| Illegal immigrant rescues boy whose mother died in Ariz. crash
Posted: 11/24/2007 10:40:13 PM |
if you want to be technical about it i bet all of our ancestors were illegals at one time back in history
Are you TRYING to offend me or are you being funny?
Members of my family have been in this nation since before the Revolution... There are no illegal immigrants in my family. For you to even post such a ridiculous bunch of lunacy is just....WHAT?!?!?!!!
but if they were to really take jobs of value from us they would have to learn the language
I happen to work in a factory which employs illegal aliens. Many of whom have VERY little functioning knowledge of English. They don't pay taxes, I've seen the pay stubs. EVERY job in this nation is "of value" to some American who doesn't have one because all of the jobs are taken by illegals. Remember the meat-packing house where over 1,000 illegals were apprehended... Americans filled those jobs... | |
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| Illegal immigrant rescues boy whose mother died in Ariz. crash
Posted: 11/24/2007 11:06:19 PM | well as far as a prospective match goes , this being a dating site and all
...reading this thread sure did sort the 'decent folks ' from the idiots....
sorry you better leave now too.....
decent folk have a generosity of spirit i don't see in you. | |
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| Illegal immigrant rescues boy whose mother died in Ariz. crash
Posted: 11/24/2007 11:56:22 PM | | The man chose to stay w/ the kid and I'm sure he knew full well that he would be sent back. That being said, I'm sure the judge he will go before will show some extra consideration for the actions he took. OR, the judge is a moron.... | |
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| Illegal immigrant rescues boy whose mother died in Ariz. crash
Posted: 11/25/2007 12:02:14 AM |
EVERY job in this nation is "of value" to some American who doesn't have one because all of the jobs are taken by illegals. Remember the meat-packing house where over 1,000 illegals were apprehended... Americans filled those jobs...
Mercy sakes alive, looks like we got us a patriot! I'm betting you have one of them rebel flags waving in your front yard AND a matching bumper sticker??
Are you a KKK member????  | |
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| Illegal immigrant rescues boy whose mother died in Ariz. crash
Posted: 11/25/2007 12:22:29 AM | Bl8tant;
I was actually think along the same lines when I read your post.
I would rather live next door to any illegal alien than next door to some of the idiots who post in here. I wasn't even trying to debate theright or wrong of the immigration. I was just seeing if this unique individual's compassion was matched by those who would so quickly disregard him. I am disheartened that my country seems to have completely lost its collective soul sometimes. . .
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| Illegal immigrant rescues boy whose mother died in Ariz. crash
Posted: 11/25/2007 1:56:13 AM |
Mercy sakes alive, looks like we got us a patriot! I'm betting you have one of them rebel flags waving in your front yard AND a matching bumper sticker??
Are you a KKK member????
So this guy points out the fact that meat packing jobs now filled by illegal immigrants were once held by Americans and you equate that with being a KKK member?
Maybe you were being sarcastic?
I dunno. | |
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| Illegal immigrant rescues boy whose mother died in Ariz. crash
Posted: 11/25/2007 6:26:29 AM | Big deal!
He was in the right place at the right time, then did what 85 percent of people in the same situation would have done.
No one said illegal immigrants weren't HUMAN.
Therefore, acting as a decent human fails to change my mind about 20 million people who violated the law to get here should be permitted to remain.
All I ask for is the US to enforce borders like MEXICO enforces her own borders, like any country with half a brain on earth does.
I work in the construction industry. What used to be middle class professions for Americans are now GONE. Forget about it. We're talking hundreds of thousands of $25/hour jobs that are zappo.
So,,, they shipped our manufacturing jobs overseas. Things that MUST be done HERE, like restaurants, gardening and construction, those are all going to illegals.
That leaves OFFICE jobs, awful, restrictive, clock-punching, smiling at the water cooler and living in a cubicle professions for Americans. And beware even in those cases because speaking Spanish is now becoming part of the new hiring criteria.
Saving the child should earn the man the right to walk away from the incident that ONE TIME. Meaning, I would not arrest him for illegally entering the country THAT TIME. If caught again, all bets are off. | |
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| Illegal immigrant rescues boy whose mother died in Ariz. crash
Posted: 11/25/2007 5:02:22 PM | whitetigeress on 11/24/2007 12 07 PM
Subject: Illegal immigrant rescues boy whose mother died in Ariz. crash
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it would make sense for the family to sponsor jesus or at least someone who have allowed this incident to touch them so hoping good karma follows him
Using your analogy. Let's say, I broke into your house and robbed you blind. As I was leaving, there was a wreck. I stopped to help. I still have your stuff. Would you allow me the same karma and let me pass or would you want to see me arrested? After all, I did help save a life, you can always get more stuff and you shouldn't have any problem with your house being broken into. | |
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| Illegal immigrant rescues boy whose mother died in Ariz. crash
Posted: 11/30/2007 11:04:23 AM | [[I think this is a good story and the guy deserves recognition.
But to make some sort of comprehensive assessment on illegal immigration based on this case makes little sense.
Conversely, making the same sort of assessments based on the criminal actions of one individual doesnt make much sense either.
Want to stop illegal immigration? Go after the employers, plain and simple.
My proposal is to fine companies for employing illegal immigrants.
If your business has 1-24 employees the fine is $5000 per illegal
25-100 employees: $25000 per illegal
more than 100: $50,000 per illegal.
Businesses would be agressively investigated after a specified grace period. Have illegals working after the grace period, get fined.
Can't afford the fine? Seizure and auction of the business.
If there weren't an abundance of jobs here for them, they wouldn't be coming. ]]
This is just not enough...
What they need to do is go back to all of those years when this problem first began and factor in all of the lost American wages, taxes, social benefits, roads, etc that these illegals and their children cost and tally up an enormous sum (like $3+ trillion).
Then they go after every company that has hired illegals AND individuals in the Government for allowing this go on so long in a big class action law suit on the behalf of everyone who was an American citizen before this illegal immigration issue got out of control.
Any business that tanks and falls apart deserves nothing less.
After that we can pay off the national debt (Bush and his cronies can pay for Iraq in another suit) and give Americans all of their jobs back so that Made in America does not mean Made in Mexico anymore.
Then finally we might actually see some progress in this country instead of half-assed backwardness. | |
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| Illegal immigrant rescues boy whose mother died in Ariz. crash
Posted: 11/30/2007 11:24:59 AM | I love this story but rather doubt anyone who hates will stop hating,....
it's hard to give up hate,....
and I particularly love the irony of the name,..especially this time of year,....
but even that's not enough for some,...to give up on their deamons,....
and if every hispanic speaking person legal or illegal left today,...
their demons would just have a different face and speak some other language,...as history has shown us,....
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| Illegal immigrant rescues boy whose mother died in Ariz. crash
Posted: 11/30/2007 12:03:54 PM | [[I love this story but rather doubt anyone who hates will stop hating,....
it's hard to give up hate,....
and I particularly love the irony of the name,..especially this time of year,....
but even that's not enough for some,...to give up on their deamons,....
and if every hispanic speaking person legal or illegal left today,...
their demons would just have a different face and speak some other language,...as history has shown us,....]]
What are you talking about?
'Hispanic speaking'?
This is about illegal immigration in the United States not 'deamons' and 'hispanic speakers'.
There is also no irony in the name - Jesus is a common name among Mexicans.
It would be like saying, "Oh wow, someone named Joe saved an orphan in the US - he must be like Joseph, the Father of JESUS." | |
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| Illegal immigrant rescues boy whose mother died in Ariz. crash
Posted: 11/30/2007 1:45:44 PM | Some of the posters here are a bit prejudiced. Those who are would be pretty quick to act if a situation arose that shook your foundation or messed in your personal comfort zone.
When it's an action removed from you or won't affect your way of life then, it's easy to say, oh, they are just innocents looking to improve their life. You say that with no investigating the facts on how Illegal Immigrants adversely affect the nation.
Take Canada for instance. Let's say, a nation of refugees saw Canada as an open space to flee to. They are tired, hungry and weary of war. Only a third of them are terrorists or criminals. You get a few who are willing to go through your Immigration process. However, there are a few million more who don't think they need to ask your permission and start just moving in. How do you propose to handle them. Especially, when they expect you to speak their native tongue. Also, they bring with them third world disease. On top of that, Employers see a way to make a higher profit by paying lower wages and avoiding paying into the tax system. You get booted because you aren't willing to take a big pay cut or work faster and longer.
A final point. The word hate is passed along real easily here. I haven't seen too much hateful expressions written in this thread. I do recognize one Canadian woman who was banned from another sight for foul language and stating she hates Americans.
So, if you imagine hate, or are biased and don't agree, I guess throwing out the word hate is convienient. | |
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| Illegal immigrant rescues boy whose mother died in Ariz. crash
Posted: 11/30/2007 3:55:43 PM | we have room up here for all, I am sure you have room for all considering your population is only around 35 million and Canada is bigger than the U.S.. But you only have around 200,000 illegals now and your system is having issues with that many, imagine if you were to have around 70 times that. | |
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| Illegal immigrant rescues boy whose mother died in Ariz. crash
Posted: 11/30/2007 3:58:24 PM | That may be the way you see it. Your government, particularly Windsor was crying about being flooded wit about 400 Illegals. In 1 month, they had run up a maint. bill of only $39,000.00. The opinions ranged from, like yours to let relocate them to the tundra to die.
Windsor Star, Sept., 07.
What is your city? I am on other sites and can recommend they move up to your town.
Have to add. After reading a bit on how you treated Blacks in Nova Scotia, even after serving in your military. Such a shamefull history! I think the Illegals would be better off back in Mexico. | |
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| Illegal immigrant rescues boy whose mother died in Ariz. crash
Posted: 12/1/2007 7:11:49 AM |
I'd rather live next to an illegal family probably wont have to wait to long to get your wish...lol It is so easy to say people are filled with hate. Can't speak for anyone else on here but I don't hate the illegals.I just think they don't need to be here. I hate what is happening to our Country and I hate that the average American refuses to see any of the negative that is caused by Illegal immigration. In a perfect world America could take care of everyone but the world is not perfect and America needs to take care of it self and its citizens first then we will be in a better postion to help others who need it. What the illegal did was the right thing to do thats all, sneaking in to the country was the wrong thing to do. He should not be given citizenship because of what he did. If someone was robbing a bank and one of the customers passed out and the robber gave the man CPR and saved his life. Would he not still be guilty of attempted robbery?They may be more lenient at sentencing but no one would expect him to get a way scot-free. What all of you are not accepting is that the Laws regarding immigration are no less valid than any other laws in America nor should they be.No Society can support uncontrolled immigration thats why the laws were emplaced. The reality is that there is more to immigration than illegals just trying to make a better life! Of course they are, aren't we all? Shouldn't our rights as Citizens have some significance? | |
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| Illegal immigrant rescues boy whose mother died in Ariz. crash
Posted: 12/1/2007 7:40:33 AM |
Does this change anyone's opinion about immigrants, illegal or otherwise? Nope ... I was married to a German man, and went through a lot to get him into the US, and I don't see why others can't take the legal route as well. Mind you, my husband ... at the time (I was married to him for over 22 years and we had 4 children) ... had been a legal alien (green card) at the time we married and then we moved to Germany for 10 years. He gave up the green card at that time, so he had to go through the application process once again when we moved back to the US.
Moreover, how ironic that it was an immigrant named Jesus that saved the child. What does that have to do with the price of eggs in China? Do we have to put a religious (or political for that matter) slant on everything that occurs in the world today? Would you have been just as impressed if the man's name would have been Muhammad? | |
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| Illegal immigrant rescues boy whose mother died in Ariz. crash
Posted: 12/1/2007 4:36:37 PM | Yes this is one example ,this is the first one that I've seen. When you consider there are millions of illegal alliens in our country,thats a real poor showing. More often what we hear are the stories of the illegals driving drunk, killing or god knows what else. Too say nothing of the drugs that come across the border. Our borders need to be closed tight, thats north and south. Some type of control has to be put in place to regulate who comes in. We're all immigrants here,but our grandfathers thought enough of this country to obey the laws ,learn the language & become citizens. Let me ask you a question what would you do if I broke into your house and made myself at home. Then sent the goodies that I found back to my home. Then I invite millions and millions of my friends who take goodies. YOU WOULD BE PISSED ! It's also an insult to every immigrant that has done it the right way. He did save this boy but what are the other examples you were talking about | |
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| Illegal immigrant rescues boy whose mother died in Ariz. crash
Posted: 12/1/2007 4:41:05 PM | Gotta love these warm and fuzzy stories meant to distort the reality of things.
Key fallacy in the article: What the man did was not a result of his being illegal, thus any conjectures made about illegals are fallacious at best.
Which basically makes this article useless for its intention. | |
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| Illegal immigrant rescues boy whose mother died in Ariz. crash
Posted: 12/1/2007 5:01:08 PM |
Key fallacy in the article: What the man did was not a result of his being illegal, thus any conjectures made about illegals are fallacious at best.
I am sorry, but I do not understand your thinking here.
So how do you come to the conclustion, that it was not a result of him being illegal?
He enter the US illegaly.
Now if he did not come into the US illegaly, He would not have been there for the boy. | |
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Posted: 12/1/2007 5:14:32 PM | ...
Had this been a murderer who just escaped from prison and stumbled across the boy, would you say that because he is an escaped murderer, he saved a boy?
The guy just happened to be there... his illegality is IRRELEVANT. | |
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| Illegal immigrant rescues boy whose mother died in Ariz. crash
Posted: 12/1/2007 5:23:31 PM | Here are some warm and fuzzy facts these were taken from another blog. Here are some other things these the illegals are doing for us.
I hope the following 14 reasons are enough
1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare! to illegal aliens each year. http://tinyurl.com/zob77
2. $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens. http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
3 . $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English! http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.htm l
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spe nt for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
6. $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
7. 30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
8. $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the American taxpayers.
http://premium.cnn.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.html
9. $200 Billion Dollars a year in suppressed American wages are
caused by the illegal aliens.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.html
10. The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that's two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.html
11. During the year of 2005 there were 4 t o 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also , as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroine and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border. Homeland Security Report: http://tinyurl.com/t9sht
12. The National Policy Institute, "estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period." http://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/pdf/d e portation.pdf
13. In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances! back to their countries of origin. http://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm
14. "The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One Million Sex Crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States ".
http://www.drdsk.com/articleshtml
The total cost is a whopping
$ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR My questions still haven't been answered
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| Illegal immigrant rescues boy whose mother died in Ariz. crash
Posted: 12/2/2007 10:59:31 AM |
More often what we hear are the stories of the illegals driving drunk, killing or god knows what else. Unfortunately ... this is true.
Our borders need to be closed tight, thats north and south. I think it would have sufficed just to say we need to close our borders ... for now.
Some type of control has to be put in place to regulate who comes in. I totally agree with that ... we also need to be limiting the "refugees" and "political asylum" population entering the country.
A lot of folks don't realize that the immigration of some are limited to certain numbers each year. For example ... there is a limited number of immigrants allowed each year from "developed" countries and there are unlimited numbers of immigrants allowed in from "refugee" countries (third-world countries) as well as those seeking "political asylum".
Something else a lot of people do not realize is that all of those who enter our country in the "refugee" and "political asylum" category, qualify for immediate Welfare benefits ... where our own citizens must wait up to 12 weeks and more to get benefits.
Additionally, they also qualify for educational grants (not loans that have to be paid back), but outright grants ... GIFTS of money to go to school. Our own citizens do not qualify for such grants ... they are there precisely for the refugees and those here on political asylum. Even the immigrants from the "developed" countries do not qualify for them.
So if you think charity begins at home ... think again.
3 . $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.html I don't know anything about the background of the report that was quoted, but since I worked with the Medicaid system for over 8 years, I do know that "illegals" do not get Medicaid.
If a person cannot produce an ID that they are legally in the U.S., they do not get Medicaid or Food Stamps. Even illegal immigrants with children born in the U.S. only eventually qualify to get Medicaid or Food Stamps for the "legal" child ... not the entire family. Even then, a "legal" relative has to be the one who is applying for the help ... the child has to be in the legal custody of a legal person in order for them to get benefits.
Applying for such benefits would identify the parents as "illegals" and eventually set them up for deportation, so if anything, most of them are simply not even applying for those benefits. They have been known to use the emergency rooms for medical service since they can go there without ID and medical insurance. But actually, they rarely apply for any type of benefits because they risk getting found out. | |
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