self who is the the last english manager to win the league"
Howard Wilkinson, with Leeds United!
"the premiership is the best league in the world because of the mix of english and foreign players,"
What exactly makes it 'the best'?
msg 37 "dont forget the two wrld wars as well"
Didn't the Welsh help, then?
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Posted: 11/29/2007 7:24:53 AM |
msg 39 "ask ur self who is the the last english manager to win the league"
Howard Wilkinson, with Leeds United!
"the premiership is the best league in the world because of the mix of english and foreign players,"
What exactly makes it 'the best'?
msg 37 "dont forget the two wrld wars as well"
Didn't the Welsh help, then?
you could have the best manager in the world and still loose, you cant pick a team if you dont have the players, Half of the top clubs players arnt even eligable to play for youlot so how are you going to pick a good side.,
they should limit foriegn players to 1 a side. | |
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Posted: 9/1/2008 3:24:53 PM | maybe we should have a UK England, Ireland (Northern) Scotland, Wales. team, it was explained why not to me once but i have forgoten lol
its time we all clubbed together Look at eurovision were getting batter by europe because we still want to be better than each other, seems like we are a disfunctional family lol
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Posted: 9/1/2008 4:23:14 PM | I read about people who think thats it because of the influx of foreign players preventing English talent from showing through, and while thats true doesn't anyone wonder that managers by from outside the country because home grown players simply are not good enough to make it in the top level.
I mean English football has never really shaken off that boozy culture of the 80's and early 90's, and the amount of money being demanded for an English player as well as a lot of them wanting huge wages because they have allowed themselves to be spoilt. Look at Ashley Cole for example. Is it any wonder that our national team is struggling when the players have let it all go to their heads. | |
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