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Posted: 3/19/2008 9:55:44 AM |
admire men and women like Tiger ~ that refused to be labeled as such. ~ They refuse to allow the past to dictate their future.
Yeah the house slaves never thought slavery was as big of a deal as the field slaves made it out to be...lol
It all comes from the environment you grew up. I grew up in small town East Texas the posture child for racism. So I've seen some of the meanest and harsh racism around so ofcourse my view will be a lil different from others who may not have experienced what i experienced. It's hard not to let the past dictate you when so many others judge you by the past of others. Especially here in the Ft Worth area. | |
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Posted: 3/19/2008 11:01:22 AM | | I like Tiger's personality and he is clearly amazing when it comes to golf. I don't admire the fact that he denies that he is Black. With all the time his father spent with him and all the sacrifices him made when Tiger was little, it's a slap in the fact to Mr. Woods. I was surprised to find that he was superficial and that he married that supposedly supermodel. (No one had ever heard of her.) | |
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Posted: 3/19/2008 11:23:42 AM |
We need schools that can make learning a positive experience, not a negative one. I refuse to accept that we can sit there and somehow decide some kids are bright, and others are stupid - and leave them to their fates.
I think you can reach most of them, if you understand what motivates them. If you are too ready to give up on them, don't be surprised if they give up on themselves. There are many types of intelligence, and they can all be worked with.
I definitely agree with this. As someone who experienced being put into a focused math class and benefiting from it - I truly believe that with effort on all parts, each child can succeed (not all A students, but definitely not all fail marks either!)
I found some classes incredibly boring in school and if the teacher was not into the curriculum, well neither was I! The more bored I was, the less I cared. Enthusiasm on both the teacher and student's side goes a long way. I always excelled at the classes where a) teacher was strict or b) teacher really enjoyed teaching. Both those types of teachers seem to "care" more about the subject and students in general and I in turn responded well to their enthusiasm and caring. | |
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Posted: 3/21/2008 7:19:41 PM | There is undesired need for these schools,
but the need for it may be decreasing as more
non-white parents are Canadian born and have
an appreciative understanding of the
schools system.
Most of the public school seem ignorant about
the racist behaviors and some seem that they have
simply made peace with the fact that they racially
discriminate.
I can tell you some stories, but that would not
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Posted: 4/5/2008 11:25:01 PM |
If the Arabs considered themselves to be African as such or if the world did, they would have included Arab north African countries in their aid packages but they didn't.
Check it.When the G8 gves aid to Africa or when the celebs gve aid....its only to Black Africa not all of Africa .Thats because the Arabs do not need or require it . They are not AFRICAN . They are Arab .
They are African through and through. As Islam spread throughout Africa, many Africans began to equate themselves with being Arab in order to feel closer to Mohammed. Just as in places where there is White Jesus, people there will associate perfection with being white, common in many Central/South American countries. The term is "arabization".
As I said before, regardless of what they consider themselves its a fact of what they ARE. The Kenyan, Sudanese and Somalis share the same characteristics with Egyptians yet they are darker. Once again, it makes no difference the SKIN color, Africa has almost EVERY phenotype in the human genome.
Arab identity in Egypt is mainly government mandated, if you look at Sadat and Nassir u can clearly see they are Africans, in fact, I believe one of them even had a Sudanese mother whom they never really acknowledged. The reasoning was to become a unifying force across the former ottoman empire states.
As far as North Africans not being "black", that's another misconception. If you actually go to North African countries you will see INDIGENOUS and ANCIENT people there of ALL colors. Once again in Africa color is not important, whites define Africans by color, Africans did not historically do this. Gadafi the president of Libya considers himself an arab, but guess what? He also considers himself black, and if u look at him u can tell he is distinctly African. He has supported various revolutionary movements in both the U.S and around the world by blacks.
BTW, as far as middle easterners being caucasian, in the case of a dark skinned Indian man, the Supreme Court ruled long ago that being Caucasian did not make you white. I think its further interesting to note that most Indians are descended directly from Africans that settled into the continent long, long, long ago. | |
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Posted: 4/5/2008 11:25:38 PM |
I think its further interesting to note that most Indians are descended directly from Africans that settled into the continent long, long, long ago.
black africans that is for ppl who like to make the distinction. | |
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Posted: 4/6/2008 9:25:22 AM | ^^^^^^^^^^
And pigs can fly too.....lol
Arabs are caucasian as are Indian and surprise surprise....we are not talking skin colour.We are talking skin colour and features . We have been to Arab countries and seen Arabs and they make a distiction and so does the world .Africans can see the distinction and maybe you want to be passed off as Arabs ?lol.....its no good picking up some guy like Nasser who may have had one black parent.Its like claiming all whites look like Obama !
I have seen Arabs here and Indians here and never once have I or anybody thought they were African or black.....
Sure you want black focused schools and claim every last thing is black but no need to be ridiculous with it.
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Posted: 5/16/2008 9:32:33 AM |
Arabs are caucasian as are Indian and surprise surprise....we are not talking skin colour.We are talking skin colour and features . You misunderstand many concepts. 1st yes, according the the 18thcentury biased Europeans who devised the "system" of "racial" classification most commonly used today "Arabs" and Indians are catagorilized under a term caucasiod. Eruopeans also fell into that category. Thus the majority of "Caucasiods" are in fact non europeans. In fact the majority are dark skinned or as the US court would state...non white. Therefore you are misusing various concepts and terms. Even the "other features" used in this pseudo scientific classification system was and remains dubious. In fact it was so appropriately pointed out by Dr. Dubois that had most of the Pharoahs traveled up into time and found themselves in the Montgomery Alabama in 1955 trying to catch a bus ride to the US state department he would have had to sit in the back! He would have had to use the "Coloured only" restroom and drinking fountain. Prior to european imperialsim "arabs" never considered themselves to be of the same geneology as europeans. Nor did Indians. thosse who ascribe to it have been taught to do so by......europeans who ascribe to it. In fact Itailians and Greeks considered themselves something other in ancient time.
Now, lets look at the CONCEPT/idea of the similarities of Arabs and Africans. The classification of Arab is as more cultural and linguistic as it is based upon geneology. Fact is that Arabs are not a "race" its a cultural linguistic geographical classification.Berbers do NOT look like most Saudis nor are they of the same DNA. Actually they share more likeness to other Africans than Saudis and Syrians. This same thing is even more true of "Arabs" who share the geographical peninsula with Saudi Arabia such as those in the countries of Yemen, Qatar and Oman who share not only more morphological likeness to Ethiopians,Eritreans and Somalis than to most Saudis but also have outside of religion and natioanl language more cultural likeness to those Africans as well. This is confirmed by DNA.
Fact is that Indians share the closest cultural link to East Africans than to any group of Europeans. That, not to mention the obvious morphological similarities to east Africans. In fact, the British called them "black". Recent DNA studies show that they in fact share the most genes with Ethiopians, eretreans, Somalis , Yemenis and such than any other group outside of the continet of Africa.In fact due to the fact that some animals and many plants are found in the Indian subcontinent that are only found in Africa also leads most scholars to conclude that India was once a part of the continent of Africa prior to continental shift which broke them apart. Therefore, YES they are labeled "caucasian"/caucasiod" by those dumb enough to still ascribe to the archaic biased faulted system of human classification used by 18th century bigoted Europeans, however in reality genetically they are more African from the horn.
The question this brings us to is....what is "black"? Does African mean "black"? The answer to the former is many things. Black is a color. THAT is the ONLY thing that can be said with uniformed agreement. As it relates to people and label it has serious issues. to begin with; most people who would possibly identify themselves as "black" are in fact more brown. We actually should think outside of the box. Perhaps what is "black" pertains to what is indigenusly African as well as that of the African Diaspora which would/could include those things Indian as well as Oceanic in obvious addition to things of English and Latin African American origin. At least for the sake of this discussion we can apply the term as such. Therefore, "black focus" schools would FOCUS on things that are of the African diaspora and of Africa as it relates to history, sociology, liturature and music, with a much greater and accurate representation of the contributions of men and women of African and African diasporic descent.
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Posted: 5/16/2008 9:50:19 AM | This is an old topic and is been around for sometime. I see it all the time i TV.. how they are emphasizing Black people more then white people. To me we are all human beings not judged by colour. But on tv the the USA is basically a black world. You see tv shows how Black peopel who start thier own business.. HEY THATS GREAT . Thats great for anyone who can do that.. Black, white blue green what ever colour.
But when you see nothing but these businesses/schools tv shows.. etc etc catering to ONLY the blacks .. with slogans like "Black Power Rules". "Black IS beautiful? etc etc.. and can get away with it So easily!
But lets look at if a white person started a business/school etc etc that catered to ONLY WHITES? Or had slogans like "WHITE POWER RULES" oR "WHITE Is BEAUTIFUL"... They (the WHITE people) would be called the "Predjudice"! Riots would start etc etc etc! Is that fair?!
I see it on apllications too.. where they asked you if you are White (cuacasion) Black, Native amercian, Asian, etc etc etc .. DOES IT REALLY MATTER?! So you see the whole world is full of predjudism!
Thats why I say WE are ALL humans we should be treated alike!
*edited... come to think of it.. i just watched a tv show the other day about Muslim Stand up Comics who are doing thier comedy acts to rant agasint the amercians who are judging them based on the 911 incident. I think it is wrong that peopel are judging other people based on thier Race, cause of somethign someone else did?!
If that was the case DO the americans SILL hold Japanese people responsible for Peral Harbour?! Do the Polish and French STILL hold the germans responsible for The Halocaust?! See what i am saying?! Holding something against someone just cuase of thier race or religion based on what someone else did is just really sick and still just nothing but predjudism!
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Posted: 5/16/2008 10:13:00 AM | Just as in places where there is White Jesus
Just for the record -- Jesus was NOT white! He was Hebrew, Black, and Arabic. If you don't believe me -- look up your Bible geneologies.
Pesonally, I think that having the black centered schoools is a Good idea. They could follow the "shcool within a school" concept -- meaning that they would be in the same school buildings so that students of all races could continue to associate with each, and so that faciilities would be equal.
Black students who wanted a mainstream education could attend the regular classes, and be graded by the same standards as whites, hispanics, and others; an also learn mainstream values. The mainstream schools would, of course continue to have teachers of all races.
The black centered schools could have only black teachers and administrators, and black values, methods of discipline and educational standards could be taught as their administration would pick the cirriculum and standards. And, of course students of all races could be allowed in their classes, too.
I think this would solve a lot of problems in the schools: such as students who beleive they are being treated unfairly, different standards of grading, different discpline, and different versions of history, culture, and social sciences. | |
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Posted: 5/16/2008 10:29:04 AM |
I think this would solve a lot of problems in the schools: such as students who beleive they are being treated unfairly, different standards of grading, different discpline, and different versions of history, culture, and social sciences.
So your saying this is a good idea?! but the problem with that is that whathappens if it is a white cuacasion student?! who is having problems with discipline? or feels that they are being treated unfairly?! etc etc! You are saying he/she/they are "Just Sheet Out of Luck" and can not attend that school, cause he is NOT Black! Thats what I am saying is a prime example of predjudism!! | |
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Posted: 5/18/2008 10:09:19 PM | One of the biggest issues faced not only in our schools but among adults is ignorance.I present quotes from the following post
see it all the time i TV.. how they are emphasizing Black people more then white peopleTo me we are all human beings not judged by colour. But on tv the the USA is basically a black world.....
Its a ridiculous statement however IF its shown "ALL THE TIME" surely examples can be easily produced.
But when you see nothing but these businesses/schools tv shows.. etc etc catering to ONLY the blacks .. with slogans like "Black Power Rules". "
Surely you jest Show examples of TV shows and OR businesses that have "SLOGANS LIKE BLACK POWER RULES" Surely if YOU "see nothing but" them you can easily present examples. Perhaps, the effect of drugs is seriously clouding your grasp of reality.
I see it on apllications too.. where they asked you if you are White (cuacasion) Black, Native amercian, Asian, etc etc etc .. DOES IT REALLY MATTER?!
It shouldn't. Now, who do you think devised those applications or the system that causes them to be used? Why?
You are saying he/she/they are "Just Sheet Out of Luck" and can not attend that school, cause he is NOT Black! uuuummmm....NO!
Perhaps if you'll read my earlier post on this topic soberly you may undestand the valued in an "Afro centric" school. You'd also see clearly that an afrocentric school is NOT a school in which ONLY students of the African diaspora can attend. Any child could attend. In fact it would benefit a student of european descent to attend a school as such. It would be sort of a cultural emersion experince. It happens everyday at historically black colleges ie Morris Brown, Moorehous, Howard, Florida A&M, Southern, Grambling ect. Furthermore, dont further confuse yourself. The school in question and school system immediately in question is in Ontario, Canada. Sure, examples of successful endevours elsewhere, including the USA can be used but never lose focus that the school in question is in Canada. | |
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Posted: 5/19/2008 8:23:21 AM | | As long as we cater to the alleged needs of African-Americans and to allow themselves to segregate themselves and teach that they do not succeed in a "White Society" because Whites are Racists and the system is biased, we will not have a cohesive environment and racism will be perpetuated...The concept of Focusing on any one race when educating our children seems to me to be a bad idea, besides if you have an Afrocentric school wouldn't teaching about those cultures and countries be to complex...after all Africa is made up of many different countries with extremely diverse cultures and beliefs....Another issue that needs to be addressed, Why are all "Black" Americans considered African American,according to some we all originated in Africa? | |
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Posted: 5/19/2008 11:32:02 AM |
As long as we cater to the alleged needs of African-Americans and to allow themselves to segregate themselves and teach that they do not succeed in a "White Society" because Whites are Racists and the system is biased, we will not have a cohesive environment and racism will be perpetuated. Again, misinformation and ignorance along with knee jerk reaction has led to that comment. When were African Americans "catered" to any more than other American groups? I, from studying history know of US aparthied which segregated African Americans, however there has NEVER been a time when African Americans in majority have segregated themselves. The FACT is that unlike any other group the melting pot simply was never allowed to include African Americans in the USA. African Americans have been "borrowed' from however integration came in many cases through force. THis of course is changing however, never confuse the quoted revisionist perception with REALITY. Has bias been PROVEN in education and nearly every other aspect of American society? YES. Has it lessened in many areas? Yes. Does institutional racism still exist? yes. Has it lessened? yes. What prepetuate racism is IGNORANCE.
The concept of Focusing on any one race when educating our children seems to me to be a bad idea Its essentially what has occured in the educational system in the USA since its inception. You based upon your comments are a product of it and have yet to understand the limiting perspectives of your indoctrination.
besides if you have an Afrocentric school wouldn't teaching about those cultures and countries be to complex Perhaps that statement was well meaning, however it does exemplify my eariler statement;misinformation and ignorance along with knee jerk reaction has led to that comment. The quoted staement is certainly one of the most ridiculous statements on this thread. It also shows the ignorance inherited in many who post opposition to this concept which in many places is reality.Afro centric shcools exist and have existed. They do extremely well and have done so for many decades. They do not and have not produced segregation, they have led to the progress of hunanity in the USA. Dr. Martin luther King Jr was a product of an Afro Centric university.....Moorehouse College. what did he do? | |
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Posted: 5/19/2008 12:35:42 PM | So the Black American population is longing for the days of Jim Crow Law and the perpetuation of the concept of separate but equal?
In what possible way does isolation benefit the black society? In what way does the lowering of educational standards benefit the black society? In what way does a solely black focused education benefit the black society? Segregating black students and giving them an afrocentric education will not prepare the students for life in the real world. They will grow up in an afrocentric world and then be rudely awakened by the reality of life.
This isolationist theory of education flies in the face of current educational theory that relies heavily of the concept of inclusion and main streaming. Students of all abilities and capabilities are included in the mainstream class and taught the their specific abilities. This concept works well with students of all levels of physical and emotional ability.
What we are seeing, once again, is the black society (or a portion thereof) not working towards the concepts of equality and inclusion but rather towards the concept of isolation and exclusion.
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Posted: 5/19/2008 4:23:39 PM | I think this would solve a lot of problems in the schools: such as students who beleive they are being treated unfairly, different standards of grading, different discpline, and different versions of history, culture, and social sciences.
So your saying this is a good idea?! but the problem with that is that whathappens if it is a white cuacasion student?! who is having problems with discipline? or feels that they are being treated unfairly?! etc etc! You are saying he/she/they are "Just Sheet Out of Luck" and can not attend that school, cause he is NOT Black! Thats what I am saying is a prime example of predjudism!!
I do believe I mis-spoke -- what I meant to say was that Black students who feel that they are mistreated due to "institutionalized racism" BECAUSE OF THEIR SKIN COLOR would be able to be judged by their own cultural values, and by their own peers.
I certainly did NOT mean to implythat white students who had discipline problems in mainstream education programs were "sheet out of luck" or that they would not be aforded any other more appropriate means of recourse.
The only problem that this plan would addrees re:alleged unfairness, would be unfairness to blacks because of skin color.
Racial issues are certainly NOT the only problems had in our public schools -- but that is just ONE type of them.
Many blacks have alleged that the various problems of INSTITUTIONALIZED RACISM cannot be addressed in multiethinic schools. And they have stated that they would prefer to try this type of program -- why not afford this oppportunity for those who want it?
And we certainly DO NOT want to go back to the days of "Jim Crow", segreation, un-equal faciliites. So, the answer I have suggested would be worth a try. Once again -- NO student would be forced into ANY classroom because of his/her race. | |
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Posted: 5/19/2008 10:35:20 PM | | Actually the only ignorance displayed is that of the Americans who classify themselves as African American based solely on their skin color...of course you missed the point completely..Africa is a more diverse Continent than North America or Europe it is made up of many different cultures and peoples of various colors who at times have been at war and committed atrocities against each other and yet Most Americans wh0 happen to be "Black" are Ok with calling themselves African American without having any idea of what country of origin they are claiming, what tribe, religious background or anything else....how would it sound if "Whites" in America labeled themselves as European Americans, are there no differences between Germany and Spain, Italy and Portugal? | |
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Posted: 5/20/2008 3:45:37 AM |
Actually the only ignorance displayed is that of the Americans who classify themselves as African American based solely on their skin color Again ignorance is displayed in yet another post. Its apparent that you dont get out much. African Americans do NOT classify themselves as such "soely due to skin color"! I find it incredible that in this day there are people still that ignorant as to believe that this could be the case. Why not THINK BEFORE posting?
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...how would it sound if "Whites" in America labeled themselves as European Americans, are there no differences between Germany and Spain, Italy and Portugal? It seems you really are that limited in your grasp of REALITY and logical thought.1) you must be confused to believe that someone other than European Americans 'care" about 'how it would "sound' if they used the term European American rather than "white". Lets examine the merit of the 2 terms. how many people actually are white? Melenin deficient....pinkish,palish,......ok..but how many people are actually white? What MERIT does the term have in describing a group of people/ Compare that to European American.....are those who call themselves 'white" of majorly European decsent? YES. Are they American and reflective of some american experience even if that includes some limited mixture with other Americans? Yes!
What is an African American? Simply put an American whose traceable and definable ancestry is from the continent of Africa and part of the African diaspora.
What is a white? Do all 'whites" have the same religious background? Do they all know the religious background of their ancestors? Do they all know the national origin of all of their ancestors? Do they all know the tribal ancesty of their ancestors?...again...what is a "white'?
The irony of your post is that you make a statement that you find it ignorant that some African Americans classify themselves as such "solely based upon skin color". Of course you are misinformed on your premise, however, more laughable is the fact that YOU classify African Americans as 'black " and European Americans as "white" based upon skin color. If not why would you infer that African Americans use skin color as the base of cultural classification?
Do you EVER actually THINK things through BEFORE posting?
who at times have been at war and committed atrocities against each other The fact that you included that in your statement tips your hat to your negative sentiment which clouds your ability to reason outside of simply being grossly misinformed and unknowledgable. Yes, Africa and Asia are the worlds 2 largest continents and the most diverse. Yes, there have been major wars and attrocities in Europe as well as Africa,Asia and North America.
Lastly a group of people have the right to choose what they'd like to call themselves. If European Americans want to call themselves "white" those who do may have at it. However, the arrogance of actually seeming offended that another group would choose to call themselves by a name other than that which is most comfortable to "whites" or understandable to those who are too ignorant to even understand the ridiculousness of "race" is pathethic.
You would be well served to be a student in an "Afro centric" elementary school....or any school that acually teaches reason and accurate history. | |
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Posted: 5/20/2008 4:22:47 AM |
In fact the majority are dark skinned or as the US court would state...non white. Therefore you are misusing various concepts and terms. Even the "other features" used in this pseudo scientific classification system was and remains dubious. In fact it was so appropriately pointed out by Dr. Dubois that had most of the Pharoahs traveled up into time and found themselves in the Montgomery Alabama in 1955 trying to catch a bus ride to the US state department he would have had to sit in the back! He would have had to use the "Coloured only" restroom and drinking fountain. Prior to european imperialsim "arabs" never considered themselves to be of the same geneology as europeans. Nor did Indians. thosse who ascribe to it have been taught to do so by......europeans who ascribe to it. In fact Itailians and Greeks considered themselves something other in ancient time.
Now, lets look at the CONCEPT/idea of the similarities of Arabs and Africans. The classification of Arab is as more cultural and linguistic as it is based upon geneology. Fact is that Arabs are not a "race" its a cultural linguistic geographical classification.Berbers do NOT look like most Saudis nor are they of the same DNA. Actually they share more likeness to other Africans than Saudis and Syrians. This same thing is even more true of "Arabs" who share the geographical peninsula with Saudi Arabia such as those in the countries of Yemen, Qatar and Oman who share not only more morphological likeness to Ethiopians,Eritreans and Somalis than to most Saudis but also have outside of religion and natioanl language more cultural likeness to those Africans as well. This is confirmed by DNA.
Fact is that Indians share the closest cultural link to East Africans than to any group of Europeans. That, not to mention the obvious morphological similarities to east Africans. In fact, the British called them "black". Recent DNA studies show that they in fact share the most genes with Ethiopians, eretreans, Somalis , Yemenis and such than any other group outside of the continet of Africa.In fact due to the fact that some animals and many plants are found in the Indian subcontinent that are only found in Africa also leads most scholars to conclude that India was once a part of the continent of Africa prior to continental shift which broke them apart. Therefore, YES they are labeled "caucasian"/caucasiod" by those dumb enough to still ascribe to the archaic biased faulted system of human classification used by 18th century bigoted Europeans, however in reality genetically they are more African from the horn.
Caucasians are caucasians be they white or brown.So that again is ME,Arab north Africa,India and Europe. You brought in colour....now I do. The Arab and Indian culture is so far removed from African that you are talking the moon or Mars .
I have seen Arabs ,Indians,Africans and Somalians,Eritrians etc and they do not look remotely alike aside from the obvious of arms,legs and eyes etc .
The black African promotion at the expense of other people and other groups is getting past a joke . Good luck with the storytelling though.
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Posted: 5/20/2008 6:24:06 AM | Opening a store and placing a sign out front saying "Whites Only", would be racist. But how on earth can anyone compare doing that with having a Black Focussed School?
Just recently I read a book by Chis Darden, the prosecutor in the OJ case. It was a real eye opener on what that Black gentleman faced during a trial that turned into a court room race war. He faced issues that I was completely ignorant of prior to reading that book.
From what I understand, the idea of this school, is not to exclude whites , but rather to focus on Black issues, history etc. What could possibly be wrong with that if it helps one child graduate who wouldnt have other wise ?
Hey, I am proud of my Scot and English heritage, doesnt make me a racist anymore than it will a Black individual learning about Martin Luther King and Black or African history , a racist. The fact is, a Black person has a different battle in graduationg than a white person does. Or a woman for that matter , when you read that book, Marcia Clark being a woman had different issues than Chris Darden did . Perhaps a girl who has low self esteem issues, might benifit from a female focussed prgram.
If it helps one kid, facing problems graduating then I say go for it, nothing wrong with it at all, I think. | |
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Posted: 5/20/2008 2:53:48 PM |
From what I understand, the idea of this school, is not to exclude whites , but rather to focus on Black issues, history etc. What could possibly be wrong with that if it helps one child graduate who wouldnt have other wise ?
Finally someone with common sense. Too bad most posting in this forum don't understand what the schools are really focusing on. They just want a forum to discuss how blacks are trying to segregate themselves and use their race cards. | |
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Posted: 5/20/2008 6:09:25 PM | | Something that most of you will NEVER understand (through no fault of your own) is, ALL the education every child gets in western society, is Euro-centric. History is often His-story, and not necessarily factual. How many things were you taught in school ,by well meaning educators, that turned out NOT to be true, or at least complete information? One example if I may: Greece has always been taught as the cradle of civilization, and it is.... the cradle of Western civilization. Greece got EVERYTHING from Egypt. Goverment,art, even their pantheon of God's was directly taken from Egypt. this is not debatable read it for yourself. I went to a freaking gifted school with accelerated curriculum, I never heard of this stuff before....ever. Consider this people. What if I was in charge of teaching you about your family. Now let's suppose I didn't necessarily like certain people in your family, and used some editorial licence when teaching you about them. You grew up with a scewed, incomplete idea of who you are and where you've comefrom. Let's say your grandmother was a nurse who helped hundreds of soldiers in the war or something, and I told you that she was a traitor and a spy that 'killed' hundred of her own soldiers during that war....and you thought it was true because thats what history (my history) has told you. SOunds kinda silly huh? Well this is waht happens to millions of children around the world daily. As far as I was taught, all American Indians are bloodthirsty godless savages, Cloumbus 'discovered' America, ancient Egyptians aren't 'African'(Even though Egypt is now and awlays has been IN Africa. All the Chineese immigrant who helped build the railroads in the American west were all illiterate, opium smoking thieves....Starting to get the pattern? All this was told from a decidely euro-centric ,anglo-saxon (white male)perpective. Now imagine you're Native american , or Chinese, or any non-cacasian race, and all you're taught is how good white people are,and how not you are. it will affect how you see yourself, you'll always think that the white way is the right way. Afro-centric schools are not designed to be separatist. (regardless of what I'm sure many of you think) It's simply meant to teach black kids regular history, without the contributions of their ancestors being negated, minimalized,mis-interpreted,and maligned. It's to teach them that before they were the sons and daughter of slaves, they were sons and daughters of kings and queens that ruled the world long before any European nation did. I think that even if you are caucasian, it would be of some benfit to look at history as well as current society from a non Euro-cenrtic viewpoint. I'm sure while it would broaden your perpective on things, it may even remove some predjudices, and pre-conceived notions that you may have about the rest of the world( who by and large, are in fact non- caucasian). Each person is entitled to her their own story without distortion. Blacks,Asians, all the caucasian ethnicities as well. Think; would any self repecting Irishman want to have his history told to him by a Welshman, or a Frenchman be told who he is by a German? Come on!If you are white, and you've read this far you may sincerely feel like in this day and time there's no need for something like this, we need to come together and not further seperate from each other. I feel we need to come together also. I really do. But one thing you have got to realize is that , while you may not see the need for it...it's not FOR you, you already have yours. So, of course YOU don't see the need. However, for the children it's designed to uplift, and educate. it is of paramount importance. | |
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| Black-focused (not black-only) schools
Posted: 5/20/2008 7:13:38 PM | Holy f-ing racism.
Fighting racism with racist policy will fail every time.
This isn't happening in the US with its' long history of racial strife but in Toronto. If you want an Afro-centric school build a private one. It is retarded to expect joe taxpayer to foot the bill for mom and pop not bothering to teacher their own kids their history. Or to wonder why and do something about junior packing a gun or hanging out with a bunch of dirtbag Crips.
Any student be they white, black, yellow, green, or purple is given the same tools and opportunity to succeed.
Equal opportunity does not mean equal outcome, artificially produced with racist policy.
Really we shouldn't have any publicly funded religious schools either. Religion is a matter for the church and the home not the government.
It's simply meant to teach black kids regular history, without the contributions of their ancestors being negated, minimalized,mis-interpreted,and maligned. It's to teach them that before they were the sons and daughter of slaves, they were sons and daughters of kings and queens that ruled the world long before any European nation did.
I call bull$hit. My ancestors did not make me anymore than they make some kid of african heritage. Ones own decisions determine whether or not you should study and try to better your place in society, float along and end in a dead end job or worse. As for "kings and queens".... then how did those kings and queens end up being sold as slaves by other african tribes? Nobility does not come from lineage it comes from within each individual, race is unimportant unless you yourself make it important. | |
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| Black-focused (not black-only) schools
Posted: 5/21/2008 5:19:55 AM | One of my kids was having a hard time getting inteested in History, she really hated that class and was doing poor in it. When she was learning about the war of 1812, I got an idea and decided to take her down to Niagara Falls for the week end. We toured the Queenston Heights battle Field, Laura Secords House , then I took her to a family members home , showed her a musket handed down in the family, her ancestor had used to fight in that war.
It was remarkable how all of a sudden, history became her favourite class and it has been her passion ever since. You, see, rather than it being just another boring class about things that meant nothing to her, it now became something real, something she could relate to . Give a child something they can relate to, feel for heaven sakes and their joy at learning will create a new curious individual.
Now, if my daughter had been taking Italian history for example, there is not a lot I could have done to inspire her for that. But her, with her Dads English/ Scot heritage and her Moms French heritage, well learning about her ancestors gave her that spark. Following vacation, we went to Quebec, where she became enthralled with her part French heritage.
Why shouldnt Blacks have that oppurtunity as well? Give a child doing poor in school, something he / she can relate to, get passionate about and we will have a raving sucess story some where in the future. Teach them , that most slaves did come from "royal" stock. The Slave Traders picked the brightest and best to bring to America , the cream of the crop so to speak . Whats wrong with giving a child, well deserved pride in their heritage , giving them possibly a spark that will become a passion during their life?
Its a Black focussed school, has to follow Provincial Governmnet guide lines, and no racism or learning to hate whits and others will be tolerated or be part of the curriculim. Learning to love themselves will be! Nothing wrong with that at all !
If one child, learns to love and respect themselves, grow to be another Chris Darden , Colin powell or Barack Obama ( lol even though I am conservative in most things), well it will have been worth while.
Here in Canada we have a proud Black heritage, yet no one knows about it. Very few know of the Under Ground Rail way and the contributions made by those that came here, usually while fighting very real racism. Just recently, I read an article of one family who came here via that. They started the first taxi business in Toronto and their roots have spread through out this great Country. Its time that the contribution made by ancestors of Black Canadians be taught, especially to those who might be suffeing from low self esteem .
Like I said before, if it helps one child suceed, become a better person it is worth every effort. Teaching someone their personal ancestrors history, to appreciate their heritage does not create racists!
Ignoring them does. | |
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